but, i think one of the most powerful thing in a well argued book is the argument you make based on sam mcchrystal's experience which you're not talking in terms of a broad international geographic geopolitical question, although he is leading other remarkable units in foreign countries. it seems to me in reading this book that general mcchrystal would argue on the individual tactical level what you just argued on the interstate strategic level. is that a fair reading of his experience? >> yes. it's a great example. i wanted to write this book in 2011 after it came out of government. we taught a course called making networks work and i have been writing about networks for decades. i wrote an article in the atlantic about a working family and it got knocked in a different direction. while i was working on issues of women and men and work, their k the book, a team of teams. i was thrilled because he describes being in charge of special forces in iraq. he has to fight al qaeda in iraq and he opens with this description of an attack in the very quickly the people involved figure out what ha

mcchrystal, a highly decorated man. he used to carry out different counterterrorism operations in places like iraq and afghanistan. but i am interested, if you want to spend a little time on the differentiation of networks that may be interesting but i'm also interested in this diversity. because one could argue that the debate that we just referenced a minute ago in this country and in europe for example, between those who want to stay in the european union, those who want to was evident in the brexit vote. those who want to get out of the european union. there is a debate about diversity getting something particular about them on the chessboard. something that they identify as uniquely their own. so the question i have is a little bit like the question about sovereignty. he argued it is both and that is to say both the chessboard and the network. that is to say and the web. but is there a point on this trend because people are stealing their sovereignty, because they are feeling certain things if they don't identify a