gchq says it's needed. but it does acknowledge there needs to be greater public understanding of what really goes on here. gordon corera, bbc news, inside gchq. the showjumper nick skelton, who was britain's oldest olympic gold medallist at the rio games last year, is to retire. he was competing at his seventh games — 17 years after a broken neck forced his initial retirement. katie gornall went to meet nick and his olympic winning horse big star. if ever there was someone for whom age isjust a number, it is nick skelton. last summer in vod showjumper became britain's second old est showjumper became britain's second oldest olympic gold medallist but now with his 60th birthday on the horizon, skelton and his famous horse big star will be taking things a bit easier. i think any sportsman will be telling you that you think it will be going on for ever and you never want to stop, but you have two at some point. no better time to stop them when you are at the top. he has spent four decades at the top of his s

gordon corera, bbc news, inside gchq. pepsi has pulled its latest advert, starring the model kendalljenner, and apologised for missing the mark. many had complained the video was tone—deaf, and mocked and undermined the black lives matter protesters. pepsi said they were trying to project a global message of unity, peace and understanding. elaine dunkley with the story. # we are the chosen. # we're going to shine... it is a global brand that's caused a global backlash. # we are the lions. # we are the chosen... supermodel kendalljenner handing a can of pepsi to a police officer during a protest. pepsi says the message was about harmony, but it has caused outrage on social media. they've basically set this advert in a protest situation. donald trump just got elected, black lives matter‘s just fresh of the boat. and i think people have a right to be upset, because essentially pepsi's just gone out and said, "with a can of pepsi, we can fix and heal the world". and that's just not true. in america, this is the reality of

gordon corera, bbc news, inside gchq. pepsi has announced it‘s discountinued a controversial advert starring the model kendalljenner and apologised for "missing the mark." viewers had complained that the video undermined the black lives matter movement. pepsi argued it was trying to project a "global message of unity, peace and understanding" as our correspondent, elaine dunkley, reports. # we are the chosen. # we‘re going to shine... it‘s a global brand that‘s caused a global backlash. # we are the lions. # we are the chosen. supermodel kendalljenner handing a can of pepsi to a police officer during a protest. pepsi says the message was about harmony, but it‘s caused outrage on social media. they‘ve basically set this advert in a protest situation. donald trump just got elected, black lives matter‘s just fresh of the boat. i think people have a right to be upset because essentially pepsi‘s just gone out and said — "with a can of pepsi we can fix and heal the world," and that‘s just not true. in americ

gchq stands for government communication headquarters. that's a deliberately obscure name that's not supposed to attract attention. they started fairly small, as a cryptography outfit in britain. in world war ii it became very, very important. in world war ii, the nazis used a machine called enigma to encrypt their sensitive communications. it was widely thought to be unbreakable. in fact it was important that the germans believed enigma was unbreakable. it was inpenetrable as a coding device. the nazis sent their communications using these enigma machines. one of the great british intelligenceects oworld war ii is that secretly during the war the gchq had hacked, had cracked the enigma. jaermds had no idea, but the brits were able to read the germans's most secret communications, and that's why part of world war ii ended the way it did. that part of british intelligence apparatus responsible for cracked enigma, the geniuses who cracked the nazi code, that agency is now gchq. now they are much more high profile and gigantic. they have tho

from the people inside its electronic spy headquarters called gchq, government communications headquarters, in a small town outside london. abc news was the first american television network whose cameras were allowed inside. our tour guide, known to us only by his first name anthony, started by showing us a bit of spy history. the nazi german code machine, the enigma, which the british famously found a way to compromise. >> everybody always tries to have secrets. >> reporter: then on to the gchq crisis center where analysts spend 24 hours a damon forring cyber attacks from around the world. officials told us this map shows hacking attacks coming from china against great britain in just one two-minute time period. >> some attacks will get through, so our job is to manage those cyber attacks so they do as little damage as possible. >> reporter: kiran martin is head of the newly created national cyber security operation which spends a lot of time tracking recognition government-sponsored hackers. >> i think we've seen a significant increase in russian aggression in cyber space the past two y

there might have been some planning effort because gchq has been rushing in recent weeks and months to update its candidates list under the radar. so to my mind, the conservatives look ina to my mind, the conservatives look in a little bit better shape than labour and the in a little bit better shape than labourand the lib in a little bit better shape than labour and the lib dems, in a little bit better shape than labourand the lib dems, who in a little bit better shape than labour and the lib dems, who have beena labour and the lib dems, who have been a bit more court on the hoof. certainly with labour, they had a long meeting with their governing body to date and decide the rules. i think all parties nowjust need to get bodies in every seat ready to get bodies in every seat ready to get going. it'sjust seven weeks. the financial times front page is mr corbyn, he is in croydon, a marginal constituency. the caption at the top, "call to arms, corbyn targets the rich as mps vote to set election clock ticking, he clearly feels of course that he can win. he is supported, surrounded by the

gchq and british intelligence looking and trying to figure out what hostel intelligence services are doing in great britain in this case most likely the russian there was incidental collection just like we had in the united states apparently. what happens in these circumstances is that information is then passed to the u.s. government and ends up with the fbi. and the british service really doesn't have much to do with it beyond that except that they're of course making sure that we don't -- we try to protect sources and methods just as we would protect ours. but it's important to note, don, this the whole idea that somebody may have reached out to gchq as i think the current administration or said. we cannot ask a foreign intelligence service to do something that would be illegal for an american law enforcement organization to do. that whole theory if it's out there doesn't really fly. >> it makes you wonder when people are coming up with the theories about how to you know make all of this work or make the president's initial tweet right, if they understand how these processes work.

when sean spicer cited a fox news report, but it was really a judge andrea napolitano report that used gchq to spy on trump, does in of this information in any way support that claim? >> let me echo what phil was saying. here is what didn't happen, and here is what i would have great difficulty imagining what happened. any administration in the united states reaching out to one of our foreign allies. of course the brits are very, very close to them. but nevertheless it is a foreign government and saying hey, i have a adversary. i'd like you to collect against those americans and pass that information on. that's not going to happen. the stuff that spicer and others might come up with in terms of gchq or other of our allies, some administration of the obama administration went outside the chain of command and asked a foreign intelligence service to spy against an american citizen? i mean, come on. that's not serious. >> phil, we can't quite get a straight answer out of carter page and whether or not he discussed the easing of u.s. sanctions with the russians when he was there last year. if it

it's important to note that the whole idea that somebody may have reached out to gchq as the current administration implied or openly said, it would be illegal. we cannot ask a foreign intelligence service to do something that would be illegal for an american, you u.s. intelligence or law enforcement organization to do. so that whole theory if it's out there doesn't really fly. >> it makes you wonder when people are coming up with the theories about how to, you know, make all of this work or make the president's initial tweet right if they understand how the processes work. >> yeah. and i would say that, you know, if you are making claims like, you know, some -- the obama administration or really any administration, past or present, reaches out to a foreign intelligence service and asks, hey, can you spy on an american for us? that is just ludicrous on all sorts of different levels. legally, morally. it just wouldn't happen. yeah, it speaks to really not understanding how the whole system works. >> matthew, twint ask you. this steve mentioned the five eyes. so the u.s. and uk are par

administration's outlandish claim that obama had wiretapped him using the british spying agency know as gchq. nsa director mike rogers responded forcefully to that claim. >> did you ever request that your counterparts in gchq should wiretap mr. trump on behalf of president obama? >> no, sir, nor would i. >> seth: there you have it, america. you can either trust the director of the national security agency or the guy who thinks tap is spelled with two ps. [ laughter ] all of this, of course, raises the question once again of where the president gets his information. because we are now at the point where the crazy things the president says are making their way to the halls of congress and wasting the time of allies, intelligence officials, and the fbi director. so last week on fox news, trump was asked a very simple question of what he reads and watches and gave this convoluted answer. >> what do you read? what do you watch? >> well, you know, i love to read. actually, i'm looking at a book. i'm reading a book. i'm trying to get started. every time i do about a half a page i get a phone call t

a change in quantity of information, but even then, the fbi's index card system was massive, as was gchq and others, so it is about 10-15 years later when you get the relational databases that that begins changing as an information process issue. thank you.: i would love to talk more about this with you. actually our ambition is to take the project into the 1990's, mid 1990's, when you have the internet and everything, so we try to trace this development through from the late 1960's through the 1990's. thank you. hall, question for john. it has to do with the relationship during the cold war of the fbi's counterintelligence and other agencies domestically and in our allied community. the question is this, i'm guessing that that relationship was it over time, but very much on a case-by-case basis? did the relationship change depending on the case, or in one period it was like this or that? mr. fox: it is a good question. i would not. periodize it. is on aedge is that it case-by-case, organization by organization. ize cia, i think we can period e it. fbing the period when the has official

the white house all but accused gchq of helping president obama wiretap donald trump. i mean, was thatjustified? did it damage the five eyes alliance? again, there are a lot of things that have been said and tweeted and whatever that ijust — i am mystified over. as to why they were done. if at the end of these investigations, into the leaks, it is found that there has been leaks by cia officers themselves, they will undermine their own organisation. they will undermine the organisation that you've served for all these years, if that's found to be the case. anybody who releases classified information, whether it be to a foreign intelligence service or to the media, to me, is carrying out a treasonous act against their country. they should be held to account. there have been instances where cia officers in the past, just like british intelligence officers of the past, have gone bad. the deep state. well, no. these are individuals who have violated their oath of office. you don't believe in the deep state? i do not, absolutely not. that's ridiculous that there's a deep

we know that the gchq and the european agencies have been really watching the russians very, very closely because they know about their argument activities in europe. that's one way that the u.s. intelligence agencies were first alerted about these communications and contacts, john. >> latest twist. let's come back to the room. on the one hand you say that's how it's supposed to work. these are our allies. but then you think about you're sitting at the cia or national intelligence agencies and you get a call from the brits or another european agency and they say we're going to send you something on somebody who's close to donald trump on the phone. i mean, this is a little out of a bond movie. >> you think about the analysts. they have meddling russia's meddling in democracies for years. they're thinking this is russia taking the playbook that is used in europe and exporting it to america. not exactly shocking. what might be shocking depending on what they picked up is how close the ties were to one of the major campaigns. >> at a moment when nobody thought donald trump was going to win.

officials tell cnn these sources stress at no point did western intelligence, including the britain gchq, target these trump associates. instead, their communications were picked up as incidental collection during routine surveillance of known russian targets. the u.s. and britain are part of the so-called five eyes agreement along with canada, australia and new zealand, which calls for open sharing among member nations of a broad range of intelligence. this new information comes as former trump foreign policy advisor carter page provides a confusing and conflicting story about his contacts with russian intelligence. he has denied that he was a formen agent. >> this is -- it's just such a joke it's beyond wards. >> reporter: page said when he visited russia last july he never discussed easing relations on russia. >> did you ever talk with anyone there about maybe president trump, if he were elected, then kpa candidate trump, would be willing to get rid of the sanctions. >> never any direct conversations such as that. >> i don't know what that means, direct conversations. >> i'm saying --

including gchq were not proactively targeted members of the trump team but picked up the communication during what is known as incidental collection, these sources tell us. as with u.s. intelligence, european intelligence detected multiple communications over several months between the trump associates and russian individuals. the u.s. and britain are part of the so-called five eyes agreement along with canada, australia and new zealand, and that calls for open sharing among the member nations of a broad range of intelligence. i should note this because, of course, you have kongs willal and fbi investigations going on in this. a source close to the congressional investigations of russian involvement in u.s. elections -- in the u.s. presidential election tells me foreign intelligence agencies share with u.s. intelligence relevant to the investigation, then of course the intelligence committee will look at it. as you have the house and senate, of course the fbi, this is more information into that pot showing communications. the question is what happened during those communications, speci

emphasizing that gchq in great britain and other intelligence agencies in europe were not procedure actively targeting any members of the trump team or donald trump himself, but rather picked up these communications during what's known as incidental collection. that is, monitoring other officials, in this case these russian officials and during that incidental collection it picked um conversations with the trump associates according to sources and now the fbi is using this information passed along as part of its counterintel probe of possibly coordination between russians and trump associates. >> pamela braugher repoown repo us. cnn breaking that development. appreciate it. >>> and bring in our panel. cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief fear the daily beast," and senior eder of "the atlantic" and politics eder at "the root" also at morgan state university. jackie, start with you. certainly smoke is getting thicker regarding possible collusion between the trump campaign and russian officials. is there any fire yet? >> i think depends who you talk to, but really this, because of

these sources stress that at no point did western intelligence, including britain's gchq which is responsible for communication surveillance, target these trump associates. instead, their communications were picked up as incidental collection during routine surveillance of known rush arean targets. the u.s. and britain are part of the so-called five eyes agreement along with canada, australia and new zealand which calls for open sharing among member nations of a broad range of intelligence. this new information comes as former trump foreign policy adviser carter paige provides confusing and conflicting stories about contacts with russian intelligence. he has denied he was a foreign agent. >> this is such a joke it is beyond words. >> reporter: page told cnn's jake tapper when he visited russia last july he never discussed easing sanctions on russia. >> did you talk with anyone there about maybe president trump if he were elected, then candidate trump, would be willing to get rid of the sanctions? >> never any direct conversations such as that. i mean, look, it is -- >> what do you mean direct

these sources stress that at no point did western intelligence, including britain's gchq, responsible for uk surveillance, target these associates. instead their communications were picked up as incidental selection during surveillance of known russian targets. it's part of five eyes, including canada, use australia and britain. carter page provides a confusing, even conflicting story acts his contacts with russian intelligence. >> it's just such a joke that it's beyond words. >> reporter: he told jake tapper he never discussed easing sanctions on russia related to the seizing of crimea. >> did you talk to anybody about he would be willing to get rid of the sanctions? >> never any conversations such as that. i mean, look -- >> what do you mean direct -- i don't know what that means. direct conversations. >> i'm saying no that was never said, no. >> but interviewed on abc news this morning, page could not provide a clear answer. >> something may have come up in a con -- i have no recollection and there's nothing specifically that i would have done that would have given people that impr

and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it's going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it's going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. >> are people in the trump administration, pompeo and tillerson who are trying to go legit, as activists who move from one country to another kind of work. and they are trying to hem the president in. one of the interesting questions, and we'll be studying this in political science for a long

the british and european intelligence agencies including gchq in britain were not pro actively targeting any members of the trump team, sources say but rather picked them up during what's call incidental collection. which means monitoring these russian officials, officials overseas. that is how this came to light overseas in europe and then was, of course, shared with u.s. counterparts as part of the five eyes agreement and we've learned the fbi is using this information passed along as part of its counterintel probe of possible coordination between russians and trump associates. back to you. >> thank you for all of that information. talk about that very soon. >>> so was that massive bomb we just saw in afghanistan a sign of how the president will ramp up the war on terror? we are talking live to a republican congressman and veteran mike kaufman, next. but first things first- timcall trugreen,ed. america's #1 professional lawn care company. millions of homeowners like you trust us to give them a lawn they can live on. start your trugreen lawn plan today for only $29.95. does your child n

today the guardian newspaper reported the british intelligence organization gchq, quote, first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents. this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. well, sources also told the guardian that, quote, the fbi and the cia were slow to appreciate the extensive nature of contacts between trump's team and moscow. what do you make of -- you were head of cia, director of cia. what do you think of what we know? can you have a conversation if you're a carter page or you're a manafort, a paul manafort, someone connected to an american presidential candidate? can you have a conversation on the phone or in person with a russian intel person without our intel people knowing about it? >> well, you know, i can only tell you from my own experience as director of the cia that clearly our intelligence was focused primarily on our adversaries, whether it's russia, whether it was iran, whether it's china, whether it's isis, whether it's north korea

even at 1.1 of our sources said the head of gchq which is the british version of the nsa, had a meeting, personal meeting with john brennan, director of the cia. >> what do we know about that meeting? >> that it concerned this intelligence and that it was thought to be significant enough to warrant a meeting at director level. >> fascinating stuff, the reporting today. julian, thank you so much to you and your reporting team. matt, always good to see you. and still to come, a flurry of reversals by president trump. is it a sign that a major player could be on the way out? >>> and when it rains, it pours. united airlines already, of course, under fire for this dragging incident. now a report you are not going to believe. so, what are these? a scorpion stung a passenger on a united flight, seriously. that plus the latest on united's potential legal problems coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ take on the mainstream. introducing nissan's new midnight edition. ♪ but with my back pain i couldn't sleep or get up in time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain re

wanted to get it done but there were delays with the network, with the design, it had to be referred to gchq for security reasons because of the data was being passed around and it has delayed things so to meet the target and get enough meters in and of homes by 2020, they went with the old standard and are still fitting them. they may not work with this new network, they may have to be replaced, i stress the word may. what has the government said? they did not deny this, they said, " our expectation that all these type one meters will be enrolled and work with this new network." the network themselves are saying they are consulting and it is about how this can be done but neither would guarantee that all these old meters woodwork. when i said they would have to be replaced, nobody would deny that. there is a danger they will and that will put up the cost for every meter being fitted and a few million meters will add a few 100 million maybe £1 billion the cost and a technology expert said to me earlier that it may mean the whole thing is not viable. it sounds like that is looming. thank you

recovered safe from a hard drive, which is in another language and heavily encrypted and it involves gchq. say it is an international part. there is nothing at the moment to say that is nothing at the moment to say that is what it is. we have to be careful not to get sucked into hyperbole. let's stick with the facts. a single individual has been arrested at 14:22pm, on suspicion of acts of terrorism and two knives have been recovered in his possession and he is being held at south london. frank gardner, thank you very much indeed. we can bring in our correspondent at the scene. tell us where you are in relation to what has been happening. iam in relation to what has been happening. i am in the centre of the government area of london on whitehall, looking down about 200 yards from the houses of parliament and in the other direction about 200 yards away from downing street. if i step out of the way you can see what is going on at the moment. they have been working on the traffic island. they have been picking up various objects. we have seen a brown backpack that has been picked up and at l

. >> he used gchq, the initials for the british intelligence agency. >> reporter: the president brushing off questions, referring to fox. >> you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> reporter: the british intelligence, and the nsa director, shooting the story down. >> did you request that your counterparts should wiretap mr. trump on behalf of mr. obama? >> no, sir, nor would i. >> reporter: the third charge, dhe vin nunes claiming he's seen intelligence that trump officials were swept up in legal surveillance leading president tum to say he felt vindicated. but nunes walked back the charge, saying he did not know if trump officials had been surveilled or mentioned by others. the information he used came from officials inside the trump white house. and today, "the wall street journal," quoting a republican official familiar with house intelligence committee members, is reporting that mike flynn and and one other unidentified trump official were unmasked. flynn, on a call with the russian ambassador. another, on a matter unrelated to russia. the journal reporting su