one is that this is the first time that he heard about the karen mcdougal issue. listen to the tape, everyone. this is not a man shocked when mr. cohen said, we have to make payments. >> even though michael is describing to him the formation of the company and why it's being formed and how it will be financed, you believe that's a second reference? >> listen to the tapes. this is not a man shocked about karen mcdougal. he knows what they're talking about. listen to this tape. remember that karen hicks, the campaign spokesman. >> hope hicks. >> hope hicks, excuse me. denied that he knew anything about the mcdougal matter in november before the election. a lie. and here mr. trump is not surprised when mr. cohen mentions there needs to be financing, and he immediately say, "cash." he doesn't say what the transcript that you're telling me says. he says "cash," and my client has been discharged over and over again by mr. giuliani with misinformation and misstatements. for example, what we have heard over and over again is that mr. cohen is living lavishly, and no menti

the new york times reports that on the recording — mr trump and mr cohen discuss paying karen mcdougal. she says she had a 10—month affair with donald trump in 2006. the tape was reportedly made two months before the election. the bbc‘s chris buckler in washington has this report. karen mcdougal was a model of hugh hefner polls playboy magazine and she claimed she had an affair with donald trump that lasted for months. their alleged relationship took place a decade before mr trump ran the president but in the months leading up to that vote, karen mcdougal sold her story to a tabloid newspaper. the national enquirer, owned by one of donald trump make friends, never published it. his campaign team denied knowing anything about the payment that it seems donald trump did talk about it with this man, his former lawyer and so—called fixer michael cohen who is currently under investigation for a series of possible offences. in a raid on mr cohen's officers, fbi agents apparently seized a secret recording in which mr trump discussed with his lawyer the possibility of paying money to keep

the new york times reports that on the recording, mr trump and mr cohen discuss paying karen mcdougal. she says she had a 10—month affair with donald trump in 2006. the tape was reportedly made two months before the election. for more on this, our correspondent chris buckler joins me live from washington. give us more details to clarify what's going on. it's a complicated story but basically it's alleged karen mcdougal had an affair with donald trumpa mcdougal had an affair with donald trump a decade before he stood for the presidential election in the united states. that was into thousand six, but in 2016 she sold her story to the national enquirer. he's always denied he had that affairand he he's always denied he had that affair and he also denied that he knew anything about a payment by the national enquirer. it seems the national enquirer. it seems the national enquirer. it seems the national enquirer didn't even publish the story. it is a tabloid newspaper owned by a friend of donald trump and there were suggestions that what took place was a kind of catch and kill, that's a st

the new york times reports that, on the recording, mr trump and mr cohen discuss paying karen mcdougal. she says she had a ten—month affair with donald trump in 2006. the tape was reportedly made two months before the election. the bbc‘s chris buckler in washington told me more. basically, it is alleged karen mcdougal had an affair with donald trumpa mcdougal had an affair with donald trump a decade before he stood for the presidential candidacy. in 2006 she sold her story to the national enquirer. he has all was denied he has had that effect and also denied he knew anything about a payment by the national enquirer. it seems the national enquirer did not even published a story. it is a tabloid newspaper owned by a friend of bernal trump. it was used as a catch and kill, that is a statement used when a newspaper effectively buries the story. because of an agreement, that person cannot talk to anybody else about the story. michael cohen was donald trump's rawa and seen as mrfix was donald trump's rawa and seen as mr fix it. was donald trump's rawa and seen as mrfix it. —— lawyer.

basically, it is alleged that karen mcdougal had an affair with donald trump a decade right before he stood for the presidential election here in the united states. that was in 2006 but in 2016 she sold her story to the national enquirer. he has always denied, of course, that he had that affair and he also denied that he knew anything about a payment by the national enquirer. and it seems the national enquirer did not even publish the story. it of course is a tabloid newspaper that is owned by a friend of donald trump, and there have suggestions that what took place was a kind of "catch and kill" — that is a statement that is used to talk about whenever a publication buys a story and then doesn't publish it, effectively it buries the story. but a non—disclosure agreement means that that person cannot talk about it to anyone else. michael cohen is donald trump's lawyer, he was his lawyer during that period and also seen as his "mr fix it". essentially he sorted out problems for donald trump. and it seems, on this tape recording, that was seized by fbi officers during a raid on his

men's journal, karen mcdougal, mostly on men's journal, it's ben afleck, but it's going to be karen mcdougal apparently. a couple weeks ago the "wall street journal" checked in on that plan the paper reported back, current and former employees of publisher of american media ink said they believe karen mcdougal's planned appearance on the cover of september's issue is intended to protect the company from a federal investigation in new york. they said they always planned to put her on the cover, strictly a business decision. nos unnamed staffers are not buying it. they said putting her on the cover was meant to bolster the argument they were putting her on the contract for editorial reasons rather than benefit mr. trump's campaign. now, i'm interested. now it raises the question whether or not this was an actual publishing contract rather than political expenditure to help donald trump win an election. after seeing in the "wall street journal" about the timing of the subpoena, we asked american media and they directed us to the original statement from april about the settlement and cover date

i've spoken to you about the karen mcdougal case as well. for the questioning that i want to ask you about, i want to play what i think is the key part of this conversation and then you and i will discuss this, between michael cohen and donald trump. take a listen. >> i spoke to alan weiselberg about how to set the whole thing up with the funding -- yes. and it's all the stuff. because here you never know with that company. correct. so i'm all over that. i spoke to alan about it, when it comes time for the financing. >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay. >> pay cash? >> no, no, no. >> listen, i know you represent stormy daniels. so just as an attorney tell me what you're hearing? >> well, i'm hearing these two coconspirators trying to figure out how they're going to make this payment which appears to not be unusual, frankly, don. you know, i have kind of a different take than some of the people that i've heard comment on this. when michael cohen says financing, i don't think he's referring to financing in the form of they're going to go g

this could show this is what they're doing with that payment of karen mcdougal. there also could be potential fraud charges here. they're talking about setting up a company. i'm guessing they didn't tell the bank the truth when they actually wrote the check, if they wrote a check. >> an llc -- >> exactly. there could be potential fraud on karen mcdougal if she was scammed thinking she was being paid for one thing but really being paid for another thing. i really think there's a whole host of crimes this could be evidence of -- contribute to. >> wow, that's a lot. that's exactly why we wanted you here tonight. jackie, i was just going through my head the last time, and i don't think it's happened before, we have a senior member of an important west coast publication from the safe distance of washington reacting to news that broke in new york. that being our set of rules, what do you make early on now of the potential blow back on the president come morning? >> well, you've just addresses the potential legal aspects of this. i think as a political matter there's no

. >> karen mcdougal, the former playmate, these were allegedly paid to cover up an affair he had with her while married to first lady, melania trump. >> one of the writers who has broken the story from the "new york times" joins us on the phone. >> i'm going to start. what? >> right. right. lordy, there are tapes. so it was important to remember about mcdougal's case is she came forward to the "national inquirer" in the final months of the campaign, and said i had this consensual affair with donald trump, and i want to tell istory. they paid her but then never ran the story. it's what's known in the tabloid world as capture as kill. it effectively kept the story from coming out during the campaign. when "the wall street journal" broke this story days before election day, the existence of the alleged affair, the trump campaign denied everything. we don't know anything about the payment. affair never happened. well it turns out that in a conversation taped during the campaign, michael cohn and donald trump discussed possible payments. >> now, matt, let's back this up. who taped this con

cohen and candidate donald trump were talking of paying off former playboy karen mcdougal. money above and beyond and arrangement with the company ami to buy miss mcdougal's story and kill it. this takes place two months before the election. several weeks later a few days after the election, the campaign denied any knowledge of the affair or the national deal. that's getting ahead of the story. let's start at the beginning told to me by karen mcdougal this year. >> tell me about your first date. >> i was told we are going to beverly hills dinner. he told me keith, the body guard is going to pick me up at a certain time and he did. we drove over to the beverly hills hotel and keith drove around in the back, we have to get out here because we don't want to walkthru t through the . i thought are we going to the room. >> we did have dinner but at his bungalow. we talked for a few hours and had a great time and getting to know each other and talking about his birthday and as the night ended, we were intimate. >> when you got to the beverly hill hotel and keith says we are not go

>> about paying her off for the karen mcdougal story? >> as we know, the trump tweets contain multitudes. he's trying to stoke a little bit of a conspiracy theory by saying, why did the tape cut off so abruptly, as if to say, there's more there and i was saying good things. that's not the point. let's remember here that donald trump's campaign, hope hicks on november 4th said, we know nothing about this and donald trump denies the affair. so why in september, two months before, was he on the phone with michael cohen discussing setting -- >> because he's trying to squash it. we know this. he doesn't want the public to know he was having an affair. that part, i think, makes sense. a lot of presidential candidates don't want you to know about an affair. but it's that the people around him felt they could say something so definitive when most of the american public, this did not come as a surprise to them. >> my guess is they either didn't ask him, or if they did ask him, he didn't tell them the truth. again, i think the big story here is th

i asked karen mcdougal about it during our interview back in march. hope hicks has said catego categorically you did not have a relationship, there's no truth to this. when you heard that denial, what did you think? >> i think somebody's lying and i can tell you it's not me. it's a little hurtful, but at the same is time, i have to understand, like, if he were to tell hope hicks that he didn't do it, i guess i understand because he's trying to protect his family, his image, things like that. but it was definitely a little, like, wow, you're going to lie about that? okay. >> now, of course, it's possible that hope hicks, herself, was being lied to, but barring that, we now know that four days before the election, the campaign's chief spokesperson was lying to voters. the cohen/trump tape shows candidate trump was made aware of the "national enquirer" deal at least that september, two months before hope hicks said they knew nothing about it. keeping them honest, perhaps we should have known given team trump's chronic trouble with telling the truth. back

it's followed right after about this payment to karen mcdougall. that could be a really crucial piece of intent evidence and an campaign finance case showing this is what they're doing with that payment to karen mcdougall. there also can be potential fraud charges here. they're talking about setting up the company. i'm guessing they didn't tell the bank when they wrote the check. >> the purpose of the llc? >> exactly. if karen mcdawgal thought she was paid for one thing rather than the other. i think this all could be evidence, contribute to. >> wow. that's a lot. that's exactly where why we wanted you. jackie i was going through my mind, the lasttime -- i don't think it's happened before. we have a senior official of the mast head of a public publication reacting to news that work to new york. that being our set of rules, what do you make early on now of the potential blow-back on the president coming morning? >> well, you've just addressed the potential legal aspects of this. i think as a political martha, there's not a lot that i see claking, be

>> well, i didn't hear any reference to karen mcdougal much less an affair with karen mcdougal on the tape. so obviously there is a lot more that preceded this and a lot more that followed it. and it's very hard from this somewhat ambiguous tape to draw any conclusions. yes, it appears that donald trump uses the word "cash" and that is suggestive and maybe embarrassing to the president. but all the other things the president has said that have proven to be untrue, i'm not sure how all of this stacks up. legally, the only way this is a legal matter is if this was somehow done in the context of the election. and that payments were made that amounted to an illegal campaign contribution. for one thing, apparently no money was paid, at least not that we know, and i certainly didn't hear any reference to the election on the tape. so as a legal matter, i'm just not quite sure what this adds up to. >> this was shortly before the election. the timing is important as well. >> the timing is important, but to make a criminal case, you've got to prove that was exactly what was on their minds. >> k

discussing payments to former playboy model karen mcdougal just two months before the presidential election. nbc news has confirmed cohen recorded that conversation. now, according to lawyers and others familiar with the recording, the fbi seized the recording this year during a raid on cohen's office. the tape's existence raises a whole lot of questions over the potential legal danger cohen poses for the president, as the justice department investigates whether any federal campaign finance laws were broken. it is only the latest development in what has been a tumultuous week for trump, who's moving forward with plans for a second meeting with russia's president, vladimir putin, despite a huge uproar. that invitation, something his top intelligence chief, clearly didn't know anything about. >> vladimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again? >> all right. we've got a lot to talk about. let's take a look, though, live, south lawn of the white house where in just about half an hour the president is expected -- well, it's the front of the white house, but the preside

mcdougall, clearly, clearly reveals the president knew that karen mcdougall was telling her story or potentially telling her story about an affair she says she had with the president. so nothing else, it proves that trump and his administration have not been honest with the american people. >> that's one factor. the other big question is does the tape reveal in the payments made to miss mcdougall, did the payment violate campaign finance laws? >> that's a big question. of course, rudy guiliani says the tape exonerates the president. because there is no conversation. there is no mention during the 90 seconds or two minutes of this tape, where there is any conversation about the election or suppressing information. it remains to be seen him we don't know what another information may be available. we know there were millions of documents seized from his office and his home. we don't know what they reveal about what trump and michael canen were doing leading up to the election. we do know from the tape, from the deal that ami and karen pittsburgh dougeal and the payment to stormy daniels

he lied about not knowing anything about this deal with karen mcdougal? >> angry at the press in general. i think they're taking out the anger in the way they are. bottom line is we live in increasingly dangerous times. this administration has gone so far beyond what previous administrations have done in all sorts of ways in attacking and undermining the rules of the road that kept the press there. i don't think people fully appreciate, when you describe the press and threaten press reporters, you threaten the first amendment and puts you in never-neverland what's true and not true. one has a sense on how the questions close in on the inner circle ratcheting up the price you pay for a free press. >> you and in talked about this earlier in the week this extraordinary statement the president said about the world wars who died for the first and second amendment in our system, don't believe what you see and what you hear. >> they have a very strong commitment to the second amendment. the commitment to the first amendment is very weak. >> i want to play someth

it also came as a surprise to karen mcdougal herself. her personal lawyer tweeted praise for the mainstream media for, quote, keeping us all informed and this news comes after cohen tweeted last night interestingly about the importance of the free press. it's the tale of the tapes. the stunning revelation that michael cohen, president trump's former personal attorney, secretly recorded conversations between them and not just once. a source familiar telling cnn when informed of one of the tapes, trump said, quote, i can't believe michael would do this to me. trump's current attorney rudy giuliani tells cnn one of the conversations taking place two months before the 2016 presidential election in the then candidate's trump tower office was about payments to former playboy model karen mcdougal saying she had an affair in 2006, an affair trump denies. >> we were together ten months before i chose to end it. >> dozens of times you were together? >> many dozens of times? >> yes. >> and you were intimate? >> yes. >> reporter: he said to pay by c

the new york times reports that on the recording mr trump and mr cohen discuss paying karen mcdougal. she says she had a ten—month affair with donald trump in 2006. the tape was reportedly made two months before the election. 0ur correspondent chris buckler has the details. the allegations of an affair date back a decade before donald trump ran for president here in the united states. however, the question is really about the timing of payments to karen mcdougal, who is a former playboy model, and that apparently took place in 2016, just before the presidential election took place. now, the payments were made by the national enquirer newspaper here in america. they bought her story, effectively, so she told them about the allegations of the affair with donald trump. however, they never published it. and the national enquirer newspaper is owned by a personal friend of donald trump. it's led some here to claim that it was a case of what is known as "catch and kill". effectively what you do is you buy a story and then you choose whether or not to publish it, and if you don't publish it

it appears donald trump knew of this arrangement to try to silence mcdoug karen mcdougal. it appears he wanted to kill that until after the election, with the use of the word "delay." and hope hicks, who was the white house communications director, knowingly or unknowingly lied about the deal in the days before the election. she was either lied to or she actively lied when she came out with that statement. joyce, to you, legally, what kind of exposure does the president have now? >> i'm not sure that this tape changes anything dramatically. it is one piece of evidence. it is a very interesting piece of evidence. it offers a window into what the president knew, when he knew it, and what his state of mind was. before we can conclude that this definitively establishes some sort of liability or doesn't, we need a witness who can explain to us what this conversation means. what's going on? what's the context? what happened after they had this conversation? i think rather than jumping to the conclusion that this tape is the end all and the be all, we should use it as one piece o

raid property.hen's on it trump andcu cohen d paying karen mcdougal who said she had a 10 month affair with trump in 2006. let's speak to our correspondent who joins us live from washington. chris, could you give us more etail to clarify what exact is going on here? >> it is a complicated story.it s alleged that karen mcdougal h an affair with donald trump a decade before he stood for presidential eltion. th was 2006. in 2016 she sold her sry to the nation"national enquirer." he always denied that hehaid the affair and he denied he knew anything about a payment by the "national enquirer." it seems theti "al enquirer" didn't publish the story. it is a tabloid owned by friends of donald trump and there are suggestions it was a caption kill. a lot of statements used when a publication buys sto and doesn't publish it effectivelye buhe story but a known disclosure agreement means the person can't talk about it. michael cohen is donald trump's lawyer. he was his lawyer during that period and seen as h mr. fix-it. he sorted out problems for donald trump. it seems on this tape recording that w

another scandal paying our karen mcdougal. they don't care. having different alliances, that's something they're interested in. i'm telling you the trump voter is not sure that our allies are our allies. trump has convinced them of that. >> i'm almost out of time. why do you think the president wants trump on his home turf. >> i think he wants a doover to have a press conference this fall with putin and sound really tough and that everybody would then forget about helsinki, but that's not counting for is this president is thoroughly incompetent. he will find another way to mess it up. i hope just before the november election. >> all right. guys, that's a wrap. thank you very much for the chat. meantime coming up on a.m. joy, the american claims vladimir putin wants him dead and figured greatly into putin's offer to the president. at noon, speaking with al sharpton about conversation with michael cohen yesterday morning. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything so we know how to cover almost anything. even a "cactus calamity". (man 1) i

in the recording, donald trump and michael cohen discuss hush money payments to karen mcdougal. she's a former playboy model who had an alleged affair with trump. the fbi seized the recording of trump and cohen in a raid on cohen's home and offices earlier this year that donald trump

allegations that michael come heb secretly recorded the conversation about hush money to karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who a little she had an affair with mr. trump some decades ago. in the process the tweet sent out he's confirming the reporting that he was really stunned to learn about the existence of this tape. so here is what he says. the president says this. inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer's office early in the morning. almost unheard of. even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client totally unheard of and perhaps illegal. the good news is your favorite president did nothing wrong. the president appears to have a bit of a sense of humor about all this taking into account the last sentence. the fbi raid on cohen's properties in april, the fbi search warrant was approved by a federal judge. it was not a break-in as the president suggest. new york is a one-party consent state when it comes to recording a conversation. it could be accepted what cohen did was entirely legal. "the washington post" reports that the two men are heard on

on that recording, the two men discuss a payment to a former playboy model, karen mcdougal who allegedly had an affair with mr. trump in 2006. how much trouble could this be for the president? >> well, i think we know for sure that it reflects again on the president's lack of candor and the president said he had no such conversation, didn't know anything about it. i think it is going to raise questions about the president's credibility. there are obviously issues of the payments made. were there other payments made? some reporting of additional tapes so i think this is in many ways the tip of the iceberg. i think it's a signal that michael cohen has useful information and information that is potentially harmful to the president but it's also great distraction for the president. just a few days ago he stood before the american people and the world on foreign soil and as the former cia director under president bush said, you know, the u.s. was attacked and the president sided with the enemy. there was reporting and coverage for a few days and now the story changed to discussion about this

they're talking reportedly about $150,000 payment that was made to a woman named karen mcdougal. karen mcdougal says she didn't have a one off sexual encounter with donald trump nor is this one of his sexual harassment or sexual abuse allegations. ms. mcdougal says she had a long consensual affair with donald trump shortly after he married the woman who is now first lady, melania trump. the president's friend -- and that payment from the "national enquirer" to karen mcdougal in august 2016 appears to have been sort of a hush money variation kind of a riff on the hush money theme it was a payment that quite clearly that publication made to benefit then presidential candidate donald trump, but the question is exactly how? they paid karen mcdougal for exclusive rights to the story of her alleged long affair with candidate trump. they then didn't publish that story. right? so bottom line it's hush money. she gets paid and the story goes away. then a few weeks later trump gets elected president. ta-da. but there's open questions as to the nature of that payment and potential criminal

the deal was to buy the rights of karen mcdougal's story. the rights had just been purchased a month before by david pecker who runs the company the national enquirer. here is michael cohen talking with mr. trump about stetting up a company to make the deal. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david, you so so i'm going to do that right away. >> give it to me -- >> i i've spoken with allen about how to set the whole thing up. >> you heard michael cohen say there that then candidate trump, so much for michael cohen as he did with stormy daniels that this was something he did all on his own, nothing with the trump organization. he talked about how to set the whole thing with the chief financial officer for the trump organization. the man said to me the most powerful member in that company, and the conversation suggests he knows about this pay off. pretty standard chief financial officer stuff, happens in every company, right? judging by the conversation the deal was to ensure plump controlle

in short, karen mcdougal got scammed. she was told she was being paid for one thing and that didn't turn out to be true. so this tape in and of itself probably isn't going to prove all that, but it just sounds like it's one step closer to this theory that a lot of people have been talking about being true, and that cohen possesses information about it. that's the other piece of the iceberg i was talking about. >> one other thing, why would a lawyer record a two-minute conversation? >> as we've said before, a legitimate lawyer, a real lawyer wouldn't. but michael cohen was not acting as donald trump's real lawyer. we've been saying -- he was his fixer, he was really more of a businessman, a helper. and for anyone, why does anyone record people's conversations? well, they do it because they know they're up to no good and they want to make sure that they have something later if they need it. it's kind of like an insurance policy. >> who wants to take it away? >> i think that the point about michael cohen acting as trump's fi

fox news has confirmed president trump and cohen discussed making payments to model karen mcdougal who claims she had an affair with the president in 2006. president trump denies the relationship. the president's attorney, rudy guliani, says the payment never happened. fbi agents seized the recording when they raided cohen's office in new york city. the feds are looking to her involvement in paying women to keep quiet about alleged relationships with mr. trump leading up to the election and whether that violated campaign finance laws. cohen admits paying stormy daniels $130,000 in exchange for her silence. daniels claims she had sex with the president a decade before he took office. president trump denies it. laura ingle is live near bedminster, new jersey where president trump is heading to spend a weekend at his golf club. laura? >> hi, rick. sources tell fox news, a payment was discussed but never made between then candidate trump or michael cohen. this is in 2016. the call about this payment, the back and forth, was recorded by michael cohen. he secretly made a tape without his cli

trump discussing a payment to playboy model karen mcdougal aimed at covering up an alleged affair. >> i'm not a lawyer. i did what i did. >> reporter: for a president who often boasts he likes to make recordings of his adversaries it could be the ultimate irony. >> fortunately we tend to record stories now, so we have it for your enjoyment if you'd like it. >> reporter: michael avenatti believes there are more cohen tapes covering a range of subjects. >> i will tell you for a fact there's more than one. there's multiical recordings and all of them should be released for the benefit of the american public. the problem for the president is he's got multiple problems relating to his relationship with michael cohen, but a very big problem is that michael cohen will go down as one of the world's great evidence hoarders over the years. >> reporter: another surprising development involving cohen, avenatti said he ran into cohen's personal attorney monday night and had a lengthy and product conversation. it's the latest sign cohen may be willing to turn against the president. he once complain

explain why the karen mcdougal case is so important and how it fits into the larger investigation? >> it fits into the larger investigation because remember around the time karen mcdougal said she had an affair with the president, stormy daniels said she had an encounter with the president. it would appear, based on the conversations that were recorded between the president and michael cohen, reportedly they were discussing a plan to buy back karen mcdougal's rights to the story she sold to the "national enquirer." the "national enquirer," remember, paid her $150,000 for the rights to her story, sat on it and didn't publish it. we should add to this really unfolding drama the parent company of the "national enquirer" known by a man named david pecker who happens to be a friend of the president. you can see how how all the ties exist. it can be really complicating for this president should this really happen to come to the fore in this investigation. >> regarding the practice catch and kill. thanks to all of you for the time. >>> was michael cohen's recording legal, does he seem mor

is that different from a direct payment to karen mcdougal? kim: federal campaign laws are interested in whether the campaign receipts something of value. the effect of loanna from "the onal enquirer" is a value to the campaign, damage control controlling potentially negative information related to the caidate. it would fall within election laws. jane: you mentioned there may be more tips. how dangerous could michael cohen, the man who knows all caps secrets -- knows donald trump's secrets be? kim: he holds the keys to the kingdom, not just because of the hush money toomen, negotiating the dealn o trump tower in moscow leadimp up to the cagn, mentioned in the infamous steele dossier on having traveled with alleged medications with the campaig he denies th also a deal with ukraine and russiao resolve their international dispute. he has information that would be problemati if it got into the hands of prosecutors. jane: how usual is it for a lawyer to record a client's kim: that is tremendously unusual. my understanding is that under new york law

this is not a man shocked about karen mcdougal. >> reporter: and investigators are looking into whether any of cohen's payments to women who say they had affairs with donald trump may have violated any campaign finance laws and there's growing speculation cohen may cooperate with investigators and questions about what that could mean for president trump. diane and kendis. >> a little bit of two-minute tapes that people have been listening to a lot since last night, janai. thanks. >>> president trump will talk trade with european officials today. a day after announcing a new emergency aid plan to help american farmers. some congressional republicans, though, are calling the plan a bailout for the president's trade war. it provides $12 billion to farmers hurt by the president's tariff disputes with china, europe and other countries. some farmers are also skeptical. >> this $12 billion, which was announced today by the u.s. department of agriculture, this is only short term. for me this is a great loss. not just because the prices dropped, but our future markets will be taken away from us.

the topic of that recorded call, payments to former play-by-play model karen mcdougal. mcdougal claims she had an affair with donald trump in 2006. the fbi is in possession of that call because they seized it in a raid on cohen's office earlier this year. the news comes a day after the special master in cohen's case rejected over a third of his legal team's requests to keep documents seized in the raid protected under attorney-client privilege. it comes amid a lot of speculation about where cohen's long and well documented loyalty to the president now stands. spoiler alert. what loyalty? according to someone with direct knowledge of him, michael cohen believes donald trump has thrown him under the bus. and now cohen, if needed, is ready to do the same. kristin walker is at the white house. michael schmidt was part of the team at "the new york times" that broke that reporting morning. and reverend al sharpton is the host of "politicsnation" right here on msnbc. he sat down with michael cohen for two hours this morning. first, kristin, let me start with you. ayman jaffer

that sort of negates the thing he was acting like a mobster and wanted to pay karen mcdougal in cash. >> rudy giuliani will say anything to protect the president. dazed and confused rudy, his days are long past. i don't understand. he's a shell of himself. he's a walking disaster for the president. i don't believe anything rudy giuliani says at this point. i completely disagree. this whole thing stinks. it's only going to stink more as each tape comes out. i think all of this information needs to be released by michael cohen and lanny davis. there's nothing stopping them from releasing all of the information right now. i'll tell you, i don't know what bob mueller will do in connection with this, but i'll tell you this. i'm going to work morning, noon and night to bring both of these two individuals to justice and make them face the music. michael cohen and donald trump. the only way that's not going to happen is they're going to have to kill me, period. >> wow. okay. let's hope that doesn't happen, michael. listen, releasing the tape of his secretly recorded conversation it's a clear

he was taped by his own lawyer about a payment to karen mcdougall. the president's strikeout after doing damage control with his helsinki tropical storm humberto. president trump may have made things worse when he devated from the script. overlooked by many, the seven words he refused to say. which i think provide great insight into his view of the russian cyber attack. and after his performance was panned, the president renewed his charge that the media is the real enemy of the people. this week when sarah sanders didn't like a question, a reporter stood up for his colleague. movies adopted by birth, they didn't know ab each other until they met at eej 19, the story took a dark turn. i'll talk about the director of three identity cam strangers. but first a bad week for the president ended even worse, reporting friday by the "new york times" the president's lawyer michael cohen, secretly recorded a conversation with trump two months before the elect in which they discussed payments to a former playboy model karen mcdougall who said she had ap affair

this reporting is about how they would buy the rights to karen mcdougal's story. she's the former playboy model to allege she had the affair

prosecutors in new york are investigating whether that payment to karen mcdougal who claims to have an affair with donald trump violated campaign finance regulations that was paid by american media inc the publisher of the national enquirer with the express purpose of getting the rights of that story to prevent her from telling anyone else about it it was during the presidential campaign if it's found that the publishing company and michael cohen and donald trump were working together in order to help his presidential campaign that could be seen as a campaign contribution and that would be illegal companies are not allowed to collude with political campaigns in an election cycle in any way any individual contribution is capped at around five thousand dollars and i could be very serious for donald trump however the trump lawyers say this is all overblown michael kern was acting in a personal capacity for donald trump that had nothing to do with the presidential campaign. bill schneider is a political analyst and professor of public policy at george mason university he says this latest s

michael cohen, in which they discuss a payment to former playboy model, karen mcdougal. the conversation is believed to have ta ken place just before the 2016 presidential election. 17 people, including nine members of one family, are now known to have died when their tourist boat capsized and sank during a sudden storm on a lake in the us state of missouri. another two members of the family were among the 1a people aboard the vessel who survived. the eu's chief brexit negotiator says the british govenrment‘s proposal have opened the way to a constructive discussion but it must be workable. michel barnier questioned whether the plans for a common rulebook for goods were practical. earlier, theresa may urged the eu to evolve its position on brexit. now on bbc news, the week in parliament. hello and welcome to the week in parliament, where the governmentjust about navigated its way through two key votes on two key brexit bills. but it wasn't plain sailing. they actually whipped my party to defeat the government's policy as set out in the white paper. the mp for uxbridge

the owner of "the national enquirer," and former "playboy" model, karen mcdougal. the fbi seizing the recording during a raid of cohen's office and home, and tonight, the president did not know he was being recorded. >>> the deadly tragedy on the water. tonight, the death toll rising. 17 people killed when a duck boat sinks during a violent storm. and there are reports of nine members of the same family were killed, ages 1 to 70. what we have now learned. >>> as we come on the air this friday night, there are new twisters, and this evening, 40 million americans on alert right now. a tornado watch, severe thunderstorm watches across several states. and it's all moving east just as the weekend begins. rob with the new track. >>> breaking news tonight. a well-known cardiologist, once former president george h.w. bush's doctor, gunned down while riding his bike in houston. we have late reporting. >>> the warning involving mcdonald's tonight. 160 people have already been sickened. >>> and the video tonight being studied around the world. an extremely rare sighting in th

i didn't have a relationship with her. >> ami. >> or anything related to karen mcdougal. you want to say exculpatory, that's what has to be on that tape. it's sort of shock, confusion, sort of saying, why would we be paying this? and that's not the impression i get on that tape. so the question becomes, you know, is this just a potential problem for president trump or is there a potential legal problem? i think those are the two issues. >> correspondents say your case, michael avenatti, as well. taking place a few weeks before the deal was reached with stormy daniels back in 2016. in both cases the trump camp with the karen mcdougal case, they say they didn't know anything about what ami was doing, and it was that michael cohen did it by himself. how does this change your case? >> i think it changes our case in a big way, george, in that first of all, this is not the only tape. i can tell you that for a fact. there are multiple tapes. >> you don't know if there are more tapes of president trump, though. >> i do know there are more tapes of president trump. there are multi