eastern ukraine. now to evidence of a startling rise in gun violence the us, including in chicago, home to barack obama. killings in the city have reached a 20 year high. a deadly summer of violence brought this year's death toll to 500. most of the victims and their killers are young men. we spent a week in chicago and found a world where guns rule. in my neighbourhood, they start young, men. that is the edge frame that they are dying from guns. very young. we have to teach children how to defend themselves. it is like, what do you do? you would rather be caught with protection than without it.|j would rather be caught with protection than without it. i have never seen so many guns. protection than without it. i have never seen so many guns. like, we had so many guns. but i have never seen as many as now. had so many guns. but i have never seen as many as now. this is a wrapperfrom seen as many as now. this is a wrapper from the west side. now, the most violent part of chicago. he is a member of the

under fire on ukraine's frontline. tom burridge and his team meet one of the conflict‘s most volatile hotspots where the fragile ceasefire has collapsed. you can't make no mistakes, it cost you your life, literally. ian pannell reports from barack obama's former hometown and finds gun crime is out of control. and battle of the sexes. we meet the moroccan warrior women taking on and beating the berber men of north africa at their own game. the bbc went to extraordinary lengths this year to get a rare glimpse of china's determined expansion in the south china sea, one of the most contested areas anywhere in the world. beijing is building huge artificial islands on the spratly island chain, which the americans and others insist are illegal. the area is difficult to get to, but rupert wingfield—hayes flew in a small civilian aircraft into china's self—declared security zone 200 kilometres off the coast of the philippines. this is what he found. it's just before dawn on the philippine island of palawan. even at this h

as for the service men of ukraine's army, which were captured. from the military intelligence of ukraine, nobody tortured them. no one beat them up. they confessed and it is very easy to check whether they are actually officers of the ukrainian military on payroll. they give not just to the full context, they give the name of the units, the name and rank of their commanders. the tasks they were given, the contacts on the territory of russia and on the territory of crimea, they released all of that information. they revealed all that. and every piece of information corroborates the other. so this practice needs to be stopped. if they have this political will, it will be easier to resolve other political issues. getting back to journalists and film directors. no one has a desire to keep journalists, if they are really journalists. but what do we have to do if a film director, and that has been proven in court, was preparing to stage a terror act? should we release him to keep -- release him just because he is a tv director? keepd we release them, b

their activities in ukraine, their occupation of crimea and activities in that eastern part of ukraine, all have made it more challenging for nato to -- to meet the nato requirements for a session. i would like to see ukraine in nato. i would like to see us develop a path that we can get there. the same thing is true with georgia. i would like to see georgia in nato. recognizing that as long as they can continue that uncertainty -- that because of the border uncertainty issues, it's unlikely that georgia can make it to full participation in nato. so, we should counter that by showing a way that they can get both participation in nato. i very much want to go on a path to get there. that would require u.s. leadership, because we are more interested in that expansion than some of the european countries are. you need consensus for nato expansion. so, it will require u.s. leadership with our nato partners. kristen silverberg: ok. let's go over here. yes, right there. i would say dark suit, white shirt. [laughter] >> thank you. my question concerns alliances. you spoke about the importance o

military and investigated the ukraine attack. he told us some u.s. electric utilities have weaker security than ukraine, and the malicious software the hackers used has already been detected in the u.s. >> it's very concerning that these same actors using similar capabilities and trade-craft are, preparing and are getting access to these networks and getting access to portions of the power grid. >> reporter: in ukraine they, restarted the power in just hours. but an attack in the u.s. could leave people without electricity for days or even weeks, according to experting, because, ironically, scott, america's advanced, automated grid would be much hard tore fix. >> pelley: holly williams, thanks. today in mexico, families of yesterday's chain-reaction explosion at a market selling fireworks for christmas and new year's. at least 32 people were killed. 46 are in hospitals. investigators are searching for the cause. this was the third explosion in 11 years at that same market. in california, officials have ordered uber to take its self-driving cars off t

here defending country and playing with innocent people down by russia over ukraine. our own intelligence agency and 17 of them emphatically saying that russia attempted to influence our own election. this is very serious. russia cutoff the internet access and tried to hack computers any time they do. russia sees it as a slight. when president obama imposes these sanctions, to me this is the beginning saying we are not going to roll over anymore. we have to be able to say we will stand up to this. that's what the beginning happened yesterday when the executive order was there and we started talking about responding and not just allowing this to happen again. >> in terms of making a public display, they had an impact and something everybody is talking about. in terms of making a dent in any of russia's capabilities and if you are going to go after making them feel it, do you think they have teeth? that's one of the things they are looking at. the fact that the diplomats were thrown out. and so these things were long in the making. if you allow this to go on and they em

let's talk a little bit about the hack in the ukraine. you know, your suspicions about why that was done, who did it, and if that was a precurso jon miller: so, i mean for all intents and purposes, it, it was the russians, right? um, it's pretty commonly recognized that it was a proof of concept. we can talk about you know hacking substations and taking down power. the only way you know if it's going to work for reals is if you do it. joe weiss: when you look at what happened in ukraine, everything that happened there could happen here. lisa: joe weiss is an expert on the automated systems that control everything from dams to substations. he's spent his career studying how the electric grid works. joe weiss: look, you've got the transformer, you've got the relay house, you know, this is typical. lisa: weiss says substations like this one are all over the country, and they are more vulnerable to hacks than the utilities care to let on. that's because weiss and other experts say that nations like china and russia have already infected the u

officials had to address the issues of ukraine and syria but progress was not expected. he was happy to see continue dialogue but in his closing address frank walter steinmeier said he felt it was under threat. >> are we ready to make tough decisions and stand up for our beliefs? this is what we need to do combat those challenging our security. >> this was aimed at russia and its role in the ukraine and syria. at the meeting, foreign ministers sent out contradictory signals. on thursday he announced a cease-fire in aleppo. on friday he qualified that. >> after this break in the fighting, the attacks will resume. until these bandits have left. >> both bandits are rebels finding -- fighting against the forces of russian troops backing them. russian hackers may intervene in next year's election but he dismissed the idea as nonsense. 1000 people joined a protest march. there were fears of violence but it remained peaceful. >> the army has been cracking down on muslim ethnic prompting tens of thousands to flee. >> this is their new home. they have nothing here, but at least t

look at russians in estonia, crimea, ukraine, going against the electric grid. and there's another dimension to this. that the russians have been trying to undermine western democracies, including ours for after the least 80 years, since the late 1940s, instituted a system called disinformation, otherwise known as lying. they've used it. have hundreds of thousands of people committed to working on it according to the head of rome mainian intelligence who defected in '79 to us. he said in his books and otherwise, that russia is all the time trying to undermine western democracies. focused on europe more until relatively recently. going after relatively weaker parties and so forth and expanded to here. it's not new. russia, even when they smile, they have still maintained the disinformation program. and they're right now probably finding some way to try to get into the system. it was not hacking up until relatively recently. now it's hack. they've used different technologies over the years and decades. this is not new that they're trying to damage western democrac

electric utilities have weaker security than ukraine. and the malicious software the hackers used has already been detected in the u.s. >> it is very concerning that the same actors using similar capabilities and trade craft are preparing and are getting access to these business networks and getting access to portions of the power grid. >> in ukraine they restarted the power in just hours. but an attack in the u.s. could leave people without electricity for days or each weeks according to experts. because, ironically, scott, america's advanced automated grid would be much harder to fix. >>> holly williams, ♪ the itsy bitsy spider went up the waterspout. down came the rain and clogged the gutter system creating a leak in the roof. luckily the spider recently had geico help him with homeowners insurance. water completely destroyed his swedish foam mattress. he got full replacement and now owns the sleep number bed. his sleep number setting is 25. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance. that cough doesn't sound

i would leave that to history to determine who is behind the development in ukraine. i am more worried about western europe not only being unstable because of the crisis that is has not come to terms with but also splintering from america. the old axis of stability which meant the american nuclear... europe is unstable because liberalism has collapsed. liberal governments are no longer effective. excuse me, you can see it with brexit, you can see it with trump, you can see it with all these movements. the complacent liberal hegemony is what has given rise to all these right—wing populist movements. if the liberal governments had been more attentive to their own populations and the disenchantment, detachment, alienation of their own populations, we would not be in this situation. exactly. you are making my point. we won't agree on that but with just a few minutes left, why has the left in europe, in particular, but also in north america and the philippines, why has the left been so weak? i think we've moved beyond the age of ideological dichotomy. left or right no lo

whether in ukraine or within the cyber world. we have to meet this newly aggressive, belligerent russia, with a strong push-back. >> let us know if you get the request granted from the president of the united states. we will be anxious to hear. >> thank you. >> adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee. >>> the electoral college meets in 11 days to formalize the election of donald trump. could a new lawsuit complicate things. >>> plus, details of the tactics now being adopted by isis. are terrorist forces preparing to bring them to the west? [ esiason ] imagine -- what you wear every day actually making your body feel better, making your whole day better. hi, everybody. i'm boomer esiason. and that's exactly what tommie copper does for me. [ male announcer ] go to tommiecopper.com right now to discover all the ways tommie copper can make your life better. [ esiason ] sleeves that help support aching elbows and knees. tops that can help ease your overworked, sore back and shoulders. bottoms that help relieve

this is about russia's decision to invade its neighbor, ukraine. and all the problems since have -- >> a sovereign country. but another clarity about the war in iraq. there was some time many years ago, jamie, one might have been excused for believing that iraq had weapons of mass destruction and perhaps they were behind al qaeda and all of these things. there is really very little reason in 2016 to have that belief and yet we expect that the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n., john bolton being nominated as deputy secretary of state, what he told the washington examiner last year. i think the decision to overthrow saddam was correct but i think the decisions after that were wrong. i think wost was the decision to withdraw u.s. and coalition forces. john bolton is outside of the mainstream, even of republican thought about iraq. >> exactly right. if someone cannot accept the result of the iraq war has been, when you add up the ledger, when you add up all the down sides, all the damage versus the upside, if you can't accept it has done grave damage

but there is a significant number of individuals that are kept in ukraine's prisons. , ukraine's authorities consider it legally held. them --'t want to put so if it's in all for all exchange, you need to issue an amnesty law and release all of them. otherwise it would be difficult to find a consensus. journalists and directors have to do with the profession tells them to do. as for the servicemen. the servicemen of ukraine's army which were captured. no one tortured them. no one beat them up. they confessed and it is very check whether they are actually officers of the ukrainian military on payroll. they give the name of the units, the name and rank of their commanders. the task that they were given. released all that information. this needs to be stopped. this practice needs to be stopped. it will be easier to resolve other issues. getting back to journalists and film directors. no one has a desire to keep journalists, if they are really journalists. what do we do if a film director that has been proven in court that was preparing to stage a terror act? should we release him to keep the mi

the only way to do that is to go to ukraine. then we drive eastwards, just as german police units did in the early 1940's. we travel from village to village. with the help of a paris-based organization, we searched the last remaining witnesses to the mass maters -- murders which took like 75 years ago. it doesn't take long to find people who witnessed such crimes. mass graves can be found in many villages here. i come to realize that the trail of blood stretches across ukraine, and it leads us to hear. the place with a mother and daughter in the picture were killed. here we meet nikolai. he knows why we've come and leads us to the spot of the photos were taken. she was 10 at the time. he was tending cattle grazing on the meadow next to the road. he watched what happened to the jews. 75 years on, he remembers it like it was yesterday. >> the cows were grazing there and the road was here. and we saw everything. there's -- there was a pile of shoes here. >> nikolai remembers that some neighbors were standing next to the jews and as

as for the service men of ukraine's army, which were captured. from the military intelligence of ukraine, nobody tortured them. no one beat them up. they confessed and it is very easy to check whether they are actually officers of the ukrainian military on payroll. they give not just to the full context, they give the name of the units, the name and rank of their commanders. the tasks they were given, the contacts on the territory of russia and on the territory of crimea, they released all of that information. they revealed all that. and every piece of information corroborates the other. so this practice needs to be stopped. if they have this political will, it will be easier to resolve other political issues. getting back to journalists and film directors. no one has a desire to keep journalists, if they are really journalists. but what do we have to do if a film director, and that has been proven in court, was preparing to stage a terror act? should we release him to keep -- release him just because he is a tv director? keepd we release them, b

what is the future of ukraine, the sanctions against russia over ukraine? >> they toe supported economic sanctions against russia because russia has illegally annexed part of another country, crimea from ukraine. russia continues to destabilize eastern ukraine by supporting separatists. so the economic sanctions i a way to give a clear message that this is unacceptable. it has a price to behave in that way. >> in syria, we see the potential collapse in alleppo. at this point, isn't russia dictating the terms of any kind of political solution down the road given their air power, support for assad, propping up the regime? >> in syria it is a catastrophe. it is getting even worse because the renewed offensive regime supported by russia. at the same time there is no military solution to the conflict in syria. we need a political, diplomatic solution and first will be to have a cease-fire and building on that, we need a more lasting political solution. therefore we support all efforts, also the united states to try to find such a political solution because the h

we will briefly talk about the situation in ukraine. and the process which is moving incredibly slowly. we will need to extend the sanctions against russia yet again. be thorny topic of how to handle the impending brexit will be handled over a dinner to which theresa may is not invited. she will be shown out while the 27 leaders discuss their plans to push out the u.k. as quickly as possible. london is looking at the possibility of a transition period. theresa may has promised to launch britain's withdrawal process by march. genie: talks in japan between shintzo abe and vladimir putin. ordered a start to consultations on joint economic activity. during the in the studio these are international affairs editor. what are these islands? >> it's a very long chain of islands. i want to show you where they are on the map. the disputed ones are at the southernmost end of the chain. they actually go all the way up into the pacific. in the 19th century russia controlled the northern part of the chain. basically divided under a peace treaty betwee

electric utilities have weaker security than ukraine. and the malicious software the hackers used has already been detected in the u.s. >> it is very concerning that the same actors using similar capabilities and trade craft are preparing and are getting access to these business networks and getting access to portions of the power grid. >> in ukraine they restarted the power in just hours. but an attack in the u.s. could leave people without electricity for days or each weeks according to experts. because, ironically, scott, america's advanced automated grid would be much harder to fix. >>> holly williams, thanks. the cbs "overnight news" will be right back. that cough doesn't sound so good. well i think you sound great. move over. easy booger man. take mucinex dm. it'll take care of your cough. fine! i'll text you in 4 hours when your cough returns. one pill lasts 12 hours, so... looks like i'm good all night! ah! david, please, listen. still not coughing. not fair you guys! waffles are my favorite! ah! some cough medicines only last 4

stand against russian aggression in ukraine, they say. one of the lawmakers behind that push is scheduled to join me in a few minutes. let's start this hour as stephanie mentioned in baton rouge. chris jansing is there for us. donald trump is having a get out the vote event. quite frankly, chris, we thought it would be over by now, but he's running a little bit late. he's going to be there with senate candidate john kennedy. what do we expect out of the president-elect? >> reporter: well, who hours late so far but we're told he's on the ground so hopefully this will get under way. these folks have been waiting a long time though they're shouting trump so they must be getting some indication or seeing some movement over there. look, this is a critical race. it's the very last race of the 2016 campaign. if the republicans can win, if john kennedy can hole the seat that was david vitter's, that means 52-48. what's one seat mean in the senate? well, as you know, kate, there is a very ambitious agenda that president-elect trump has, that the l

>> there are crimea for one and perhaps ukraine. ukraine where there's again proxy war going on. and great russian influence in that conflict. russia is setting up antiships -- antiair missile systems close to the baltics can. the u.s. is doing the same. ground-based missile systems in romania, poland. you feel a cold-warrish feeling about this. there could be a misstep. one over russian planes going to close to an american flight or british flight as we have seen over the last few years. >> i feel like one area with which none of us has enough knowledge or understanding is the south china sea and how important it's going to be and why. >> yes. so this is china, our relationship with china, which is a long-term competetive one that's going to be problematic now the trump administration. the south china sea is an example of that. china claiming land that the philippines claims and vietnam claims. >> that's about military expansion. >> right. fighter jets on islands they created. why? to could two things, to protect their trade routes but also to extend chinese over land. this is a

regardless of whether ukraine or georgia. we need to establish a regime for all citizens of all countries. as for russia and -- the crisis in our relationship started after a conflict. it might seem trivial but it was irrationally started in south is that shia but we need to start thinking about normalizing our relations and perhaps we could go back to free travel for georgians. we have all the grounds for it. we are receiving certain signals from some georgian officials. it's very important to established normal relationships between law enforcement agencies and security services in terms of fighting terrorism so that this regime would not undermine our security so we need to have cooperation in fighting terror. overall this is possible. was it last time or the year before that? [speaking in russian] >> translator: thank you for exporting to china and the u.s.. >> the market is parlous. >> without your support there would not have been any of this so come to see us any time. so the question about governors of your people so

we see that in russia's a aggression in ukraine and georgia. it's counterproductive role in the ongoing tragedy in syria, its attacks in cyberspace, it's violation of arms control treaties and other international agreements and above all its nuclear -- these actions are not what the world expects. rather each threatens to undermine global security aneroid the principal order that it's been so good not only to the united states but to russia and the rest of the world. let me be clear, the united states does not take a cold let alone hot war with russia. we do not seek an enemy. but make no mistake we will defend her allies in the positive future beef that affords all of us. we will will counter attempts to undermine our collective security. to do so the united states is following a strong imbalance strategy. we are addressing russia's action while pursuing in pursuing bilateral cooperation where u.s. and russian objectives can be aligned. this strategy for deterrence doesn't simply recycle the playbook used to deter syria during the cold war bec

for example, might president putin do in estonia what he's done in ukraine and if president-elect trump hasn't already dismembered nato, nato would be obliged to react. are you worried about some -- if not global at least major war breaking out? >> i don't even want to joke about that topic. because i truly am afraid. yes. putin is used to being the only unpredictable player on the playing field. and now there's a second one and in terms of his opportunities, you know, what he's capable of, he's the number one. -- number one player. >> so you're worried, very worried? >> yes, i am very afraid that if putin continues to play the way he's been playing in the pas past, -- >> and where -- >> we'll be closer to such a conflict. >> where do you think that conflict could erupt? what would be the spark, the catalyst? >> something that's the most unpredictable. some -- let's say flyover over an american frigate. >> right. >> it's -- it's been said a hundred times over, don't do this. it's idiotic, don't do it and yet they still keep doing it. >> you know the founder of open russia, you want to c

i led a bipartisan delegation to ukraine in august. we went to the czech republic, estonia, and ukraine, to look at the impact of russian aggression. they have illegally occupied crimea and continue to support in an appropriate military action in eastern ukraine, and frankly, i think it is the right thing for president obama to be stepping up pressure against russia, to get them to keep their part of the minsk according that could bring resolution. we do have a very strained relationship, and i think that's appropriate. >> what is russia trying to do, trying to set the stage for making relations look really bad and maybe thawing them to curry favor with a trump administration? >> that's entirely possible. and while i understand the possible benefits of reviewing our relationship with russia, of negotiating for a reset, i don't think the trump administration should step back one inch from our insistence that we not allow putin to get away with the invasion and occupation of a neighboring country, that we not allow putin to get away with

the alliance, i think, has been quite united in seeing what russia has done against ukraine and earlier against georgia, as a basic challenge to the whole international system that we've built together with russia. since the end of world war ii and especially since the end of the cold war. their‘s no serious different within nato we need to strengthen our defence. —— no serious divisions. most importantly, the two sides of the atlantic had to stay united. allies are a bit nervous about some of the statements during the campaign made by the president—elect about nato. more recently he's been more reassuring saying he's a believer in nato, is mainly concerned allies need to spend more on defence and carry their share of the burden, a very legitimate criticism of of the allies. but hopefully he will not make any hasty moves, but consult with allies on such an important matter as how to rebuild the relationship with russia. the relationship with russia. the relationship no question is in bad shape, there is nowhere to go but up in this relationship, but we have to do it on the basis

we can get natural gas to the ukraine and eastern europe so they won't be didn't on vladimir putin. would you like to be china? some of us have been in china on a day where you can't see one block because of the pollution. do you know for 40 years the chinese had a one-child policy? they have a demographic challenge the likes of chb will be gigantic. see this device here? i have to buy a new goddamn one every six months. this was not invented in china or europe or any place else. this is a device that is changing the world. it's information, it's knowledge and knowledge and knowledge is power. when i goetz tired of doing the lord's work in the city of satan, i go and meet with the non-commissioned officers. they are the best, there is nobody that can match up to them and i still think if we'll give them the equipment that they need and the train iing, americ pilots are flying less hours per month than chinese and russian pilots today. i always appreciate newt's thinkings and his ideas. he's one of the people who i've known who thinks not in one years or five years or ten years or ma

ukraine and eurasia. welcome. there's going to be more than one hearing on capitol hill about whether russia tried to tilt a u.s. election. at the same time, actually before this happens but we are talking about it, right, a trump surrogate, congressman kingston, is in russia talking about lifting sanctions. how does that strike you? >> well, i think this is the problem. you heard manu say there's a lot of information that we expect the obama administration to get out to the public. we want to know what the intelligence community knows and not just about what the russians did, but the trump campaign's involvement. because it's not just congressman kingston being in moscow right now, but there were reporters calling me over the summer saying hey, we have reports of carter page going to moscow, meeting with russian officials and giving them the wink and the nod indicating that they should release the documents that they hacked to wikileaks and of course, that happened. so i mean, the release happened.

you have to deal with russia on ukraine and on syria, and north korea, and human rights, and nato, and all of those issues, and it's not just about oil exploration in russia. so i mean, he needs to get a fair hearing and we need to know about his ties and we need to know about his views, but it's not enough to have as a policy the goal of good relations with mr. putin. the policy needs to be about american national interests, and then we need to think about how those relationships with people like putin can advance them. so far we haven't had that discussion about hour national interests. >> on the broad spectrum, what signal would a tillerson pick send to our allies? >> well it depends on which allies you're talking about, but if you're an ally in estonia, latvia or lithuania, this is terrible news. there's just i've already heard from those people by the way. i have lots of friends in europe. they see this as yet another step towards warming relations with mr. putin, and you know, ignoring of their interests. same with ukrainians by the way, they are deeply worried we're now going to

the driver only known as johnny set out from tuk to make it to ukraine. >> if you can aafford the car, you can afford the air >> people saw him driving around and that's where people really started this is his way to go out and see the world. once he met the end of the journey, he went on back. >> yeah, sounds like he has been working hard most of his life and time for him to play hard for the rest of >>> these videos are just great. first is a dad taking advantage. he has a face mask >> she is crying and there's nothing that she is do and it just -- [ laughter ] we have a daughter pranking her dad. >> this is my water bottle. >> she places it down and it's on the top. >> just like that. >> she is covered and magically going to go in. >> we all see it and when they do, we're not going spoil it. >> magic. magic. magic. okay. are you ready? >> i am ready. >> okay. now take a look. >> i knew it. i knew it. >> it's up. >> do you see that. >> you got to watch the internet. >> oh my god. >> get another update on the mega box. >> it's mock three. >> we're ready to put the heavy lift arms and

moving into ukraine, for example. nothing fully clear about what's going on in terms of the syrian involvement. that's reality, as with the u.s. is trying to deal with diplomatically. mr. page: there are two separate issues and ukraine. i think where russia is often criticized, often harshly and unfairly, is with regard to crimea. they talk about moving into ukraine, in the might on the u.s. had a very significant involvement, which even the president petro poroshenko is referred to as well. vonnie: let's look at potential energy policy under trump. we have a screen of some of the things that trump has promised, he gave a speech just a few months ago back in may in which he promised several things. we will try to get that up on the screen. some of them are contradictory. he wants to revive the coal industry and bring back jobs. he also wants to stop all payment to the u.n. when it comes to global warming. but then rex tillerson, who believes there is human ,nvolvement in global warming for example, it is a supporter o

that good a lateral relationship with ukraine once with what the european union. >> thank you, mr. speaker. could the prime minister did i think there's any discussions discussions about how the european union things the border [inaudible] it hasn't not an impact across the agm but of course there's elements with which the u.k. is not involved. and that is still a matter of being this pass by those members as i say the u.k. is not part of that. we should recognize they have had an impact on movements into greece from turkey and crucially what we do need to see is making sure the process of returning people who have no right to be briefed as operating as smoothly as possible. we are offering extras that to enable the process to be purchased more smoothly. >> the whole house will welcome the focus my right honorable gentleman has reported on syria and aleppo. the additional british humanitarian including unicef and the part played by british diplomats and the government over the weekend in securing a successful u.n. resolution very much along the lines of the debate in the house last

>> this is an interesting case we've uncovered actually all the way in ukraine where ukraine artillerymen were targeted by fancy bear, the target of the d.n.c., but this time they were targeting their cell phones to understand their location to the russian artillery forces can target them in the open battle. >> woodruff: this is russian military intelligence who got hold of information about the weapons, in essence, that the ukrainian military was using, and was able to change it through malware? >> yes, essentially one ukraine officer built this app for his android phone that he gave out to his fellow officers to control the settings for the artillery pieces they were using, and the russians actually hacked that application, put their malware in it and the malware reported back the location of the person using the phone. >> woodruff: what's the connection between that and what happened to the democratic national committee? >> it was the same variant of the same accomplishes code we've seen at the d.n.c. the phone version we saw at the d.n.c. was personal computers but it was the same sou

one is over the ukraine. one is in syria. and the third indeed is in the cyber world where as i said the bayonets have become the bits. but let's shift metaphors. russia is famous for chess players. what we're seeing is a game of chess going back and forth. putin has moved pretty dramatically in holding on to retaliation. it's a very clever tactical move. >> president-elect donald trump with whom i know you have met privately even recently responded by saying, it's time to move on to bigger and better things. he said he'll get briefed by leaders of the intelligence community next week. what do you make of the next president's response? >> i think we see a deal maker. this of course is president-elect trump's style. he's trying keehis options open. he is being helped at the moment by both putin and kind of strangely by president obama, by lowering these sanctions president obama has effectively given president-elect trump way to say, okay, that was taken care of by president obama. now i can move forward and cut a new deal wit

imposed those sanctions because of what russia had done at ukraine. rex tillerson and exxon mobil shareholders ended up suffering because of that, although that company has done very well and rex tillerson is on the record as saying he does not believe sanctions work. he doesn't believe they should be in place. he's made that statement very generally but he's made it specifically with respect to the sanctions against russia. now on one hand he may really believe that as a businessman. on the other hand, russia and exxon mobil had a very specific deal for which exxon mobil shareholders had a lot to gain. he's a very wealthy man. he's got over $150 million worth of exxon shares at this point. he'll have to divest of those shares. so it's an interesting choice for secretary of state, given that one of the greatest foreign policy priorities right now for the united states government is how to deal with russia alongside china and what's going on in the middle east. russia has a hand in it all. rex tillerson is very pro-russia, enjoys a very good relationsh

because russia annexed crimea and intervened in ukraine. so we have to -- that is part of the policy, too, in my view, and that's why you have to, in my view, have a larger portfolio and think about these things, not just from the narrow perspective of energy. >> let's talk about the world. there's a whole globe out there. and i do agree with trump's -- i do agree with the guy occasionally. he was opposed to the iraq war. i don't like the secretary of states being constantly in airplanes. i think at some point you've got to use modern technology and sit in washington, at foggy bottom or the white house and advise the president, quality time with the president, lots of it. so jim baker and george bush sr. get your heads together. schultz and reagan. get your heads together, understand the world. that's a learning process. and bopping around on these long trips -- >> right now we dona't have a sense from donald trump and his team whether they're doing things by accident or on purpose. we don't know whether the flirtation with russia is a stra

pressure aimed at undermining the ukraine government. i was in ukraine last year and i saw firsthand the struggles that that government is having. they have their own internal issues with corruption and the like, but they are trying to make for a better country, and that is very difficult when you have an outside nation that is engaged in this kind of combat that we see from russia and these kinds of interventions. according to conservative estimates from the united nations, approximately 10,000 people have been killed. over 20,000 wounded. more than two million internally displaced since the conflict began. as we note in our letter, 27 senators, republicans and democrats led by senators durbin and portman, we have said that russia has launched a military land grab in ukraine that is unprecedented in modern european history, and we ask the president-elect to work with us on this very important matter and for securing ukraine's democracy and securing the ukrainian people. i will say my state has a very strong tradition of ukrainians. i ac

we've got to address the ukraine. these are all very very important issues but you can still have an on going business relationship while these military-type issues are being resolved. >> congressman, thank you. appreciate your time. congressman jack kingston. >> >>> also back with the panel. and jim sciutto. we want to report what president obama told npr we need to take action and we will. your reaction to that? what would be the actions for retaliation? >> you basically have an escalating menu of options. it starts with naming and shaming. in private first which we know the president did first with vladimir putin. in china this past summer and then going out in public saying we know what you did. and they did that in october a month before the election. and then you get to further steps, one you discuss with jack kingston, economic sanctions. the response to russian military action in ukraine. and it's imposed economic action but not to the behavior on the ground. then tough next step, which is to retaliate in cybe

. >> now, alisyn, i'm hearing ukraine, ukraine announcing that it has just recently been targeted by at least ten major cyber attacks including today the infrastructure ministry, and its website, was taken down. now they haven't pointed the finger directly at russia yet but last december they did point the finger at russia for a hack attack, a cyber attack, that took down electricity to more than 100 cities across this country, and a partial electricity to more than 150 other cities across ukraine. of course, ukraine is currently fighting a war against separatists that are supported by neighboring russia. alisyn and chris? >> ivan, as important as that point is that you made there in the last, that's something that russia also denied the same way it's denying the hacks right now by saying put up the proof, otherwise leave it alone. thank you very much for your reporting from ukraine. so how might this back and forth between trump and the white house over the apparent hacking impact the peaceful transition of power? cnn's sara murray is here with the latest. what do you see in >> good

aleppo and ukraine are two main examples. we will not be pushed around and be told what we believe to be the truth is not. we will try to tell the truth and advertise the truth and make it clear. that is what we do and what is our main weapon of diplomacy. alan duncan. the government has admitted there are problems with how the lease hold system works in england and wales. conservative and labour mps told the commons that they had seen ground rent levels rocket for constituents and that had became untenable. we are seeing a national scandal. it is the ppi of the housebuilding industry. every now and then a practice comes to light which is totally unconscionable and which every reasonable person looking at it would say they cannot allow this to continue. parliament must act. this is one such occasion. the practice that has developed is to sell new homes on a long—term lease, with a misleading low ground rent and buy—out price. this has become common in my constituency over the last few years. it is not a tradition in my co