in the rain forest in central africa and we're led to believe the closing table google could lead to mcluhan well and the. money lead the so he was sent by their culture but he stayed. only a promise to his son mates are not only the jungle and return to the concrete and glass jungle but. the result reverse culture shock. from the forest starts. w. . grows buddha has one of the most important jobs at the high court in pretoria south africa he's an interpretation speaks sixteen languages and his job he must convey not just words but also cultures and customs. be a perfect system was abolished over twenty years ago bringing in the entity. a case of institutionalized racial segregation and discrimination now all south africans have equal rights. and in course people can choose which language to speak rosebud is task is to mediate between members of the judiciary and plaintiffs or defendants seeking their rights. it's nine am and roy spiritus working day is just beginning. to house work for south africa's justice system for over thirty years. his job is particularly important and temperate is a

he's very much a technological deterministic his mentor was marshall mcluhan. the idea was of course an is if you introduce the technology you change everything. you introduce the lightbulb and human beings are suddenly completely different animals. they think about, actively, they run their digitally. that's a pretty powerful technology. if you're going to make a technological deterministic argument, the lightbulb is a pretty good case study. the problem is technological determinism doesn't actually map to human experience beyond a simple technology that has had profound effect, , like the lightbulb. if you take something less simplistic, much more complicated that is use more creative ways, like the turntable, , you'll see that by introducing a turntable to rent you don't necessarily change it in one particular way and one particular direction. because of course is supposed to rotate this way at 33.5 rotations per minute, but some people decide to move it this way, you know, occasion and create rhythm out of it. the very fact that human beings interact with t

and their then marshall mcluhan was you know nothing about my work. how you got to be a professor of columbia amazes me or something like that. >> anyway, there is a huge difference between michael cohen at this stage and john dean when he became famous. john dean told his story and told how he told the president there was a cancer on the presidency. he admitted that he was part of the watergate cover-up. michael cohen hasn't admitted anything. michael cohen hasn't said what he knows. so we can't really draw a comparison if michael cohen is merely speculating, or his representatives are merely speculating that he may say something damaging until he actually says it. we don't know what michael cohen himself is accused of doing wrong, if anything, and we don't know if he knows anything bad about donald trump. so i think the comparison sort of falls apart right at the very beginning. >> so, john, what is this? is this just some sort of public campaign to either influence the president to a potential pardon? is it a message to prosecutors? how do you see