. >> he was a kgb agent. by definition he doesn't have a soul. >> vladimir putin is a thug and a murderer and a killer. >> test richest man in the world. ones of billions of dollars of wealth. >> what does he want from trump? >> putin is going to eat him like a sandwich. >> would rather have a puppet as president. >> you're the puppet. >> just how powerful is he? >> putin has an untrammeled authority. >> i don't see any checks on his power. >> so powerful, he apparently tried to rig the american election. >> of course putin wanted hillary clinton to lose. >> he despised hillary clinton. >> whom would you like better? vladimir putin is not a friend to democracy. he is a crook. >> actual the strange summit between donald trump and vladimir putin in helsinki, americans are asking, what did putin get? and what more does he want? and is he really the most powerful man in the world? december 5th, 1989. it was a cold night in dresden, east germany. and it would change the course of vladimir putin's life. the berlin

that night in dresden they found a target, the local kgb headquarters. the mob was outside and peering through the curtaining was a young kgb lieutenant colonel named vladimir putin. >> he was terrified that they were going to storm the building. >> putin was a junior officer, but the boss was away. he was in charge. >> the berlin wall had come down. police weren't going to help and he called for instructions. >> desperate for help putin dialed kgb headquarters in moscow over and over again. >> finally one official told him simply moscow is silent. >> and i think it felt like a deep betrayal to him. >> vladimir putin was on his own. he went down into the bowels of the building and fired up the furnace. >> he finds himself in the basement at a furnace shoveling documents as he hears demonstrations out on the street. >> they are burning the secret files so fast that the furnace is blowing up. >> putin torched thousands of pages of kgb documents and secrets as the crowd closed in. with the fire still raging, putin went outside and faced the mob by himself.

the local kgb headquarters. a mob surrounded the building as the hour grew later, the crowd grew larger. inside, peering through the curtains, was a young kgb lieutenant colonel named vladimir putin. >> he was terrified that they were going to storm the building. >> putin was a general officer, but the boss was away. he was in charge. >> he called for instruction. >> desperate temporary help, putin dialed kgb headquarters in moscow over and over again. finally, one official told him simply, moscow is silent. >> and i think it felt like a deep beindustrial trayal to him. >> vladimir putin was on his own. he went down into the bowls of the building and fired up the fur necessary. >> he finds himself in a basement at a fur furniture us shoveling documents. >> the f ur nis is blaring. >> putin torched thousands of pages of kgb documents and secrets as the crowd closed in. with the fire still raging, putin went outside and faced the mob, by himself. there are armed guards inside he told them, they will shoot you. >>

i doubt he was receiving kgb money. i doubt a kgb officer showed his credentials, anything like that, too risky, russians are too smart. they got everything from somebody like erickson simply by enlisting him in this prorussian cause. >> obviously, as you were saying, sex was the big lure here. >> that's honey pot operation, the russians are very good at it, been doing it for years. >> thank you very much. >>> next, what is trump derangement syndrome? okay. jeanne moos examines. ♪ it is such a good time to kiss ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to [ laughing ] ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] ♪ [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. ♪ progressive helps keep you out there. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don't think you should be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave.

on one side is a kgb's by -- kgb spy, rudolph abel. on the other side is my father with his kgb entourage. id. are positively they walk home to their respective freedoms. heroph abel returns home a of the soviet union. a parade in his honor. home to aneturns american public that does not know what to make of this event. there have been editorials written in the newspaper that my father had defect it, landed the plane, had spilled his guts and told the soviets everything he knew, or had not followed orders and committed suicide. troops,hich were part mistruths and innuendos of the time. cia.s debriefed by kelly johnson, the designer of the airplane, air force officials and state department officials. three weeks of debriefing at a safe house in maryland followed by a senate select committee hearing downtown washington, d.c. three of the senators that were on the committee that reviewed my father's case where prescott bush, president bush's grandfather, barry goldwater out .f arizona and senator russell the house office building is now n

the infamous kgb prison, part of the kgb headquarters downtown moscow. so this is where my father finds himself his first night of captivity may 1 of 1960. , for the next five days, the soviets say nothing about the shootdown. but at home in washington dc, president eisenhower, allen dulles, state apartment officials and air force officials are meeting to try to find out where is the plane, where is the pilot, why didn't it land in norway, where it should have landed had it been a successful mission? but so far, the american government, the analysts of the cia have not been able to determine the fate and flight of -- and a pilot of the plane. khrushchev comes up center stage in a press conference and he very gleefully announces to the world, comrades, we have shot down an american spy plane. intentionally he makes no , reference to the pilots fate. the cia with the president and think thatistration, if they had had the pilot alive that the soviet leader would have paraded him around as evidence. as a result the administration , under eisenhower authorize

this is the kind of torture i like as a kgb expert. >> he is a kgb colonel. was and always will be that. he saw somebody standing next to him who is clearly doing his bidding by design whether it is a by omission or comission. there is a term the russians use, it is useful idiot. and the president of the united states is a russian useful idiot. doing the bidding of a russian autocrat. weakening nato, assaulting the european union. these are all the primary and fundamental strategic goals of the russian federation to weaken nato, to weaken the european union. and the person more than any other human being on all the planet that is doing the bidding of vladimir putin to achieve those ends is the american president. extraordinarily dangerous moment to ponder. >> are you people going to let this guy, into the house chamber to address the house in a joint meeting. if trump allows you to do that. would you go along with it? >> i don't think we will. but it is up to speaker ryan. my amendment today would have provided additional resources. it failed on a party line

putin's been the leader for 18 years as well as his previous experience with the kgb. he is not someone who should be alone with the american president. >> thank you so much, andrea. former cia director john brennan who's also an msnbc senior national security contributor, showed serious alarm about trump's performance today. brennan tweeted, "donald trump's press conference performance in helsinki rises to and exceeds the threshold of high crimes and misdemeanors. it was nothing short of treasonous. not only were trump's comments imbess isle imbecilic he was also wholly in the pocket of putin. republican patriots, where are you?" republican senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. i don't know what to say except to ask you that question. what do you think of the phrase high crimes and misdemeanors right there by the former cia director? >> unquestionably donald trump failed to fulfill his oath of office, namely to protect our nation against all enemies, foreign and domestic. he was a patsy, a puppet, a pushover, an appeaser. and he blamed everyone except himself and

he spoke as if being a kgb officer, a career officer, their motto was once kgb, always kgb, he runs that country with four top advisers who are ex-kgb and he murders people. he subverts american democracy, and donald trump today normalized him just as he normalized the nazis in charlottesville. this is very dangerous for american democracy. and to have several american senators go through to pave the way in this grand appeasement of moskow only shows the republican party has surrendered to this russia, and this will hurt this american constitutional republic seriously. john brennen was absolutely right. >> let's listen to something else john brennen said a little earlier this evening about both donald trump's approach to north korea and russia. >> mr. trump is dealing away whether it be the north koreans, with the russians, whatever, all the things that are in u.s. national interest and giving them what they want. the russians will feint sincerity better than anyone i've ever dealt with in my life. and i think mr. trump is not sophisticated enough, unfortunately, to deal with these forei

president would become one of the ones getting played by old kgb hands. obviously vladimir putin is a former lieutenant colonel in the kgb. your response? do you think that president trump got played by vladimir putin? >> no. president trump said i'm goc to walk in and play a pair of deuces and then he laid down a pair of deuces. i am a trained cia guy. i spent 25 years there i am reading this as a junior genius saying if the president tells me i have a get out of jail free card i'm going to take it. so putin said all right i didn't do it. and the president could easily have said look we had a conversation we will have continuing conversation i am going to hold him accountable. we have issues in syria, eastern europe. the president saw a pile of dog crap and stepped into it. it is not putin. it was the president's choice. he chose to do it. >> susan glasser you have been talking on the phone and getting e-mails and texts from u.s. officials, european officials. what are you hearing? >> look, i mean there is no secret of the fact even before this meeting t

. >> undercover kgb agent is with us, author of "deep undercover." based on what we saw, how plausible is it what then candidate trump called for could have prompted the russians to act that day? >> i think it would be a stupid joke, that's all. i don't know how else to answer that question. he says a lot of things that you scratch your head and say what did you just say? this is donald trump at his worst and best, however you look at it. >> but nothing he said, we want to -- we're pointing out the coincidence that this specific date that things were found to be -- they were trying to look for something. >> it is not so far after, because of? >> i don't think so. >> talk about speer phishing, lot of people probably haven't heard of before they saw this. how common is it? >> in cyber security world to which i have a lot of connections, i spend my corporate career in information technology, that's a common term. phishing is fundamentally when you get an e-mail that says hey, click on this, we found something, and you pretty much know this is nonsense,

agent, kgb director and the president of the united states. what could happen, in your mine, the most dangerous thing that could happen, in your mind, in that meeting when you have president putin, a skilled interrogator, questioning, talking with the president of the united states who is so limited in his knowledge of the world and his knowledge of what intelligence truly means? >> well, as you point out mr. putin is a skilled and trained kgb officer, a master manipulate orwho has decades of experience. mr. trump is way, way out of his depth when he goes into a one-on-one with mr. putin. as you point out u.s. intelligence capabilities are exceptionally precious but also exceptionally delicate. i don't know what mr. trump might have said in that meeting that could have compromised or impacted those capabilities. i don't know. i still don't understand why he didn't trust john bolton, mike pompeo to be in that meeting and to hear what he said and what mr. putin said. that raises the cockles on my back. then when i saw the p.m. in the press confe

you don't follow just any old businessman, but they do this, the kgb has done it routinely. anybody you can entrap, you wil will. so i don't know, and we really don't know until we know what's happening in intelligence and very often the truth doesn't come out until ten, 20, 30, 40 years later. >> martha: fascinating. great to have both of you with us today. thank you very much, jack and bill. you certainly know of what you speak. we will see you again soon. thank you so much. coming up next, media reaction to the comp-putin summoned tonight. >> today turned what has been an ongoing problem of donald trump and as a president in terms of his attitude towards russia and behavior, has turned a problem into a crisis almost and i really don't know where we go from here. >> martha: >> martha: howard ku, andrew york -- fake and embarrg and it is for a decade but when it came to florida congressman matt gates, things didn't go exactly as planned. he joins me, coming up next. >> you want me to say on television that i support three and 4-year-olds with firearms? with liberty mutual n

that is what vladimir putin used to do when he worked for the kgb in the 1980s. enormous psychological profile of president trump. russians will be overtly taping the meeting and analyze and pore over every word that donald trump says. we, by which i mean the global public, will not have a read from the conversation. we will not know what he may or may not say. there is plenty of expertise here. the white house has a scholar fiona hill, but she will not be in the room. we have to wait and see what donald trump admits to saying afterwards. >> josh, to you, continuing that theme, we know history told us when president kennedy met with russian leader in 1961, he said he savaged me. he was a young new president and unprepared. a couple months later the berlin wall goes up. what do people like fiona hill or others in the administration, do you know what they have been saying to the president about how to be the best prepared and given the different times right now, but still very tense times between the two nations? >> there has been plenty of reporting to show that a

putin of course was trained by the kgb. the kgb for decades during the cold war engaged in active measures for the sole purpose of undermining the credibility of u.s. intelligence agencies and law enforcement. you know, the cia created aids, the cia had secret biological warfare labs that they used around the world. all of that. here we had today the president of the united states doing the successor of the kgb's business by undermining the work of the u.s. intelligence and law enforcement -- >> julia, for a lot of people that changed something today. the idea that the last stand was the president possibly surprising us and saying something in public to vladimir putin that maybe they agreed beforehand in the two hours they were together i'm going to say this, just ignore it. he didn't even do that. what's left? what do most americans who sit here tonight in fear thinking wow, have we really rolled over for the russians, what do they have to think about now? >> well, i don't know that most americans are thinking that. i'm su

he's a professional kgb operative. he's been trains in how to play to people's vanities and weaknesses. and there's a lot of it around. he will want trump to walk into effective if ily recognizing russia's sphere of influence. the biggest change is that trump will say look, ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world. russia is a big nuclear power. you're telling me the cnn fake news, the economist all telling me russian is an adversary. i'm making america safer and we want to jeopardize that safety by sticking for corrupt ukraine. that will then assign ukraine's russia's sphere of sphere of influence. second thing is the lifting or some form of lifting of sanctions. and we've already seen -- this is a very different europe. okay? america might not lift sanctions because of the internal debate and fight between the congress and the president. but the atmosphere is very, very different in europe. we have victor or bahn, the hungarian president saying sanctions are very harmful. we want them lifted. we have italians

this is kgb agent. he was trained by the kgb. he had a good career with the kgb. he is feels bitter that we won the cold war and had the audacity to say he won it. you have to deal with him every guy wakes every morning how to rebuild russia. the efforts to get him to be normal don't get you anywhere. what you have to do is say this is who he is. now can we work things out given that is true? i think there are times we sent all sorts of signals. the obama red line for example, in syria, after which nothing happened. the way in which we tried to deal with russia in the late part of the bush administration we showed them no respect at all in the balkans. promptly they invaded the country of georgia. these things, this is guy who is very determined to recenter russia as a major power and i think trump going meeting with him, we'll see what happens. i think trump has a pretty good measure how to deal with him. abby: one of the biggest challenges we face, daniel, russia trying to undermine our he democracy, meddle in our elections. they have done this before and likely

with former kgb member vladimir putin. dan coates did stand up and say the right thing. i don't know how he does this job. i war there's going to be a long erosion from our intelligence officials and our country. >> frank, i'm going give you the last word because i don't want anyone in the audience to miss the message. you believe what we saw transpire today means a personal threat of some sort that the president is carrying with him and dealing with? >> yeah, he's made the decision to side with the oh team and he's done so only because he believes it's in his personal interest. whether it's financially or personally. whether he has knowledge to the degree to which the russians compromised our election and may have been involved in hit personally, there's something going on that causes this man to conduct himself this way today. >> sad stuff, powerful stuff from two veterans in the business.

80% of americans think it's okay to cower before an ex kgb agent. insult allies. you wonder, this isn't just a donald trump problem now. this is a problem with the party cast wide. and -- really quickly, before we move on to the first script, john heilemann, this is something we really need to talk about. i personally believe it changes not only the face of the republican party but in the long run destroys the republican party. that you have -- treason was used by so many people. criticizing donald trump. even the "wall street journal" said that congress needed to pass a containment plan not only for putin but also for donald trump. you had the president of the united states doing vladimir putin's bidding, exactly what he wanted them to do. attacking nato. attacking theresa may. attacking germany. attacking angela merkel. attacking al of our closest -- our closest allies. as we're hearing just about every night on russian tv, commentators shocked saying we couldn't even succeed this well in the cold war. now donald trump is doing all of our work for us. but what i

it's that he was trained as a kgb oagent, an operative controlling other agents. he does know how to control this kind of conversation. he knows how to play to somebody who's got a big ego, who likes to brag, who likes to show how important he is. i think all those descriptions would fit donald trump. i think when they get one on one in a meeting of 90 minutes, anything could happen. it's perfectly conceivable that trump will be manipulated in that conversation into believing he's achieved some kind of major breakthrough or vik ri on syrcta or ukraine or some other issue and in fact he will have given away the farm. >> sticking with that attitude, let's go to ann drdrea on this . how out of the ordinary is it we have a president walking into a meeting with vladimir putin, a former kgb officer, who doesn't have any deliverables, who hasn't necessarily prepared much for a meeting like this one, who we don't necessarily know if he's going to address crimea or if he's going to address the ukraine or the situation in syria? how unlikely is it to have a leader like that

how well can he do when he sitting down with putin, a former kgb agent? here to discuss two former agents under president obama. steve hall. sam, many top democrats want donald trump to cancel this meeting -- not just republicans but democrats as well. >> i think he should cancel it but not because of these indictments. he was ill prepared before the indictments came out today. that doesn't change the fact that trump has no preparation before he went to europe to get ready to talk about syria or arm's control or any of the other issues on the table. he went to nato, barely talked about russia. went to the u.k., barley talked about russia. now he's walking into a room by himself with a guy who has years of experience at manipulation and he's unprepared. >> why is he doing that? >> he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. what does he not want a translator, note taker or his own national security adviser to hear? he's thinking, okay, i can do this by myself. i know arm's control, i know syria. >> i may have born yesterday but i still went shopping. come

when we asked the guy who runs the kgb. savvy guy conducting everything that the kgb did and still does. and that was a game-changer. i described it as the russians after the fall of the wall. he is out of the cave and his clawing for more territory, more influence and using the same tactics that we saw in the cold war and more results and a lot of that in cyber. >> during the cold war they had the advantage of communist party and networks of supporters around the world. they don't quite have that or you'd be trying to rebuild loyal parties and factions but it looks like on balance they can actually do a better job than the soviet unit could at this disinformationan. >> they are really good at lying and deception and seating and not so subtly seating among average series. the president made some comments about nato and his closing comments were once but i really felt were important because if nato comes include and he's trying to seize that opportunity. i think we need to stand up against it. >> so the pattern is not so muc

why does the president of the united states believe vladimir putin, former kgb officer, over officials in the united states of america? i want to go to cnn's senior white house reporter jeff zeleny. do white house officials realize how horrified americans are today, democrats, republicans, independents, by the president seemingly siding with putin against americans on the question of an attack by russia on the united states? >> reporter: jake, it certainly is settling into them and shortly after the news conference i heard from a senior white house official who was asking me how bad is this? that's gone really to be the theme of the day. senior u.s. official, separate official, i was speaking with earlier said this was not the plan. the president was going to talk about election meddling and then pivot to other matters. that certainly didn't happen as we know. the president is about two and a half hours or so into the flight back to washington. already trying to do some explaining. of course, he sent out a message a few minutes ago. he says this. he said, as i have said and many times

a former kgb spy and author of "deep undercover: my secret life and tangled allegiances as kgb spy in america." welcome back. good to have you back on the program two nights in a row. >> good to be back. >> martha: what you make of this? is she a spy, what we would call a spy? >> i would think so, i'll, albeit most likely an amateur, because i understand she communicated via twitter and emails. a trained operator wouldn't do that. but you ask an interesting question a while ago, how many of them are there? that's an excellent question, because there could be a lot. you've got to understand one thing. if you are in this kind of an oligarchy that russia is. if you are somebody, you are somebody because you are allowed to be somebody and if you are going to the united states, somebody will talk to you and try to help you so that you can help them. any contacts with russian nationals have to be suspect and i am totally flabbergasted by the lack of understanding why some of our politicians that when you touch the russians, you possibly touch russian intelligence. >> martha: it's fascinatin

. >> president the word of the kgb over the men and women of the cia. >> it was of the most cowardly surrender of american interest in modern history. >> president trump will always put the security of america first. >> he did not put america first. he put himself first. >> in the coming days it was time to stand up and say which side are we on. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> we want to welcome our viewers from around the united states and the world. it is tuesday, july 17th. we have a very big day to try to talk about and analyze what happened yesterday. there was a tidal wave of condemnation after president trump in an astonishing display of moral equivalency gave vladimir putin the benefit of the doubt over the u.s. intelligence community. >> all i can do is ask the question, my people came to me, dan coats came to me and others and said i think it's russia. i have president putin. he just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> back at home, the american response was swift and unequivocal. dan coa

the 1987 intermediate nuclear force treaty for some time so obviously vladimir putin is a slippery kgb fish, trump has to know this and be on his guard when it comes to whatever agreement they make coming out of the summit. >> we had democrats saying it should be canceled, shouldn't even be happening and we had a lot of analysts on the year saying whether you agree or disagree with the president's agenda, sitting down with a power like russia at this critical time all around the world is important if nothing else to open this dialogue. >> the stakes are too high to dismiss this completely. we heard all the rhetoric back and forth from this president and senate democrats but the thing this president does seem to understand is deterrence, look at the behavior of the iranians, the moderated behavior of the north koreans and while there has been a lot of saber rattling from this administration and controversial soundbites this is an opportunity for donald trump to look vladimir putin the eye and say if you metal with the us elections in a couple months i've got a big button on my desk and

vladimir putin is a trained kgb agent. he may come in with maps of syria, maps of ukraine and frankly, i think he'll take advantage of this president who we know doesn't do much prep work before these meetings. we need other individuals from his administration in the room so we know that at least someone will press the russians on making sure they don't interfere in future u.s. elections. as a matter of fact, this is not just happening with us. i'm meeting tomorrow with parliamentarians from across nato countries who have also been the victim of russian interest ter ven intervention. i wish we would have that same kind of attention from the president. >> well, with all due respect, you didn't answer my question, which is president obama did not do enough to stop this while it was going on in 2016. i think that seems obvious to anybody reading the indictments or reading the newspaper for the last two years. do you disagree? >> i think the fbi could have done more. as a matter of fact when the october 7th letter came out wit

you're saying he doesn't need the kgb to announce who they were. to your point, it's how well he heard it. it's an important op-ed he wrote today. max, i'm curious, though, just to make sure we're clear here. when you talk about being nice to russia, other presidents have tried. they're all sort of narcissists and have all thought it and tried it. president obama ridiculed him, remember? president obama was the sitting president and he pooped all over it and here's the exchange. >> a few months ago when you asked what's the biggest geopolitical event facing us and you said russia. notal kai da. you said russia. the cold war has been over for 24 years. >> i have clear eyes on this. i'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to trump or putin. >> are we judging him by another standard? >> no. i remember that. that was a killer line. in the past you certainly had disagreements with candidates about u how tough on it. people were naive with putin. for example both bush and obama tried to reset relations with russia when they came into off

i've worked with the kgb. this is how they do it. it's a way to recruit people. >> she was at inaugural events for the president, national prayer breakfast. what do you think she was doing there? >> she was looking for people to recruit. agents of influence. people with access to secrets. there's a picture of her, apparently, with a kgb officer, restaurant in washington. she reports back to him, say look at this guy. he's vulnerable, out of money. or this politician is pro russian. let's bring him to moscow. she was spotting people for recruitment. >> thank you very much, bob baer. >>> next, breaking news, president trump speaking tonight about that interview with bob mueller. plus president trump says he misspoke talking with putin and he's not alone tonight. does it look like i'm done? shouldn't you be at work? [ mockingly ] "shouldn't you be at work?" todd. hold on. [ engine revs ] arcade game: fist pump! your real bike's all fixed. man, you guys are good! well, we are the number-one motorcycle insurer in the country. -wait. you h

as a kgb agent he watched the collapse of the soviet union, considered it a historic wrong and has been waiting for russia to rise again. many in this country tonight believe that moment as come. lester? >> all right. richard engel, thank you. let's bring in our chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell with what's coming out of the summit. >> it's not good, lester. the president came to helsinki with a low bar, a low challenge really. just challenge vladimir putin for the election hacking. instead he showed he was not willing to stand up to the russian leader. 70 years they cannot depend on an american president. that creates a real crisis for american foreign policy. it is profoundly demoralizing to american intelligence professionals and diplomats around the world. one top career diplomat who served presidents of both party said that press conference was the single most embarrassing performance by an american president on the world stage that he had ever seen. >> pretty strong reaction. >> yeah. exactly. >> thank you. >>> president trump again today while standing with puti

once kgb, always kgb. he has lied about so much. i met with russians just last week in a bilateral meeting between american congress people and the douma members. i was frustrated with the douma members lying about the plane being shot down, and saying it was only social media and there were no facts. when they said come out with direct links. they denied the deaths of 207 people. they denied the killings, that there are higher ups. we know it wasn't just chech unanimouses. for the president to meet with a liar he cannot do it in any foundation of accepting what he has said. he happens as untrust worthy as kim jong-un. >> we know the president was briefed on this indictment earlier this week and here's what he's been saying about putin. >> he's a competitor, he's representing russia, i'm representing the united states. in a sense we're competitors. not a question of friend or enemy. he's not my enemy. i know you'll ask will we be talking about meddling? i will absolutely bring that up. i don't think you'll have any, i did it, i did

our president was alone with a trained kgb spy for two hours. we know who the america translator is, a veteran of the craft who works for the state department and since she's the only other american witness to the conversation, some in congress would like very much to have the ability to question her about when she heard. earlier on this network, john brennan who is senior national security and intelligence analyst for this network raised his own concerns about that private two-hour police meeting. >> two hours with donald trump, i have real questions about that. why did he not trust john bolton and mike pompeo? >> there is something very puzzling about this and i'm concerned because how manipulative the russians are. >> the president called bennen a low life. let's bring in our lead off panel for a wednesday night. phillip rucker, prize winner white house burro chief for "the washington post" and client was is back with us, former member of the joint terrorism task force. his latest book, messing with the enemy, surviving in a social media worl

how well can he do when he sitting down with putin, a former kgb agent? here to discuss two former agents under president obama. steve ha steve hall. sam, many top democrats want donald trump to cancel this meeting -- not just republicans but democrats as well. >> i think he should cancel it but not because of these indictments. he was ill prepared before the indictments came out today. that doesn't change the fact that trump has no preparation before he went to europe to get ready to talk about syria or arm's control or any of the other issues on the table. he went to nato, barely talked about russia. went to the u.k., barley talked about russia. now he's walking into a room by himself with a guy who has years of experience at manipulation and he's unprepared. >> why is he doing that? >> he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. what does he not want a translator, note taker or his own national security adviser to hear? he's thinking, okay, i can do this by myself. i know arm's control, i know syria. >> i may have born yesterday but i still went shoppi

>> it doesn't only embody the spirit of the kgb, he is the kgb. he thinks of the world the same way. the tactics might have changed, the strategy is basically the same. >> when you were as we look at this picture of red square point when you reflect on your time and moscow and her time in helsinki, what sort of memories you come back to when you think of the cold war and that period of time where we were in the interests of mutual destruction of one another? >> i think it's poignant to reflect on history. this was a history that fought for their independence during the second world war. viewers may remember since on cross country skis fighting for the army. everything the soviet union would have wanted to deny finland. it's important to remember finland prevented the aggressor, the soviet union from conquering their stay. i think those lessons apply today where nato is providing the deterrence that the baltic states need to deter russian aggression. >> when you were here serving, there must have been russians all over the place. >> there were. it

putin is a trained kgb intelligence veteran that will come to the meeting well prepared. are there expectations that this president has been well prepared for this? >> you know, president trump likes to build drama, do things on the fly. we don't have indication he is deeply prepared for this. he's not stating what the goal is, setting low expectations. >> sean, a read from you? >> when you listen to president trump, he's phrasing it as an informal chat rather than a formal summit. >> we are going to have more from you later on. >>> meanwhile, what the next guest says trump shouldn't be happy talk. ) okay you gotta be kidding me. hold on, don't worry, there's another way. directions to the greek theater. (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪ohhh can i get a connection? ♪trying find the old me with my bladder leakage, the products i've tried just didn't fit right. they were very saggy. it's getting in the way of our camping trips. but with new sizes, depend fit-flex is made for me. introducing more sizes for better comfort. new dep

there's no such thing as a former kgb officer, once kgb always kgb and in mr. putin's case this certainly applies any sign of weakness on the part of the interlock yk yck you -- int you tar is an invitation to grab more. interlock youer the to be more forthright. this is what what happened has done in response to previous attempts by u.s. presidents to seek accommodation with him. they may have had a different style, president obama and president bush for example, there's hard any any areas of continuity between them in domestic u.s. policies but in terms of their initial attitudes toward vladimir putin they were similar so they had their own personal style so with the current u.s. president we just had this clip about his attitude but i think it's a short time before he finds out this assessment is not going to prove to be correct. >> and donald trump indicated he may lift sanctions on russia and may even recognize the annexation of crimea. if that were to happen, would that simply trigger more aggression on the european continent by putin? what would happen i

this man agreed to talk about his experiences with the kgb. he's british and we'll call him jim walker. he's a research scientist in the field of nuclear energy and, some time ago, he was at a conference. there, too, a party of russians. he talked particularly to one russian, a man he came to know as victor, a soviet diplomat. the soviet intelligence agents, with which the embassy and the trade delegation were stuffed at the time, were approaching large numbers of people, really, in order to recruit them as agents. this film, shot as it happened, shows victor — the soviet diplomat — collecting intelligence materialfrom a dead letter box, after an elaborate series of instructions. well, relations between the west and the east were not good at the time. there was still, underneath, quite a lot of mistrust and suspicion as to what the soviets were up to. and, of course, that spilled over in this spy affair. the whole thing was obviously brought forward by the defection at the beginning of august of a senior kgb official, now named as 0leg lya

he isn't a kgb person. he was kgb. he kills journalists. he is engaged in a war with one of our allies in ukraine. he annexed crimea and our president who is not prepared for this has opened up the possibility of recognizing the annexation of crimea and bringing russia back into the -- it would be the g-8. so he's talking about attacking our allies and going along with one of our great adversaries. it's okay to talk with him. it's important to engage. but what he's doing now is turning over the world order. the liberal democratic world order that began right after the second world war. that world order is under attack by its primary architect, the united states of america. and at the same time embracing president putin, refusing to acknowledge what the russians did to the democratic process which the entire intel community agrees to, and a bipartisan senate committee agrees to. so he believes putin more than his own intel community and our allies. >> congressman mike quigley, thanks so much for your time today. really appreciate it. >> than

i was not meeting with the mayor, i knew vladimir putin had been cagey p -- kgb. i was negative about it all. he was equally negative. he did not want to meet with some american woman who was running a business. i think he was very suspicious of women. he had no gallantry. he had the coldest eyes i have ever seen. very big, blue, cold eyes. was, iould think of wonder what would happen if he was interrogating me? because i knew he was kgb. that sticks in my mind. i did not get what i wanted, by the way. brian: this is out of context, but i will show you some video of somebody that you knew years ago. this was an interview done in 1984. see if you remember this fellow. >> i almost used to always felt democrat. -- vote democrat. think either candidate is worthy, i don't see any reason why i should vote for either of them. .rian: joe alsab where did you meet him? ms. kennan warnecke: he was a great friend of my family. he and my mother fought endlessly, but were very good friends. he stayed at our house in princeton. he was my escort when i was invited for the first t

kgb overhe word of the the men and women of the cia. blame onan placing , the president put what is best for him over what is and for the security well-being of the united states. what if now looms, anything will congress do in response to this awful trip? where are our republican colleagues? where are the republicans who roared approval when reagan told gorbachev to do it on the wall? where are the republicans you demanded a strong response when pugin annexed crimea? -- when putin annexed crimea. now is the time for republican colleagues to join us and stand up. if we wait much longer, our global lines is will fracture, ,he institutions will crumble our allies will consider , and pugin's russia will emerge stronger for it and that's what he wants -- putin'ssia -- russia will emerge stronger for it. speaker ryan today said nice things but talk is not enough. we need action. action.an, strong we need a republican colleagues to stand up for the good of this country. i am asking a republican colleagues to do for things. first, they can sta

kgb overhe word of the the men and women of the cia. placing blame for what happened in 2016 on russia where it belonged, the president had the gall to play both countries for a troubled relationship. the president put what is best for him over what is best for the security and well-being of the united states. looms, what, if anything, will congress do in response to this awful trip? our republican colleagues? where are the republicans who roared approval when reagan told gorbachev to tear down the wall? where are the republicans who whended a strong response putin annexed crimea? where are the republicans who know in their heart the president is giving away the store to vladimir putin. for ourhe time republican colleagues to join us stand up.san and if we wait much longer, our global alliances will fracture, the institution that america created in the wake of world war ii will crumble, our allies will consider abandoning us possibly for china and others. putin's russia will emerge stronger for it. that is what he wants in that is what

take kgb no big deal. we're all fine. >> we had that moment. let's play it for people who vice president heard it. >> it's time to retire liberal democrat jon tester. jon tester says one thing when he's in montana. but i will tell you i'm testament to it. he does the exact opposite when he goes to washington. they're going, will president trump be prepared, you know, president putin is kgb and this and that. you know what? putin's fine. he's fine. we're all fine. >> spoken like a true mark. i mean -- i mean, you know -- >> but not surprising. in everything that we have heard, this is really the president in many ways rolling out his greatest hits, going after the same people, now the me too movement in a more open way. right? praising vladimir putin. this is all come to be expected. >> yeah. >> yeah. kind of. it me it's almost like he's wound up. not on the trail for a while and needs to get his own bite of red meat and then come back. almost like he does it more for himself. the crowds clearly love it. a piece of last night that it just -- i c

he was the head of the kgb. brian: here is a picture we have of her sitting in his lap. grace: he went after young girls. he was famous for that. but i do not think he would have dared go after stalin's doctor. daughter. brian: so she stayed at your farm for a while? were you alone with her there from time to time? grace: my sister and her husband took care of her. they went into the peace corps, and then i came. i had three children and they came with me. ages four, six, and eight. the peace corps asked if i would mind taking her children. so i had five children under the age of eight. i was so excited about taking care of svetlana. i think in the back of my mind i was going to write an article. i thought this was a big thing in my life. of course, with five children and svetlana to feed, of course she would not touch the food. hamburgers and hotdogs were not for her. she wanted wrist soto and elaborate things -- she wanted risotto and elaborate things that took a lot of work. she was vegetarian. we did not have the simplest, my parents were not modern. we did not have