now, her connection to roger stone is very interesting. roger stone advised her as a candidate. he didn't take money from her, but who very famously tangled with eliot spitzer, seemed to prop up his candidate that caused plenty of headaches and embarrassment for eliot spitzer. she obviously knows roger stone. they go back for a number of years. roger stone has had his own colorful history. what robert mueller will get from an interview or a subpoena from kristen davis is not entirely clear, but there are plenty of stories that she could tell that would be fodder for tabloids. >> let's talk about that. what kind of information might she be able to share with the special counsel's investigators? >> well, she said yesterday that she worked almost kind of like did a lot of web work for roger stone. that she wrote a lot of -- did web design and wrote position papers for him, but she said that she couldn't have been connected with the trump campaign because she was in prison for much of that time period. to danny's point, she could have insight as to the flow of information as to what

roger stone has been with trump for a long time. i remember roger stone talking to me to promote the idea of donald trump running for president in 1999. so to me the distinction between whether he was on the campaign staff or not is a little beside the point. he's been very close to donald trump for a long time. but you've also got michael flynn having been in moscow at that dinner along with jill stein. with the -- with vladimir putin in 2015. you've also got jared kushner, paul manafort, donald trump jr. with that meeting at trump tower. there were many points of contact, but it's possible that the most sensitive potentially risky contacts were conducted by roger stone, because he was able to establish some distance from the campaign by leaving the campaign payroll. >> okay. john harwood, eugene scott, good to hear you both. thank you. >>> so many legal questions remain about the michael cohen tapes. is it really inconceivable that an attorney would record a conversation with a client? some answers, next. alright guys let's go! le

your reaction to roger stone? in another part of the interview calling his twitter exchange with guccifer 2.0 benign and innocuous. >> trying to push it off and some other direction. let's be very, very clear here. we have every one of the american intelligence agencies saying that the russians hacked in to the computers. >> uh-huh. >> that dnc as well as john podesta. >> dcc as well, right? >> exactly. all of that, and now the indictments. mueller doing an investigation for more than a year, and come up with 12 more, we now have 32 russian indictments. >> five guilty pleas. >> five guilty pleas. >> yep. >> and, okay, roger stone. you're trying to protect yourself. we understand that, but that's not where the facts are. the facts are elsewhere. >> does this indictment answer any questions that you had? >> no. it just adds additional weight to the facts that were already known. we've known for more than a year that russia hacked into and then used that information having stolen it. that's where the law was broken.

stone shchl e said christian davis and roger stone are very good friends and she's worked off and on with him for the last ten years. roger is her son's godfather. she works kurnlly in the cosmetology business and knows nothing about the 2016 election. we also have a statement from roger stone's lawyer and here's what he told us. he said if the purpose of the special counsel investigation is russian involvement in the election through collusion, roger is certain miss davis would have no knowledge of russian collusion in the 2016 election. roger conclude this is a continuous harassment about his friends to find something that does not exist. roger stone has not been accused of any wrongdoing, but it's another twist in this tale we did not see coming today, erin. >> no, we didn't. thank you very much. roger stone admits he is likely -- as we said, almost certainly the unnamed american in the most recent mueller indictment of 12 russians. yac "outfront" now, richard blumenthal. they want to talk to kristen davis, the manhattan madam. why do you think he wants to talk to her? >> anything

roger stone and michael cohen are critical. with that said, mueller i think learned a lesson from the manafort indictment in terms he has to get them on collusion. if he does something that has nothing to do with the campaign, people like me and people like his colleagues on the other side of the aisle will say what the hell. >> so you say that mueller is closing in on either people around the president or the president. and you think they're actually closing in on the president, you just indicated that? is that what you want to stick with? >> well, of course, they're trying to close in -- first of all, in general, in general, a special counsel investigating an ultimate target is going for that target. that has nothing to do -- i'm not saying anything badly about these people per se for that. with that said, there is, and this is the president's fault in some ways, there is smoke. as i said, none of us would have been going through this, had the president not hosted the russians less than 24 hours after he fired comey. why woul

davis is a longtime roger stone associate. she believes mueller wants to talk to her about political work she's done for him. here is what stone told cnn last night about her involvement. >> she has no knowledge whatsoever of russian collusion, collaboration with wikileaks or anything else improper having to do with the 2016 election. >> roger stone -- former trump adviser said her work for me is perfectly legal. anything to the contrary is actionable and will be pursued in court. joining me with defense attorney. let me turn to you first for the basics here, what we know about this approach made to kristin davis. >> on thursday the special counsel's office called her attorney and asked do we need to go and serve her or subpoena. they slept on it and they said she would accept. >> roger stone, they know each other well, they are friends. >> roger stone and kristin davis have extremely close personal and professional relationship. so close he's god father to her only son. they worked together on and off since 2010. they know ea

that theory suggests roger stone is stupid or a novice. >> roger does not trust the government. i disagree with him. putin is not my friend. by the way, the president should confront putin about this publicly in his press conference. >> do you think he will? >> i don't know. >> if the president meets with putin which i think it was a horrible idea, i thought it was a horrible idea before this but it's still a horrible idea, even worse now unless he comes back with 26 russians in handcuffs because we need them extradited. we have 26 russians if my math is right. >> as a matter of diplomacy does it look weak and soft to give putin this meeting? >> you are leading the witness. yes. with. >> would -- sam would i lead a witness? right now this kremlin, this russian government only understands firmness. if the president goes and meets with putin unless he takes his shoe off like nikita kruschev, the former head of the soviet government and pounds it on the table he won't appear firm to putin privately nor to the russian people or the russian government and the russians will only stop

all eyes are on roger stone. as far as we know and unless things changed in the last few days, roger stone has not been contacted by the special counsel which, you know, all of the criminal defense attorneys and prosecutors i talked to said it's not a good sign for him this late into the investigation, given how much scrutiny there is of his actions. the other thing about roger stone, stone is a guy who literally has the tattoo of a criminal president on his back -- richard nixon. he has delighted for the duration of his career of working the dark side of politics. he's bragged about lying. bragged about denial. he bragged about dirty tricks and, you know, rat effing, to use a turn. it's not crazy this self-avowed devotee of the last president chased from office for being a criminal and heading up a criminal conspiracy would engage in things that were at the very best the gray area of the law. there's probably more shoes to drop as regards roger stone. >> we should say stone has denied any guilt associated with c

now we have roger stone in contact with this persona. there is nothing particularly incriminating that laid out in this indictment that stone did or said, but certainly refutes his denial that he engaged with the russian. and we know, a couple of months ago, another story broke saying he remembered a contact with a russian down in florida. if there were members of the trump campaign or trump advisors who were participating with the russians or coordinating, roger stone seemed like a likely person. >> the next thing on the world stage, the next issue is that president trump is set to meet with vladimir putin. some calls from democrats, even john mccain calling for president trump not to go forward with this meeting. with this indictment now detailing, this is what russia was doing in the united states in the election in 2016, what message too you want president trump to bring to vladimir putin. what message do you expect to bring. >> president trump should not bow at the foot of vladimir putin and for him to do so is a disgrace to the ame

that could be peripheral characters in roger stone's or bio orbit. are they trying to accomplish a link back to the president. >> i think they're trying to establish if he had contact with the russian operatives that were part of the collusion. those kinds of things appear to be the things that he was investigating. was stone in contact, we know he was in a twitter exchange with a russian operative. he says that was innocent and he didn't accept any e-mails, but robert mueller is pursuing whether or not stone was the point man for collusion. >> okay, it is set to be a conversation between trump and michael cohen about a payment, to the best of our knowledge, who says what on that tape? >> that is the $64,000 question. we don't have those details, but what has been reported is that it is a two minute face to face conversation where michael cohen proposes they make a payment to the woman that had already been paid by the "national inquirer." the question is whether or not the tape shows there was any discussion that this was campaign related. if this w

plus the focus on roger stone intensifying. tonight the trump confidant appears to be the unnamed individual in the vieindictment. >>> plus sorry is the hardest word for the president, so was his apology to theresa may sincere? let's go out front. >>> and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news, it's on. the white house says president trump's one-on-one with the russian president vladimir putin is going ahead despite a lot of calls to cancel it. those calls are coming after the special counsel bob mueller indicted 12 russians from putin's own government including russian military officers. think about that, russian military officers who according to a 29-page indictment we got today conducted large scale operations to interfere with the 2016 election and hacking e-mails of computer innetworks and stealing information of about 500,000 american voters and methodically releasing the e-mails of presidential candidate hillary clinton. we now have the total charges in mueller's investigation at 191 against

stone, and roger stone himself said he thinks he's that person. so it seems that robert mueller wants to talk to the manhattan madam, the so-called manhattan madam, karen davis i think is her name -- kristin davis, because of her role as the web designer. she is involved in understanding what is involved with roger stone's internet persona and his work in the web domain. and i think that it's not likely to be a fishing expedition. you're not likely to say who are all the people roger stone nose? it seems likely that they would be following up on some other factual nugget. her name has come in some document or mentioned in some meeting, through other testimony of other witnesses. it seems likely that that's why they're pursuing her knowledge. >> eli stokols, people have been referring to this week as perhaps the most momentous of this still early administration. where do you rank it? >> i think it's certainly up there, brian. i was there monday for the press conference in helsinki and have been trying to catch up with the president's repeated walkb

>> well, i learned that roger stone is defiant. he's playing for time. he's issuing through me a couple of statements that go to denying the particulars that people may assume from the indictment today. and also raising questions about how the federal prosecutors might actually prove this case against the russians, since it's unlikely that the russians will ever show up. i asked him, a text, that is, i said, roger when did you learn that it was the russians? he said, today, that is still an al game and unproven at a trial. do you expect the russians to show up for trial? will there be an inspection of the dnc servers to prove the government's allegations? in other words, what he's saying is, if you come after me, i'm going to counter with demanding to see all of the dnc servers, which is, of course, republicans have wanted to do for a long time. and i will say this also. he knows, as does paul manafort, and the two of them have known each other and worked on and off together for about 35 years. >> sure. >> they know that their chief protectors here, iron

you mentioned roger stone. i want to listen to what he had to say about all this in an interview last night. here is part of that everyone. >> the reason i'm not charged in this indictment is because i received nothing from the defendants. i passed nothing on from the defendants. and my exchange with them, which is -- which is included, which any reasonably objective person can read, is benign. it's innocent. there is no evidence of collusion or conspiracy or coordination. >> he says he didn't receive anything liam didn't pass anything on, liam. is he right or do you think stone might still be charged down the road? >> i think that's still a very open question, alex. what is clear from the allegations in the indictment is that there are additional communications out there that are not listed in the indictment between stone and gucifer. and what those entail. and then what stone's other communications are with individuals at the trump campaign will be indicative or would be indicative to his state of mind. and t

that theory of the case to defend roger suggests that roger stone is stupid or a novice. you and i have both dealt with him. he strikes me as neither of those things. >> roger is someone who does not trust in the government sometimes. and it has seen information put out. i disagree. it was clear that putin did this. i think putin is not an ally, he's an adversary. by the way, the president should confront putin about this publicly in his press conference with him. >> you think that donald trump should do that, do you think he will do that? >> i hope so. >> evelyn? >> you know where i stand. if the president meets with putin which i thought was a horrible idea before this, but it's still a horrible idea. even worse now unless he comes back with 26 russians in handcuffs because we need them extradited now. >> as a matter of diplomacy, does it look weak and soft to go give putin this meeting after this has been exposed? >> you are leading the witness, yes. i mean, you don't -- >> sam, would i need a witness? >> you're leading the witness. right now the russians, this kremlin

stone just said is one of the associates and roger stone is close to the president, whether there was a relationship there in which money was changing. >> roger stone, we are so far off the rails, the allegation is some sort of collusion, democrats put up no evidence of that and one of the reasons mueller dished this to the southern district of new york is it had nothing to do, they didn't see after months of investigation, didn't see anything. if there was something that was collusion, the original impetus -- this is all well before he is even a candidate to become president of the united states and i think democrats will rule the day they say this is fair game to look for somebody's life like that. >> alan dershowitz is supportive of the president, not defending his agenda or anything, saying earlier today he thinks this could be problematic. it doesn't look good. where is the crime? >> it is a matter of political defection further damaging to the president's credibility and for people -- >> donald trump never tried to pretend he was holier than everybody else. everybody understood

roger stone is in deep trouble and he's been -- >> why? >> because of the fact -- >> he was the colluder? >> we don't know. >> really? >> he's been in touch -- there is question about what he knew about gucifer 2.0. that questions is still unresolved. we know on the basis of the indictment a week-and-a-half -- only been a week, mueller indictment of the russian grus, he was in touch with gucifer among others. we don't know what roger stone knew about gucifer. that's still to be shown. the pattern over time, timing of communications, the papt earn so many people around stone have been subpoenaed, have been brought into the mueller probe and that he has not been interviewed yet is such a sign that he is a target. and to have this woman who is a relatively obscure figure in roger stone's political world, madam of manhattan, now being dragged in, they haven't spoken to him one more sign mueller has his sights trained on roger stone and he has an indictment or more than one indictment coming his weighed fairly soon. >> joyce, let me ask you to

she may have information about how roger stone moved money around or where roger stone got funding to do certain things. roger stone, of course, a campaign aide in all of this goes back to the trump campaign. roger stone may have confided in her or just over dinner or over a business meeting may have said something to her. they apparently are trying to talk to other stone associates so they are trying to figure out and it seems like how the money moved around between accounts and organizations. elizabeth: class much. is this what the in ministration want us talking about? today want to talk about taxes and immigration or roger stone and kristin davis and all of that sort of -- rec. >> right. after a week of russian talk and republican lawmakers, including some of the president's longtime allies thing he looks week on the stage alongside vladimir putin, the senate with a unanimous resolution against russia, talk of a sanctions bill in the senate, i really think the white house was somewhat relieved yesterday. this did change the subject. on the face of this payment that he and michael

an organization that sounds a lot like wikileakss is roger stone. and so it it seems robert mueller wants to talk to the manhattan madam, so-called manhattan davis, kristen davis i think is her name, because of her role as the web designer. she is involved in understanding what is involved with rogerer stone's internet persewn aa and his work in the web domain. and i think that it's not likely oo be a fishing expedition. you're not likely to say who are all the people rogerer stone knows? it seems they would follow up on some other packtual nugget. her name was mentioned at meeting, few other testimony of other witnesses seems likely that's why they're pursuing her knowledge. >> people have been referring to this week as perhaps the most momentous of had it still early administration. where do you rank it? >> i think it's certainly up there. i was there for the press conference in helsinki and have been trying to catch up with the president's repeated walk backs of his positions on are russia. and the week his book ended here is a reminder of all ha

she has ties to roger stone and lots of questions surrounding roger stone? >> right, and kristin davis and roger stone have a relationship that goes back a decade or so, perhaps the special counsel robert mueller thinks that she knows something or can tell him something or the investigators something about roger stone that would be pertinent to the investigation that he's doing into russian collusion, possible russian collusion with the trump campaign ahead of 2016 election, that's -- that's what i take away from it. blake: so kristin davis now in headlines and so once again is michael cohen, the president's former i think it's safe to say attorney, long-time fixer as well. news story coming out today in "the new york times" involving michael cohen, you're big take away with that? first off, michael cohen, at one point he said of the president, quote, my wife -- he said basically he would take a bullet for the president. he has changed tone, recently my wife, daughter, and son have my first loyalty and always will, i put family and country first. we have see

trump ally roger stone. is he likely to be charged in the russia investigation? >>> and the final nail. cnn has learned that the president's supreme court nominee has said he wants to overturn a ruling of independent counsel. would brett kavanagh try to put the final nail in robert mueller's investigation. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room". >>> we're following breaking news, president trump now declaring that he holds vladimir putin responsible for interfering in the u.s. election and that he told putin in person, quote, we can't have any of that anymore. his tough words in a new interview in stark contrast from what we heard from the president as he stood shoulder to shoulder with the russian leader in helsinki. an awkward new effort to clean up the president's remarks earlier today. i'll get reaction from house intelligence community member mike turner, he's a republican, and our experts and analysts are all standing b

the speculation now is centering around roger stone. take us through what is in here about roger stone and do we have any sense what the next steps are there if there are any? >> right. we've known for some time the special counsel is calling roger stone's friends to the grand jury and asking questions about his knowledge. and the text -- the messages that were enumerated in the indictment today, the indictment does not mention roger stone, but he had previously published this exchange that he had with guccifer 2. at the time he published it he said he's never had contact with a russian official. at the time he was contending that was not a russian operative. this indictment makes it clear that is a fake per sew that created by russian intelligence to leak the stolen e-mails. now we have roger stone in contact with this persona. there's nothing particularly incriminating that stone did or said laid out in the indictment, but it refutes his denial that he engaged in the russians. we know a couple of months ago another story broke and he

but that said, there's been a lot of talk about roger stone. and i want to play for you what he said during an interview last night. he has said he's probably one of the unnamed americans mentioned in the dielindictment. take a listen to this. >> i think it's still unproven. there's an enormous amount of forensic evidence based on the conclusion based on the download times, that there was no hack. the alleged hack material was downloaded to some kind of a portable drive. i don't know. >> what are you getting at? >> i don't know, that's woo i'd like to see at trial. >> questioning that, that there was no hack? i mean, what's your reaction to that? >> that's the same thing as saying it was a 400 pound man on a bed. this distraction, all which comes from what trump learned, you know, years ago, from roy kohn, who was a lawyer in new york, a despicable, despised man who was trump's alter ego and taught him a lot about lie, lie. and he's done it well. so has stone. the indictments on the americans who knew and are involved are going to come soon eno

roger stone is actually the godfather to her child. davis actually did some work were roger stone including, i'm told, doing some clerical work including some work related to his websites. now, mueller, of course, as we all know, has been very interested in roger stone, and has also taken an interest in some of the aides that have worked for roger stone in the past. so, again, this might be the connection and the reason for his interest. now, i do want to read a statement that we got earlier today from kristin davis' lawyer. it said, "kristin davis and roger stone are very good friends and she has worked on and off for him for the last ten years. roger is the godfather to her son. she is currently in the cosmetology business and she knows nothing whatsoever about russian collusion with the 2016 election." now, obviously, you can see there that she's trying to sort of get ahead of the story and make it very, very clear from the get-go that she knows nothing that robert mueller might be interested in. >> m.j. lee, thanks very much. joini

could you see roger stone or wikileaks named in a future indictment? >> i could see other prominent folks that have been discussed in the past named in the future, sure. >> what do you think? >> i think there's a lot more to say. in terms of where this goes, we know roger stone is one of the people mueller has been asking questions about. h he's not named in the indictment, lucifer 2.0 lines up. the intelligence the u.s. has been able to gather, so much that we have been able to gather reporting that they captured some of the people, the russians named in this indictment celebrating this and trump's victory and celebrating the success of the hacking operation. that is how good the u.s. intelligence got in this case, in this investigation. that's remarkable. when you read this, you can see they are all over some of their, perhaps their e-mail, phones, other information. this also, wolf we shouldn't forget this, approaching the election, this could be a way for our government, the fbi, the department of justice to say, russia, if you are planning anythin

roger stone has told us that. is it possible that the special counsel is waiting until he interviews him? >> that would be an indication that they're looking at criminal conduct because they generally don't interview people who are going to be indicted. but we're reading tea leaves here, and it is hard to say. >> thanks very much. >> thank you, jim. >>> coming up, the troubled founder of papa john's pizza speaking out after he resigned for using a racial slur on a phone call. he is trying to clarify why he used that horrible word, making claims he was extorted after using it. we're going to hear from him when we come back. parodontax, the toothpaste that helps prevent bleeding gums. if you spit blood when you brush or floss you may have gum problems and could be on the journey to much worse. help stop the journey of gum disease. try parodontax toothpaste. ♪ but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost from neutrogena®. with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. neutrogena® >>> welcome

that's roger stone, right. >> yeah, and we know that because roger stone this has been reported ob previously and roger stone took it upon himself to release screen shots of these messages still on the web. you can find them. they read verbatim like this exchange. roger stone said he never communicated with any russian intelligence official. this indictment suggests that that is not the case. he may not have known it. clearly he was communicating with russian intelligence. >> joyce, the white house has released a statement on therein today. and they say that the charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone in the campaign. and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election results. that's what we've been saying all along. let's be clear. this indictment doesn't say that's not what they're going to find. the investigation is still ongoing and if you ask pete williams, our justice reporter, he makes it clear that there is more coming. >> i think that that's absolutely right. rod rosenstein when he announced this indictment today, did not look like a man who was

>> i suggest roger stone should be quite nervous. and, you know, when he ends up in a court of law roger stone will certainly have a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. but, boy, when we read this document that was handed down today in the court of public opinion, roger stone sure looks like he has some explaining to do. and i do think that he is very likely going to be rolled into the next indictment mueller hands down. with respect to the timing the one thing i will say confidently without claiming to look into the mind of mueller and his team is that mueller will be keenly interested in not impacting the mid-term elections by timing the release of either a report to congress or an additional indictment too close to the mid-term elections. we've seen the kind of problems that were created when former director comey made that ill advised announcement so close in time to the presidential elections. so the only thing i think we can be confident of is that bob mueller will avoid that same mistake. >> our thanks to our two

and roger stone was a stooge for that. and whether or not he has been named, the fact that he hasn't been named right now, does not mean he won't be named at all. >> the stone aspect of it, not named and here is what strikes me, david, the hack of john podesta which is the far more consequential of the two. dnc, dnc servers, a bunch of information we are going to go through. the john podesta is the most consequential. released before hollywood access day. its distribution, how it was distributed is not mentioned. an organization which is clearly wikileak appears but not a lot of detail. makes you wonder if something is coming on that end. >> mueller and other special counsels released, they find out more and expand the story. this puts wikileaks in the middle of it. messages of wikileaks reaching out to gus fer two point zo. saying we want these documents. maximum harm to hillary clinton and help donald trump. presuming these messages are accurate, direct evidence that wikileaks was doing this in league with the russian in

could those be a big problem for roger stone? >> a huge problem. look, this indictment specifically was on the russia side. but we've now built a bridge that is within inches of the u.s. campaign. and by the way, stone himself said oh, i was in fact in regular contact -- not with officials, but with trump himself. and of course these -- his knowing in advance, his continually predicting certainly suggests knowledge and not that far from intent. this indictment specifically does not go to those charges. but i think mueller is loaded for bear and as i said, i think stone has to get his affairs in order. i think he'll be indicted shortly. >> laura, the indictment identifies a candidate for congress who sought and received information from guccifer 2.0. is that illegal? what kind of trouble is that person in. >> if they are trying to collude and use a foreign agency to interfere with the elections and they are aware that is an illegal act and vying for incumbent for congress they are away of that particular law, trying to be a part of a legislative bra

that person is not named but widely believed to be roger stone. he was asked this -- about this indictment earlier tonight. >> i certainly knowledge that i was in touch with trump campaign officials and i have testified under oath to the house intelligence committee that i certainly had a 24 word exchange with the persona 2.0 over twitter. >> it is also you. >> i think i am probably the person referred to. the reason i'm not charged in this indictment is because i received nothing from the defendants. i passed nothing on from the defendants. no evidence of collusion or conspiracy or coordination. >> and the following is interesting for what it doesn't say. the white house responded with a statement that reads in part today's charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the campaign and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result. notably here, no criticism or condemnation of russia. with that let's bring in our lead off panel and the pentagon to house intelligence committee. an attorney and former sta

could those be a big problem for roger stone? >> a huge problem. look, this indictment specifically was on the russia side. but we've now built a bridge that is within inches of the u.s. campaign. and by the way, stone himself said oh, i was in fact in regular contact -- not with officials, but with trump himself. and of course these -- his knowing in advance, his continually predicting certainly suggests knowledge and not that far from intent. this indictment specifically does not go to those charges. but i think mueller is loaded for bear and as i said, i think stone has to get his affairs in order. i think he'll be indicted shortly. >> laura, the indictment identifies a candidate for congress who sought and received information from guccifer 2.0. is that illegal? what kind of trouble is that person in. >> if they are trying to collude and use a foreign agency to interfere with the elections and they are aware that is an illegal act and vying for incumbent for congress they are away of that particular law, trying to be a part of a legislative bra

there's no doubt that the guy in paragraph 44 is roger stone. no doubt. it's a quote of the previous tweets that he released. and remember, stone all during the fall, he's the guy who says it's soon going to be podesta's time in the barrel. wednesday hillary clinton is done, lock her up. i mean he thereafter is in complete knowledge, if not coordination, with the discharge of these damaging e-mails. i think it is next. it was telling, boy ty the way,t this case was by rosenstein sent over to the national security division. they're going to deal with the russian side of it. but mueller now is all over the american side of it. of course the attempts by giuliani and others to say, oh, no american involvement are 100% wrong. we both have it documented in the indictment and more importantly the allegations go to the russian side now, but we are within kissing distance. >> yes. >> of the final hook between russian government and trump campaign. and remember, stone, by his own admission, he says, oh, i'm not the guy who was in touch with campaign officials. i'm

worked for roger stone in the past. this may be the connection and the reason for his interest. i want to read a statement that we got from kristen davis' lawyer. it says davis and roger stone have really good friends and she has worked for her on and off. she's currently in the cosmology business and she knows nothing what so ever of the 2016 collusion of election. she's trying to get ahead of the story and make it clear from the get-go that she knows nothing about robert mueller may be interested in. >> m.j. lee. thank you. >> roger thank you very much for being back on the program, we appreciate it. >> with mueller want to talk to kristen davis, tast third associate of yours, do you believe you are a target of this investigation and that's why they want to talk to miss davis? >> well, i have no idea. thank you for having me back anderson. >> i had no advance notice of the alleged hacking of tlhe dnc and received no materials. now, kristen davis is a good friend of mine, she's a brilliant woman who has paid her debt t

. >> because they're trying to set up a perjury case against roger stone and i'm not going to have it. roger is my mentor. roger is like family to me. i'm not going to do it. i'm not going to do it. roger did not talk -- roger may have lied about it. >> are you basing that view -- >> yes. >> that they're trying to use you to get to roger based on a theory or based on the questions they asked you? >> based on the questions they asked me. i have no idea in advance what they wanted for the grand jury. but what they did tell me was i wasn't going to be a subject or target and i was going to get the same kind of immunity. but they wanted something. now, ari, let me just say something. >> did they offer you immunity? >> yes. ari, let me say something. >> sure. >> the idea that we had some major plot with donald trump after he -- corey lewandowski, the minute he got hired, he was -- he was -- i don't want to be -- he -- let me put it this way. he ran a scam to get hired, okay? that's my opinion. corey lewandowski, the minute he got hired, wanted roger and me out. >> but you think mueller's i

as roger stone was just saying, there are no americans named this round, okay? but we don't know what will come next. does it prove there never will be? no. and did the russians really do what president trump asked them to at a rally right after he asked? the makings of a great debate, next. ♪ it is such a good time to kiss ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to [ laughing ] ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] ♪ [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. ♪ progressive helps keep you out there. ♪ does your business internet provider promise a lot? let's see who delivers more. comcast business gives you gig-speed in more places. the others don't. we offer up to 6 hours of 4g wireless network backup. everyone else, no way. we let calls from any of your devices come from your business number. them, not so much. we let you keep an eye on your business from anywhere. the others? nope! get internet on our gig-speed network and add voice and tv for $34.90 more per month. call o

>> they're trying to set up a perjury case against roger stone. i'm not going to have it. roger is my mentor. roger is like family to me. i'm not going to do it. and roger did not talk -- he may have lied about it, but roger did not talk -- >> are you basing that view that they're using you to get to roger based on a theory or based on the questions they asked you? ? >> based on the questions they asked me. i have no idea in advance what they wanted for the grand jury. they told me i wouldn't be the subject of a target. and i was going to get the same kind of immunity. they wanted something. >> they offered you immunity? >> yes. ari, the idea that we had some major plot with donald trump after he -- corey lewandowski, the minute he got hired, he was -- i don't want to be -- let me put it this way, he ran a scam to get hired. okay, that's my opinion. corey lewandowski, the minute he got hired, wanted roger and me out. . i think corey was in there and told them a lot of stuff about us. >> did they say that to you or your lawyer? >> to my lawyer. i haven't communicated direct

mueller wants to talk to her because of her links to roger stone. she told nbc today she doesn't have anything on russian collusion. says this is all out of the blue and also, quote, very upsetting. i'm joined by analyst howard fryman and kim waley. what would mueller be looking for with ms. davis. >> mr. cohen had -- the romanian hacker that formed the basis of the most recent indictments against russian operatives that were attacking our democracy and our electoral system. if she had a close relationship to mr. stone it would make sense he would want to talk to her, to find out what she knows, to confirm or deny the other pieces of information they have, which i'm sure is mountain of. i was also in the white water investigation, a much smaller thing than now, but what happens behind the scenes is very different than what's public. >> howard, you have reported on roger stone for some time, including on this show. what are you learning tonight? >> well, i texted with roger stone a little while ago, and he sent me a reply in which he described this a

stone just said has -- is one of his associates, whether -- and roger stone has been close to the president for many years. whether or not there was some relationship there in which money was changing hands. >> we're so far off the rails. the allegation was there was some sort of conclusion. democrats have put up no evidence of that. and i think one of the reasons that mueller dished this off is because it had nothing to do -- they didn't see after all those months of investigations, they didn't see anything. if there was something that was collusion, that was the original impetus -- i mean, this is all well before he's even a candidate to become the president of the united states. and i think the democrats will rue the day when they go and say this is fair game to go look through somebody's life like that. >> he's taking grief for it, saying earlier today this he thinks this could be problematic for the president. but where's the crime? >> well, at the moment it's a matter of political deception. and i think it's further damaging to the president's credibility. and for people who are true

roger stone is one of the targets. he wrote the book, "stones rules." he joins uss tonight. thanks for coming on. so what was the point of this lawsuit? >> well, tucker, before we get there, i want to thank you for writing a warm introduction for "stone's rules," my art of war, rules of the road. it was useful in this fight. this is a tactic known as law-fair. where ivy league snots in a nonprofit blessed by barack obama file frivolous but expensive lawsuits against you in which they weave together crazy left wing conspiracy theories but present noe evidence. stop me if you have heard this one. roger stone worked with russians to hack the dnc and gave the material to julian, wikileakss, donald trump, take your choice. it's a fairy tale. they presented no evidence at court. it is true, the lawsuit was dismissed on jurisdictional grounds. but it proved, if you read the judge's questioning, she laughed at them in terms of a conspiracy. recognize, i was not being sued for defamatory speech or false speech or hate speech, but for constitutionally protected speech when i comed on

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>> so roger stone is definitely a central figure in this. he's admitted he had communications with this individual who was indicted as part of the russian intelligence indictment, the folks who were meddling and hacking the dnc e-mails. which of his associates are going to have information? i think not being in the investigation, we can't tell, but they are certainly starting to focus on roger stone to the extent that gets closer to trump, i would be worried if i were him. eboni: based on your experience as both a federal prosecutor and also on the other side a defense attorney, i want to ask you, looking back and trying to see where mueller is going with all of this, again, lots of pieces, lots of high-profile people involved here, what is the overall kind of connection of the dots that you think the chief prosecutor in this is trying to make? >> i think that we're going to get at the end of this investigation a very thorough look into what the trump campaign was doing in those weeks and months leading up to the election and immediately aft

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mueller wants to talk to her because of her links to a former trump advisor, roger stone. she said she doesn't have anything on russian collusion, and quote, very upsetting. thanks to both of you. what would mueller be looking for from miss davis? >> well, the romanian haaker, formed the basis of the most recent indictments against russian operatives that were attacking our democracy, and our electoral system. if she had a close relationship to stone, it would make sense to talk to her. to confirm or deny the other pieces of information that they have. which i sure is a mountain. i was in the white water investigation, it was a smaller thing than what we are seeing now. what happens behind the scenes is very different than what is public. >> you reported on roger stone, what are you learning tonight? >> i texted with roger stone a while ago. he sent me a rely ply, described it as harassment. i can read it. >> i think we have a version of it. >> he said, have you lost your sense of humor? his opening to me. christian davis has been a friend of mine and worked on and off for

the second piece that sticks out is roger stone. in our story in february, we talked about two witnesses who said that they were being asked a lot of questions about roger stone, not just roger stone in terms of his contacts with wikileaks, whether he met with julian assange and questions like that but about his -- the nature of his relationship with then-candidate trump, how close were they, under what circumstances did he leave the trump campaign, how often did they still talk? there was this what looked to be some sort of effort to either try to connect, make some kind of connection or probe, whether there was some kind of connection these two things. i think that now, looking at there indictment, the question that hangs over this is whether there was, "a," something to the july 27th comments that candidate trump made and "b" if there's something more to roger stone's role because we now know in the indictment that he is believed to be the unnamed person with contacts with senior members of the trump campaign also in contact with

the second piece that sticks out is roger stone. in our story in february, we talked about two witnesses who said that they were being asked a lot of questions about roger stone, not just roger stone in terms of his contacts with wikileaks, whether he met with julian assange and questions like that but about his -- the nature of his relationship with then-candidate trump, how close were they, under what circumstances did he leave the trump campaign, how often did they still talk? there was this what looked to be some sort of effort to either kind of connect, make some kind of connection or probe, whether there was some kind of connection these two things. now looking at this indictment, the question that hangs over this is whether there was, "a," something to the july 27th comments that candidate trump made and "b" if there's something more to roger stone's role because we now know in the indictment that he is believed to be the unnamed person to contacts with senior members of the trump campaign also in contact with russian hackers