bob mueller is not the type of person that lets grass grow under his feet. if you look at the way he's moving already, there are people who are surprised how aggressive he is to paul manafort, that fbi agents picked the lock and showed up and they're moving toward indictment. take a look at-- we kind of gets a daily barrage. take a step back and look at the president's son had a meeting with a russian lawyer, the pretext how the russian government wanted to help election. and it was intercepted, the president's national security advisor was overheard on intercepts talking with the russian ambassador. don't know exactly about what, but enough that the department of justice thought it was inappropriate and warned the white house. the president himself in his public statements can best be described as being solicitous of the russian government. so if you ask why is bob mueller moving so quickly, looking at this not like a white collar investigation, but as a criminal enterprise and taking it like the drug trafficking enterprise. this is in some ways the most im

do you trust bob mueller? >> i would trust the process to play out the way it's meant to be played out. >> why can't you say you trust a former fbi director who worked for democrats and republicans who kept this country safe -- >> you can't say you trust bob mueller? >> you can't say that? i hope they're paying you a lot of money. what is sustainable that a trump surrogate can't say they trust bob mueller. >> i think one of the -- >> this isn't the white house's current position. sarah huckabee sanders took to the podium yesterday and said -- >> there are other folks putting bugs in the president's ear. if this goes forward it goes forward in a way the president doesn't like, he already is upset with sessions, upset reportedly with jared kushner for the way this has progressed and the fact it has progress at all. we know that from our reporting. if this goes further, you know, it's possible that he will regret that terminating mueller. there are people that he's listening to who enable those impulses from the

cooperates with bob mueller? >> wow. well, i will tell you, i don't think i'm going to tell you something you may be surprised about. i don't think there's going to be cooperation. i quoted mr. flynn's son on twitter who was blasting bob mueller making all sorts of unfair attacks, linking him to middle east terrorist groups and things like that. it seems like they are digging in. one thing i wonder about that, legally it makes no sense unless they think they're getting a pardon and you'd have to think, because you're right, that the -- bob mueller is investigating the president for obstruction. that a pardon of michael flynn, the guy who he allegedly told james comey he wanted him to let it go, a pardon would be powerful evidence that bob mueller could use to suggest that donald trump is motivated to protect flynn. so i don't know why they sore sure a pardon is something but otherwise the strategy they're pursuing of attacking bob mueller makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. >> would a promise of a pardon be in and of i

i'm saying they think bob mueller is doing a good job. >> bob mueller is viewed like a miniversion of courts and people like to think of those, people in those roles as fairly neutral. there's reason to question that with respect to bob mueller. that's been discussed publicly. look, surely van you agree there's a basis to have the discussion. the outcome of the discussion is another matter. but, these are things -- discussion and it isn't very constructive. >> van? >> i'm saying that the idea that the president and his friends are trying to discredit mueller, mueller was praised by everyone, his entire career, and now he's in the tank. that doesn't make sense. here is what i think people should be trying to pay close attention to going forward. yes, you can in that building do a whole bunch of stuff at the same time. when people feel personally they are not safe, personally they may get a knock on the door from the fbi, when they go home and the wife or husband is asking personal questions, it begins to erode the ability to do your job. a tax plan is not the only talk in that building

bob mueller. you just said things you believe bad about hillary clinton. what is the conflict -- as you know, you're a lawyer as well. the conflict you're alleging, sir, is that the bad stuff you just said about clinton also relates to a link to bob mueller. and your answer didn't mention mueller. what exactly with facts or evidence, is the mueller link to clinton here? >> mueller in 2009 was part of the multiagency process that should have spoken out against the very bribery, the very extortion, the very kickback that's ultimately led to the uranium one deal. >> so you believe -- you believe the fbi -- >> let me finish. because he was part of that fact pattern, he cannot now go back and investigate something where he may very well be a witness. >> you're stating a belief that the filibuster was involved in this, the fbi was involved. there are nine government agencies involved. the "washington post" has reported, the fbi was not part of the government refuse. let me read to you. nine government a

take a look at bob mueller's standpoint. we kind of get a daily barrage of this afternoon that happened. take a step back and look at the president's son had a meeting the a russian lawyer, pretext of which was to receive information about how the russian government wanted to help elect the government -- present. they were overheard on intercept either talking with russian intelligence officials or intermediaries. the president's national security adviser was overheard on intercept talking with the russian ambassador. we don't know exactly about what justicegh department of that it was inappropriate and warned the white house. the president himself in a public storm statement can be best described as being extremely solicitous of the russian government. so if you ask, why is bob mueller moving so quickly and this is not like a white color investigation but as a criminal enterprise and taking it like a drug trafficking enterprise, this is in some ways the most important investigation the department of justice has ever conduct

this idea that bob mueller can be scared away by a mean tweet is so stupid to me. can you take me inside the strategy -- or how bob mueller might respond to some play run by steve bannon? >> yeah. again, someone i think jonathan or someone referred to as aggressive. actually, when you're aggressive, when you're fighting, it shows your weakness, shows your insecurity. they are not confident about the way this investigation is going to go. that's why they're lashing out around aiming for everyone under the son. >> is there anybody in the white house who the president mites list listen. you need to keep steve bannon. you fired him. but mr. president this will have no bearing of any legal disposition of your family or inner circle. >> perhaps the chief of staff although he himself has brk a source of controversy. you might suggest jared kushner or ivanka trump. >> tell me about jared curb her. >> he's blamed by many for firing the fbi -- reince didn't want him to be fired. kushner pushed for it. trump blames that nierg and he also still blames jeff sessions for recusin

the president has been itching to go off on bob mueller. steve bannon and others are encouraging him to fight. then they saw the guilty pleas. he went to the helicopter friday to go to say shah. who did attack? he did not attack bob mueller. instead he attacked jeff sessions and the justice department. they could be wrong. but at this moment they don't think bob mueller is going to have anything that will seriously damage this administration. mollie: the media should not view bob mueller as beyond reproach. there are media stories that criticism of mueller is unacceptable. they should apply the same standards towards mueller's indictments as they do anybody else in a position of power. howie: bill bennett weighs in on the position of the president on terrorist issues. are you done yet? does it look like i'm done? shouldn't you be at work? [ mockingly ] "shouldn't you be at work?" todd. hold on. [ engine revs ] arcade game: fist pump! your real bike's all fixed. man, you guys are good! well, we are the number-one motorcycle insurer in the co

no one could ever take that away from bob mueller. there's never been an allegations that goes against his integrity. what we tried to do in the in depth profile that we published in "the los angeles times" was to focus on special counsel mueller's experience, his judgment and his tendencies, aspects of his career, specific cases that shed light on what he may do with the enormous discretion that he now holds over really the trump presidency. >> you write about his linear methods. i guess the nonpejorative is to say he is methodical? >> he i the -- i guess the case in point referencing his linear approach was evidenced in his management of the anthrax case, that is, the investigation of the 2001 anthrax letter attacks. the director personally managed that case from headquarters and drove it as long and as hard as he could toward the near indictment of stephen hatfill, a man who was ultimately exonerated, had no involvement with the crimes. that process really misdirected the investigation for nearly five years. >> i would urge people

, not as able as bob mueller. but i think as our piece concluded, there is no doubting bob mueller's resolve to do what he considers to be the right thing. the more difficult unknowns here are how he is going to apply his discretion. which potential targets are going to get immunity from prosecution and under what terms. who will ultimately be prosecuted? to what extent will special counsel mueller use his discretion to bring charges perhaps on those matters that are not directly yet defined within his original mandate but yet he clearly is authorized to go after those if he deems it appropriate. >> we urge folks to go to the website of the "l.a. times." people can read the washington-based reporting of the recipient of the pulitzer prize. david willman, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >>> coming up, the happy news tonight from cross the atlantic. but first, a quick note. we are very happy to announce a new way to catch up on "the 11th hour." if you can't be with us live, if you can't

all day long. >>> bob mueller's investigation has been using a grand jury. so that means everything it does is in secret. but now we have these indictments, which means we're on the way to probably two public trials. so "the beat" recently partnered for a mock jury setting with prominent analysts and lawyers on both sides concluding whether the campaign colluded with russia and whether a crime was committed. >> one year ago, we were attacked by the russian government. all of us were the victims. >> it's also a federal crime when two people agree to commit a crime. that is called conspiracy. >> russia tried to influence the american election. i was certainly convinced of that. the problem is that that isn't a crime. >> who is now more convinced that there was a conspiracy that involved the trump campaign? and who is less convinced? >> he is much further along. and i think he knows where to go to get what he might need to complete that case. >> that was just part of our thanksgiving holiday special. you can watch the whole thing on our website, "the beat with

these are very aggressive moves by bob mueller. it puts everyone in this orbit on notice, you better come on board with me. charlie: they had pretty clear evidence that bob mueller's investigation would be atressive when he showed up his residence in the middle of the night. >> from the beginning, bob mueller has moved with great speed and great aggression in white-collar cases. it is rare that they show up with a no knock warrant and seized documents. they are not wrestling around. -- not messing around. they know this sends a message to flynn and others watching that they will send heavy charges that is maybe not even related to the campaign -- they will turn up other stones and leverage those charges to get to the heart of what they are looking at, which is possible coordination between the campaign in russia to influence the election. what about rick gates?campaign >> he has been right by paul manafort's side to these business dealings in ukraine, and he has worked on the campaign as well. he is a lesser-known name, but it's st

, there are republican lawmakers now pushing a new bill to ice out bob mueller. it is explicitly based on a conspiracy theory from sean hannity that argues because bob mueller served as an fbi director, he cannot be a prosecutor now. let me be clear. that theory has no basis in recusal law. we are reporting it for you tonight to note that it is a political response to this week's indictments. not to suggest that it has any legitimacy as a legal recusal argument. has the whole machine is revving up against mueller and saying jeff sessions did hear and address that proposed plan for trump to meet putin, another aide saying he told sessions. all this comes as we are witnessing a president under investigation this week, resisting and braying against laws that have always been bigger than any one person. how the system responds, how congress responds, will all have significant implications. with me now, a former federal prosecutor. and howard dean, a former governor for sxrermt a dnc chair, and david jolly, a former congressman from florida. i begin with you because t

but you don't have bob mueller look into that. david: we don't really know whether mueller is look into that or not, do we? >> we don't see the same activity level in terms of court files as we do in bob mueller's pursuit of the trump campaign. bob mueller can't possibly look into that deal because during that time period he was the director of the fbi. he may well be a witness. the last congressional research service on the i hav -- on the s process, why didn't bob mueller do that? hillary clinton was on that panel. at the same time they were taking millions of dollars from russians. at the same time uranium one was making donations to the clinton foundation, bob mueller can't possibly continue against president trump when he's so conflict against the other participant in the 2016 election. david: clearly you are on the case. thank you for being here. appreciate it. be sure to vote in tonight's poll. do you have any confidence democrats will revoke the 25-year free pass they have given bill clinton for sexual misconduct? remember

he may want to take on bob mueller. his instincts have been to attack bob mueller but his lawyers have said don't do that and he's abided by that so it's not that he can't restrain himself but he chooses to do so in some cases and not in others. >> that mueller probe is the asterisk on the first year. we're not sure where the grand jury investigations will go, where the special counsel will go. >> they take years. they are living, dynamic creatures that can consume and overshadow just about anything else a president wants to do. >> when you look at alabama, coming up, the special election december 12, it's a microcosm of the republican civil war that continues to erupt day by day. >> right, this is a party that is literally cracking open in the president's first year over everything from trade to taxes to spending to foreign policy, and who should be in the republican party and who should lead it. they're fighting about all of that and for president trump, who used to be a democrat, he didn't start this war but he stoke

but it does seem that it was not his full reckoning with bob mueller. he's going to have to spend more time later to talk about his own liability. this was a brief interview, an hour or so and the timing of it is what's important. it happened a couple weeks ago. it covered mike flynn's behavior. mike flynn's activities and it was in that time where we know mueller was building a case, getting ready as nbc has reported, had prepared an indictment. ready to bring an indictment against mike flynn. you look at the timing of that happening, it seems like he was dotting his is, crossing his ts getting ready to go to court. that was headed off by what's happened in the last week right before thanksgiving which is flynn's team going to mueller and starting negotiations, probably for cooperation. >> donna, let me bring you in and ask you specifically to address the conduct under scrutiny after donald trump became president. sometimes you know more than anybody about campaign shenanigans. sometimes there's a sobering effect when someone assumes the office of the

rusty rosenstein puts in place bob mueller who had been a long i'm serving director of the f.b.i. war hero congressional medal of honor winner you know really remember when he gets appointed everybody seemed to be very very happy with that appointment he comes in in may of twenty seventeen and he picks up where some of these investigations had already begun i guess what i'm saying is for people whose life work like mine was running investigation or governor your job is to take the evidence where mainly taught your head and look at the federal crimes that might be out there or at your mandate as an intelligence agency leader and see where you where you're meant to go next based on the facts based on the developments on the ground ok so i think it let's put it in the right context in terms of what these foreign folks whose job it is slightly different from a political agenda going think about right there to day or the alleged russian influence in the u.s. election last year has caused a long shadow of a trump short presidency the f.b.i. was aware of attempted russian hacking in u.s.

i think to be honest does does bob mueller think at all about what is my timeline for keeping this in front of the american public know he's thinking i've got an appointment i've only been in the air since may i need to show a budget i need to show i'm moving on this i've got three indictments under my belt i am moving i'm showing that congress and the rest of the american public and everybody was paying attention from all over the world that i mean business and i'm moving through this investigation in of professional and in a in a very. heads down way and in america what does that mean that means working from the bottom working your way up so you start with the capitalists you would approach it at the end of july we don't know exactly what he was doing in that interim period when he before he got charged but safe to say if you're a prosecutor who thinks you might have the opportunity to use an insider to develop further information to wear a wire or however you look whatever tools you're using you're going to do there and then and bob mueller is well aware of how best to use the tool

we all know that he is advocating a tougher line with bob mueller. is that something that the president -- he's resisted that at the moment, but is that something he could turn to if the investigation strikes closer? curt shil and other folks to the president are getting closer and closer to the line of fire. >> i would never rule anything out with donald trump, nicolle. he is prone to firing anybody on a whim. and certainly you've been noticing a drum beat on the right in the conservative media building the case for the did he lee ledge myization of robert mueller and i think the ultimate removal of him. not that i think that's what donald trump is going to do, but you can hear trump's allies laying the groundwork for that scenario, saying that the people that work for mueller are corrupted. they've given money to democrats. they can't be impartial. and then there are these various conspiracy theories now on the right about the uranium deal that clinton was involved in that mueller should have been investigating and it's pretty clear that they are t

in his heart, he wants to fire bob mueller. one of the ways you do that, it makes it easier to do that is get rid of jeff sessions. you can look at all of this stuff, the railing, the fantasy land stuff that steve schmidt talked about yesterday. he's attacking his own justice department, his own fbi trying to make session' position untenable. hang that man out to dry. create the context in which you can fire the attorney general who has recused himself and try to, at least in trump's mind, get a more friendly attorney general in that job who would make it -- who would pave the way toward mueller's firing. i think that somewhere in the trump mind, complicated haunted house that it is, that there's some part of that, what he is thinking about, this is not just indiscriminate flailing. he's tried to pick the lock on how to get sessions out and how to get mueller out. >> let me get you quickly in on this jared kushner question. there's -- i don't even know, open secret is probably a bad way to describe it. but an aggressive effort

well, so is bob mueller peddling fake news? >> i have a feeling bob mueller would say, absolutely not. betsy, this comes after another foreign policy adviser, george papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contacts with russia. who should the white house be more concerned about, carter paige, or papadopoulos? >> that's a good question. i think both of them potentially have information that could be of great interest to mueller's team. what we do know for sure is that papadopoulos likely provides a much bigger source of stress for the white house, because he's been working with mueller. he's been cooperating. and it's likely that he gave the white house a significant -- or mueller, a significant amount of information that could make folks in the white house look pretty terrible. an important piece of con taxten all this, particularly given the media interviews that carter paige is doing. one of the biggest and most immediate legal risks for people in the white house isn't just potential allegations of collusion

whether it against president or against the somebody element not up to bob mueller. charles: what if bob mueller was conflicted because of his role with uranium one, would that -- do you still say, can you take off one hat and put on the other. >> uranium one is a very serious issue. it is not being investigated by justice department it should. threshold fo for a criminal investigation is low dyou state a reason why there probably existing criminal evidence against this person. yeah. they gave that money to bill and hillary clinton foundation, someone gave $500 thousand to bill to give a speech in moscow, same speech in los angeles, suddenly, russians can buy 25 per of ran american uranium mine. if bob mueller is a went in this investigation -- is a witness in that investigation, can he product the prosecution ha is interest. >> what about leaks, manafort indictment was leaked prior to it happening, perhaps michael flynn and his son over weekend, they were exclusives out there that were imminent, is there a reason that mueller team would do that. >> yes, they would l

we don't know who the people bob mueller is talking to have talked to and what they're telling bob mueller. and one way that bureaucracies and large systems of people begin to collapse is when they can't trust each other. the trump administration already had a very, very serious problem with leaks. it already had a very serious problem with infighting. now what it has is a serious problem with people flipping potentially or at least testifying on the people they've been working with, talking to, or were working with previously. it is very hard to run an effective executive branch under those circumstances. >> barbara mcquade, the message that i got from the special prosecutor yesterday was you don't know what i'm doing, and you don't know what i'm doing next. it seems to me that's exactly the message he wanted to deliver to us. >> yeah, i think that's right. and i think robert mueller has the reputation for being airtight. i know there have been leaks. but i suspect those are coming out of defense camps or maybe congressional committees, and not robert mueller's team. but i think he also s

. >> bob mueller knows a whole lot that we in the media and the public don't know. he knows a lot. there was material -- you know, i'm very familiar with paul manafort's business, his work in the ukraine. there was material in the indictment that i had never seen before, i had suspected. it was fascinating. you can get, when you're a prosecutor like him, when you can get cypress to hand over banking records, you can get behind the veil, and manafort really had cast a veil over his activities and was lying about them. the papadopoulos part, it just shows you there are not many leaks coming out of, you know, out of mueller's operation. i think a lot of the leaks are coming out of the fence, as they often do. he is running a very tight ship. some shoe will drop next but not clear which one. >> stewart: we conclude with griffin dunne, director of new documentary "joan didion: the center will not hold." >> throughout her whole life, the things she writes about is a world in disorder and eventually her life became a world of disorder, and she's trying to make these connections. >> stewar

, you could cook up a new clinton probe in order to put bob mueller under criminal investigation. the panic also allegedly has trump advisers dodgingfully talk. reporting that dina powell and gary cohn leaving the room whenever mueller's name comes up. i'm joined by a former federal prosecutor and a candidate for attorney general. and "huffington post" director. >> i want to focus on this. first on the law, what would happen if donald trump did change the legal team and change his approach? >> this could be interesting. so far his lawyer, ty cobb, has taken traditional approach publicly telling everyone that he's interested in openness. that the white house is cooperating. he's basically saying the white house is obligated to comply with requests and he is complying with them. turning over e-mails, making witnesses available for interviews and so forth. if we were to have, say, a steve bannon universe defense team where the white house in essence went to war with bob mueller, that could lead to some very interesting results. as we've seen the last couple days, mueller is playing f

bob mueller is impervious and indifferent to donald trump's smears for his aides. they've just entered a faphase where they may successfully convince the 32% of the country that will be with donald trump that george papadopoulos was a low-level aide and doesn't matter. that may have been their goal. i don't know. what they say about george papadopoulos will have no bearing on what bob mueller already learned from him, what he may continue to learn from him as bob mueller now questions other aides that may have been around the campaign, that may have come into contact with others since donald trump was sworn in. so they're entering a phase, as you pointed out at the beginning, where everyone who goes in and answers questions from the fbi, from bob mueller's investigators, must tell the truth or they could face perjury charges. >> you are inside politically, i was there too, maybe not as high as you were, nicolle. you were pretty high. i want to go back to something so ethnic it sounds awful but i'll stick to it. i never met a russian in politics in 50 years. >> me e

who is it going to be bob mueller. his friend, predecessor and metropolitanor and my good friend from florida just pointed out, the guy who was running the f.b.i. when the uranium one deal was going down. and all we're asking for, all we're asking for is for the attorney germ to name a special counsel. why wasn't it so critical and so important that loretta lynch use her real name. why was it so important we have special counsel and it be bob mueller. the government document. why was this all so important? all we're asking for is to name a special couple to look into this. we asked for this. 0 members of the judiciary committee laying out all these questions and saying, name a special counsel to look into it. the american people would like the answers. i know the people in the th zreck of ohio would like to know. and asking about the july 2 letter and would they a.a special counsel. to date, we have no answer, no response. and i appreciate my good friend from florida and the gentleman from north carolina and the gentle

mueller. >> well, he did fire bob mueller so that happened. i think when we look at what the president is hinted at, he's hinted he doesn't want to see an investigation on that. he did that earlier this month. when you're on capitol hill, you hear these crowds, these cries even louder all across capitol hill. there's been a big push to look into some of the clinton administrations, excuse me, the clinton foundation's dealingings with russia. there's the uranium deal. there's a host of other issues they want to look into. whether or not it's an attempt to distract, i'm probably not in the best position to say that, but it's clear there's been a push on capitol hill and the president himself has wanted this. we don't know exactly if the trigger's been pulled on this, if there will be a special investigation. if there will be a special counsel. i think we need to stay tuned to what attorney general jeff sessions has to say on capitol hill in just a little bit, stephanie. >> hans nichols, you know we will be staying tuned, all right, thank you. co

now we're 23 minutes in, and professor gillers is the first person to say bob mueller. i want to go to the other two prosecutors. based on your knowledge, and our viewers know you as people who cover and provide expertise on this, on your knowledge of mueller's portfolio, is this something he can investigate? >> i think that's a really important question. so we know that there's this pattern now of trump cronies failing to disclose their dealings with russia. paul manafort, michael flynn, trump jr. ryan, kushner, the list goes on. so when special counsel mueller has then interest in failure to disclose, it's been mainly as a means to an end. so when kushner or actually when manafort didn't disclose some of his dealings with the ukraine, at the end of the day, that's not what special counsel mueller is interested in. he's interested in using that as a way to get leverage over manafort to make him cooperate. so if this turns out to be only about the commerce secretary's failure to disclose some of his dealings with the russians but there's no other significance with regar

if bob mueller does "x," it's worth reporting that "the washington post" is now reporting that bob mueller is doing "x." the other thing i want to sfik a pin in here is msnbc reporting over the weekend that the mueller investigation has sufficient evidence to indict trump national security adviser michael flynn and also his son, mike flynn jr. who worked with him on the campaign and in his consulting business. now, nobody knows if robert mueller actually will indict mike flynn or his son and it's also possible that he has indicted one or both of them and that indictment is sealed and we don't know about it. but there exists enough information to issue an arrest warrant in it conjunction with the flynn investigation. all right. and we will have to see what that means as the story gets ripe. but again, if that reporting, there's something buried in there that i think is potentially a very big deal. in that reporting, msnbc also described something we previously didn't know about mueller and about flynn. tomorrow's election day, right? today we learned that trump campaign official rick gates

again, it doesn't matter because bob mueller doesn't care. he will continue investigating and we will get closure. at some point we will know what happens and whether he's the president of the united states or not, he will have to listen to it and accept it. >> we are going to leave it there for now. thank you so much. so in a show of force to north korea, u.s. air force b 1 bombers had been conducting fly overs near the peninsula and now the navy is putting on a show of force for the first time in a decade. three groups operating in a joint exercise in the pacific ocean. the uss ronald reagan and nimitz and theodore roosevelt. defensive air combat training and other maneuvers. global affairs correspondent joining us now on all of this. this is a very strong show of force in the region. are u.s. allies involved while the president continues to be in the asian region there? >> they are, fred. the south korean drills are taking their joint drills with south korea. they have their own warships and missile defenses in these exercises as well as t

if you can speak to where bob mueller will focus. he's looking at where crimes have taken place. where could crimes have taken place in those nine points of contact? >> collusion might not be the word, knowledge of the trump campaign that russia was interfering in our election is sufficient for bob mueller to look at whether computer crimes were used in aiding and abetting it in violation of federal election laws because foreign governments cannot provide contributions to a u.s. campaign. and assistance by a foreign agent which we already know that's affected manafort and flynn. in those three demain demains domains you will see bob miler investigating -- it is a dereliction of national security, an evis ration of national security, to know that the russian federation is involving itself in an american political campaign and do nothing about it. >> a story in the 4:00 hour yesterday about don, jr. coordinating with an ally of the russian intelligence services, i thought back to the last time don, jr. was in the press for coordinating with russians, that donald trump seemed to los

i know bob mueller though. >> what do you think of him? >> i don't know firsthand knowledge of the faxes, but bob muler is a dedicated public servant and as experienced as we have in the united states government. he served from the 10-year term and president obama extended his term with the permission of congress in the obama second term. he is fair, tough minded, and again about as experienced of a prosecutor in law enforcement as the united states government has. >> there is pressure on the president to fire him. if he were to do so, some would accused the president of an action of obstruction of justice. >> i'm a national security person and not involved in the legal matters here, but i can tell you this because i said that you have in bob mueller someone who will do his duty. he will take them as they fall and investigate where it takes them. he will be fair, but tough. i guarantee. >> thanks very much for coming in. appreciate it. president trump suggested he should be executed after deserting his base in afghanistan. a judge deciding

i think bob mueller is more like the prosecutor who does things when the consequences merit it. not just to send aal. so i suspect that if he and his team are taking a little of a breather over the thanksgiving holiday, you will see this continue to intensify into december. i do think the mike flynn angle is potentially the next place you will hear news from bob mueller on. >> jeremy, what did you make of the "wall street" article we talked about jared kushner's potential entanglements? >> again, this is a tricky one. jared kushner was charged with the responsibility of working with other foreign governments, other foreign officials. the question ask is really did he do anything improper? there is i think a theory in the bob mueller investigation that the entire trump administration had a "for sale" sign over its neck and the president would doing will anything if they can advance their own business interests. >> julia, same question. >> again, i think bob mueller is in a time line, he is going back interviewing people, like jill pointed out, we know just because someone is inte

>> i feel this pardon issue is not unlike firing bob mueller. if you're even looking at that, thinking about the pardon process at this point, i think you're going to be triggering a constitutional crisis, i think would be a big mistake. many republicans in the senate have said that they would be for bob mueller. i've been telling them, speak out right now, it's going to be important to protect bob mueller's right to do a professional job. >> we have heard talk about mueller, republicans on the record saying he shouldn't do that. and you think firing paul manafort -- sorry pardoning paul manafort is on the same plane as that. >> particularly at outset, if you're doing either talking about firing bob mueller, pardoning people, it just, based on my conversations with senators, i think would trigger a constitutional crisis. >> you've had hearings over the last two days with platform companies, google, facebook and twitter among others, about the ways in which russian actors appeared to use their platforms, possibly in dubiously legal ways. what is

it includes some of those working for bob mueller here. so you apply the pressure of the family members. it encourages the desired cooperate to to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. i think it could very well be going on here. >> so that's a potential. isn't it also so significant, we talked about charges all former trump associates but this is a retired three star general. it is someone who has been loyal for so long and what he could potentially offer is much bigger than all three of the others. >> i think that's probably true and his time with trump is fairly extensive. he is there early in the campaign and then goes right into the white house with him. so yes, he is probably the strongest witness and looks like the one that mueller is most interested in. he already indicted manafort and there is probably talk before that was handed down. it didn't make him pause to with hold any indictment there. so i think, yes, this is a good witness with and if indeed this has happened it is going to change the dynamics of th

bob mueller needs to be able to finish his investigation. the challenge of any investigation like this is how long it could go on and how broad it could be. again, you go back to the reagan administration, that special counsel was in place for six years. they extended even past the reagan administration being in office. we don't want to see that but i do think bob mueller needs to be able to do his investigation, do it independently, stay in mace, use the resources he has as he gets to all the facts. >> do you think congress needs to sort of codify his role to protect him? >> no, i don't. there has been a lot of back and forth to say -- at some point the president said he needs to -- he doesn't need to be there. i don't think that's the white house position. the white house has said over and over again they have no desire to push him out. that shouldn't be an action of congress as well. let's let him finish his job. >> i want to get your action to the frustration i guess that the president can't order the justice department to do an investig

so what this says to me is that general flynn has indicated to bob mueller's prosecutorial team that he has insight into someone higher than him, someone more important than him and more significant than him that he is or could well be interested in sharing with them. and there were only a couple people who are more significant, more prominent than mike flynn. of course at the top of that list is donald trump. >> who else could it be if it's not donald trump? >> there are a couple possibilities. jared kushner is another. he seems to have a lot of criminal liability as well in this whole affair. but obviously, mike flynn worked very closely with candidate trump and for 24 days, then president trump. and very few people if any, have better insight into the campaign's foreign policy and the early days of the administration's foreign policy than mike flynn. >> and vanity fair has a piece out which included this nugget about kushner and the russian investigation. it says that despite kushner's efforts to express confidence, he expressed worry after the indictments of paul manafort and ric

>> well, again, i have tremendous trust in bob mueller's investigation. this is a professional who is going to look at every detail, every bit of evidence, every fact to determine whether or not there was any kind of collusion, any kind of conspiracy here that involved the russians interfering with our election. clearly there are bits and pieces of evidence that are out there. the real question is can you look at all of that and connect all of the dots to make the case that, in fact, that took place? i think that's going to be bob mueller's job, and i every confidence that he can do that. >> we're going to have a lot more on this latest development, what the atlantic calls the secret correspondence between donald trump jr. and wikileaks. i want to get your reaction to the other breaking news that we're following. another woman has come forward accusing roy moore of sexual assault. it seems as though the cries for moore to step aside are growing among top republicans. you served in the house of representatives. you worked in washington for years. you can s