notice the source is john barron. it turns out the in a 1990 lawsuit trump himself reportedly admitted under oath that on occasion he has used that name. in the heat of the 2016 campaign another alter ego resurfaced. the "washington post" published an old interview with trump posing as a publicist as john miller a name he appeared to use for media calls like this one with a people magazine reporter asking about trump's break up with marla maples. >> he gets called for everybody. he gets called by everybody in the book in terms of women. >> trump later told people magazine it was just a joke. but then on nbc this. >> it was not me on the phone. it doesn't sound like me on the phone. >> an audio forensic expert disputed that. >> i'm confident it's jump trump. >> john miller, barron, whatever the name seems they lead back to donald trump. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach, florida. >> joining me now is trump biographer. this is bizarre. it shows the extent to which he wanted to be seen as being incredibly rich and getting his

john barron before. >> absolutely. yeah. yeah. family story. >> back during the campaign, i remember there was this report that trump had made calls to reporters in the '70s, '80s and '90s, pretending to be b a publicist named john miller. here's what then candidate told jimmy kimmel about this report. listen. >> to me, that doesnidn't sounde my voice. >> nobody sounds like themselves when they hear themselves. you go, oh, that's me, but to me, it sounded just like you. >> 30 years. >> and if it was you, i think it was a funny thing to do, to call a guy and take him through the ringer. >> oifr the years, i've used aliases. i used the name barron. using my son because i made a very geed deal using that name. >> there you go. ipg it's interesting when you hear him initially deny, but then as soon as kimmel said it was funny, he said he uses these aliases. why do you think that is? >> this is somebody who you know, he's always looking for the advantage. suddenly, the advantage looked like it was in a slightly different pl

notice the source is john barron. turns out in a 1990 lawsuit, trump position reportedly admitted under oath that on occasion he has used that name. in the heat of the 2016 campaign, another alter ego resurfaced. the "washington post" published an old interview with trump posing as a publicist named john miller, a name he appeared to use so he could handle media calls. like this one with a "people" magazine reporter asking about trump's breakup with girlfriend marla maples. he later told "people" that it was just a joke, but then on nbc, this -- >> that was not me on the phone. and it doesn't sound like me. >> reporter: an audio forensic expert disputed that. >> i'm confident that it is donald trump. >> reporter: john miller, john barron, whatever the name, seems they all lead back to donald trump. randi kaye, cnn, palm beach, florida. >>> i'm just natalie allen and you're just eye svivank cabrera. just hear to tell you about the london marathon that could be the hottest on record. >> that is not good. hottest on reco

>> john. >> john. >> john barron. >> let me tell you what the deal is just so you understand. >> okay. >> mr. trump -- first of all, most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump, you know, because you have down fred trump. and i'd like to talk to you off the record, if i can. >> okay, sure. >> but i think you can really use donald trump now and you can just consolidate it. i think last year somebody showed me the article, and i think he had 200 and 200, and the other's been pretty well consolidated now for the most part, as i also think somebody had mentioned that you had asked about that or somebody had. and it's been pretty well consolidated, okay? >> it was a tremendous deal from any standpoint, i guess, but what i think you might want to do is at some point maybe after that before you right your little article, maybe you want to call me again and sit down because i'd like to discuss a couple things. i look at the forbes from my standpoint as being important. and i don't think that in numerous cases, and i can only judge by the new york realtors that you mentioned, i don'

>> john. >> john barron. let me tell you what the deal is just so you understand. first of all, most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump, you know, because you have down fred trump. somebody had mentioned you had asked about that and it's been pretty well consolidated, okay? >> greenberg noted that at the time he pushed back on trump's claims about his net worth but didn't realize how much he inflated his own numbers. greenberg points out this was a model trump would use for the rest of his career. telling a lie so cosmic that people believed that some kernel of it had to be true. the tactic landed him a place he hadn't hearnearned on the forbet and led to future accolades, press cover and deals. i'm joined by columnist tim o'brien, the author of trump nation. trump sued him for libel after he reported a relatively low estimate of trump's net worth. i don't know if that's libellous, tim, but thank you for coming on. >> it's good to be here, chris. >> i was joshing earlier. we have a president of the united states with at least three aliases. as i poin

trump has long denied he was john barron or john miller. who would call gossip columnists. >> you think that sounded like me? >> over the year, i've used aliases! wh ? >> i useded the name barron. >> there it is. not just a name for aalias, but naming his youngest child. those were from the 1980s, but if you fos warford to to presidential campaign, he's claiming he's worth $10 billion. we have not seen his tax returns. so we have reached out to the white house. they didn't respond. also the trump organization, they didn't want to comment. sfwl so it does sound like he's the one who picked the name, barron. now to jonathan. you know, when we hear on that tape, first of all, it's the sentence structure, the cadence, word choice that makes it clear it's donald trump, but alex played donald trump at that time and john barron and you could hear that while the president's voice now may have changed a little bit in how deep it is, those two voices are the same. so you decided to go back and li b b to these tapes. why are you releasing them now? >>

>> john. >> john. >> john barron. >> most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump, because, you know, i think you can really use donald trump now and you can just consolidate -- >> are you saying that perhaps for tax purposes, it's been -- the ownership has been transferred to donald trump? >> correct. that's correct. >> okay. and when you say in excess of 90% of the ownership. >> i would say in excess of 90% -- in fact, it's really cloer closer to even the ultimate, but in excess of 90%. >> i'm now joined by my special guest, jonathan greenberg. why is this audio coming out now? what do you want people to know? >> well, i didn't find the audio until a few months ago. and i want people to know the extent to which, you know, trump's entire business entire and reputation as a successful businessman is based upon deception. to the extent -- and in a way, it's sort of unbelievable, until you hear it with your own ears. so when i unearthed these aid audiotapes, i saw, john barron, vp of finance 1984 for the "forbes" richest list. i was like, wait a minute. and i l

john barron. >> reporter: he's back, john barron, the name first heard in the 1980s who spoke for donald trump, sounded like donald trump, but was never seen or met, and yet the president denies that he, in fact, is barron. >> most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump because you have down fred trump. >> reporter: in this audio recording just released from 1984, the so-called barron is claiming to a reporter that the assets of trump's wealthy father, fred, are, in fact, donald's. >> okay, and when you say, you know, in excess of 90% of the ownership? >> i would say in excess of 90, in fact, it's actually really closer to the ultimate, but in excess of 90%, yes. >> reporter: so, he says, trump deserves a higher spot on the new "forbes" 400 list of the wealthiest americans. >> and it's been pretty well consolidated, okay? so that's one point that you can -- >> now, is that including the residential units? >> yes, everything's been consolidated, basically, now and over the last couple of years, they've been working on it. >> reporter: as "forbes" was launching its now-famous li

you can never get enough john barron and never get enough john barron audiotapes. it's amazing it's still coming out now. alex, thank you. >>> moments ago, the democratic party filing suit accusing russia, the trump campaign and wikileaks of a far-fledged conspiracy to disrupt the 2016 election. what does this mean now? that's ahead. get it for jean who's always cold. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew. give us the data we need. in one place, anywhere we need it. help us do our jobs better. with domo we can run this place together. well that's that's your job i guess. ♪ i no wondering, "what if?" uncertainties of hep c. i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who've have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. before starting harvoni, your doctor will test to see if you've ever had he

barron. ( conversation in graphics ) >> trevor: even the ultimate? it's amazing to me even with all the effort trump put into getting on to the forbes list, he still never thought of doing a different voice. he just changed his name. and knowing trump he probably put on a full costume with a fake mask, prosthetic nose and used his own voice on the call, it's me, john barron, not donald trump, you can tell from my mu stash and different nose. ( laughter ) trump lying to forbes, it could be seen as someone trying to boost his ego, but turns out trump's lie may have gotten him more than flattering press. >> because donald never had an actual statement of his assets and liabilities, he used the forbes 400 and statement of inflated assets to borrow billions of dollars which eused to build "the atlantic" city and overleverage himself. >> he wanted to use the forbes list to fraudulently induce people to fund him in ways they otherwise would not? >> that's correct, i think h he did that. >> trevor: this is mind blowing. trump lied to get on to the forbes lis

>> john. john barron. >> reporter: he's back. john barron. the name first heard in the 1980s who spoke for donald trump, sounded like donald trump, but was never seen or met. and yet the president denies that he, in fact, is barron. >> most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump. >> reporter: in this audio recording just released from 1984, the so-called barron is claiming the assets of trump's wealthy father fred are in fact, donald's. >> and when you say 90% of the ownership? >> i'd say in excess of 90. well, it's really closer to even the ultimate, but it's in excess of 90%, yes. >> reporter: so trump deserves a higher spot on the new forbes 400 list of the wealthiest americans. >> it's been pretty well consolidated. so that's one point that -- >> now is that just the -- is that including the residential units? >> everything has been consolidated now and over the last couple of years, they've been working on it. >> reporter: as forbes was launching its now famous list of wealthy millionaires and billionaires, trump was in regula

>> john barron doesn't exist, ali. it is donald trump, as you know, there are some other -- there is another audio of donald trump in 1982 calling me, which was on the record, and you could hear the voices are very similar. they are the same. and you know -- i made an off the record understanding with a fictitious character. so i don't believe there is any need to honor the concept of something being off the record if the person doesn't exist is and is being used as a deception so that he could lie to you. i mean, this is really, you know, standard operating procedure for donald trump was to -- and he learned it from roy cohen who we also have a tape for, he learn i had from roy cohen to call and say it's off the record and then plant deceptiver fictitious information into the media. so i believe that -- you know, i found the tapes, i was -- you know, from my days in the forbes 400. and it was just fascinating to me that you know -- when i listened to what john barron had to say and weaved them into the narrative what

we knew about john barron during the presidential campaign. there was another tape very similar to this. i think michael cohen poses a far larger threat. >> before i let you go, i want to get to stormy daniels' attorney michael avenatti, who says in order for michael cohen to save himself, he's going to have to turn on the president. what are your sources telling you? i want to have you both answer this. ayesha, you can go first. >> i think right now it's unclear exactly where michael cohen stands. i think clearly if he's going to face serious time, there could be issues there for the president and issues with whether he's going to make the decision to cooperate. i think when you see these tweets from the president, it seems that's what's on his mind. you know, it he trying to reassure michael cohen that he should stand firm and that he shouldn't cooperate, and also when he talks about giving out pardons, is he reminding michael cohen he does have that power. >> jeremy, your thoughts on this? >> well, my sources tell me, alex, that there is re

and this predated barron, so he named the son after the alias. >> he loved john barron so much he named his son after him. could president trump's fixer michael cohen turn on president trump and the shocking statement made in a los angeles court. stay with us. behr presents: ordinary versus overachiever. a lot of paints say they can do the job, but just one can "behr" through it all. behr premium plus, a top rated interior paint at a great price. family friendly, disaster proof. find it exclusively at the home depot. >>> back with our national lead, president trump's personal lawyer and fixer michael cohen would ko be indicted in the next 90 days. that was the argument leveled in court by his own attorneys. who are seeking delay proceedings in a lawsuit filed by stormy daniels. her real name is stephanie clifford is suing to dismiss the $130,000 nondisclosure agreement that she signed with cohen on behalf of president trump days before the 2016 election. cnn miguel marquez is outside of the court in los angeles and he is under federal criminal investigation in new york. did the judge ha

he said that donald trump pretended to be someone named john barron, got on the phone and lied about his wealth to get on the "forbes 400" list. listen to the audio he said he rediscovered here. >> most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump. you i would like to talk to you off the record, if i can, to make your thing easier. >> sure, that's fine. >> but you can just consolidate it. i think last year someone showed me the article, i think you had 200 and 200 and it has been pretty well consolidated for the most part and i think someone mentioned you asked about that and it has been pretty well consolidated, okay. >> his math is questionable to say the least. our senior national correspondent alex marquardt with that. >> he said he was being misled by the person he believed was donald trump. we know that trump has used his alias in the past as well as the alias john miller to reporters. trump admitted he used the alias bar barron when he was running for president. rewind two years, 1982, the first time that forbes put out this list, he called up greenburg and told him that

>> john. john barron. >> does fred trump make any money management decision? >> oh, yeah, sure, he's the chairman. donald's the president and fred trump is active. he's an excellent guy. you know, they're very close, the relationship of the two is, as you've heard or perhaps you don't know, but they're very close. but trump is active in the business. >> yeah, we have this really strange technical thing, mr. barron, in terms of who owns, you know, who holds the equity. i mean, are you saying that perhaps for tax purposes, it's been -- the ownership has been transferred to donald trump? >> correct. that's correct. >> and when you say in excess of 90% of the ownership? >> i would say in excess -- in fact, it's really closer to even the ultimate, but in excess of 90%, yes. >> greenberg writes that he and "forbes" did push back on trump at the time, but eventually he learned that trump should not have been on the first three "forbes" 400 lists at all. quote, in our first-ever list in 1982, we included him at $100 million. but trump was actually worth roughly $5 mil

>> john. >> john. >> john barron, let me tell you what the deal is just so you understand. mr. trump first of all, most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump, you know, because you have down fred trump. and i'd like to talk to you off the record if i can, just to make your thing easier. >> and i think this is pretty crazy. he had $5 million at the time and claiming he was a billionaire. and he went to such lengths to further that falsehood that he made up a personna. he has kind of this funny accent he's putting on the it is him. and i think that just kind of shows the lengths to which truth is not a hurdle for this president. >> that is an interesting way of putting it. lisz goodwin, thank you so much. ali vitalli, always good to have you. thank you for being here. that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. at the top of the hour, "politics nation" with rev aeer al sharpton. but right now, it's time for "your business" with jj ramberg. stay with us. we may be one of the world's most familiar companies, but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea comp

>> john. >> john. >> john barron. first of all, most of the assets have been consolidated to mr. trump, you know, because you have down fred trump. and i'd like to talk to you off the record if i can, just to make your thing easier. >> okay, sure. >> is that all right? >> yeah, that's fine. but i think you can really use donald trump now and you can just consolidate it. >> he pretended to be his own publicist named john barron. that's real. >>> coming up, mike pompeo does not have the support of the senate relations committee. but he may become secretary of state just the same. we'll explain, next. i'm not a bigwig. or a c-anything-o. but i've got an idea sir. get domo. it'll connect us to everything that's going on in the company. get it for jean who's always cold. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew. give us the data we need. in one place, anywhere we need it. help us do our jobs better. with domo we can run this place together. well that's that's your job i guess. ♪ >>> i think mike pompeo is extraordinary. he was top at harvard. he is a great gentleman. i think he

jonathan greenberg said he was tricked by trump himself posing as john barron. you can hear it for yourself. >> most of the assets have been consolidated. i would like to talk to you off the record in this case. >> yeah that's fine. >> use donald trump now and you can just consolidate it. last year someone showed me the article. i think you had 200 and 200. it's been pretty well consolidated now. i also think somebody mentioned that you asked about that or somebody had. and it's been pretty well consolidated, okay. >> let's bring in michael dantonio, biographer and author of the truth about trump. how much of the truth are we hearing about donald trump in that audio? >> you are hearing the absolute truth about his method. this is the most successful con man perhaps in history. he uses superlatives. i'll use them too. it began in the early '70s with him tooling around manhattan in a chauffeured car that his father owned with a person who was armed. he was very much like robert redford. he started building this image that is completely false, and it continued to t

he said trump called him and said he was his own spokesman, john barron. >> i would like to talk to you off the record if i can just to make it easier. >> okay, sure. >> but i think you can really use donald trump now and you can just consolidate it, i think, last year someone showed me the article and he had 200 and 200 and the other's been pretty well consolidated now. >>> john hickenlooper says he won't recriminalize pot right now but he is not ruling it out. crime is up. >>> a somber reminder, the 19th anniversary of the columbine school shooting massacre is today. schools across the country are participating in a walkout, a protest against gun violence. we have jason carroll in new york. what are the students telling you, jason? it's a large crowd. >> huge crowd, and they want to see gun control policy put forth. they said they won't stop until that's done. thousands of students in washington square park, organ. e organizers expected some 5,000 students to show up from many different schools. they said if you go to this protest, you would be marked as absent, you will be penalized

this even goes back to the whole, you know -- when john barron thing -- when he used to play his own spokesperson and have reporters call him back in the day. i guess i wouldn't be surprised. having said that, there have got to be people telling him for all around him that this would be an enormously bad idea to try to run a white house without somebody to run the staff -- >> hope was in the position of communications director because they needed a communications director, but she was the president's confidentant. >> almost like a daughter in some ways. >> if you could make -- i don't really -- she will be not physically located steps away any more i don't expect her to -- i think she will continue talking with the president basically all the time -- no one ever leaves the trump circle. >> it's like been the drummer for spinal tap. they just disappear. it's a weird job because you're supposed to be operating behind the scenes. when something goes right, nobody knows it's you, when something goes wrong everybody blames you. you need someone focused on the long-term strategy even if th

barron. there is a lot to cover this morning, to put it mildly. let's begin with cnn's abby phillip live in west palm beach, florida. abby, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. president trump is claiming he's vindicated by these memos. he tweeted late last night there was no obstruction and no collusion. but the memos do show one thing, which is james comey has been fairly consistent in what he said with his interactions with the president and he painted a picture of a president consumed by this russia probe. personal memos from fired fbi director james comey obtained by cnn detail conversations comey had with president trump. >> i think what folks will see, if they get to see the memos, is i've been consistent since the very beginning right after my encounters with president trump. >> reporter: comey revealing in his memos, the president said he had serious reservations about former national security adviser michael flynn. during the infamous dinner with mr. trump at the white ho

. >> let's hear from a barron. john barron. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i thank my friend for a positive meeting about the need for nhs england to release the 200 million pound funding. however, since then the system has been painfully slow in following through on what was agreed at that meeting. if this continues, will the prime minister meet with me so that we can unblock this log jam on behalf of cancer patients and their families? >> i say to my honorable friend that i'm sorry to hear there has still been some slowness in the system relating to that. i will look into this matter and i'm quite happy if we're not able to unblock it, to meet him again. >> thank you. >> order. >> connect with c-span to personalize the information you get from us. just go to c-span.org/connect and sign up for the e-mail. the program guide is a daily e-mail with the most updated primetime schedule and upcoming live schedule. word for word gives you the most interesting daily video highlight. in their own words, with no commentary. the book tv newsletter sent weekly is an in

he claims that donald trump called him to pretend to be an organization name, john barron. >> when i rediscovered and listened for r the first time of the tapes i made of this and other phone calls, i was amazed that i did not see through the roofs. although trump altered some slightly stronger new york accent, it was clearly him. barron told me that trump taken possession with the business he ran with his father, fred. here now is a portion of that recorded conversation. >> the two are very close or as you heard or don't know. they're active in the business still. are you saying that perhaps for tax purposes, it is been been -- ownership has been transferred to donald trump? >> i would say access of 90% or close to the ultimate. >> greenberg writes that he informed did push back on trump at the time. he learned that trump should not have been on the first three forbes 400 list at all. in our first ever list in 1982, we included him at $100 million but trump was worth $5 million by the standards of his super money peers. greenberg goes on the write, quote, "it would be decades before

. >> phil, i wanted to get your take on the john barron tapes just because. i want to know what you think when you listen back to these tapes of donald trump back in the 1980s reporting to be somebody else talking about his money to this reporter in false ways. >> come on, what's the surprise here? the president during the campaign built an image as he was trying to build an image back then by claiming that barack obama wasn't an american and the president himself was a representation of true americans. he then went on to say i'm one of the best presidents ever in terms of the inauguration. sean spicer told us that was a lie from day one. the president tried to portray himself as a victim of the deep state by saying that his offices, his trump tower was wiretapped by the feds. a complete lie. the only thing that's changed in the last 30 or 40 years is not the dog. the dog doesn't change his spots. it's the fact that now the president has twitter and social media to continue to portray an image every day as a victim of the deep state and as a representation of

it's also a little rich from a guy who used to call up reporters pretend is he was john barron, an invented pr flack, pitch them stories, to say that they're making up sources. >> jane newton small, alex see itswald, let's go back to washington township, michigan, the soccer stadium where president trump is speaking. my colleague blake mccoy is there. are as i mentioned just a moment ago we did hear from the president on the russia investigation. he called it junk. what more did he have to say about that? the investigation that's ongoing into russia's involvement in the 2016 election? >> in his mind, the fact that the house closed their report on friday, in his words, found no collusion, he feels like it's over. this whole thing is overblown and he's ready to move past it. speaking about james comey specifically, he said he's a liar and a leaker. that got the crowd revved up here. >> they love the john lovetts allows from the late '90s. senator john tester, the democrat of montana, early early before this event, the president was in washington, d.c., he played some golf at trump national go