he wouldn't be talking to reporters anymore, but trying to talk over him saying he can do whatever hemts. really the first time i've seen ben brafman express real frustration with his client f. martin list ps to him, he won't do that anymore. but he's still clearly trying to talk over him. even just now. >> it's karen. seems like lewjust looking fromh outside that he seems to be treating this like it's a game do you get that sense that he thinks this takes this seriously or not >> well, you know, he says he take takes it seriously. he's pleaded not guilty. when you look at him in the courtroom, he's paying attention, engaged with his attorney, but then coming in in the middle of the day during a recess and talking with reporter, insult iing the prosecutors, saying they're june yore varsity here, it's very fushl behavior so it's just bizarre >> all right, thank you. outside the brooklyn courthouse, it's like a car wreck. it's crazy >> by the way, meg has been tweeting all day from the courthouse on the trial and she along with our reporter, dan b, have done an excellent job here. >> the n