caspar weinberger. testing isberger: essential and a comprehensive test ban would undermine the credibility of our deterrent. our opponents would know we were not allowed to test. we would not be able to verify were --adhering to it or not. it would prevent the necessary modernization. we think that or the comprehensive test ban treaty what have the opposite effect that it sponsors intend. quite frankly, i would like to see both sides lose confidence in their nuclear weapons. it will be a deterrent in terms of first use. paul: we cannot ignore the strength of the soviet union. but will more weapons make us more secure? albert einstein said, the atomic age changed everything, except the way we think. we still ask the stone-age question is first and who is second. in the atomic age, at some point, the concept of -- of who is first and second goes to pieces. the deputy director of the senate for defense information strategic weapons planner at the pentagon things -- thinks we have more than enough firepowe

defense secretary caspar weinberger explains why. >> the ramification of our itaty is not warranted, then cannot be verified effectively, and if we cease nuclear testing by a moratorium or congressional mandate or treaty, that would injure our security interests. disagrees.nke >> stopping testing would make us more secure. say, what is security in a nuclear-age? to have a retaliatory deterrence, forces that could survive any sort of strike by anybody else. the position to wreak unacceptable devastation on the other side. we have that in spades. we have that on both sides, took weaponsheir nuclear what we gain by testing -- what do we gain by testing? the illusion that you could fight a nuclear war. >> we are at a point in u.s.-soviet relations were we can and do clear explosions. the soviet union declared a moratorium on nuclear weapons 1985.s of august 6, the anniversary of hiroshima. they stopped testing and pledged to -- not do it as long as we did. in spite of this pledge the united states continued testing even after the soviets stop. notice of its have announced that they will