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someone like paul ryan, or scott walker. we are hearing from donald trump and others. donald trump over the weekend saying that the system is rigged. where does this put the leadership, including reince priebus? >> this comes at a very sensitive moment because donald thesehas been leveling activations against reince priebus and his allies that somehow the system is rigged against him. he says it will take power away from those who would oversee the convention and give it more to the grassroots. the way this rule would work is, individual delegates will be given more power to determine how proceedings would go on the floor. a time that a delicate wants to object, they have to be recognized by the presiding chair. ,he person overseeing this which is a role that will be filled by paul ryan will have less power. usually the presiding officer is able to dictate how things go. you have toound recognize each and every delegate should they have an objection. >> the next rules committee will be made up of delegates attending the convention and weak leader in cleveland. explain

paul ryan. scott walker suggested as such. state delegates, mitt romney is another one whose strategy appears to have a contested convention. if it comes down there and there's an attempt to leapfrog over the people with more delegates, more votes, won more states and give them the nomination, won't the people that voted and caucused for trump and cruz be angry? >> well, it is more than that. the romney people in their hubris and desire to be all-controlling adopted a set of rules that make it really, really hard for anybody else to get in the game and if you look at the actual rules and anybody who wants to can go to the republican national committee so the whole country can see it. if you go look at it, you find out it says you have to have earned -- not necessarily a win. earned the majority of eight states so florida, for example, theoretically, although they're pledged to trump, could decide they're going to vote to put kasich in nomination. i'll let you decide how likely that is. but if you're not one of the people nomin

paul ryan. scott walker suggested as such. state delegates, mitt romney is another one whose strategy appears to have a contested convention. if it comes down there and there's an attempt to leapfrog over the people with more delegates, more votes, won more states and give them the nomination, won't the people that voted and caucused for trump and cruz be angry? >> well, it is more than that. the romney people in their hubris and desire to be all-controlling adopted a set of rules that make it really, really hard for anybody else to get in the game and if you look at the actual rules and anybody who wants to can go to the republican national committee so the whole country can see it. if you go look at it, you find out it says you have to have earned -- not necessarily a win. earned the majority of eight states so florida, for example, theoretically, although they're pledged to trump, could decide they're going to vote to put kasich in nomination. i'll let you decide how likely that is. but if you're not one of the people nomin

paul ryan, scott walker, they are understated are conservatives. i mean, temperamentally. the guys are just understated. very midwest. and not at all like donald trump. >> and there's also, i think, you know, i think you can't remove it from the context of the walker wars here. you've got a situation in which this has been the site of the most sort of brutal iterative battles of our time, with walker facing re-election three out of four years, a movement that's massively mobilized. these are folks that are used to being mobilized. they've been mobilizing essentially nonstop for five years. it's a much easier machine to sort of switch on than the machine has been in other states, where you don't have that same kind of capacity at the ready. >> you know, you're right, chris. i've been saying for some time, there really aren't that many political machines left in america, other than, say, harry reid knows how to turnout union members in nevada. i usually give every advantage of a close race in nevada to harry reid and his union, his union machine. but you're exactly right. wh

walker -- i'm sorry, paul ryan and scott walker has talked about paul ryan. then you got john kasich's whole strategy and karl rove has weighed in. a lot of the quote, establishment people, are very clear that they don't want either one of these guys. trump or cruz. if they -- if the establishment tries behind the scenes to disenfranchise the voters who went to these contests and went to caucuses and pulled the lever for these candidates, what is the swrout cooutcome of that go? >> the end of the republican party. period. that's what that would mean. and this is the message that i've been trying to get across to these so-called establishment people. monica has been so sweet and political correct, i'm going to boil it down to this. they hate donald trump. they just dislike ted cruz. that's what it boils down to. and their hate for donald trump is so strong they're willing to -- >> all right. >> -- destroy the republican party. >> if, if one of the two has a lead in delegates, states won, and votes, and they bypass that person but they didn't get to 1,237, how

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scott walker and paul ryan -- >> he's not going after paul ryan but really after scott walker. does that alienate potentiam voters tomorrow because scott walker presumably still has some support among republicans. >> i would assume it's not helpful. >> you haven't endorsed anyone. >> i'm staying out of it. >> why not tell the people of your home state of was wis, i think "x" is better than "y." >> i have to have a real comfort level. i did endorse mitt romney before the last primary. and the reason i did, when i met with mitt prior to the primary he expected to be a one-term president because heect anded to fix these problems. knew it wouldn't be popular or fun. when he picked paul ryan as his running mate. i confirmed my choice. i would never do it just strategically. i'd have to have full confidence i've got no questions about the person. >> you don't have full confidence in any of these guys yet. >> i've got concerns. i don't have that comfort level. >> what are your concerns about trump? >> well, for example, as chairman of the homeland security committee, we've held 14 hea

walker and to a lesser extent paul ryan. >> yeah, i think this is the home of reince priebus, scott walker and paul ryan. i think his attacks on the republican establishment don't resonate as much here with republican voters because it's kind of a cohesive republican party kind of at war with democrats for many, many years now. it's a conservative republican electorate. you know, an activist i know kind of likened it to trump case, hitting a cheddar wall in wisconsin when you look at the conservative activists, conservative media, political establishment, governor, all these forces and a republican electorate particularly in southeastern wisconsin where he's deeply unpopular and where republican primaries are decided. >> i like that, the cheddar wall. meanwhile, sean duffy, you're from northwestern wisconsin and you said earlier this week that you believe there are a lot of quiet trump supporters in your district and you have the largest district in the state. did you see anything this week or do you think they saw anything this week that would shake that support? >> yes, i have a t

scott walker's endorsed ted cruz, paul ryan hasn't endorsed anybody. but clearly those two guys, their brand of politics has been really big time conservative issues. >> and they've won. >>and nd they've won. happy about in wisconsin. >> they do. so when they look at that brand of politics, that works better than what the trump brand of po wlitics is right now. >> all right, david, we've been here i want to say four weeks s ago. you were convinced trump wasn't going to get the nomination. two weeks ago you wanted to say you were convinced, but you weren't comfortable saying that anymore. where are you today? >> morally defeated. >> something's changed though. >> yeah, something has changed. l these people keep waving from when is he going to turn from a philosopher king, abraham liodncoln, he's donald trump. you know, it's all aggression, it's all ignorance all the time. but i think he's going to have a bad week this week. i think he'll probably rally in new york and it will all come down to like the california -- the peop in the republican party are n

scott walker's endorsed ted cruz, paul ryan hasn't endorsed anybody. but clearly those two guys, their brand of politics has been really big time conservative issues. >> and they've won. >> and they've won. >> so they have something to be happy about in wisconsin. >> they do. so when they look at that brand of politics, that works better than what the trump brand of politics is right now. >> all right, david, we've been here i want to say four weeks ago. you were convinced trump wasn't going to get the nomination. two weeks ago you wanted to say you were convinced, but you weren't comfortable saying that anymore. where are you today? >> morally defeated. >> something's changed though. >> yeah, something has changed. all these people keep waving from when is he going to turn from a philosopher king, abraham lincoln, he's donald trump. you know, it's all aggression, it's all ignorance all the time. but i think he's going to have a bad week this week. i think he'll probably rally in new york and it will all come down to like the california -- the people i

and also among house republicans, paul ryan and scott walker are pretty popular and both men endorsed ted cruz. that cheddar wall could be a very real thing for donald trump. >> how are the delegates doled out? >> it's a weird hybrid in wisconsin. they have 42 republican delegates. half of them go to the overall winner and the other half goes to the winners in each congressional district. there are eight districts. it's not one big winner take all. a candidate could win one district and get three delegates. it could be split up if in wisconsin. >> the trump and clint win in, could it be a turning point? >> potentially, but not necessarily. the next primary is new york with a big state that has lots of delegates and clinton and trump are polling way ahead there, double digit leads. they would probably recover after a wisconsin loss but new yorkers don't vote until april 19th. we all know that is plenty of time for lots of surprises. >> thanks a lot, melissa. >>> 6:52. big day for california workers who earn minimum wage. find out what's about to happen. >>> more people than ever are br

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someone like paul ryan, scott walker. >> host: if they change the rules, right now we are in from donald trump and others, donald trump say the system is rigged your point is this for the republican national committee leadership including chairman ryan's previous? >> caller: this comes at a sensitive moment because donald trump has been leveling these accusations against rnc that some of the system is rigged against them in some a insider trying to ensure that he doesn't win the nomination. what this will do it is particularly sensitive for this reason. the people are supporting this rule are saying it would add a degree of transparency to the process, take power away from insiders who are going to oversee this convention and give it more to the grassroots side of things. specifically the way this rule will work as it would say look, if individual delegates will be given more power to determine how proceedings go on the floor. so anytime a delegate wants to object, they have to be recognized by the presiding chair. what would happen is the presiding chair, the person overseeing this whic

these are the paul ryan, scott walker votes. >> let's play a hypothetical here. let's say that trump does go on to win a contested convention in july. he's the gop nominee. wisconsin, a pivotal state in the general election. are you concerned at all that you and your conservative talk radio friends perhaps will have injured him irreparably in a general election? >> he has zero chance of winning a general election and in wisconsin. absolutely none. he will be annihilated which is one of the reasons why i have been never trump. we don't need to as a conservative and republican, you don't need a 1960 style blowout. which i think donald trump would experience here. >> i spent a lot of time in ohio and other states. the demographics in wisconsin should appeal to a guy like trump based on other states. why has that not happen in the badg badger state? >> we value civility, decent cd. voter turnout. they're locked in, they're paying attention. when donald trump brings his clown car, they're not going to confuse that with an actual conservative. we're not going to buy a

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and he barbed paul ryan and governor scott walker in wisconsin. those are the state's two most popular republicans. so last night i asked conservative radio talk show host dan oh donald about that. here's what he said. >> powell ryan, i know, has taken some heat from the right and also from the left since he became ways and means chairman and then of course speaker. here in wisconsin he is very popular. and i thought it was a huge mistake to almost immediately -- and then to add insult to injury, to say it on a radio station in illinois. you know, it's almost like waving a chicago bears flag in packers country. >> what do you think, chicago bears flag. how bad a mistake twhauz? >> don't wave chicago bears flags here. yeah, you know, he really went after governor scott walker pretty brutally, mocking his motorcycle outfits, talking about the state's record. he wasn't as harsh on paul ryan, i didn't think, but he has been going after the republican establishment here, too, and we have rience from wisconsin and while governor walker's ratings have dr

we are all wondering does this really have an impact on the race, scott? scott: it does, michelle. there were a lot of people out there who are not thrilled with the current slate of candidates and they believed perhaps paul ryan was going to be the knight in shining armor to come to the rescue at the last moment and they would then put on stage at the convention in cleveland and say here is our guy. there would be brokered deals behind close would be the nominee. it's now appearing less and less likely. you can't rule anything out. critics will say look, he also said he didn't want to be speaker of the house and then that is what happened. so you never never rule it out especially in a town like this. but at the moment it looks like the three republican candidates are the three the final options. as a result, that means the voters have to get it out of their mind, this paul ryan factor temporarily. michelle: scott, let's talk about the voters. what are we expecting in terms of voter turn-out since the two front-runners in this contest for president seem to have a lot of people who

when you saw donald trump attacking paul ryan and attacking scott walker and getting a huge response, you really saw something about the crackup -- similar to the crackup van jones is describing on the democratic side where we actually have a candidate who represents the progressive end of the spectrum and speaking to people who have been heard b by major parties. tapping into working-class republican voters who really ofe not been beneficiaries republican policies and are really noticing an angry. yes, the racism, the white nationalist groups that came in to campaign for trump are absolutely part of that package, but there is also a rebellion against people like paul ryan who had supported corporate trade deals in janesville, which is a rockville area, has seen the gm plant leave which he blamed on obama, although it happened before obama was in office, has really hurt his own constituents and thanks to redistricting has been able to hold onto his seat, even though he loses his hometown of janesville over and over. for paul ryan to be the alternative, that is a program corporate -- p

he was swept into office with scott walker and paul ryan and everything that was going on in 2010. i think he's very well regarded. the position he's been taking that everything is just fine and dandy, it's a pretty interesting situation right now. yeah, you've read in politico a lot of people in wisconsin, republicans are just trying to get to that convention with trump not having enough debt gaits. if you have cruz and kasich, all not having enough delegates then you have three guys to have the stain and odor of not having one. a fresh face might be the one person that can bring everybody together. if you hand it to cruz and trump had the most delegates then that splits the party right in half. a fresh face could kind of be kind of -- could bring everybody together as much as possible. >> i don't know how that brings everybody together. i don't know how fresh face is going to just take votes from ted cruz and donald trump. good luck with that. i don't see that playing itself out the way people would like to draw it up. you have three individuals that have gone to this convention,

scott walke, paul ryan, and a variety of others. the main dynamic here is you have a very motivated, very locked in conservative electorate that has been through a lot of fights before. zsaw thats the buz donald trump is running into, not so much the establishment, per se. >> what do you think of it or governor walker used your program to introduce senator ted cruz? charlie sykes: i have known governor walker since he was, before he was in the state legislature. we go they whack. and i think that scott walker and other conservatives in wisconsin have a very close relationship to talk radio. talk radio has been the way they have been able to go around the mainstream media, the way they have been able to build support in this state, the way i wish they had been able to inseminate their ideas. given my relationship with walker, it was not all that surprising. >> donald trump phoned into your program on monday and we will hear an excerpt in a moment. but how did this come about? charlie sykes: that was surprising. that i did not see com

he discussed the state of the race with scott pelley. paul ryan said minutes before the interview he will not be a nominee for president. what is your reaction to that? >> he would be, look if i am president here, paul ryan and i will work very favorably together. he is an idea guy. i'm an idea guy. and i look forward to working with him to actually accomplish things. >> the irony is you are the most likely republican to win in november and the least likely to be nominated. >> how do you make the argument that. we have to get to the convention. when you get to the convention it is going to be a wide-open affair. >> how do you make the argument in america that the guy who gets the most votes doesn't win? >> we had ten contested conventions. ten. of the ten, only three times did the front-runner, was the front-runner selected. seven times it was somebody other than the front-runner. >> but you are number three. i can understand an argument. >> so was lincoln. >> i'm not lincoln. >> so was lincoln. >> this ain't 1860 either a uh >> that's r

can be the nominee. >> what's your reaction to scott kluge? >> well, i think there's some truth to what he's saying about the surge in support for cruz being less about cruz than just the stop trump effort. and that's what i feel like has been the problem all along with the effort to slow trump's momentum, because there hasn't been an alternative offered that people have been really excited about. so, yes, ted cruz may be doing well in wisconsin. i think he will win wisconsin, but i don't think that you're really seeing the establishment coalescing around him the way that he had probably hoped. >> okay. let's take a look at this "the new york times" headline -- "gop fears trump as zombie candidate, damaged but unstoppable." and we'll go further in here and look at what supporter newt gingrich told "the new york times" -- "none of the mistakes have been forced and nobody forced him to react negatively," mr. gingrich said. "it's almost as though he is so full of himself that he can't slow down and recognize that being president of the united sta

i do not under estimate the scott walker, paul ryan machine. they beat back two recalls. they beat back a state senate recall. >> ben were being -- i won't say dismissive but they were, i think, personally they were under estimating the governor's operation in his own state there. what do you think? >> well, but don't under estimate donald trump. i spoke to him sunday to wish him happy easter. he told me no one will out campaign him in wisconsin. he's doing two stops. he was criticized for going to paul ryan's hometown but lou, he's going to where the republicans are. he's appearing in the two media markets where most of the republican vote is. it's only common sense. so i wouldn't count trump out in wisconsin by a long shot. >> i'm not counting him out at all. >> very competitive. >> who is -- okay. that's it. competitive and we'll find out what is most affected at garnering those votes. you're feeling good. others coming into the campaign or is he standing pat? >> no, i think the convention operation is very different and specific animal. and i think it was an excellent

you found some people who say i think it should be paul ryan, others say maybe scott walker. in general, it's a sense that the people backing cruz are, i think, less excited about cruz than they are about stopping trump. the weird thing is, where i see excitement is often, oddly, at a lot of kasich events. a lot of people go to kasich events who seem quite genuine. >> scot ross, let's gawk about the party in general to stop trump sense that john talked about. there's an nbc news story that talks about the koch brothers focusing on down ballot races and with trump ahead, ignoring the presidential race. it you see that kind of big money maybe moving down ballot if trump becomes the inevitable nominee? >> yeah, in wisconsin, we have a u.s. senate race where tea party incumbent ron johnson is being challenged by former senator russ feingold. so yeah, there's certainly a concern, i'm guessing, amongst democrats. if trump is the nominee, and the >> i love it. scot ross bringing back the brady bunch and giving us starsky and hutch with the jacket. i love it. scot ross, thank you, mi