. >> what would he have thought of afghanistan or iraq quick. >> with the iraq the first time and was working at the pentagon there was kuwait and we successfully pushed salaam saddam hussein out of kuwait. i used to get calls at that time catbird very persistent of when he became convinced of something to call anyone and everyone at all levels to keep pushing his point of view. and he thought at that time that the united states should have pursued saddam hussein and to bring about change by enabling iraqis by helping them not only with arms the firepower effectively employed. and he would call me with the andersen that they are blowing it. that was uh combination of u.s. airpower to solve of problem in the enduring way. so let me if icu -- advise you. but the chairmen of colin powell that what they have suffered with the morale of the armed forces, they have done a great achievement and with so law-enforcement if you tell them then they will not be of your prescription of your ideas. so i will never tell them anything but what i have told u.s. an opportunity by stopping where they ha

the iraq war. >> now, my opponent was for the war in iraq. he says he wasn't. you can go back and look at the record. he supported it. he told howard stern he supported it. so he supported it before it happened. he supported it as it was happening. and he is on record as supporting it after it happened. i have taken responsibility for my decision. >> let me go to another veteran -- >> he refuses to take responsibility for his surmt. >> let me go to another question -- >> that is a judgment issue. >> and here is donald trump's response to that. >> i happened to hear hillary clinton say that i was not against the war in iraq. i was totally against the war in iraq. you can look at "esquire" magazine from '04. you can look at before that. and i was against the war in iraq because i said it's going to totally destabilize the middle east, which it has. it has absolutely been a disastrous war. and by the way, perhaps almost as bad was the way barack obama got out. that was a disaster. >> to the crucial future policy question facing the next commande

the followup from the iraq war. look at the republican party today. >> i'm not disagreeing. >> more isolation today. >> i'm not disagreeing with that but if you accuse bush of lying when he was telling what everyone believed -- >> let me ask you this then, who lied? is it bad intelligence? somebody got us into this and somebody convinced the united states congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent in iraq, which is why so many democrats and republican voted for this war. >> i think the original liar is saddam hussein who discovered he had more. later, it seems he was lying that he had more than heeally did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the iranians. the fact is every intelligence service in the world, not just the americans, the british, the germans, the french, all believe he had weapons of mass destruction. >> are you -- do you -- are you now concerned that that especially, we were wrong and if you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now, that's one of the reason

and he cites the fact that we left iraq and because we left iraq, what used to be al-qaeda in iraq morphed into isis. and there had been more american troops remaining in iraq when we left, even though the government did not want them. we would have seen a different situation. >> i'm not partisan. will not imhent on a particular candidate's statements. i will comment on the facts. and the facts are that the real cause of the rise of isis was the alienation of the sunni arab community in iraq, which again created this opportunity for the islamic state to get support within the sunni arab. >> rose: by maliki. >> this is by maliki, claimed his shia base. >> rose: so the sunnies got-- did they allowed sort of the old al-qaeda in iraq to. >> that is to some degree. there is another element, though, and that is that the prime minister also prevented us from continuing to enable his special operations command and counterterrorism forces to continue to keep the islamic state down, to keep it defeated on its stomach, if you will. and that also was prevented. he made an agreement to that affect at o

down about our troops in iraq. up next, i'll speak with the former undersecretary of the navy. he's an adviser to clinton's campaign on why clinton feels that option is off the table for good. >>> plus the current syrian humanitarian crisis in aleppo will be inherited by the next commander-in-chief. did presidential nominee gary johnson just sink his campaign when confront ted about syria o "morning joe." he's seeking a mulligan after asking the table what is aleppo. that's the subject of our pulse question. gary johnson asking what is aleppo. are you surprised by his lack of knowledge on the syrian refugee crisis? so far the results, 61% say yes, 39% no. you can tell the pulse is fluid. check it out for yourself. cast your vote. we're back after this. let's feed him to the sharks! squuuuack, let's feed him to the sharks! yay! and take all of his gold! and take all of his gold! ya! and hide it from the cre ya...? squuack, they're all morons anyway! i never said that. they all smell bad too. no! you all smell wonder

she mentioned the injustice in iraq. all kinds of injustice in iraq against all kinds of factions, muslims and others and it's important and natural that she stresses upon the crimes committed against the group she belongs to. thousands of years i would like to state that the council of ministers has mentioned the faction with fairness and spoke about it on the 15th of march 2015 and adopted resolution regarding the extermination of other minorities that the message of the foreign minister of iraq anywhere in the world mentions them and the crimes committed against the women and the children everywhere and once again i'd like to salute her and now i wanted to make the comments. >>. >> the next speaker has been in the front lines in the fight against impunity and bringing perpetrators to justice. she is also the legal council. >> thank you and thank you for inviting me to participate at this event. two summers ago isis, the richest and brutal terror organization in the world began it's campaign to start within islamic cal

free iraq will set a example. a free iraq will secure israel, . free iraq will enforce a free iraq is essential for the security of this country. host: 90 seconds. senator kerry: my message to the troops is also thank you for what they're doing but help is on the way. i believe those troops deserve better than what they are getting today. it's interesting when i was in a rope line coming out here from wisconsin, a couple of returneys were back. and looked at me and said we need you. you've got to help us over there. there is a better way to do this. the president's father did not go into iraq beyond basra and the reason he didn't say and he wrote in his book is because there was no viable exit strategy and said our troops would be occupy years in a bitterly hostile land. that's where we find ourselves. there is a sense of american occupation. the only building that was guarded was the oil ministry. we didn't guard the nuclear facilities or the fourn office where you might have found weapons of mass destruction. we didn't guard the borders. almost

and he cites the fact that we left iraq, and because we left iraq what used to be al qaeda in iraq morphed into isis. and there have been more american troops remaining in iraq when the left, even of the government did not want them, we would have seen a different situation. nonpartisan. i am not i will not comment on a particular candidate statement. i will come in on the fact. of the real rise of isis is the alienation of the sunni arab community in iraq, which again created this opportunity for the islamic state to get support within the sunni arab -- this is by malaki. i would have liked that debate -- charlie: store the old al qaeda in iraq -- gen. petraeus: to some degree. there is another element though, which is in the prime minister also prevented us from continuing to enable his special operation command and counterterrorism forces to continue to keep the islamic state down to keep it defeated,, on its stomach if you will. and that is also prevented. he made an agreement to that effect in one point in time, and it was never operationalized. now, i would like to have seen 10,000 t

iraq from saddam. and that the iraqis would work things out for themselves. then on may 1, on the flight deck of the abraham lincoln, busch unilaterally changed direction. instead. instead of liberators, coalitioc forces would become occupiers. oc was downhill from there. brimmer was appointed to head the occupation. the iraq he army was disbanded, most government offices were close. remer reported directly to the white house not the defense department or the state department. coalition forces in many respects became the enemy. bush bared so responsibility of that decision. if i may, let me say word or two about the situation of the abu ghraib prison. and the atrocities that were committed. what we did not know at the time and maybe was that the military police on duty in the prison were not acting on their own, they were not simply hillbillies who -- they have been urged by the cia and military intelligence to abuse the prisoners before they were be an integral gated to set them up to confess in the i

against the war with iraq. you can look at esquire magazine from '04. >> the to which a lot of people pointed out that the iraq war started in 2003, not 2004 and he had a different position. joining me now, cohost of the five, nina perino, karl hig any, a form s.e.a.l. great to see you all. leapt's start with the military vets on this. it's just -- i mean trump is on record in 2003 saying maybe he would be behind it. >> he said yes, i guess so. >> he like to ignore that but it happened. >> many other accounts where he said i'm not for the war in iraq. >> later in '04. but no '03 when he went into iraq. >> but the journalist howard stern -- >> mock him if you like. he got it. >> i wouldn't say that was committing troops to the war. >> the reason he's against it now is because it differentiated him from the other candidates. every time he does an interview, i never know what he's going to say. when it's politically correct for him to be against the iraq war, he's against the war. but he was for it in the beginnin

bush, who went to war in iraq in 2003 and handed iraq off to barack obama. at the time the book came out in 2008 we didn't know who would be the next president, but we did express the hope that it would be the last handoff, which it's not. barack obama will be handing off this problem to his successor. do you -- does it surprise you that there is yet another handoff? and of course one of the criticisms of president obama is that by not maintaining more of a force earlier, by withdrawing too quickly, he led, you know, an opportunity for isis to emerge in iraq and then syria. so what is your response to that? and also, just what's your thought on how long iraq is going to be such a feature of american foreign policy, as it's been now since 1990? derek: well, first, you're quite right. we are approaching the fourth iraq handoff. and i think it's important for the students in the room to have that perspective, that iraq is a country that the united states has been militarily entangled with for over a quarter century, from the first gulf war to the no-fly zones w

in that interview i was against the iraq war. it's established in the affirmative of invasion. >> i mean, such a throwaway comment. under the howard stern show that the future president of the united states is asserting his iraq policy in a tossed off comment, but that does give us a record that gives us audio showing that indeed trump felt that way at the time. it's not surprising he had a different viewpoint because the war had turned unpopular. so he was more or less following along with public opinion. so as kelly o'donnell just said, his view has expanded and changed over time. he was for it when it was popular and turned against it when it became less popular. comparing it against secretary clinton, it's a hard thing to do. at the time, she was a u.s. senator. she cast a vote to go ahead and invade that country. so casting a vote to invade is a definitive move than sort of tossing off a comment on howard stern. >> they were also work iing off intelligence that they thought was actionable at that time. that's where many peop

in iraq. before i began, let me make remarks and put the biograpy in context. when it came to foreign policy, george bush was the decider. after 9/11 he relished his role as commander and chief and everything became chain of command. bush was not a tool of cheney or rice or of the neo cons or anything else. he was the driving force whether it was cia renditions or nsa snooping or the war in iraq. these were all principle decisions made by the president and everyone in the administration fell into line. in that context, let niasia ellis a -- me say a word about the national security administration. the idea was to prevent the c concentration of power that happened during fdr and world war ii. it was modeled after the british cabinet and designed to bring the secretary of defense and secretary of state into a conference with the president on national security issues. truman used it that way, eisenhower used it that way and eisenhower met with leaders every week on thursday at 10 o'clock. and in

troops on the ground in iraq. and the president has already approved the deployment of several hundred more to help the iraqi army prepare to retake the city of mosul this year. in syria, there are 300 u.s. special operations forces on the ground and as of right now, the administration doesn't have any plans to scale down those troop numbers until obama leaves office. >> is clinton backing down on those comments today? >> reporter: no, in fact she's doubling down on them. she was asked this morning if she would stand by her plan even if the generals advised against it. >> i think putting a big contingent of american ground troops on the ground in iraq and syria would not be in the best interests in the fight against isis and other terrorist groups. >> reporter: we should point out while it's entirely possible that clinton may have meant to say the u.s. will never send combat forces on the ground, which is how the obama administration defines forces, that's a distinction that she has yet to make, sandra. >> garrett

troops to iraq. the number of u.s. troops in iraq has been rising steadily since june of 2014. the latest increase would bring troop levels up to around 5,000 troops in iraq alone. our senior international correspondent ben wedeman join us live from baghdad. ben what additional, what will these additional u.s. troops were doing and how soon could they be deployed? >> reporter: well, they could be deployed farrelly soon, wolf, and we understand from the prime minister's office here that they will be strictly involved with training and advising iraqi troops in the area around mosul. the point is to reinforce the american presence as iraq prepares for that offensive, but when it's going to happen, most people are working on the assumption it will be sometime in october, but a precise date is still not clear. at the moment, the iraqi forces are busy trying to clear some of the villages and towns around mosul, and the other day we went and met a woman who's been taking part in some of those battles. >> [ speaking in foreign language ]. >> reporter: this woman counts the times her ho

should have stolen oil from iraq. >> if we're going to get out, take the oil. if we would have taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis. it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. >> sparking outrage for his controversy tweet women serving alongside men. >> many people think that's absolutely correct. you have reported and the gentlemen can tell you, you have the report of rape and nobody gets prosecuted. there are no consequence. >> also drawing criticism, nbc news anchor matt lauer aggressively questioning clinton. >> i want to get to a lot of questions. >> i will talk quickly. >> and not fact checking trump's claims throughout the events. >> i was totally against the war in iraq, perhaps almost as bad was the way barack obama got out. that was a disaster. >> people talk about you and commander in chief and not just secretary clinton, but some of the republican opponents in the primary season and wonder about your temperament. >> and afterwards, both sides slammed the other over their performance. reaso rnc chair called out hillary clinton being angry. she h

are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. you know, i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> reporter: and declaring that the u.s. should have stolen oil from iraq. >> but if we're going to get out, take the oil. if we would have taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis. used to be to the victor belong the spoils. >> reporter: and sparking outrage for defending his controversial 2013 tweet that suggests sexual assault in the mu military is the result of women serving alongside men. >> it is a correct tweet. there are many people who think that's absolutely correct. you have reported and the gentlemen can tell you, you have the report of rape and nobody gets prosecuted. there are no consequence. >> reporter: also drawing criticism, nbc news anchor matt lauer being accused of aggressively questioning clinton. >> i want to get to a lot of questions. >> reporter: and not fact checking trump's claims throughout the event. >> i was totally against the war in iraq. perhaps almost as bad was

donald trump and iraq. last night at commander-in-chief forum, he said he was against the iraq war from before. this is a position he has been taking on the campaign trail. the only problem, before the war began, the only comments we can find show him supporting the invasion. so he is in cleveland today trying to address that question. here is what he said. >> iraq is one of the biggest difference fles this race. i opposed going in. and i did oppose it. despite the media saying, no, yes, no. i opposed going in. and i opposed the reckless way hillary clinton took us out. along with president obama. letting isis fill that big terrible void. but i was opposed to the war from the beginning. >> all right. katy tur is on the phone in cleveland. katy, he says over and over there, i was against the war from the very beginning. take us through what we know, what record exists about what donald trump had to say about the iraq war in the lead up to it and as it began. >> we don't have a record of donald trump saying h

he had zarqawi in iraq. when i say assad helped to create isis he did it by driving the sunnis into the desperation where isis is the only choice for them. these dictators brutalize their societies. they divide their societies after they collapse and eventually they collapse, there is nothing left to stabilize the thing or take its place. not every dictator is like that. [ coughing ] i was ambassador in tunisia when -- was dictator. when sutarto disappeared indonesians were able to run the country in a reasonable way. there was nothing reasonable left in iraq in syria, in libya. >> mostly saudi nationals that flew those planes into those towers. nobody from iraq. and there are a lot people that look and go, why was that our first action? yes we went into afghanistan but why didn't we ever sold saudi arabia accountable. you can make a case a lot more saudis were funding and fuelling these terrorist attacks. >> there is a big problem with the saudis propagating islam and i hope -- >> so they are harboring terr

so some guys said pulling out of iraq is a great thing. congressman, you know who came up with that time table for the withdrawal of all u.s. forces from iraq, sfliegt. >> sure, but. >> it was president bush -- >> it doesn't matter if it was him or obama. >> president bush came up with that time line, by the end of 2011 all u.s. troops should be out, and the iraq military spent hundreds of billions getting ready. they were supposed to be able to take charge and clearly they couldn't. >> and military advisories will say never set arbitrary timelines. no matter the timeline, we have hearings with the same generals that try to -- we hear their unadulterated point of you and president does not heed their advice in many situations. >> duncan hunter, thank you for joining us. coming up, brand new polls from critical battleground states. who is leading in pennsylvania, ohio, and florida right now? also right now, russian and iranian ships and planes harassing american forces. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so whe

every time she talks about the iraq war and iraq policy right now, i still think that she's stung a bit by her what she views now as misguided decision all those years ago to vote for the invasion in iraq. that always hangs over every sort of iraq answer she makes. but it is also part of her experience. that's what she is arguing donald trump simply does not have. she talks so much about how she was on the armed services committee in "the situation room" for the capture and killing of osama bin laden. all of that is to draw distinctions between what donald trump was doing at the time. >> she has asked about that as well, jeff zeleny. thank you so much. again, great question. >>> meantime, journalists, pundits, social media, lot of folks today ripping nbc "today" show host matt lauer over how he moderated that clinton/trump commander in chief forum. so now cnn is actually learning what's being said behind the scenes today at nbc. so let's go straight to brian stelter, our senior media correspondent, loe correspondent, host of "reliable sources," who is in the know. what are they saying?

on the issue of iraq, hillary clinton voted on iraq, she was a supporter of that war. she has a public record on that. fairly public record on libya. donald trump has a howard stern interview, iphone video on libya. there's a certain kind of asymmetry built into this in terms of how you even evaluate what donald trump's positions are when he's a real estate developer and reality show star? >> well, he's a real estate developer and a reality show host. he's not a representative of corporate america. any large corporation have assistants, vice presidents, all kinds of different people working on things. so you could perhaps say there's some analogy to how government would work. you'd have staff meetings, papers being written. but clearly that's not what goes on in trump world. there's himself, there's some family, there's some interest in making money on real estate deals, but basically it has nothing to do with corporate america. it has nothing to do with anything that the rest of us can really relate to. so we have a person who is just so fundamentally unqualified, it'

, iraq would look different. people would see the whole issue in a very different light. >> how many troops would be there? do you think because you've said in the past you thought this is more like a germany and korea situation, that we probably would need troops for 40 or 50 years. >> the issue isn't how many troops you have but how many americans are getting killed. by the end of the surge very few americans were getting killed. there is a great risk if north korea starts a war. the u.s. can be a stabilizing factor. it's important to understand and i agree the turn in public opinion on the united states is very unfortunate. i think it will bring us more trouble. we're in danger of learning all the wrong lessons from the past. the lesson that intervention is the only thing that's bad. i think we're seeing in syria the consequence of non-intervention. i think we see in libya the consequence of partial invention. >> is this why you're learning clinton over trump? >> i'm leaning against both of them. i find it inc

ground troops back in iraq. we will not send u.s. ground troops back in iraq. there are plenty of ground troops in iraq. it's not the combat mission it was before december 2011 but there is a lot of american troops there. 5,000 troops there now. what does she mean? >> what i took that to mean was that she was making a response to mr. trump's comment that he was going to go in and crush isis. in order to do that, he has implied in several speeches around the country is one of the things he'd do is do it with massive force. she clearly believe that is the ground function in that area should be done by our allies over there, using air power, u.s. intelligence and special operations forces. >> general kellogg, into a difference between the use of ground forces for isis? >> to start with, there are people here, infantrymen, we have 5,000 troops on the ground and they're in combat. anyone who says they're not, it's a foolish comment. those of us who have been shot at know that. when he talks about having a plan to defeat isis and he wants the plan brought to him with

there would be no ground troops used if iraq or syria. and she's gotten some criticism from people who say she's taking an important option off of the table here, anderson. she said that she would support american troops, special forces, doing reconnaissance assisting, indigenous or local forces and providing advisory roles which is the terminology currently used by the white house. some also thought that by not acknowledging that some special forces are currently in combat situations in iraq and syria, she was also, you know, sort of perpetuating this idea that there are no troops who are in harm's way. in fact, they are. some of them have actually died. dru donald trump hitting her on this saying she's telegraphing isis, she commented on donald trump not having a firm grasp of the facts when it comes to national security and the issues that were discussed last night. >> trump had an event earlier today. he also tried to address some of the things that were said in the forum last night. >> that's right. this is the one that really bother

troops in iraq when president obama took office. says the mission now is markedly different although acknowledged some special forces will carry out discrete missions in which they engage the enemy directly. >> james thank you. more on this with the panel as well. >> president obama is expected to extend the bombing campaign in libya for another month. according to three officials. tell fox news the order marks second 30-day extension since the air strikes began august first. at the time said the mission likely last weeks not months. africa command says as of monday marine corp. jets and have conducted 175 air strikes against isis in labor. >> secretary of state kerry is threatening, spokesman says told foreign minister ser gay lab rof that holds russia responsible for use of insendary bombs in urban area. made no reference to bombs in its statement. >>> in politics tonight donald trump is storming through the midwest in latest campaign push. trump was in illinois and iowa earlier today. and he is set to speak at rally in wisconsin

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"look at the war in iraq and the mess that we're in." it's right after the war started. >> the only problem, that was actually one year and five months after the war started. meanwhile, trump's running mate might pence talks to dana bash defending the candidate's charge that america's generals have been, "reduced to rubble." >> i think he was talking about the commander in chief reducing the influence of generals to rubble. >> you know who doesn't agree? hillary clinton. >> he trash talks about america's generals saying that they've been, quote, reduced to rubble. he said he would fire them all and hand pick his own generals because he knows so much about what it takes to be a general. >> let's get now to cnn's dana bash, mark preston and mr. david gergen. mark, i'm going to start with you because donald trump and hillary clinton aren't holding back attacking each other today. take a look at this. >> let me be clear. last night was yet another test and donald trump failed yet again. we saw more evidence that he is temperamentally unfit a

orla guerin, bbc news, northern iraq. katty: we are learning more about life under the so-called islamic state. a democratic congressman and iraq war veteran laid out a proposed strategy for u.s.-iraq strategy going forward. he joins me from capitol hill. thank you. one of the points you make in your strategy is that the u.s. should help defeat isis with a comprehensive military strategy for iraq and syria and eliminate political vacuums that terror groups for phil. how does that work? how does that look? >> it is complex. there are details. i spent an hour going through complex plans this afternoon. we have to understand what we .re driving for politically it is not enough to militarily defeat the islamic state. we are making great military progress, but we have to have a plan to maintain the peace. what led to the vacuum in the first place is that we left without it though and -- without a plan to maintain the peace. we cannot repeat that mistake. we have to understand the political goals we are trying to achieve, not j

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if you really look at the aftermath of iraq, iran is going to be taking over iraq. they've been doing it. and it's not a pretty picture. and i think you know, because you've been watching me i think for a long time, i've always said, shouldn't be there, but if we're going to get out, take the oil. if we would have taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis, because isis formed with the power and the wealth of that oil. how were we going to do that? >> you would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil. people don't know this about iraq, they have among the largest oil reserves in the world, in the entire world. we're the only ones, he go in, spend $3 trillion, lose thousands and thousands of lives, and matt, we get nothing. it used to be to the victor belong the spoils. there was no victor there, believe me. there was no victor. but i always said, take the oil. would have had if we took the oil is isis would not have been able to take oil and use that oil -- >> let me -- >> -- to fuel themselves. >> when we've met in the pa