>> remember paul ryan truly did not want this job. melissa: people don't want it now. >> people thought it was career ender, no way to bridge the moderates and very conservative base. imagine a call from him to nancy pelosi hey, let's get your top head, our top heads together and bring in schumer and bring in mcconnell. that thinkable? not in the current environment but maybe there is a sense of desperation that we have that happen. that is what it will take. ashley: i don't know. what do you think? can democrats even admit there is something majorly wrong with obamacare in order to put something together to fix it? >> no. i spent unfortunately for me hours with debate. you would think the republicans are rolling back civil rights. you would think republicans are putting people in chains. this was absolutely insane listen to the debate. everyone needs to step back from the brink. you were elected given a privilege to represent the american people. you are forgotten that. ashley: do you think this is overblown to a point? this is artif

we'll see what happens to paul ryan who we are about to hear from. paul ryan. steve forbes, veronica daguerre, of "the wall street journal," gary kaltbaum capital management and fox news contributor. steve, why didn't they do taxes first? imagine what they would have avoided? >> david, that is a huge question. also shows the republican leadership in congress, in the house in particular is too obedient to the congressional budget office and this crazy way they have of scoring. they thought if they did health care first they would have more points so to speak to do tax cuts instead of doing tax cuts, saying the heck with the cbo, the congressional budget, do what is right for the economy. david: you have read all the rules, they claim, the establishment republicans claim they could not go to tax cuts first. do they have a leg to stand on there? >> they can find a lot of fall der raul to say yes they do but bottom line, david, they appoint the parliamentarians, they write the rules, interpret rules, if they want to go seriously with tax cuts they should have done

it has worked for paul ryan. and only for paul ryan. you could have gone through the entire day of today's coverage of the story and not heard a single reference to that fact. "i had to brief the speaker first." that line. that quote. the fact that devin nunes went to paul ryan first has gone virtually completely unnoticed, except on this program last night, because devin nunes has kept talking and kept contradicting himself, suggesting he knows that donald trump himself was one of the people mentioned in the intelligence reports that he saw, then suggesting he doesn't know the names of the people who were mentioned in the intelligence reports that he saw, but it was easy to guess who they were. devin nunes keeps talking in confusing circles. and tonight devin nunes is clinging to the wreckage of his chairmanship. he might be able to put it back together. he might be able to hold on to that chairmanship. but he had better never get caught singing this again. "i had to brief the speaker first." joining us now, democratic congressman eric

rachel: everyone likes paul ryan in the house conference. the republican party is like that loud latino-italian family that has all their fights out in the open. i think the process is healthier and more transparent. in the end we'll get a better bill. lou: i'm sure he's a lovely fellow. but he's incompetent. he never achieved anything in congress. he hasn't passed significant legislation. he has been there for 18 years. two years as speaker. what do you say? rain rrp budget reform -- rachel: budget reform wasn't even a thought in the process until paul ryan. the democrats look united, but it's all under the surface and they rig their election. lou: who would want to fight with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer? rachel: they are going come back with a better bill. lou: who will be the speaker when they do? rachel: paul ryan will be the speaker. lou: the result has been crickets. what do you think, lou? gayle: i think rachel is right, paul ryan is your typical d.c. thought leader and not a do-leader. we were talking about the replacement for spe

ryan and what paul ryan said to him before he went to the white house. maybe if we put a breaking news baener that says nunes went to ryan first, someone might ask paul ryan about that. someone might ask devin nunes about that. they both have permanent invitations to come on this program to talk about it. for some reason they seem to be busy every night at this hour. today, casey hunt got close. she was a breath away from that question, when she got this much out of paul ryan on the questions of the day. >> should devin nunes recuse himself from the russia investigation. two, do you know the source of his information? >> no. and no. >> can you talk about exactly what you mean. [ inaudible question ] >> see how fast he ran away from that. wants to talk about health care. no and no. next reporter's question was about health care. that's the first hint of what paul ryan would say under noet -- -- casey hunt got us a peak into what paul ryan would say about his conversation with devin nunes before devin nunes went to the white house. he would say that he did

want paul ryan to step down as speaker? >> i did not talk to the president about the tweet. i'm just telling the truth there was no preplanning. >> why would he say watch her? >> because he loves judge jeanine. >> does he want paul ryan to step down or not? no, he doesn't. >> a ryan spokesman says mr. trump was clear his tweet was not meant to be a shout at the speaker. reince priebus believes steve bannon was very quick to spread stories about ryan which is not helpful to build relationships in capitol hill. >> joining us, political economist, greg valir, and cnn politics reporter eugene scott. good morning to both of you, eugene, take a bow, the tar heels i know you need a moment. >> cuff links. >> well done. because i'm a duke fan i'm going to start with greg. the blame game is in full order, who do you think the president blames for the failure of this health care bill? >> how much time do we have? >> who does he not blame? >> i guess the freedom caucus. deep down in he's a little angry ryan may have sold too opt mi opt

that's from house speaker paul ryan. look at this. states that 31 states who took the medicaid expansion, advantage of obamacare's medicaid expansion. one of those is the great state of arkansas. and arkansas' governor esa hutchison is joining me. thanks for joining us. >> it's really good to be with you today. >> so paul ryan is encouraged from what he sees in this congressional budget office report. are you encouraged? >> well, i was concerned before the cbo report came out, and i'm concerned about a cost shift to the states. and if you're looking at 20-some million that might be not covered based upon the cbo report, who is going to have to pick that up? it's either going to be individuals who are not covered, perhaps that's because their individual decision, but it also could be that they are going to have to have that emergency room care. and so i'm concerned about that cost shift to the state. clearly speaker ryan has a challenge ahead of him trying to keep the coalition together to get something passed because what we have does

he is want blaming paul ryan at all? there is no subtle campaign to undermine paul ryan? >> i've been in the oval office with the president and with the speaker more in the last couple of days than i ever thought. i've never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan for this. >> all right. are you going to repeal and replace obamacare before the end of this year? >> my guess is we will move on. >> you are not touching health care. >> when it fails, and it may be may, and it may be the end of this year, folks will come back and say --? this is no longer a hundred-day priority. >> the president has things he wants to accomplish and he's not going to wait for congress to sit around and do the right thing. when it breaks and chuck, it's going to break, they will come back to us and ask us to take it up again. >> i will leave it there. as tax reform gets under way i'll see you there again soon. mick mulvaney, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >>> it was tanked by a revolt in the house, but it was facing steep opposition in the senate, senator of utah and charli

paul ryan staked a lot on this. he wrapped himself around the president in the process and talked about they worked in lock step. sounds as if this was going down and paul ryan's name would be on it, he would take others with it. >> paul ryan was attached to the hip of donald trump. that started. they were not aligned with one another after the access hollywood tape last fall. paul ryan said some very negative things about the republican candidate at that stage. you never thought they would meet. once they got a republican in the white house, everybody said we have unified government. paul ryan has said this a thousand times the past couple years since he's been in leadership, since he's been the speaker. he said look, we have to have unified government to move this big issues. tax reform, repealing and replace obamacare. they stumbled very badly today. something i want to point to. it is a four-year term for the president. you always have these hiccups early on. i don't know if sometimes they can maybe resuscitate

he doesn't blame paul ryan. in fact, he thought paul ryan worked really hard. he enjoys his relationship with paul ryan. he thinks that paul ryan is a great speaker of the house. >> so very kind words coming from the chief of staffer and others in the white house. but the big question here going forward, fred, the proof is in the pudding. can the white house work well with speaker ryan and with the entire republican caucus in the house and in the senate in the end to get done some of the big things they want to get done. and we'll just have to wait and see if they can. >> athena jones, thank you. so. >>> let's discuss with our panel now, jeffrey lorde and the democratic national committeeman. hello, the el l hello. jeffrey, let's begin with you. the president likes to call himself the closer and to make deals. should he be to blame for not closing this deal on health care? >> no, i don't think this is over by a long shot. this is like tom brady saying he's lost at halftime. there's a long way to go. i'm looking over here at a trump book called "never give up."

, it's paul ryan's fault. >> very interesting. curt bardella, appreciate it. you know, you've been on the inside. >>> republicans this morning are dealing with the cbo report that says 24 million americans more will be uninsured if their repeal or replace bill passes. in just a few minutes, democrats have a chance to speak. we'll hear from house minority leader nancy pelosi. stick around. we'll bring you those comments live. isjust wanna see ifa again? my score changed... you wanna check yours? scores don't change that much. i haven't changed. oh, really? ♪ it's girls' night they said business casual. i love summer weddings! oh no. yeah, maybe it is time. maybe i should check my credit score. try credit karma. it's free. oh woah. that's different. check out credit karma today. credit karma. give yourself some credit. you may be muddling through allergies.oned with... try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin®. because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. try zyrtec®. mu

paul ryan said he wouldn't defend then candidate trump. take a listen. >> there are two things i want to make really clear. i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. you know i have concerns about the nominee. >> reporter: at the time, donald trump called paul ryan a weak and ineffective leader. we reached out to the house speakers office as well and they gave a statement saying the world is aware of this history and obviously a lot happened since then. the reason, stephanie, more broadly this is relevant and important is this underscores what we were talking about a second ago, that rift, that divide that exists between donald trump and paul ryan and between trumpism and ryanism, in a way. >> the divide between paul ryan and members of the party. somebody h t ha taped that conversation. one group that is watching th and eating popcorn, democrats. they haven't had to step up to the plate. we are going to take a break. when we come back, we go back to the blizzard pounding the northeast. i was jut out in rockefeller

paul ryan and jeff sessions. devin nunes yesterday and i thought what was a remarkable statement said he had seen no evidence of -- to back up the president's wiretapping claim. this is a close associate of president trump. someone part of his transition and then went on to say we shouldn't take the man literally. this man possesses the nuclear codes and can start a war if he show sew choo so chooses. >> i will say as charlie dent told me, this speaks to credibility then when the president now says there's evidence and he'll provide it within two weeks, what do you make of that, ned? what evidence could that be and regarding what? from your experience, at the nsc and being an assistant to the president, what's the possibility here? >> last night the so-called evidence the president provided was what he has previously decried as fake news. the failing "new york times," the very "new york times" article that his own chief of staff reince priebus previously dismissed and said was false. so if more evidence is to com

paul ryan -- sad. ( laughter ) and now, paul ryan may have been the bill's architect, but the person who ran on obamacare repeal, in all 50 states, was the carrot cake commander himself, donald j. trump. and luckily for ryan -- luckily for ryan -- trump aimed his blame elsewhere. >> i want to thank paul ryan. he worked very, very hard. i will tell you that. he worked very, very hard. we had no democrat support. we had no votes from the democrats. they weren't going to give us a single vote, so it's a very difficult thing to do. >> trevor: unbelievable. i love this guy. he's legitimately mad that the democrats wouldn't vote to repeal obamacare's health care bill. "and what's worse, democrats wouldn't vote for my bill to legally change chuck schumer's maim to butt sniffer the cuck. whatever happened to bipartisan ship, folks, it's dead, it's gone ." ( laughter ) i was surprised president trump didn't blame paul ryan at all. saturday morning came around and donald trump tweeted watch judge jeanine on newspaper tonight's at 9:00 p.m. i was like, okay, i don't know judge jeanine, but if t

paul ryan, yes, i have a soul. our panel remains with me. >> robert costa, it is your new reporting that started all of this off. what's going on between the white house and which elements of the white house and the speaker. >> on the service, the relationship is cordial and professional between the white house and the speaker. the president had a 4:00 call today with speaker ryan. there are a lot of forces. we talk about the freedom causes and congress. my colleague really zoned in tonight of the populist. >> all the different people that we detail in our article tonight are telling the white house and trump himself to back away. >> ali velshi, is the head lain of this plan we know it is dead and that's the effort to name it ryan care on its way to the grave. >> it is interesting how this did not play well. the white house thought it would go over better with conservatives. the problem is healthcare is something that you have to think about ideologically. either you believe everybody should have healthcare and eve

he is want blaming paul ryan at all? there is no subtle campaign to undermine paul ryan? >> i've been in the oval office with the president and with the speaker more in the last couple of days than i ever thought. i've never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan for this. >> all right. are you going to repeal and replace obamacare before the end of this year? >> my guess is we will move on. >> you are not touching health care. >> when it fails, and it may be may, and it may be the end of this year, folks will come back and say --? this is no longer a hundred-day priority. >> the president has things he wants to accomplish and he's not going to wait for congress to sit around and do the right thing. when it breaks and chuck, it's going to break, they will come back to us and ask us to take it up again. >> i will leave it there. as tax reform gets under way i'll see you there again soon. mick mulvaney, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >>> it was tanked by a revolt in the house, but it was facing steep opposition in the senate, senator of utah and charli

we'll bring the paul ryan news conference to you as soon as it gets started. we'll have live coverage here on c-span. until then, back to your calls. dennis on the line for independents in texas. hi, dennis. caller: hello, how are you today? host: good. caller: great. i'm 70. i retired from at&t. i have signa health care. i'm very happy with my coverage. the constitution does not say anywhere that it is the government's responsibility to furnish health care for the american people. now, as far as health care , i g a right or a privilege don't believe it's a right. like the second amendment. because that is in the constitution. if a person does not have health care and their only job that does not furnish that, it go heir responsibility to to a company that has health care or maybe go back -- go to night school and get a better education so you can afford health care. but the not the government's responsibility -- it's not the government's responsibility to give health care to anyone. we have too many programs now, people on welfare and people that are perpetua

he said that he thought paul ryan worked very hard, he enjoys his relationship with paul ryan, thinks paul ryan is the great speaker of the house. >> reporter: another endorsement for speaker paul ryan and the white house is going to have to figure out how to deal with not just democrats but with house conservatives and with moderate republicans in the house. we heard the chief of staff talking about working across the aisle. but the question is does this brom throwing, harsh words from the president in tweets both towards the house and the democrats conducive to working together. as congressman poe said, we're going to have to work together to get anything accomplished. >>> now to those committee and congress hearings trying to find out if there's an improper connection among people close to trump in russia, and we were supposed to hear testimony from more top administration officials tuesday but this man shut that hearing down. the house chairman, california republican devin nunes canning it, at least one ray allen calling for nunes to step down. and a statement from mike quigley si

and paul ryan did the same. so, look, the fact that he's publicly willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with ryan on this and sort of admit defeat, admit that this didn't work, and he went out of his way to attempt a deflection game. i don't know if it's going to work in the long run, but saying, hey, health care is on democrats now, it's on democrats. but there is something else to read between the lines there, brian, that i know this about this white house and him right now, and his way of throwing out an invitation to democrats. he basically admitted, this is very difficult to do without the help of democrats. well, it wasn't exactly repealing obamacare, that isn't exactly a way to reach out to democrats. but he is basically saying, any democrat that wants to come to me with an idea of messing around with obamacare, he may listen. and it may not happen next week or next month, but if he's -- if the lesson he's taken away from this is, he needs to have a better relationship with democrats in congress if he's g

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he doesn't blame paul ryan. he thought paul ryan worked really hard. he enjoys his relationship with r pr and thinks he's a a great speaker of the house. >> kind of an interesting dynamic we're seeing here. is president trump essentially being put between his base right wing media sites like breitbart the man responsible for pushing his agenda through. >> by the way, i don't doubt what priebus is saying there. we're sort of looking to see how much is the president actually aligned with ryan. one of the reasons we don't believe the words coming out of the president's mouth is because there is a bit of a credibility issue with this administration. but you look at where the president is now thinking about future legislation. he has not only the democrats, who he has to go up against, he has the freedom caucus and the far right wing of the caucus and demonstrated in his test of trying to pass legislation that they are willing to stare him down and to say no do to this the. he needs paul ryan. he needs to decide is he going to tack further to the right and

we heard speaker of the house paul ryan blaming this on growing pains. president trump blaming this on democrats. but at the end of the day, this vote did not happen. they had to pull the bill because they didn't have the support within their own party. president trump and house republican leaders tonight are grappling with a staggering health care defeat. >> it is postponed. >> reporter: the gop's long promised plan to repeal and replace the affordable care act pulled from the house floor after leaders determined the proposal lacked enough support to pass. >> we came really close today, but we came up short. i spoke to the president just a little while ago and i told him that the best thing i think to do is to pull this bill and he agreed with that decision. >> reporter: it was a stunning turn of events coming less than 24 hours after the president issued an ultimatum to house republicans to move forward with the vote or he was ready to move on to other items on his agenda. >> it's not a question of, gee, i hope it does well. i would love it to do well.

it's up to paul ryan. it's a political statement more than anything. >> joe biden used to have this saying a statement by his value, don't tell me your values, show me your budget. it's a devaluation of the state department and a massive escalation of the stick at the expense of the carrot. >> will paul ryan keep the safety net for some of these people do you think? >> pbs, public broadcasting. >> and the second big part of this is we're seeing what that promise to drain the swamp really manse. -- means. it means getting rid of the career civil servants who dedicated their lives to specific issues to try to better the community. let's explain what discretionary means. where we're cutting are investments on our future. it's not just poor people, it's investments in transportation and educating the next generation of children. >> mick mulvaney was asked about the idea that members of the federal workforce will lose their jobs. his answer was essentially we're not makinghis budget for people who live in the b

he thought paul ryan worked really hard, enjoys his relationship with paul ryan, thinks that paul ryan is a great speaker of the house. none of that has changed. this is more of a personal relationship, the president helping out a friend. >> chris: i assume the friend was judge janine, not paul ryan. >> reince: both of them are. in regards to the tweet, yes. >> chris: i want to pick up on somebody else. here's what "the new york times" reports today about the president's reaction to his defeat. i'm sure you've seen this this morning. in a search for scapegoats, he, the president, asked his advisors repeatedly, whose fault was this? increasingly, the flame has fallen on reince priebus, the chief of staff who coordinated initial legislative strategy on the health care bill with mr. ryan. this is a comment similar to that in "the washington post" today. obviously people are saying it. are you in trouble? >> reince: i'm not trouble. i've got a great relationship with the president, we talk all the time. just before coming on the set he gave me a call. this is gossip pounds, and it's always

speaker paul ryan briefed president trump today. made the call to pull the healthcare bill and after it was over, ryan expressed regret. >> this is a disappointing day for us. doing big things is hard. all of us. all of us, myself included, we need time to reflect on how we got to this moment, what welcomed have done to do it better. >> the white house says congressional republicans didn't go down without a fight. some of the conservatives said they were going to vote no, and it wasn't just a conservative problem with moderates saying they didn't like it either. >> i'm an opponent. i will be voting no today. i don't think it lowers premiums. that's what the american people want. i think the democrats should come to the table on this issue. they are responsible for obama care and so far, they have refused to do so. >> top democrats called today a victory for the affordable care act, obama care. >> the bill went down today because the majority of the representatives of the american people in the house of representatives thought this w

he'll have to trust paul ryan to do it. will he trust paul ryan going forward? significant policy differences between house republicans and senate republicans and he'll have to referee that. >> that's where we're going to go next. if you're paul ryan do you think the president really has your back after what he did yesterday? i think not. up next, growing pains or irreconcilable differences. who knew the republican party is complicated. first though police say the darnedest things, supreme court confirmation edition. >> john hancock is now synonymous with a signature. no one remembers who john hancock was but they know that that's a signature. because he wrote his name so bigley and boldly. >> you just said bigley. >> i did. >> and -- and i just won five bucks. >> you embarrassed me in front of my nephew, and he loves it. he's the one paying me the five bucks. be taken care of. to home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes.... even a claim sati

this bill was a paul ryan bill. this wasn't a donald trump bill even though in the end he came to embrace it. he didn't do it as wholeheartedly. maggie, correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems to me that in his tone today he wasn't as angry as he seemed to be after jeff sessions recused himself, you know, from dealing on anything with russia that the anger that we've sometimes seen pop up just wasn't there, and i think the republicans cared more about losing this than donald trump did. >> i think you're right in theory in the sense when i spoke to him his demeanor was pretty calm, as i said very disciplined and on message. but as we also know -- not taking anything away from that, but we know based on history he has a habit of kind of stewing a little while. >> we'll see tomorrow. >> heading into a friday night. saturday, he lives alone, will be alope in the white house residence watching television, possibly right now. how this all plays out i think is going to affect it. i think he was a little gob smacked. i don't

lou: tonight, house speaker paul ryan exposed. shocking new audio showing the speaker's disdain and disloyalty for then presidential candidate donald trump. >> i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. lou: and take up here tonight the house of representatives for new leadership. we take that up with congressman chris collins, leading republican randy evans. >>> and growing calls to purge the deep state. saboteurs and subversives trying to bring down the trump administration and they must be stopped. judicial watch's christopher ferrell says it's time to fire all of the obama leftovers before they do more harm to the trump administration. >>> good evening, everybody. white house press secretary sean spicer says president trump is extremely confident that the justice department will find evidence the obama administration wiretapped him before the election. >> i think he's extremely confident. there have been i mtied this before, i'll let them do their job and the house and senate and the d.o.j. report this,

he thought paul ryan worked onship with paul ryan, thinks that paul ryan is a great speaker of the house. none of that has chaed relationship, the president helping out a friend.: i assumed was judge tweet, yes. >> chris: i want to pick up onhs morning. in a sea increasingly, the mr. an i'm not i'm looking forward to >> chris: let's talk aboutwhat'd thatican party way. paul ryan, particularly when it comes to the border adjustment tax and tax reform in general? >> reince: it not at all. moving forward the president's vision online taxes is going to unite not just the republican party, but i think some democrats will come on board as well. we can provide one of of this c, that's impornt president as ahen parties. s between russia andtr ty and und. >> chris: there was also up trump campaign some either. i think it's a big problem and i think leak over the place. i've been ng, they came into russian contacts and collusion they are injuring the president, it's wrong, and people should be prosecuted. as to whether or not to the first party of your question conspiracy, there's potentially some

paul ryan's idea. i think it's a little silly, this day, symbolism of ending it on the day it was passed by obama seven years ago but also i think they want to avoid the inspe specter of the town halls. >> three words put us in the situation we are right now. repeal and replace. absolutism of following that phrase is why we're here. not fix and replace, it's repeal and replace. >> panel will be back. back from the break, two congressmen at odds over the gop's health care bill. what are their next steps after tomorrow's vote? excuse me, are you aware of what's happening right now? we're facing 20 billion security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports. we can identify threats 50% faster. you can do that? we can do that. then do that. can we do that? we can do that. find fast relief behind the counter allergies with nasal congestion? with claritin-d

are blaming paul ryan. you mentioned the immediate aftermath of the election where everyone was calling trumpflation or reflation. now it is looking pretty good. back to the inflation component, the trade that is sensitive to the idea of a reflationary environment, or getting a different picture? cameron: we are kind of in a cause mode, fixed income -- pause mode, fixed income. you have the fed announcement, we are back in the old range. maybe that is a tactical issue of people who are underweight or short, taking some profit, but if you look at the oil story is another one, it has been a supply factor that has brought the oil price down, but oil going sideways to lower is not consistent with the reflation story, with copper and iron ore. it is a broad pause, but you often see that in march, trending the first couple months of the year often give something back in march before reasserting themselves in the spring. scarlet: a quick note to that we are awaiting speaker ryan to address the public. he was sched

but reince priebus and paul ryan need to stay. they need to start listening to mitch mcconnell. >> new presidents usually bring in people who know the town. this is what happens when you staff the west wing with idealogues. >> i think the problem is a lack of experience on capitol hill. for the president, it's, you know, he doesn't understand the policy details. for paul ryan, i think it's been the story that's been told is, he didn't sell this well. he didn't talk to journalists beforehand or the policy community. and i think that was perhaps the biggest flaw, and the biggest mistake. >> t biggest knock you hear on paul ryan, and it rings true, tom, an incredible policy wonk who hates politics and he took a job that was all politics. he knew he wasn't as suited for it as others wanted him to be. >> i think he's been really wounded in all of this, quite honestly. he'll obviously continue as the speaker, nobody else wants that job. i'm quite surprised by, i hesitate to use the phrase, naivete on his part, gosh, we didn't know it wa

he told robert costa, i don't blame paul ryan. but behind the scenes we're already seeing some of the finger pointing. senior administration officials are telling me, my colleague jeremy diamond that it was paul ryan's decision, the house speaker's decision to pull the bill, that he made clear earlier in this meeting with trump that the votes weren't there and that was his recommendation. meanwhile, though, we're hearing from house leadership airds that ultimately the final decision was the president's to pull the bill. so, there is a little bit of sort of this blame game that's already going on. i think a couple things are clear, though, wolf. one, the president did not make the sell here. he touted himself as the ultimate deal maker. he couldn't get this deal done. he couldn't get the votes to make it happen. and, two, this wasn't what the president wanted to be focusing on. he wanted to move on. he wanted to go to tax reform. i think that calls into question whether we are going to see another crack at health care any time soon

paul ryan to said that on capitol hill, they want to move on to other agenda items. the repeal of obamacare was the it made it toy the house of representatives in the first place. and one of the reasons donald trump was elected. the promise was to do this first and move on to other matters. we will have to wait and see whether this hurts donald trump and republican significantly. and whether this disappoints the voters enough. many of them voted these will into office for that reason alone. we know this repeal, had it been successful in the house and senate, it would have made health insurance more expensive for quite a few people and would have left a lot of people in the united states without health insurance. they may very well get to keep their health insurance. and they may find out they like obamacare. little bit too early to analyze that 100%. one things fora 03/24/17 03/24/17 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from pacifica, this is democracy now! >> percent employ five years, we have been promising the american people we will repeal and replac

>> yeah, it's certainly a get for donald trump and for paul ryan. maybe a bigger defeat for paul ryan and the top three republicans who were responsible really for getting the votes that they need to pass legislation. so this is a defeat for them. but as i've said all along, needed to work with dems. you have to work with dems swellings republicans. you have to have a broad coalition of support to really best serve the american people. this bill would have looked different anyway if it had passed and gone to the senate. it would have been changed anyway. you have to address medicaid expansion. you can't leave out work poor people and people who are drug addicted and the folks least article to provide for themselves. you have to have a way to take care of those folks. and you have to be talking to democrats about how to get that done. so it's a defeat. >> rick, weigh in here. how realistic that they can actually work together and work with the democrats to get something passed? >> i think it's a little difficult right now. there is hyper partisanship

paul ryan is not that type of person. paul ryan is more methodical, more of a think tank type, president trump is more of a shoot from the hip. on a lot of these issues, it's going to be a long four years. >> both want power. speaker ryan will go along with anything because he wants power. >> he didn't go along with that. >> he didn't go along with it as he was the nominee. but he knows he's the president, he's speaker of the house, now he can drive his agenda with trump sitting there. they like power period. >> trump has -- paul ryan is the policy heart and soul of the party. this conflict with trump, if they continue to butt heads, it could fundamentally change the way the party goes. >> and there is a group within the white house, reince priebus, who also has ties to wisconsin, a number of rnc people within the white house who are going to be more in this paul ryan camp. >> the white house is giving itself wiggle room on that wiretapping claim. this is not to be gratuitous because it's me asking the press secretary thi