michalski: yes. melinda: alan posener, let us talk about the link between criticism of israel and anti-semitism. where and when does the one shade into the other? and would you say given germany's crimes that germans simply should refrain criticizing israel altogether? alan: of course not. this is a country like every other so it is a country that makes mistakes. maybe commits crimes and these can be criticized. the thing is -- there is a word in german called "israelcritique" which means criticism of israel. but there is no such thing as -- melinda: french criticism. alan: it is only aimed at the jewish state. if you ask -- where does it shade? there is a clear definition which has been accepted by the european community and by the german government and this is demonization,-- the legitimate to say should and -- the legitimization -- delegitimazation and double standards. if you delegitimize it by saying we will boycott your country -- this is where "israelcritique" becomes anti-semitism. obviously.

. >> senator michalski. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for your leadership on this issue and really raising that level of awareness. as you point out this is been out there for a while. i think my colleague just mentioned it's been growing in plain sight here and thank you for acknowledging that there is no one silver bullet. i thank you said it's a complicated and no silver bullet are complicated adult problems. yet, we all know as has been mentioned it's not just an adult problem. our children are dying of overdoses and suffering because the parents are checked out. i went to a senior senator and sitting with a group of senior ladies and said if i weren't here having lunch with you today what would you be talking about. they looked around and said where we would find services for our grandkids because all of us, all of us are taking care of our grandchildren because our kids are either in jail or have given up the kids whatever. this is truly a problem that consumes all ages, all spectrums, all classes. i'm interested in your

. >> thanks, senator michalski -- senator murkowski. we have several senators remaining who want to ask questions. senator murphy is next. senator murphy: thank you very much, mr. chairman. if one of us were to go down to the senate floor and give a speech on loneliness, we would worry it would come off looking silly, and yet, if you look at a map of the suicide epidemic in this country, the crisis is the worst were social isolation is the greatest. if you read peter early us great book about the mental health crisis in the country, he comes to the end that the only effective mental health solutions in the country are the ones that build connections between people -- if you read great book about the mental health crisis in the country. complicated one. it was a private, low-cost community pool that closed circumstances outside the government's control. kids had lots of reasons to state inside, houses had their own pools. you hint at being critical of the decision by the government to let that pool close. they could have spent taxpayer m