and he was from hereford, so he didn't really last, but through him i met pete farndon. through pete farndon, another long story, we found james honeyman—scott, who i think is one of the last great guitar heroes. i'm sorry that he went so early, and at the time when he died, i didn't publicly make much of it, as people would these days, maybe, but i don't think that's right. he really never got his due for the contribution he made as a rock guitar player. that i regret. that's one of the reasons i still do this, actually, because i want them to have their place in history, because that's what was important to them. that is very interesting. it's actually very poignant, because within years of having your big success with the pretenders, when everything really took off in 1980, 81, 82, within a couple of years of that, two of the original band members had died. yeah. both drugs—related. that must have been, for you personally, extraordinarily hard. well, yeah, of course it was, but i'm not trying to make it seem like it was less of a bummer than it was, but everyone g