egypt you know. be able to stop if you appeal from building down on the nile that is history and that is not going to be part of the solution if you appear in willing to use its own resources to build dams on the night the way forward is not for egypt to try and stop the unstoppable. the prospect of upstream countries building dams alarms egyptians especially if that country happens to be ethiopia. only fifteen percent of the nile waters reaching egypt originate in the great lakes region yet eighty five percent come from the ethiopian highlands from three main tributaries the sabbat blue nile and the barra. any dam built in ethiopia would pose a serious threat to egypt's water supply. the likelihood of such a scenario is creating tension between the two countries. the transparency and consultation was not happening between the two countries. because of because of suspicion because of. fear i think but there's a long fear. only be probably addictions because the water is coming from the air from ethio

egypt's former anti-corruption chief has been detained his daughter says thirty policemen stormed his home in cairo before leading him away graner has recently spoken out over the arrest of. a former military chief of staff the trial of a palestinian teenager charged with assaulting an israeli soldier has been a journey into march after a judge ordered the case be heard behind closed doors i had to mean he was arrested in december after a video of a slapping and hitting israeli soldiers went viral she faces twelve charges including assault and incitement she could spend up to ten years in prison if found guilty there's a top stories inside story is up next. egypt's former army chief of staff sami arnaout is said to have secret documents that could be released if he's threatened with a controversial election just weeks away how will this case be played out and is there a rift within the army this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm i'm a jew him egypt has gone from one political crisis to the next since a military coup in two thousand and thirteen now with presidentia

if egypt is added to these countries? what will happen? it is an international security issue. experts say egypt has the right to be angry. a dam was being discussed but ethiopia started building without telling egypt during the arab spring. the impact downstream has not been properly assessed and although the great ethiopian renaissance dam would extract water, filling it too quickly will reduce the flow downstream and it is a trust issue. ethiopia can now control the river. it is very much a game changer. now if ethiopia is combining the physical power of being upstream country that can in one way or another control the nile flow and the economic power of being able to construct a dam depending on its own domestic resources, so, yeah, it's an indication, it is a manifestation that the power balance is changing in the region, economically, politically and strategically as well. the last stretch of the nile is where its famous cotton is grown alongside crops like rice, a notoriously thirsty crop. irrigating fields by floo

a family in egypt, the average family in egypt is five persons, so it means1 million will bejobless. he says that means more migrants heading to europe and more people to be recruited by terror groups. all europe and egypt are suffering from what is happening in syria and libya and other countries so what if egypt is added to these countries? what will happen? so it is an international security issue. experts say egypt has the right to be angry. a dam was being discussed but ethiopia started building without telling egypt judging the arab spring. the impact downstream has not been properly assessed and although the great ethiopian renaissance dam or gerd won't extract water when it's finished, it will reduce the flow downstream and it is a trust issue. ethiopia can now control the river. it is very much a game changer. now if ethiopia is combining the physical power of being upstream country that can in one way or another control the nile flow and the economic power of being able to construct the dam depending on its own domestic resources, so yeah, it's an indication, it is a manife

egypt's former army chief of staff sami ana is said to have secret documents that could be released if he's threatened with a controversial election just weeks away how will this case be played out and is there a rift within the army this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program i'm. egypt has gone from one political crisis to the next since a military coup in two thousand and thirteen now with presidential elections just weeks away the situation appears to get worse last month former army chief of staff general sami announced he would stand for elections only to be arrested some weeks later his former aide in egypt's one state auditor who was arrested on tuesday during an interview with the huffington post arabic network on monday again i had said he would release secret documents that could implicate senior government leaders if a man is harmed in any way here's some of what he had to say. demanded the host an opportunity given to the chief of staff summing anon to give testimony freely and without intimidation for the record so that all things come clear before the public i

ahmed do you believe that this current operation is more about egypt and the politics of egypt with this looming presidential election if not what are some of the other factors behind all of this. some analysts have argued that the current operation has to do with the elections that sisi wants to. mobilize the gyptian is behind after securing a victory in sinai i'm not sure that this is the case egypt doesn't need to mobilize egyptians behind him his peers practically running unopposed in the elections i think the timing has to do with if we if we look back at the last week a couple of weeks ago there was this article from the new york times plame in that israel waged many air raids in the sinai with the with the tacit approval of the. the secret approval of the egyptian government and then right after that there were two articles in habits one of them was basically criticizing egypt for not finishing the job in sinai and the argument was and this is an argument that we've heard from the americans and the israelis over the last couple of years that. air force alone bombing the terro

and party leader iman noor who fled egypt in two thousand and thirteen. ownership structure is more opaque but its donors have clear links to the brotherhood which makes the network an ultra sensitive issue in egypt when an international market research firm published a survey last year showing that mecca mylene was the country's most watched television channel the authorities closed down the firm's cairo offices the official reason given concerns over health and safety in the workplace travel restrictions on egyptian journalists have recently been widened to include turkey again the c.c. government cited safety concerns calling turkey a war zone which will come as breaking news to turks and the egyptian journalists working their demand that when a little why are they coming to the opposition whether it's politicians or journalists all need to breathe to have some fresh air surely politicians journalists citizens we're all suffocating in egypt the media have only one thing on a paper and a pen or a camera and they're considered enemies of the regime but t

from mr jealous and with the united states to continue to work and support egypt. and other to continue to work together towards achieving. this is what i retreated to him as we egypt of maintaining this positive friendly relationship which will no doubt bring about more stability and security and push forward towards achieving a lasting peace in the middle east this also as a said will help a shift move forward dearing the joint meeting also we discussed the proposal made by the state of the united states secretary of state of the folder and he'll make an ism in the to wordsmith taining and the channels which we agreed to form two plus two in other words the with the foreign and defense ministers of both the countries this will help boost the means of cooperation that's why we agreed upon convening this thread. in the summer and then and the second half of this year i will get to the. by this time i will have worked for two words completing all the groundwork for this summit whereby we will be certain of that positive outcomes will be brought about. by her once ag

the river is egypt's lifeline. ahmed: it's the center line in my life, i think in all egyptian's lives. without the river nile, egypt is just a desert. just a desert. that's it. for me, without the river nile, my life would be just a desert. reporter: egypt is mainly made up of barren wasteland -- sand and stones. the nile provides 95% of the country's water supply. fields are irrigated with water from the nile. ahmed, the rower, is an agricultural consultant. farmers share their worries with him. mohammed: if the water go down, egypt will be a desert. an old civilization, like old ancient egypt, the nile valley. if this goes down, it would be a catastrophe. reporter: many fear that this is exactly what could happen when the grand ethiopian dam upriver is completed. egypt would not have as much water for irrigation. ahmed: if you stop irrigating, the salty water will get up, and you will be affected for many years. if you keep growing the land, you won't have any problem. but if you stop, if you have no water for s

is very important we don't want to egypt to fail as a country we want to egypt to survive as a state and i think this carry on is not going to help the matters the public in egypt is very unhappy the country is not transparencies as many sauza in sim prisons intimidation in daily basis people being killed. it is just a country cannot run this where week to week magic if santa ana does indeed have these incriminating documents that are going in claims that he has why would he not have used them by now well let's not forget that he is a military man and he was the second in command so it really depends on what are in those documents as i said it might actually implicate him himself because this was not only the kind of. the one off. incident it was a matter of systematic policy soul and it was the military. establishment i mean. a man is not a hero himself he was part of this regime and he remains a part of it so we just have to see if those documents exist what's in those documents and how far is he willing to release and this is his kind of last resort if he really has to but since i

has in the past raised concerns about egypt's ties with north korea what is egypt doing to cut those ties i'm not sure i could hear the in the last part of your question. diplomatic process. well as to as to the vice president's comments about. potentially having talks and whether it's the start of a diplomatic process i think it's it's too early to judge as we've said for some time it's really up to the north koreans to decide when they're ready to engage with us and i sincere was a meaningful way they know what has to be on the table for conversations. we've said for some time that i think it's important that we have we're going to need to have some discussions that preceded any form of negotiation to determine whether the parties are in fact ready to engage in something that's meaningful in order for us to then put together the construct of a negotiation so we'll just have to wait and see. we did discuss with the secretary still is to the issues related to north korea of the korean peninsula and the security of that region egypt has had normal diplomatic ties with north korea as d

i think even though egypt is i think even though egypt is moving towards and easing cycle, we believe that the measures will be contained and are looking to take portfolios very much into account. as things stand at the moment, the interest rate differential is still very supported, we have seen a leveling off already of portfolio inflow with expectations of this cycle. at the same time, we have egypt increasingly looking to borrow overseas and in europe. inflow, thereal are the reserves as well. they will definitely balance this, we think the easing cycle will be relatively gradual. in terms of including to cut last week, we expected this to be between 300 and 400 points. this is compared to 700 points of hike from 2016. we feel the differential will be positive. with all of the beneficiary so far, it has been a short time, the egyptian stocks and sectors, with industrials and thanks, off the backs of that rate cut, where does that leave your projection for the egyptian pound? we expect broad stability, perhaps some weakening. spikeg that is going to inflation or impact capital inflo

egypt looks locked in the past. elections are coming, but president sisi doesn't need to worry about the outcome. several potential challengers have been intimidated out of the race. many here are concerned about security amid bomb attacks by therso=calledlslam+ci5tatk president sisi says he is waging war on terror. but human rights campaigners say he is using that as a pretext to wage war on dissent. having been here for overfour years, i know a lot of the problems that egypt is facing. there are real economic issues. there are serious security threats from islamic state. but this is the most populous country in the arab world, and if egypt can't steer a course towards real democracy, that's a problem for the middle east and it's a problem for the west. and i'm leaving here with questions. how long before all of the repression here starts to backfire? and how many more prisons can the regime fill? hello. if you've been watching our forecasts for the last few days or so, ican forecasts for the last few days or so, i

. -- cuts in egypt. this is an easing cycle after record high borrowing, it attracted $20 billion of local currency debt. tracy alloway and i got more on the chief economist. >> i was expecting a bigger cut, i know that seems like a lot in the context of emerging markets. remember, rates were raised 700 basis points from the time of the devaluation up until last week. this is the first step of a very long journey to go. to be perfectly honest, i don't look too deeply into the monetary policy statements out of the central bank of egypt these days. when it comes to insight that it can provide on the future course of policy, i found them somewhat lacking. tracy: you are phrasing every diplomatically. >> i am trying to be diplomatic. from my perspective, it is a big cut, it is encouraging, it shows there is confidence. remember, 100 points is only half of the surprise hike we saw in july of 2017 when they raise -- they raised rates 200 points when everyone thought the hike tightening cycle was over. we have

egypt looks locked in the past. elections are coming, but president sisi doesn't need to worry about the outcome. several potential challengers have been intimidated out of the race. many here are concerned about security amid bomb attacks by the so—called islamic state. president sisi says he is waging war on terror. but human rights campaigners say he is using that as a pretext to wage war on dissent. having been here for overfour years, i know a lot of the problems that egypt is facing. there are real economic issues. there are serious security threats from islamic state. but this is the most populous country in the arab world, and if egypt can't steer a course towards real democracy, that's a problem for the middle east and it's a problem for the west. and i'm leaving here with questions. how long before all of the repression here starts to backfire? and how many more prisons can the regime fill? the coldest snap this winter season is likely to continue this week when there is more snow in the forecast. snow h

extra state pledges to help egypt to defeat i sold. and investigators search for the cause of the plane crash which killed all seventy one people on board in russia . today rebuilding iraq after nearly three years of war with i still is going to cost nearly ninety billion dollars that's according to iraqi officials who are attending an international donors conference in kuwait iraq has published a list of one hundred fifty seven projects it seeking investment for to provide jobs and new homes for some of the two and a half million people displaced by the fighting they toss battles schools businesses infrastructure and telecommunications iraq says about one hundred thirty eight thousand homes and apartment blocks were damaged during the fight against arsenal half of which were completely destroyed some he said on reports from kuwait . ngos here the conference of pledged over three hundred million dollars to various humanitarian projects inside iraq and quite the engineers say they'll force about a third of that bill now that number stil

secretary of state rex tillerson begins his middle east tour with a promise to help egypt defeat armed groups. the search for answers russian investigators sweep through snow covered fields to find out why a passenger plane crashed plus. a month ago across the cloud bridge projects in costa rica where reforestation efforts could provide an important lesson for the rest of the world. when iraq's prime minister declared the war with i saw was over last year it signaled the beginning of efforts to rebuild the devastated country much of it left in ruins the price tag one hundred billion dollars now in kuwait a donor conference is underway to help finance the massive endeavor sammy dan is at that conference. big task ahead in trying to rebuild the country and securing the funds to do that. absolutely has him we can tell you a little bit about some numbers coming into this conference and that is that n.g.o.s have got together and they're pledging. three how over three hundred million dollars to go towards various humanitarian operations inside iraq and apparently kuwaiti n.g.o.s he said they

now on bbc news, it's time for our world: crushing dissent in egypt. welcome to egypt. enticing images of timeless hospitality and ancient attractions. a picture postcard view the authorities are keen to promote. but there is another egypt — a military—backed regime where dreams of freedom have been crushed, and this is the approach to dissent. in the last few minutes, the police have been using tear gas and they've been using live rounds. i've been the bbc‘s correspondent in egypt for the past four years. i've tracked the escalating crackdown on the streets. gatherings like this are few and far between. gunfire. and i've witnessed peaceful protesters being targeted. this way. i've never seen a regime as bloody as sisi's regime. a regime where growing numbers simply disappear. this regime is based on terror, and torture is one detail of that. press freedom is under attack. much of the brutality goes unseen. this is a story the regime would prefer us not to tell. it all looked so different seven years ago. this was tahrir square in february 2011 — the night the p

egypt is angry about ethiopia's dam. the water is coming to egypt roduced by 2%, loss 1000 acres of land. thfamily in egypt is about five persons. this means about one million will be jobless. reporter: experts say egypt is right to be angry about the dam. building began without consultation in the middle of the arab spring. thect downstream imas not been assessed. building the reservoir to quickly will reduce the river's flow. there is suspicion over ethiopia's intentions. >> this is very much a game changer. now for the first time, it is combining the physical power of being an extreme country in the wave of another control, and the economic power of being able to onconstruct a dam dependints own domestic resources. report: war over water can be avoided through strong leadership and diplomacy. it can even be a model of how countries learn to share great rivers. but for now it is up to ethiopia, sudan, and egypt to navigate tension on the world's longest river. laura: if you haven't seen it yet, make sure to go to the b

and party leader iman noor who fled egypt in two thousand and thirteen. ownership structure is more opaque but its donors have clear links to the brotherhood which makes the network an ultra sensitive issue in egypt when an international market research firm published a survey last year showing that mecca mylene was the country's most watched television channel the authorities closed down the firm's cairo offices the official reason given concerns over health and safety in the workplace travel restrictions on egyptian journalists have recently been widened to include turkey again the c.c. government cited safety concerns calling turkey a war zone which will come as breaking news to turks and the egyptian journalists working their demand that when a little why are they coming to the opposition whether it's politicians or journalists all need to breathe to have some fresh air surely politicians journalists citizens we're all suffocating in egypt the media have only one thing a paper and a pen or a camera and they're considered enemies of the regime but the

egypt looks locked in the past. elections are coming but the president does not need to worry about the outcome. several potential to help meet challenges have been intimidated out of the race. —— potential challengers. many here are concerned about security and the bomb attacks by the so—called islamic state. the president says he is waging war on terror. but human rights campaigners say he is using that as a pretext to wage war on dissent. having been here for overfour wage war on dissent. having been here for over four years wage war on dissent. having been here for overfour years i know wage war on dissent. having been here for over four years i know a lot of the problems that egypt is facing. there are real economic issues. there are serious security threats from islamic state. but this is the most populous country in the arab world and if- cannot steer arab world and if egypt cannot steer a course towards real democracy, thatis a course towards real democracy, that is the problem for the middle east and

state pledges to help egypt to defeat i sold. civilians running for cover as security forces and fighters exchanged gunfire in indian administered kashmir. and the rebuilding iraq after nearly three years of war with eisel is going to cost nearly one hundred billion dollars that's according to iraqi officials who are attending an international donors conference in kuwait iraq has published a list of one hundred fifty seven projects seeking investment for to provide jobs a new homes for some of the two and a half million people displaced by the fighting that includes hospitals schools businesses infrastructure and telecommunications iraq says about one hundred thirty eight thousand homes and apartment blocks were damaged during the fight against arsenal half of which were completely destroyed some as a down reports now from kuwait. this is what so-called liberation from a nice a look like to his knowledge and his family it's been six months since iraq's prime minister declared nineveh province freed house is still in ruins so is m

secretary of state pledges to help egypt to defeat i still. investigators in russia search for the cause of the plane crash which killed all seventy one people on board. and revealed for the first time the official portraits of iraq and michelle obama. are more welcome to the program our top story south africa is the country's state media is reporting that president jacob zuma has been given forty eight hours to resign the decision comes after a marathon meeting held by the ruling a.n.c. party's national executive committee to finalize whom his future in the last hour the president of the party cyril ramaphosa was on his way to meet zuma to inform him of the party's decision he's facing a number of allegations of corruption but has refused to stand down before his term ends next year and i'll speak on the phone to for me to miller who's in johannesburg and for me given where the a.n.c. stands i suppose no surprise that they would have reached this decision for jacob zuma to leave within forty eight hours but does it mean that he will do that.

sudan has had a decades long deal with egypt. but now it is in a conflict over how much water it can use. regional rivalries here go back to the pyramids. egypt was once ruled from here thousands of years ago. hours on the nile rise and fall. luxor‘s temples represent thousands of years of egypt's powers set in temples represent thousands of years of egypt‘s powers set in stone, temples represent thousands of years of egypt's powers set in stone, a proud symbol of the nation's identity. this man has been a fisherman on the nile for years. he is concerned. translation: they said the water will not be affected, but only god knows what will happen. if they jammed the river, there will be wars and fighting. but it is not a fee to be taken and fighting. but it is not a fee to be ta ken lightly. and fighting. but it is not a fee to be taken lightly. egypt relies on the nile for most of its water. —— it is not a feud to be taken lightly. ethiopia's dam makes them angry. what does it mean? lost 200,000 acres of land. one acre at

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around a story that we reported earlier allegations that egypt has been fighting armed groups in the sinai with the help of israeli airstrikes ahmad badawi is a senior researcher at the center for middle east on the north african politics of the free university of berlin he joins us now via skype good to have you with us and what you make of this new york times report detailing all of this to what extent is it confirming an open secret. well the open secret has always been that there is very close security cooperation between egypt and israel in the sinai what i find puzzling in this report is that the egyptian air force after after the agreement after getting into this israel is allowed to operate freely all over sinai so it's not clear why is there a need why was there a need for bishops in air force to strike in sinai the problem of the egyptian military has never been its striking capability but rather is intelligence gathering capability anyway if the information is correct and this of course would be he would really embarrassing for the egyptian government for one simple reason

in egypt. the state is pretty much employing all of the tools that we see repressive regimes around the world employed to restrict have expressed all at once so there is direct intimidation harassment arrest of human rights defenders and journalists and activists. torture and mistreatment of these individuals once they're arrested in their detained. reporters without borders is an international organization monitoring media freedom. in twenty seventeen it published a press freedom index a league table of different countries on the a treatment of the media and journalists to try to egypt number one hundred and sixty one out of a hundred and eighty in the a block list of countries considered what they called the prisons for journalists national might be how much. was that at the woman you know and how how much of a booklet given that the. as of. a scene one thing i think i had. in the absence of any judicial process the d.p. media set to work on the case of mahmoud abbas saying in. t.v. channels

egypt was once ruled from here 2000 yea rs egypt was once ruled from here 2000 years ago. powers on the nile rise and fall, and ethiopia's influence is growing. water is generally becoming highly politicised, not only in this region but elsewhere. but i think there is always, as in our case between the three countries, if the political will is around involving the high up authorities in three countries, i think it will work out. but the diplomatic row is far from settled. where the river's two great tribute meet in khartoum, the blue nile from its european supplies 85% of the water. so the dam and its ability to control the flow is making downstrea m control the flow is making downstream egypt nervous. alistair lee purdey, bbc news, sudan. —— alastair leithead. and tomorrow we'll hear why egypt is so concerned about the dam that's being built in the last of our special reports on the nile. a senior north korean general will attend the closing ceremony of the winter olympic games this weekend. a case of mixed fortunes for austria. they celebrated gold after anna gasser

over human rights and democracy in the country and egypt remains of a u.s. ally in the fight against extremists of attila's since trying to get a fine line diplomatically in cairo is doing well here's but at the same time the trumpet administration hasn't really demonstrated strong interest in trying to actually hold him to account on a number of these kinds of questions yes they would hold a little bit of that aid a lot of that came specifically from the congress and not so much from the administration and so one of the things that he signaled today is that he's not really interested in questioning the upcoming elections and whether they're going to be free and open as is the u.s. has previously said they want it given that egypt's foreign minister said that he hopes the u.s. will respect the need for quote stability in egypt more or less saying that our domestic policies are our own and none of your business. egypt's not at all concerned to listen is not giving them the sort of message that would make them concerned about u.s. misgivings over human rights

secretary of state rex tillerson begins his middle east tour with a promise to help egypt defeat armed groups. the search for answers russian investigators sweep through snow covered fields to find out why a passenger plane crashed and it's crunch time for south africa's ruling party as it meets to decide on president jacob zuma his future. when iraq's prime minister declared the war with eisel was over last year it signaled the beginning of efforts to rebuild the devastated country much of it left in ruins the price tag some one hundred billion dollars in kuwait a donor conference is on the way to help or at least try to help finance the massive and iraq has published a list of one hundred fifty seven projects that it wants to help to build to provide joe. you homes for some of the two and a half million people displaced by the fighting it includes hospitals schools businesses and telecommunications iraq says that around one hundred thirty eight thousand homes and apartment blocks were damaged some may say that has more from kuwait city. this is what so-called liberation from ice a lo

the open secret has always been that there is very close security cooperation between egypt and israel in the sinai and what i find puzzling in this report is that the egyptian air force after after the agreement after get into the israel is allowed to operate freely all over sinai so it's not clear why is there a need why was there a need for the egyptian air force to strike in sinai the problem of the egyptian military has never been its striking capability but rather is intelligence gathering capability anyway if the information is correct and this of course would be healed really embarrassing for the egyptian government for one simple reason because it indicates that the egyptian military is no longer able to protect its own territory and to do this it has to rely on its own folks israel because the regime has been building its legitimacy on protecting its capacity to protect us from terrorists now when we ship sions wake up to realize that the regime is doing this with the cooperation of israel. it is really earth drugs and cyanide is a very sensitive issue. because they would per

if the water is reduced coming to egypt by even 296. is reduced coming to egypt by even 2%. what does this mean? a loss of 100,000 acres of land. one acre at least next one family survive. a family size, the average family size is about five people. that means 1 million will bejobless. is about five people. that means 1 million will be jobless. experts say egypt is right to be angry about the dam, building began without consultation in the middle of the arab spring. filling the reservoir to quickly will reduce the rivers flow. there is also suspicion over ethiopian intentions. it is very much a game changer. now for the first time they are compiling the power of being an upstream country, ina way, power of being an upstream country, in a way, controlling the nile flow and also the economic power of being able to construct a dam depending on its own domestic resources. war over water can be avoided, through strong leadership and diplomacy. it could even be a model of how countries could learn to share great rivers, but for now it is up to ethiopian, saddam and egypt to naviga

secretary of state pages to help egypt to defeat i sell also. in london where the charity the new scrutiny from the government after allegations of sexual exploitation by stuff in haiti. are going to the program our top story pressure has been mounting for jacob zuma to stand down as south africa's president for the past seven hours his party the a.n.c. has been meeting to discuss his fate for more gathering which is being dubbed as hash tag zax it on social media is a final attempt to pressure zuma into resigning and see president cyril ramaphosa ramped up the pressure on sunday saying the issue is causing disunity and discord he's facing a number of allegations of corruption but has refused to stand down before his term ends next year for me to milan has more from john is bug. the agency's national executive committee the top decision making body has been meeting for hours it's expected to recall president jacob zuma from his position the president would then need to resign but all indications are this may not happen zoomers existed calls to s