and that's not even acceptable by the palestinians the palestinians went hoping that the. rope can lift its circulation. because this sort of mission has not proved and they think. that clinton i mean we have been suffering because of the negotiations processes and that because of the false. promises of the united states mr gray let me go to you and pick up on what mr costin the saying just how realistic is a complete withdrawal from the peace process that has that started with in one nine hundred ninety three with no longer recognizing israel given the reality on the ground the cooperation between israel and palestinian entities in running the palestinian territories i don't think that the p.l.o. was mentioning or even the president himself recognizing israel it's recognizing the leadership of bibi netanyahu as a as a viable partner for peace defacto the peace process is that had it's been dead for a while it's not to recognize the reality on the ground and formally a new paradigm this leadership the palestinian authority led by mahmoud abbas has failed spectacularly they

cannot be used for palestinians in 2018. now, if mr. bennett is saying there's no space between the river jordan and the mediterranean, it doesn't mean he wants two states, he wants me to live under his occupation, he wants me to live in his option of one state to a system that's upper side, up side, upper side and i'm telling you this no palestinian will accept and the other option -- many palestinians are saying they want equal rights, israelis will never accept this. so what does this mean? it means that mr. bennett's ideology is going to lead to deepening the cycle of violence and counterviolence between palestinians and israelis and when i say my only option is a two-state solution, in the state of palestine, to live with security and safety with israel, i'm here to save lives. when abu mazen said in his speech an arabic term that means come on, he said it means to diminish your home. literally yes but if he's a middle easterner he know this is term is about come on and also the lies that we pay to kill jews. that's not

backing for israel and palestinian president like the u.s. embassy will be. next and washington will back two state solution but only if both sides agree and so much distrust and despair that u.s. policy is the so-called peace process still relevant this is inside story. other than welcome to the program i'm laura kyle donald trump's recent recognition of jerusalem as the capital of israel provoked protests and outrage among palestinians the allies and other critics worldwide that anger hasn't been placated with the visit of the u.s. vice president the divided city israeli palestinian members of parliament were forcibly removed was listening to his speech the applause in the class it was especially loud when pence promised the move of the u.s. embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem will be complete by the end of next year and when he repeatedly referred to jerusalem as the capital of israel we'll get to our panel in just a moment but first harry forsett reports from west jerusalem. on the day he would become the first u.s. vice president to address israel's parli

the ground strategy for the palestinians in one of your articles you suggested that if you were a palestinian you would to build on all palestinian owned land in area c. you would deploy old bulldozers in the west bank to open every road that israel has closed and you recognize that this is going to perhaps bring things to a boiling point what makes you believe that anything good may come out of this i think the key is whether or not the palestinians could couldn't here to. nonviolent popular resistance struggle if they resort to violence and throwing stones in my view is violent as well but you could have a nonviolent struggle where i said if i were a palestinian i would seek to have myself and all of my friends and my family of leaders at the local level of the national level be arrested by israel what you need to do is hold a mirror up to the israeli people and say this is what you're creating this is the reality on the ground we're not using violence we will not cooperate with the occupation any more we want our independence we want our statehood we want to live in peace but we will not b

live in and lebanese camps and palestinian camps in lebanon syrians palestinians in syria. we've all seen the images coming out of yarmouk camp caught between different fighting groups. forces nobody else is delivering services but on the one we as a norwegian refugee council worked very closely with enron in schools where we do psychosocial support for example in gaza where our children have been living for. there are a siege for for more than a decade now and multiple conflicts multiple wars traumatized completely from otherwise there's a kind of services we're offering because our offer is the space where we can work with them we work with and the west bank with biased indians whose houses are being demolished by the israeli occupation all the time is providing them basic services we provide legal services for those people these are all over so what we're really talking vast vast. spectrum of services and people across the board that are going to be affected here and the the earlier the shortfall discovered the more that the crisis can be averted one other thing if a cri

would a palestinian state be viable? that's a question we should ask if our policy is going to be to support palestinian statehood. think of thought experiment. let's assume su create a palestinian state and counter factually, there's no security problem. there is no security problem. there is no terrorism. it has been removed from the face of the earth. the palestinian entity that you have just created has no port. it has no airport. it has no currency. it has no natural resources. it has no productive economy. so i would think that the logic would be that that entity is going to be tied to, you might even say fall upon, one of its neighbors either israel or jordan. for survival. and the logic of it, i think, is the logic that existed decades ago which is makes a lot more sense for it to be related somehow to or in a form of con federal relationship with an arab muslim, suny state rather than the jewish state. the logic it seems to me is that the major city you turn to is amman, not tel aviv. the airport you turn to is

so what do the palestinians do now? my guest today is mahmoud zahar, co—founder of the islamist movement hamas, which controls gaza and has been at loggerheads with the palestinian authority in the west bank for more than a decade. are the palestinians staring defeat in the face? mahmoud zahar in gaza, welcome to hardtalk. most welcome. i have to begin by asking you about your frame of mind, your spirit at the beginning of this new year, 2018. i look at the diplomatic, the political and the economic situation in gaza and i can barely imagine anything more bleak. is that the way you feel too? first of all, i'd like to address that this is one of the most important points in our history. yes, our life is very miserable, not because of bad management from our side but because of the crime committed by the israeli occupation and by the cooperation of the palestinian authority with them, and lastly by the impact of the international community represented mainly by mr trump against our human rights in the most important shr

interests as well as the palestinian authority interests. i do not think it will lead to the collapse of the policy or thirty but i think it will lead to more violence perhaps not only in palestine but also in the region the u.s. as the previous reports have mentioned that the u.s. is the biggest contributor to the palestinian refugee agency the law it is out of the core budget the u.s. contributor on twenty six percent which is around one hundred fifty two million dollars a year and if you add to that also the u.s. support to the humanitarian projects that they also are implemented through the this number could could go up to three hundred sixty eight million dollars a year so this is basically a huge number and it will definitely affect the situation of the political refugees as they said not only in palestine but also you know in the arab region and the refugees will not remain silent i'm sure this will also lead to a protest would also lead to perhaps more violence will also affect the fragile security situation in also the arab countrie

the palestinian cause for once and your for arab nations. just why is it not worth then to go all out to make their brothers in pakistan. very very. poor we have an occupying. force. kicking people out of their rightful home and instead of standing up with it then i'm saying we are. there to washington please please put me in a position of power ok. let's begin. do you believe with what sunny is saying that the palestinian issue amongst the arabs in the arab region has become a side issue well i agree with much of what was just said that right now i think we're seeing certain governments in the middle east courting trump and being courted by trump and it is about survival we should remember that the middle east today is not the same as the release of thirty forty years ago i think that many governments in the middle east are seizing more immediate challenges in their mind it's about staying in power so they care about for example what will happen with that on what will happen with the blockade what about the protests for example what we call

the palestinian president has to suspend recognition of israel as a further expression of palestinian and a following donald trump's decision on jerusalem but one of the consequences of cutting ties with israel and the palestinians have alternative options inside story . hello and welcome to the program i'm elizabeth piron i'm palestinian president mahmoud abbas has called donald trump's peace efforts the slap of the century and promised a slap back now the palestinian liberation organization has outlined its strategy to face the u.s. president's recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital the core demands to suspend palestinian recognition of israel and to no longer regard the u.s. as a partner for peace we'll discuss the implications with our guests and a moment but first iran contra ports from the occupied west bank. late on monday night the palestinian leadership issued a statement that could have far reaching consequences for the peace process the statement includes the call to suspend recognition of israel suspend security coordination with it and unite the palestinian factions

in the in the case of the palestinians that you began . your clip with over the course of the last year of the trump administration there's been a lot of bumbling and fumbling on the administration they went ahead and move the u.s. embassy to jerusalem without getting anything from israel causing a reaction from the palestinians and now apparently the president's trying to punish the palestinians for their reaction to that that's really a case where the u.s. needs to have a clear overall strategy on the other hand with pakistan the u.s. does have a clear overall strategy there was a very exhaustive national security process that resulted in a speech to the nation by president trump in august where he laid out a very clear policy towards pakistan and afghanistan and he said then that pakistan needed to do more if it wanted to continue its relationship the united states he sent the secretary of state and secretary of defense there over the last several months but so far pakistan hasn't done anything and it's not just the united states that i

would a palestinian state be viable? that's a question we should ask if our policy is going to be support to support palestinian statehood. think about this experiment. let's assume you create a palestinian state and counter factually there is no security problem. there is no security problem. no terrorism. it has been removed from the face of the earth. the palestinian state that you have thus created has no port. it has no productive economy. so i would think that the logic would be that that entity is going to be tied to, you might even say fall upon, one of its neighbors, israel or jordan for survival. and the logic of it, i think is the logic that existed decades ago, it makes more sense for it to be related to or in the form of a relationship with an arab-muslim-sunni state than a jewish state. the logic it seems to me is the major city you turn to is amman. to peoplet you turn say it's unrealistic, unrealistic today. i don't think it's so easy to say it is unrealistic 10 years from now. the jordanian population it

not just the palestinians. we should fight arabs and jews to preserve that. >> my opinion is that both sides, people are tired, fatigued and brainwashed and they will not reeble in a way that they would march? the streets. people are saying i care about my four corners and my garden, and it's out of my control and i don't see this rebellion happening. >> clearly i'm the optimist of 2002 of us. in fact, i believe that rather than creating two separate states, one israeli and one palestinian, that we should have a one-state solution where everyone shares in the same land and has equal rights. i know i'm in the minority with this idea. still, the situation in the west bank and in israel is so complicated now that you have a scrambled situation, where the israelis are living amongst palestinians, and palestinians are living amongst israelis, and the question really is how to separate the two people. onone of the israeli intellectuals that dealt with this binational situation which we are in is the former deputy may

the americans to continue financing of palestinian economic development and certainly the palestinian security forces the israeli position on is one that onerous an agency which is staines the refugee issue rather than getting the refugees integrated into palestinian society or into the countries where when really works in lebanon and in syria and in jordan and therefore as an agency for seventy years to sustain the refugee problem rather than helping to resolve it it keeps this dream of going back home which is now the state of israel proper and where those palestinian homes no longer exist so politically israel has taken the position that needs to be closed down entirely so if israel is not going to encourage the american government to continue paying for the room ok well mr bush going to fortunately we have to leave it there but it's been there very interesting though a very troubling conversation i appreciate you being with us and tell our viewers please keep the conversation going on out twitter facebook and youtube pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on w

authority and today we strongly urge the palestinian leadership to return to the table peace can only come through dialogue thank. you and. we recognize that peace will require compromise but you can be confident in this the united states of america will never compromise the safety and security of the state of israel and any peace agreement. must guarantee israel's ability to defend itself by itself now there are those who believe. that the world can change that we're destined to engage and loose violence that age old conflicts can't be resolved and that hope itself is an illusion but my friends president trump doesn't believe it i don't believe it and neither do you. i stand here today in a city whose very name means peace and i stand here i know that peace is possible because history records that israel has made the very difficult decisions to achieve peace with its neighbors in the past over the past two days i've traveled to egypt and jordan to nations with them israel has long enjoy the fruits of peace i spoke with america's great friends president sisi of egypt and king abdullah

with a new more dynamic palestinian leadership. it's obviously not for us to decide who the palestinian leadership is but i would make the point that there's no point in talking about mobilizing international community because to a certain extent this is the palestinian tragedy feeling that the un of the international community will negotiate for them they should look i think the example of the late president sadat and that king hussein who sat with us made difficult decisions recognized israel's right to exist as a jewish state but had hard demands which we said that's the only way there's no other way the international community is not going to war borders between us is not going make a vengeance the palestinians have to sit with us and i understand it's difficult for me to do it but to mystically will eventually do so gentlemen i'm afraid we're going to have to end the discussion many thanks indeed to all of you moral bonnie sable and to jeffrey or aunts and as always thank you for watching don't forget you can see the program a

administration tries to mediate between the israelis and the palestinians how big of a problem is the mediation itself well to discuss that i'm now joined by guest in boston founder and cochairman of the israel palestine creative riginal initiative mr buskin thank you very much for your time it's great to have you on the show thank you now i know that you've advised many israeli palestinian international leaders on the middle east peace process and now that. the u.s. vice president mike pence has arrived to the region trying to restart this negotiating process once again i wonder if there is any advise that you would give him. advice i would do for vice president pence and in fact i wrote to president trump on the first day of his ministration is that after so many years of negotiations the israelis and the palestinians need to know the three need to resolve this problem themselves they need to sit in the room by themselves and how shouting agreement. states needs to inform the israelis and the palestinians that they will be there to help their free choir to provide bridging proposals

despite the palestinian confidence that there is no alternative to u.s. involvement in the peace process how the international community will react is key at some point the israelis and the palestinians will need some sort of framework for talks without the u.s. what that will look like is currently on line imraan khan how does their occupied west bank will go hoffman is chief correspondent at the jerusalem post joins me now from our bureau in west jerusalem good to have you with us mr hoffman if the palestinians are saying as they have that they want to stop security coordination with israel and they want all ties severed with any state that recognizes jerusalem as the capital of israel and transfers its embassy to it what impact is that going to have on palestinian policy in terms of moving forward. those doses harm the palestinian people tremendously that security cooperation that there's been with israel since the mid one nine hundred ninety s. results in there being order in the west bank results and palestinians being able to work and live their liv

to the international community there's really nowhere for the palestinians palestinians to go other than to walk away at this time it's just it's hard to imagine how they face their own public and survive in this context you know and presidents president trumps threat to suspend aid to the palestinians. i mean u.s. aid to the palestinians is two percent of their budget no country no person would would give up a core principle core belief over a two percent loss of finances it just doesn't make sense president from said nobody understands the numbers i think the first person who doesn't understand the numbers is president trump because two percent of it is just not enough to transform a foreign policy of. a movement or people or a foreign government but the problem is that doesn't seem to be anyone stepping into the vacuum you have the israelis playing along with trump right now you have a palestinian leadership which is cornered you quite rightly point out that the u.s. is isolated on an international level but the policy is getting very little support from the arab world there isn'

many palestinians to believe the real purpose of the war is. that we are going into two thousand and one. i'm going to propose that it was for the demographic issue not not there to limit the expansion because that is the freedom accorded to them two thousand and twenty. would be sixty person so by the wall he said that he's going to assure that things will be fifty percent. the wall is basically. we don't want to see the palestinians it's a psychological barrier it's not only that. it's actually a two state solution but the way i want. to get rid of the. many. inside. and to give the israelis the feeling that if the palestinians within. a source is no longer. expanding the future good life would be impossible and. there would no development so they were forced to leave. by themselves which means voluntarily. determined to hang on. is surrounded by the wall. why because it. it's right next to an israeli settlement. and he is adamant he won't be giving up. about a problem. with him can he. had to do for you had to. because if a. woman had looked

in volte it's been stated by the palestinians that they cannot deal with the u.s. as an honest broker is that something israel could get behind as a way to moving the so-called peace process forward. absolutely not. look the palestinians are committed in the oslo accords to negotiate with israel not to negotiate with the us not to negotiate with the french and the belgians or anybody else there goes your actions have to take place with israel it takes two to tango it takes two to determine borders it takes two to agree upon the status of jerusalem and the status of the thirty's and all these issues are on the negotiating table now we know i think a lot of talk of international law i don't know whether. the two other people who are being interviewed are international lawyers i am. they met him at the united states has got the sovereign prerogative to determine whatever they want to determine respect to the the capital of a country and where they want to place their embassy but alan is not going to leave it and let them leave it at such an honest broker when it's try

that decision astronomy angry reaction from the palestinian liberation organization says palestinian access to humanitarian services is not a bargaining chip but a u.s. and international obligation and twenty nations have agreed to push for tougher sanctions on north korea over its nuclear program after a summit in canada russia and china were not invited to the meeting which they say could jeopardize improving relations with pyongyang. and pakistan thousands of opposition supporters are expected to rally in the city of lahore demonstration it's being led by members of the pakistan of wanting to wreak already is still seeking justice for activists killed in clashes with police and two thousand and fourteen hyder is live for us in lahore so while the opposition is putting pressure on the parental government to step down what is it exactly that they want what is this all about. well as you may concern back in june brandi for dean the local police forwarded moved in wardour described as an n.b.a. and george when dr. ward where the goalposts roll god and the. edwards or whatever doesn't

scott: nabil shaath, former palestinian foreign minister and senior advisor to the current palestinian leader, says he, and all palestinians, were blindsided. nabil shaath: everything on their mind had to with mr. netanyahu. palestinians were not on their mind. i don't think they calculate did on the whole the world, actually, not only the palestinians. the thousands of people who took to the streets from jakarta to venezuela. i mean there were so many people who simply found it totally objectionable. scott: and, he says, when it comes to ending the violence in the middle east, this move radically alters the situation. here in the palestinian city of ramallah, many told us they had seen america as an honest broker in the peace process, now, they see betrayal. nabil shaath: you cannot be a broker if you are the enemy of one of the two parties, or if you are only the friend of one the two parties, or if you side with the, with the other party all the time, particularly in important issues, and before you get started. scott: do you ever see yourself at a bargaining table with president tr

palestinian leaders say they won't be blackmailed after the us president threatened to cut aid worth around three quarters of a billion dollars a year donald trump tweeted the threat q. using palestinians not wanting peace talks he also said jerusalem is no longer up for negotiations or relations with the u.s. have plummeted since trump recognized jerusalem as israel's camp. last month the cards threaten money allocated to the palestinian authority most of us funding goes towards development not directly to the authority itself also at risk is funding to the un relief and works agency or which assists palestinian refugees the u.s. is its largest donor both measures if they go ahead would cost around seven hundred sixty five million dollars a year in aid to the palestinians. jhoom reports now from the city of ramallah in the occupied west bank for. a mother of three palestinian refugee children a routine trip to the doctor was already riddled with complications. but after hearing the u.s. may decide to cut more than three hundred million dollars of annual aid to the united nations rel

if i were a palestinian i would seek to have myself and all of my friends and my family of leaders at the local level to a national level be arrested by israel what you need to do is hold a mirror up to the israeli people and say this is what you're creating this is the reality on the ground we're not using violence we will not cooperate with the occupation any more i plead with the public opinion to do internet nonviolent struggle because if you use violence you will never get the support of the israelis for the world. to one british man using a restoration but instead of a nuclear exchange so legislation there is still thinks it is a good day in this case since there's fear that. we've done just enough. welcome back russian opposition figure alexina valmy has been released without charge off to rallies took place in several russian cities on sunday the demonstrators had been protesting about the upcoming presidential election. reported from central moscow around a thousand people have been gathering here in moscow calling for the boycott of the upcoming this march presidential elect

the decision will hurt palestinian refugees scattered across the middle east. these are now more than five million or six million refugees that will be punished for being good a few g.'s b. will be deprived from the schools food to provide to the medical care to people deprived from shelters to people with disabilities this is a very serious blow to the. very important agency that is providing humanitarian aid to palestinian refugees in syria in lebanon jordan and in palestine itself back in june the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley tweeted a picture of her posing with palestinian refugees at a camp in her post she explained how she'd managed to talk with them about their hopes and dreams however two weeks ago she changed her tone calling into question the future funding of the refugee agency i think the president has basically said that he doesn't want to give any additional funding or sed stop funding until the palestinians are agreeing to come back to the negotiation table and what we saw at the resolution was not helpful to the situation we're trying