the cia at this point. and after reading your article, i asked phil mudd, former cia counter terrorism official, cnn analyst, about your dough significance to resign so early in the administration. i want you to listen, ned, to what he said. >> let's see where the rubber meets the road here. we have a secretary of defense, a secretary of state and a vice-president who have said things on russia, for example, that reflect the intelligence and differ from what the president has said. you can quit if you want, but 28 or 30 days into a presidency, you can't say it's because you think intelligence is politicized. i don't buy it. >> all right. i want you to respond to that why you decided not to wait, and why not, for example, give mike pompeo, the new cia director a chance. >> wolf, it's a fair question and it's uniquely personal decision, one that i made and one that perhaps others at the cia are considering at the moment. i think, wolf, you know, i had two options at my disposal. i could have gone back to the

michael: the cia does not do the options part. the cia does not do policy options. what cia does is they collect information about threats facing the united states. what we like to say is collect information on the plans, intentions and capabilities of our adversaries, whether they be al qaeda or whether they be vladimir putin. then, we take all of that information and put together an assessment for the president on how to think about threats, why it exists, how might evolve and what factors might advance it -- might influence it for the good and the bad. then, the policymakers take all that have been together policy. charlie: and that would in this case be the national security council? security'se national counsel. the deputies of the national security council and the executives of the national security council. charlie: is there often disagreements among the agencies or is that a rare occurrence? michael: there are often small differences of opinion. it is very rare there's a difference of opinion that matters to the president. that is the dni's job. to say this

and he is saying to the cia talking about iraq come the cia has fought many battles in iraq and trump as saying he wants to win. we are going to start winning again. you are going to be leading the charge. if we kept the oil we probably wouldn't have isis because that's where they make their money. maybe we will have another chance. do you think they want to have another chance of occupying iraq quick says that going to make america safe? i'm good. >> you've got got to move on. >> i'm going to sum up. what we are looking at in the past nine days as an attempt to undo everything that is the construct in the last 70 years including nato, the national security establishment, the structures of the post-war world that kept america safe and prevented world war iii. we are heading into uncharted waters where the medieval mapmakers wrote -- [applause] >> douglas can you talk to the american experience and immigration and the fear or hostility that has accompanied it? >> to me it's very sad since we have been here at the book festival that the symbol of our country is the statue of liberty and

the cia. the president stood in front of a memorial wall with 117 hand-carved stars on it. each of those stars commemorates a cia officer killed in the line of duty. standing in front of that wall, standing in front of all those stars, the new president bragged about his big win in november, bragged about the size of the crowd in his inauguration, talked about how much he hates the press and, for one career official who worked at the cia for over a decade, a man named ned price, that presidential bragging in that particular spot hit a nerve. ned price says his mentor at the cia was killed in the line of duty and is one of the people memorialized with a star on that wall. ned price said he thought he would spend his entire career working for the cia but after his years of service, including rising to the spokesman for the national security council, after living through just one month of this new presidency ned price decided he would not be a career cia official because he had to quit. he's writ

staying inside the cia. can you tell me what you might do now in terms of what you might do next and how hard the decision was that you had to go? >> as you said, i aspired to be a cia officer for all of my life until i joined the cia in 2006. it was an honor and i was humbled to be called on board earlier that year. but rachel i had two options as i watched these data points over the preceding weeks and months. one was to stay on board and accrue a salary at the expense of taxpayers and to write assessments, unbiased unvarnished assessments for an administration that in my estimation has shown little regard for the sort of outside opinion, outside information, the assessments the cia and colleagues throughout the intelligence community that form our bread and butter so the question was do i continue doing something that i thought was futile and have little impact on policy or should i leave and do something where i thought i could fulfill the same mission that i signed up for in 2006 and that's to serve the

assassination, the cia, the kgb. i have also written books about business, the rise and fall of ,iamonds, the takeovers mergers, and acquisitions, and books but the media. >> what year did you do "news from nowhere?" dr. epstein: that was my phd thesis at harvard, so my investigation where i sat in different networks was done from 69-71, and the thesis was finished in 1972, 19 73, and published in 1974. >> when did you graduate from cornell? 1964, i left for a butyears, graduated late, -- the story as you working for the author of "lolita?" dr. epstein: i was a sophomore. i was taking his class, and through -- he asked me if i would like to go to the movie theaters and give him a short review of four movie theaters in him --t if, and tell aca, and tell him what the best movie was playing because he and his wife only had time for one. >> what do you remember him best about him the most? dr. epstein: i remember all of his lectures, because he was wifeic lecturer, and his would never turn to me, she would keep looking a

both the cia and the nsa under george w. bush, were very outspoken supporters of hillary clinton. in fact, michael morel went to "the new york times" and uncle hayden went to "the washington post" during the campaign to praise hillary clinton and say donald trump had become a recruit of russia. the intelligence community work in support of hillary clinton and opposed to try from the beginning because they liked hillary clinton's policies better than they like donald trump's. one of the main priorities of the cia for the last five years has been a proxy or in syria designed to achieve regime change with the al-assad regime. hillary clinton was not only for that, she was critical of obama for not allowing it to go further and wanted to impose a no-fly zone in syria and confront the russians. donald trump took the opposite view. he said, we should not care who rules syria. we should allow the russians and even help the russians kill isis and al qaeda and other people in syria. trump's agenda that he ran on was completely antith

cia and the fbi? >> i think that he is in trouble. i think that -- i think that trump is in legal trouble. >> can't hear you. >> can you hear new now? >> yes. >> i think trump is in real legal trouble. and to they're investigating him for reasons, and just so many thing that are in his past and also the conflicts he has engage i in right now with his own bonuses. this is a man in a morass of difficult difficult and the agencies leading this are the two intelligence agencies. the fbi and the cia, they are going to be on his trail, and it's difficult to contain donald trump. we all know that. but if he does get ensnared in the legal process, it's going to be a really difficult thing for him to escape. >> one minute, tim, well, richard nixn took the oath of office when way was under investigation are by the fbi. donald trump took the office of office for his first inaugural while he was under the fbi and the cia and the intelligence community for the ties between his campaign and kremlin. that is unprece

it was hard work done from the cia. some of the intelligence becomes actionable only when it's placed in the greater context of what you know from everybody.y. >> you already have the name of the guy who got it from someone who was in the program i we would've gotten it without this program anyway.e gone t >> the problem is when you roll up a detainee in the beginning there is a tell us everyone you think bin laden knows there's nothing about a single name that highlights the importance. it's like like picking up a phone book and say because your name is in the phone book that the guy who's gonna wrap the gas station. you need something to take you to that piece of information to highlight the importance. unless i'm confusing this, it's clear my book the guy who gave him his name thought he was dead.who gi the thought he was dead. it was a smart clever work by the cia analyst who determined this guy was confusing him with his brother and the guy heg himi identified with was still alive. in hindsight this like doing a la

the kennedy assassination, the cia, the kgb. i have also written books about business, the rise and fall of diamonds, the takeovers, mergers and acquisitions, and i have written books but the -- about the media. >> what year did you do "news from nowhere?" dr. epstein: that was my phd thesis at harvard, so my investigation where i sat in different networks was done from 1969 to 1971. the thesis was finished in 1972, published inwas 1974. >> when did you graduate from cornell? dr. epstein: 1964, i left for a few years, graduated late, but -- >> what is the story as you working for the author of "lolita?" dr. epstein: that goes back a long way to when i was a sophomore at cornell. class, and heis asked me if i would like to go to the movie theaters and give him a short review of four movie theaters in ithaca, and tell him what the best movie was playing because he and his wife only had time for one. so, i had this temporary job. we are talking now about 60 years ago. >> what do you remember about him the most? dr. epstein: i remem

now, cia director mike pompeo schrammed t-- slammed the repor saying the cia has not and will not keep information from the president period. and our guest did interrogate saddam hussein. the director of national intelligence has come out and said this report is false. how do you characterize this relationship, this ongoing bale betwe trump and the intel community? is i a war? is it a nonissue as the cia director has suggested or is it something in between? >> it's something that i think is very bad. i've said on this program before the cia -- the intelligence community and the president need each other. if we're going to have this kind of constant sniping at each other, i think this plays into the hands of our enemies. it's going to hurt his presidency in the long run. >> you've got to have contact as a former cia analyst, you've got to have contact with people who are in the intelligence community. what's the situation? what's the morale? how to people in covert operations even fight this sort of thing? >> there was a lot of encouragement after donald trump came to the cia headquarte

visits because that's what the cia called them. but we had great concerns about these guys was started working with us getting sour because they were in isolation. and so we would just stop by and play board games with them or go to the basketball court and play basketball, go to the gym and lift weights with them or watch a movie with them. you would think that from listening to what people say on t.v. about what we did. but in fact, we did a lot of that. and ksm is one of those guys he is like yoda. he likes to sit there and talk. so you might go play basketball with one but you wouldn't do that with ksm. he was italian things.and he had two kinds of things that he did. he had a dry erase board and he loved to lecture. and so he, we would go and listen to electric. so he would have something to do and he wasn't servicing intelligence requirements. and occasionally something useful came out of that. the other thing he liked the delorme came around and said you know how are you going things, he liked to sit and talk about what was

the eavesdropping by the cia. he knew his call to the russian investor would be subject to electronic surveillance. mr. flynn is a retired general who ran the defense intelligence agency, so surely he knew that his call to the russian ambassador would be subject to electronic surveillance. you can find that in "the wall we are taking." calls on the resignation of michael flynn and what it means when it comes to the resignation itself and national security interest. paul in florida. republican line. does anybody remember susan rice? she was president obama's security advisor, the same position that general flynn occupies. she told the biggest boldfaced lie the american people have ever experienced. that videos were the reason for benghazi. how did she get that job? president obama brought her in so she could be called before congress that he kept her for his entire administration. please, don't tell me about general flynn when you have a of aete catastrophe security advisor that was in the obama administration for

he mentions from the cia were to come in and also the fbi. they were going to come in -- this was the first alleged terrorist who's been picked up that we know of. and they will begin the interrogation and do it in this black site outside of bangkok. the fbi arrives there early. they start interrogating sabina aida. when the two psychologists arrived, the cia staff actually sent a telegram back to alex station, the special unit back .c. who weren, d directing the war on terror. --elegram or that message i'm showing my age -- was essentially we are worried because these interrogators that -- heome in from the cia has heart trouble and we are worried that something could happen to him because he is being water boarded and other forms of interrogation. he ever going to go public. meanwhile, what had happened is of fbi pulled out interrogations and what that amount. whatever transgressions they make an, if interrogation, a judge is going to be watching over what they've done. it can be exposed in court. they weren't going to be part of this and t

a concern for the 70 years when the oss and cia started, the idea that the president would get information that was tailored to force a conclusion or that he wouldn't get the entire picture from his intel agencies. are there mechanisms in place within the cia to prevent that from happening? >> yes, the frustration that i see is -- listen, the department of justice in congress they have the authorization to look into the counterespionage concerns. those are real between president trump, some of the folks in his entourage, and the russian government, that should be investigated and it is investigated. that ought not to be the spies get involved in, that can't be what we do. within the cia, within the department of justice, the oversight committees, that's their job. it is not the job of the spike to figure out who wins and loses. >> tucker: the cia needs to give intelligence to the president must for those of us following at home, where do you think the fault lines are going to be quick to mark what are the policies trump is espousing that people might disagree with where they might try to h

public, what is the long-term impact on the cia? >> the bigger question is what is the long-term impact on the president of the united states and the decisions that the president has to make with regards to foreign policy and protecting the security of the country. that's his first responsibility is to protect the country. he can't do that without getting intelligence, without getting good intelligence as to what's going on in the world. and so ultimately, you do have to have a relationship of trust re-established. i hope mike pompeo, the new director of the cia, can do that. i hope that dan coates, the new director of national intelligence, that he can help do that. i think jim mattis is trying to do that. so my hope is that ultimately that relationship can be re-established. why? because it has to be re-established for the sake of the country. >> but do you believe the president has a point on these leaks at all? do you think these leaks are coming from the intel community and that it is undermining his presidency? >> i -- chuck,

it is not the job of the spike to figure out who wins and loses.th >> tucker: the cia needs to give intelligence to the president must for those of us following at home, where do you think the fault lines are going to be what are the policies trump is espousing that people might disagree with where they might try to hamstring him? >> i think two things if i may. he went to the cia one of thery first days in office and he stood in front of the wall and he was very almost campaign like and how he handled that interaction. i think that was a mistake and i think that i fell on very hard ears within the agency i think a lot of people got pretty upset with him for doing that. i think as a president becomes a bit more presidential, if i may be so blunt, i think the intelligence community would start to respect him. >> tucker: they don't like is a style. >> the other pieces when he rejected the assessment that russians were involved in trying to throw the election, that was very difficult and frustrating for then the president-elect to say that wasn't true. if the president can get past some of those pi

to him. >> i'll talk to the former head of the cia. and stress test, how politics is getting all of us stressed out. but some a lot more than others. joining me for inside and analysis are david brooks, columnist for "the new york times." amy walter, national editor of the cook political report. huge hue wit and former democratic congresswoman, donna edwards. welcome to sunday. it is "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, celebrating it's 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. it's only been four weeks, but already we're running out of adjectives to describe the trump presidency and this past week did nothing to clear things up. late yesterday president trump returned to familiar territory, addressing adoring supporters in florida, far away from protesters or reporter questions. mr. trump is hardly the first question to seek validation from campaign style events so early in his presidency. the last three presidents all chose to escape washi

for several years, the cia's position when we asked for information about the cia's response was what drone campaign? from a litigators perspective, it is very rare and almost unheard of. an appeals court will second guess the determination of whether information is properly classified. in essence, from a litigation perspective it was a big victory. the other big victory is the second circuit case in which the court required the obama administration to release the july 2010 memo. they argued the release of it caused damage to national security. a huge foia victory. the cleef judge of the foreign intelligence court of review who was progressive was part of the panel. right? but that memo they released on the grounds of officially acknowledgment. essentially we had argued that the government shouldn't be able to keep the secret when it has effectively acknowledged the content of the memo and released them through documents and public statements. that is the argument the court adopted. when we won on the grounds the court said you guys already have the information you are asking for. in

time to chuck dirt at the cia. the intelligence agencies allowed any information that turned out to be so false and fake out, that they did that, i think it is a disgrace. i say that, and i say that, and that is something that nazi germany would have done. but the teflon don is no more. the grime is sticking to president trump as never before. at the heart of the flynn fiasco are fears that team trump had a russian connection with kremlin spies. this morning, the new york times reported that us intelligence sources told it that three of his closest election aides have repeated contact with russian intelligence officials. all three deny it. trump took to twitter to fight back. the best evidence for the russia connection might not be all nonsense, it was from the man himself in the campaign. russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e—mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. today, the former reality tv star was clear who was to blame. america's

of the cia had a team in of agab stand that was under cia controled the best afghan fighters, very effective and i said i'm putting this in the book and the cia position was oh my god, that's secret, that's the classic secret army. you shouldn't put that in, and i said well, i'm not going to name any members of it or operations. they said you should not publish it. look, there are a lot of people in the obama administration who say we don't need 100,000 troops in afghanistan, that this counter terrorist pursuit team actually does the job and i think it's recall they were not happy, but it was published no harm. i got to another item and mentioned it and literally the cia said if you publish that we can lose the war. that got my attention and went through the argument and it's not in the book and it's a great story that someday can be told, but you listen and you, it's david's point, you go through and this is as much, more disclosure than the government would like almost always, they would say don't publish any of this stuff, but not the sort of thing that will get people killed or cause us

direction of her boss at the time then head of the cia clandestine rodriguez and the cia released a statement saying it was thoroughly investigated by the justice department in 2010 and announced it would not pursue any charges related to this matter and worth noting at that time the enhance interrogation techniques were not illegal and following orderers, of course now the law bans torture. >> thank you. a brand new cnn poll, with jobs approval rating by the president. >>> want to just put politics aside now and take a moment on this friday to honor new york police detective steven mcdonald. last month the city came out in force to honor his lasting message of forgiveness for the gunman who shot him, leaving him paralyzed from the neck down. bren sat down with the widow and son to talk about how he went beyond the call of duty even after leaving the force. >> my dad and i, we rub our heads together all the time even though we couldn't hug. >> reporter: a wall filled with pictures, just a fraction of moments in the storied life of nypd detective steven mcdonald. >> give him a kiss.

there are flaws within the intelligence community, within the cia, within the nsa. they could be run more efficiently and more effectively. but i think the administration coming in with this incredible diss trust a be in of slaps to the face to the intelligence community directly, honestly, i think what's going none the intelligence community itself is just a great deal of concern about who we have at the helm of the country, is this person going to take seriously or even listen to valid intelligence reports that are -- that come about after sometimes years, months of collection and careful analysis? these are professionals working here and i think that they have been really treated unfairly by the incoming administration. >> and do you think that it was that fear of michael flynn in the position that he was in that eventually pushed some of their hands the release this information? >> i don't think the intelligence community at large has any political agenda. but i think that they have taken the fall a number of times in the past for very political maneuvers. do i

>> we saw him a day or so on television announcing he had been drugged by the cia for the last three months and he was very glad to be back in freiendy hands. >> reporter: one of the most famous, this garage in rosslyn. >> the watergate story is in fact an adaptation of espionage techniques for a political purpose. >> reporter: spy sites include where you can walk in the steps of real spies. >> i'm 100% certain there's a spy site in your neighborhood. you can walk to them. >> reporter: on the hunt for spy segraves, news4. >>> i'm chris lawrence back at the live desk where we're trying to bring you everything we know about this shooting in northeast d.c. in which two d.c. police officers have been shot and wounded. we can now confirm d.c. fire and ems is now confirming with us that they transported at least one person from there. so they rushed one person to a hospital. we're not sure who it was, but again two officers shot. both conscious and breathing. a suspect also shot. all of this happening near morse and holbrook. this is where florida avenue and eighth street northeast all sor

bob: i would say my book on the cia. the cia is an institution that plays a very ambiguity -- ambiguous game. the cia, they have been trained to manipulate and deceive. getting the straight story and getting to know bill casey, the head of the cia, at the time i was doing the book, that probably was the most difficult as a reporting effort. did bob woodward ask you to do in terms of the role -- the head of the cia? barbara: do you mean what was my role on the book? brian: at the party. barbara: this is two completely separate stories. the party story, i actually -- i teach journalism at georgetown. i just taught this last week to my students. i told them the story. it was an example of us doing ethics right now and it was an example -- they always like to hear when their professors are real people. it was an example of me as a young woman. i was 26 at the time. doing something slightly unethical, but it is kind of a funny story and so it is a good teaching told. this is what happened. woodward found out that there daught

were you chief of staff at the cia, were you chief of staff at the pentagon. what do you think the cia and the pentagon would have changed about this order if had gone through a normal procedure? obviously at the pentagon you would have carved out iraqi interpreters who were on the battle field with american soldiers. what else would you have changed? >> i actually think the entire thing would be different was it would be informed by intelligence. one of things the court said tonight is the administration came forward with he precisely zero evidence that there is any credible threat that the administration has described. and when this goes back down to the district court, the administration is going to have to come forward with intelligence, information, maybe secret information reviewed by the judge. and i think if this had gone through the normal process, the intelligence community would have provided input into the process. you might have different countries, you might not have had a total ban, you might have had vetting procedures changed. the whole thing

one cia analyst wrote at the time, there is no real danger and wrote afterwards that the cia's analysis of the war since -- scare was the agency had so many military books it could judge confidently when it might be building up to a real military confrontation or just banging pots and pans. the response to able archer 83 , the cia concluded, was just hot rattling -- pot rattling. but another agent, who will be here tomorrow night, disagreed. robert gates, who was deputy director for intelligence. he wrote "after going through the experience at the time, then through the postmortem and now , through the documents, i do not think the soviets were crying wolf. they may not have thought the nato attack was imminent but they did seem to believe the situation was very dangerous." rattling pots and pans, crying wolf, the advisor to the soviet union in 1984, do you think the soviet leader really care us or -- really fear us or is all of the huffing and puffing part of their propaganda? that is what ronald reagan identified as the key question i think he answered it for himself. i will talk abou

i hope the new director of the cia can do that. i hope that dan coates, the new director of national intelligence, that he can help do that, i my hope is, lumt ultimately that relationship is reestabli reestablished. why? because it has to be reestablished to the sake for the country. >> do you believe the president has a point on the leaks at all? do you think these leaks are coming from the intelligence community and that is it is undermining his presidency? >> chuck, you know, i have been involved in poll fixes for a long time, and i have served two presidents and worked under nine presidents. leaks are a problem that every president has complained about. >> right. >> presidents i worked for complained about leaks. the reality is that leaks come from all kinds of directions. the most important thing you can do to stop leaks is to establish loyalty between you and the president of the united states. if you establish a sense of loyalty, he will not have to worry about leaks. >> leon panetta, again, if i go through all your titles,

that's not the role the fbi and the cia -- and the same thing with respect to the house of representatives in the senate. they're going to be investigating what the russians did. there's lot of evidence that they tried to interfere with our election system. they're going to gelt to the bottom of it and it's not for the white house to try to manipulate the story here. and use the house or the senate as a way to get propaganda out there. that's not the objective. the american people are entitled to answers with respect to the russians and who in the united states has been dealing with the russians and that's what we need to know. >> the president was interviewed tonight on fox and spoke about who he thinks is behind the town hall protests and posthaebl leaks. >> can we talk about president obama. you said you personally get along with him. it seems his organization is doing the organizing to the protests against you. do you believe president obama's behind it and if he is, is that a violation of the so-called unsaid president's code. >> i think he's behind it and i think it's politics, that'

we have time weiner, the foremost modern historian of the fbi and the cia. time weiner will be here to help us sort this out. but there are just some baseline fundamental questions we don't have an answer for. or that we have answers for that make no sense. first there's the direct simple question of mike flynn and how he got to be national security advisor. how he lasted 24 days at that job. it's wudly reported general flynn was under investigation by counterintelligence community at the fbi and by counterintelligence investigators at the cia. he's also reportedly under investigation by the u.s. army for having taken allegedly undisclosed payments from the russian government during the presidential campaign at the end of 2015. those investigations didn't just start now. how did he get named national security advisor? the president is cleared to receive all classified information, included information about the investigations under way. what the president must have known about the counterintelligence investigations of michael flynn why would you ask michael

shah of iran got up and phoned the head of the iran desk at the cia to get his marching instructions for the day. the head of the cia was a lieutenant colonel, and i don't think the shah would be calling a lieutenant colonel to find out what he should be doing for the day given the shah's egomaniacal personality. but they believed out as well as a lot of other crazy, weird sorts of things. so that's the well known reason. but they also thought that khomeini was backtracking on his promise that he had made multiple times in paris to establish an islamic regime. and they thought we can, this group thought we can combine, we can combine two objectives here. we can get the americans out of iran, and we can force khomeini to decide whether he's going to have a secular government or whether he's going to have an islamic regime like he promised. and those two factors led to the takeover of the embassy. and they thought, we'll take the embassy, this'll be over in two or three days, this'll all be resolved then. we're pretty sure that the shah then is going -- or hoe main think will decide --

the kennedy assassination, the cia, the kgb. i have also written books about business, the rise and fall of diamonds, a book about the takeover -- takeovers, mergers and acquisitions and i've written books about the media host: what year did you do "news from nowhere?" dr. epstein: that was my phd thesis at harvard, so my investigation where i sat in different network was done 1969-1971. i think the thee is i was finished in 1972, 19 73, and published in 1974. host: what year did you graduate from cornell? dr. epstein: i graduated from cornell 1964. i left for a few years. i graduated late. host: what's the story of you working for nobokov, the author of "lolita?" dr. epstein: i was a sophomore. -- freshman at cornell. sophomore. i was taking his class, and through -- he asked me if i would like to go to the movie theaters and give him a short review of four movie theaters in ithaca. this was at cornell. and tell him what was playing because he and his wife only had time to see one so i had this temporary job. years ago g now 60

of the initiative rather than the cia. item, concern for preserving the secrecy of the initiative provided an excuse for abandoning sound process. item, the informality of the initiative meant that it lacked a formal institutional record and informed analysis. the result was that we were too often dependent on mere recollection, instead of a clear and complete record. item, the implementation of the initiative was never subjected to a rigorous review at appropriate times in this long a team of history. -- 18 month history. the board reached several conclusions regarding responsibility. this is not an exhaustive list, but some of the highlights. i would be surprised if the list answered all the questions that you would like to put, but i hope that these will get you started. item, the nse system was not work unless the president makes it work. after all, this system was created to serve the president of the united states in ways of his choosing. by his actions, by his leadership, the president therefore determines the quali

press and the intelligence agencies to the cia before and today donald trump unloading on the fbi. so you know, that's what makes me think that perhaps there was some kind of strong arming going on. >> are you confident that your committee or, in fact, in i other kbhcommittee in the house the senate can conduct a thorough investigation? i ask the question because your colleague on the committee, jim himes, he told cnn that he'd like to seat a 9/11 investigation because that would remove some of the political pressures that come with being members of congress. >> jim and i agree on that. we both supported independent and bipartisan commission that can have a full investigation into the whole russia issue. democrats, of course, are in the mi minority in both chambers. republicans will have to do that. but in lieu of that the house and senate investigations need to be full and fair. and i will say this, wolf. they need to proceed at a bris action pace which has not happened thus far. >> you tweeted this today. the white house shouldn't interfere with a white house investigation or ins

about a woman in the cia and that was the idea. the cold war was over. who is the enemy? it was a real dilemma. i realized the cia had a real life antagonist and it was the fbi. so once i discovered this axis in depsell --den is the fbi eight and annette was the cia agent. this fought over who would control terrorism in the united states. the question the movie asks, what would happen if terrorism came to america? the way that it already had visited london and paris, not to mention tel aviv. other cities, other countries had dealt with this problem. how would we deal with it? and there were presses outside the theaters. there were pickets muslims who were tired of being stereotyped astroists. it was box office failure. and then in august of -- before the movie even came out, august of 1998, the movie came out in november of '98. in ought of '98 al qaeda ban the first attacks on america by the bombing two embassies in east africa. 224 people were killed. more than 100 people were blinded by the flying glass. but there's another bomb

the suggestion is there is deep within the cia a group of people that have decided trump is not their president and they don't like what he's doing. i don't think that's true and even this story doesn't say that, this is based on the views of a single a nalyst based on the views of a single analyst but they're saying there's many within the cia who run the risk of looking like a deep state because their opposition to donald trump has been sober sciver is that they've also been led to numerous leaks and they are beginning to look like an organised opposition —— vociferous. no matter where you stand on donald trump, we don't like the idea of somebody organising the security people against the president. somebody organising the security people against the presidentm somebody organising the security people against the president. in a way it could soothe the trump presidency to push the deep state conspiracy theory. he has the idea that rallying people in a fortress mentality, saying everyone is against his presidency, is a way of bringing his supporters closer to him and defending him