thank you very much, joan walsh. i try to summarize opinion here. >> thank you. >> a bit of disputation. our coverage will continue after this. and this is "hardball." >>> i'm chris matthews. our continuing coverage of the protests in new mexico tonight. pretty much over. donald trump is now the projected winner. the state of washington republican primary tonight. but his victory was overshadowed by the democrat stragss that happened outside of his rally in albuquerque. protesters yelled shut it down and throwing rocks and bottles at offers. officers dressed in riot gear tried to contain the crowd outside. as we've been reporting, no injuries of officers yet. but they have used smoke grenades. inside the convention, to where trump was speaking to about 8,000 supporters, security officials escorted out protesters that tried to disrupt trump's message. when we return, we will join the rachel maddow show, already in progress. your can have the one-note wonders. the hacks. the gutsy, the grown-ups, the honest. those with

we're joined by joan walsh and our national political reporter for bloomberg politics. let's start with you joan. we've been watching the poll that came out from nbc news and wall street journal. it's showing it's tightening trump between clinton, but bernie sanders still maintaining a strong double digit lead. i want to play a little bit of what was said here by hillary clinton on "meet the press" and i'll get your reaction. >> great. >> i don't think he's had a single negative ad ever run against him. that's fine. we know what we're going into and we understand what it's going to take to win in the fall. finally, i would say that polls this far out mean nothing. they certainly mean nothing to me, and i think if people go back and look they really mean nothing in terms of analyzing what's going to happen in the fall. >> you think this lead for sanders is an illusion, a little bit? >> i'll let others speak to that. i think i'm in a much stronger position. >> we have others. joan walsh. there hasn't necessarily been a negative attack against him. >> no, there hasn't. she

joan walsh and joey reed and a man who spent a lot of time in louisville. if hillary clinton wins tonight. it is a morale boost. >> i think it is a big win. this is not clinton country. this profile of the state is more of a sanders state. 8% african-american. not the kind of place she wins. so she clearly put resources into it. she clearly cared. also, this uncommitted number is so fascinating and it reminds me of the voters, the sanders voters in west virginia last week who said they would vote for trump in the general election. there is this disaffected republican group but you gave them an actual option that was nonsanders and they went for that option. so that is -- >> it is a leading indicator as you say. howard, you know this place pretty well working for the louisville journal. how about it? >> hillary needed this win to change the sense inside of the party that she was somehow a stagnant candidate. she put a ton of effort into this. she made 15, 20 appearances in kentucky over the last few weeks. they wanted to win to break the chain, also to be th

back with me, joan walsh, fer and in and rick tyler. rick, i'm going to go to you first. this idea that the system, meaning the congress, would just constrain donald trump and there's nothing to worry about, when i heard that i thought about a clip from grover norquist and something he said back in 2012 and he was talking about what conservatives want and need as a president. take a listen to this. it's a little long but i want to get your response on the other side. >> we just need a president to sign this stuff. we don't need someone to think it up or design it. we have a house and a senate. the leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the house and the senate, so focus on electing the most conservative republican who can win in each house seat and the most conservative republican who can win in each senate seat and then pick a republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the united states. >> now, rick, that was said by club for growth founder grover norquist in february of 2012, ahe

with me on the set, joan walsh, joy reid. i want you to give your summation of this and try to do it in a way that captures, touches all the bases. >> yeah, i think we're looking at, as you said, a long, hot summer. wherever donald trump goes, these are the kinds of protests that are going to follow him. he eggs them on. i think that he sees this as beneficial to him. it helps him be him. it allows him to be the carnival barker and get out there and humiliate -- >> making your point, the person from the top of the team put out they like basically to mock the people there. >> i see a lot of people expressing their humanity in a face of a candidate who's really built his candidacy on denouncing their humanity. yeah, there are a few people out there not actually out there to protest but at the end of the day, they accomplished their goal, got on tv and got their issues aired. >> i thought the three people we heard from were great. >> they have grievances. it's not like it's mindless or they want violence. they're speaking out ag

let me bring in joan walsh, msnbc political analyst, and a supporter of hillary clinton's campaign. joan, let's go back to the math before we started listening to senator sanders. he talks about the superdelegates. as chris jansing pointed out, as we've shown on "meet the press" and all of the other stations, the math is 2345not there at th point. >> the math is not there. even if he got what he wanted and the superdelegates in the states he won gave him their support, if he got that, he would still be way behind hillary clinton in superdelegate support and in pledged delegate support. she's won the most number of states, she's won open primaries, closed primaries. it's getting -- i was a little bit perplexed yesterday when i saw that he was having a press conference and kind of reverting to that we do have a path forward and we're going to appeal to the superdelegates. that's not what he seemed to be saying last week so i'm not quite sure what's happening with the campaign. >> it's already been noted that donald trump has taken a number of comments that were repeated by -- that wer

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we're back with joan walsh, jamil smith and is joy reid. joy, you've been away for a bit. that's an interesting crowd. trump obviously has his fans there. but here we are in albuquerque, new mexico, which might be an indicator that people don't agree with him. >> yeah. and trump -- >> so he knew what i was doing. >> absolutely. and trump does remind me in a lot of ways of george wallace who took a rally like that into madison square garden, into the blue state of new york and had a iraqus rally and some of the video you see is him throwing black protests out and the only four letter word that they don't know is s-a-o-p. >> he was doing that or wallace was doing it? >> wallace was doing it. ette taunting the protesters, he was threatening them saying if any hippie he lays down in front of his car, it will be the last car they lay down in front of. he used humor and ridicule to get his crowds going and the crowds would go crazy as he was taunting the protesters. >> and something that that young woman said who was so wonderful who spoke to hallie a little while ago talking ab

bass i will smik he will, director of new york state democratic party, political analyst joan walsh, national affairs correspondent, michael brennan doherty. the time machine. hot tub time machine. clinton wars edition. i am not sure where to start with this, let me say this. suggesting, first of all, start with this. he has a habit, trump, of anything raised to him, anything. >> any conspiracy theory. >> doesn't matter. i like to picture his e-mail inbox, all subject forward forward forward, benghazi sex scandal, something, any conspiracy theory, no matter how ridiculous it is. >> he likes to get the audience. it is a crowd source campaign, he is throwing stuff back out there. so far with the republican primary it's worked. i just think that bringing vince foster into the context of the general election is ridiculous and it is going to back fire. >> i'm sorry, and this is a guy put it and raised specter that ted cruz's father had a hand in the kennedy assassination. >> on election day in indiana, which he later was like i don't know, it was just out there. >> there are no holds barr

walsh for "the nation," writing in support of hillary clinton. here's my question. first of all, start with the platform thing. it looks promising if you are a sanders supporter thinking about what does this come to if sanders doesn't get the nom naig, this looks promising. some of the names are people that i think lefty activists really love. for instance, bill mcginn bon who is one of the most important environmental actors in the world. cornell west, a controversial figure in many ways but beloved by many. james zogby, clear on his politics respect to palestinian self-dignity and human rights. what do you think of this? >> i think it's what you should expect when bernie sanders has run the campaign he's run. i don't think a lot of people thought they would be at this position when he started his campaign. and i think that it's the logical outgrowth of a campaign that's probably in some ways surprised even bernie sanders about how successful it's been. and i think the pushback, if there is any pushback, this idea he should end his campaign or h

walsh. sorry if i got the name wrong. i'm terrible with these things. what do you make of the interview? mike murphy saying, not too late to get a third-party candidate, but he's conceding, the candidate would be there to spoil it for trump and allow republicans who don't like trump another option. >> the authoritative history of the stop trump movement should be called profiles in timidity. they waited so long. 90% of republicans had yet to make an endorsement at all levels. if present trends continue, they'll field a third-party candidate during the trump inauguration. at some point, we saw rationalizations, we saw, you know, empty protests. but they haven't really -- they didn't fight him on the merits when they could. they sat on the sidelines and now they are talking about other reality tv stars. >> i saw you listening to mike murphy there, shaking your head a little bit. >> this is the year of the third-party candidate. let's face it. between bernie sanders and donald trump, both of th