guest: i don't think bernie sanders is involved at all. but your points about ted devine and tax returns are fine. i have no idea what ted devine did or did not do. i understand paul manafort was not convicted for lobbying for the ukraine, he was convicted for hiding the money that he got from you rain and is convicted for fraud that he did afterwards to try and get more loans. so ted devine did not do those lee -- illegal activities, he just lobby. if you don't like that he did the lobbying, i hear you. senator vitter should release those tax returns. host: he was one of the witnesses that the mueller team brought in to the case against paul manafort. guest: that is right. his testimony was mixed. he said we did legitimate obviously would manafort did afterwards with the money was the real crime. host: tom in dayton, ohio, republican. caller: good morning. i've been a republican since donald trump ran for president. this is so one-sided. himavid g trump telling gave a letter to trump telling him comey knew to be fired. your hillary clinto

weaver on bernie -- you mentioned bernie sanders did a lot for the veteran. he was the worst committee chairman they ever had. in, until johnny isaac got there. i want to throw something at the television listening to bernie. that what did he not do you wanted him to do? caller: he did not want to implement the choice program. he was against that. he thought that would lead to privatization. i got put on that choice program. started itit first was the worst. it took a long time to get worked out. it works great now. i live so far from the v.a. i live 88 miles away. i have glaucoma. i have to get somebody to drive me. that choiceant program. johnny isakson, the day he stepped in things started moving different. that's all i've got to say. thank you. host: front page of the new york times. how mccain got the last word against trump. not long after he learned here terminal brain cancer, he began convening meetings with trusted aides over his funeral. he choreographed the movement of his coffin from arizona to washington. in april, he began reaching out to republ

bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! bernie! >> stephen: wow. wow. everywhere you go, right? everywhere you go, other than the senate. your vermont primary was today, okay. what are you doing here? ( laughter ) shouldn't you be-- >> well, i voted eye voted in the morning. >> stephen: okay. >> i was around the state the other day. i think we will do just fine. >> stephen: okay, no worries. ( applause ) because you don't-- you don't want to pull a crowley here. >> no, we don't. >> stephen: that was a surprise. crowley didn't think he had to campaign hard enough and orcarsio-cortez came in and cleaned his clock. >> and that was a good thing, too. >> stephen: all right, you have been campaigning with-- she used to work for you, actually, for your campaign. and you've been out there with alexandria ortawzio-ortez right there. both of you identify as democratic socialists. what does that mean? >> i think it means, among other things, that if you work 40 hours a week in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, you should be earning a living wage, 15 bucks an hour. that's

sanders then gudrun how do you explain bernie sanders and i mean peter you even said yourself bernie sanders is the biggest story here yeah how do you guys if you think that it can't win and i mean we don't disagree on the corruption of the democratic establishment that's one thing where all of us will be in agreement but how do you explain bernie sanders a guy who was an open socialist who came out of nowhere and almost pretty much caused a grassroots revolution probably would of had the establishment not cheated him is applauded in the heartland with a true populist message how do you explain bernie sanders if you entertain the the democratic socialism can't win steve if you want to play. because bernie sanders yeah because bernie sanders is a polished socialist he doesn't talk about any of the other issues all it talks about is income inequality it's unfair unfair unfair he doesn't get into specifics it is talk about the jail's he doesn't talk about the the groups that you talk about transgender etc the focus is on one message and one message only which resonates with a certain pe

sanders then gudrun how do you explain bernie sanders and i mean peter you even said yourself bernie sanders is the biggest story here yeah do you guys if you think that it can't win and i mean we don't disagree on the corruption of the democratic establishment that's one thing where all of us will be in agreement but how do you explain bernie sanders a guy who is an open socialist who came out of nowhere and almost pretty much constant grassroots revolution probably would of had the establishment not cheated him is applauded in the heartland with a true populist message how do you explain bernie sanders if you entertain the the democratic socialism can't win steve if you want to play. because bernie sanders yeah because bernie sanders is a polished socialist he doesn't talk about any of the other issues all it talks about is income inequality it's unfair unfair unfair he doesn't get into specifics it is talk about the jail's he doesn't talk about the the groups that you talk about transgender etc he focuses on one message and one message only which resonates with a certain percentag

tell me, bernie, how much time have you given to a charity. forget the money. do you feel the page of these people? tell me how you express that pain in your efforts personally? i watch all the politicians on television, talking about how they feel people's pain, on and on, they leave, both parties, and you can't find them. you can't find them out of -- trish: pain for political purposes? >> look, politicians are be are what politicians are. they are going to be that. we need them, but we don't have to like them but we need them. the point is, show me people willing to give of themselves. my wife and i have been very blessed. we have given away lots and lots of money. every nickel we have given away we made back. every nickel. the time elaine gives, boys club in new york. very active at the animal medical center. i'm active at harlem's children. i'm active at a harlem's childrens school, ron and macdonald. i don't get the time back. and that is gone. the point i'm making is, the people espousing this nonsense, spewing it out blow eighting about it, i would like

i got to hand it to bernie. i saw him up there, the other day, that hair getting whiter and whiter and he's getting crazier and crazier. he doesn't quit, that's okay. crazy bernie. he is one crazy dude. [laughing] >> this comes as democrats apparently cannot agree on a mid-term message. politico reporting progressives are meeting in new orleans with mans to push the party toward impeaching him. dana is that a loser? >> dana: yes, it's a loser. i picked this today -- >> that's why i went to you. >> dana: thank you. there's so many people working in the democratic party trying to figure out, the third way guys, dnc, pelosi saying, she says we're not doing impeachment. we're not talking about it. there you have tom starr, this billionaire, why isn't anybody taking me seriously, i was going to give you money, i want you to say impeachment. they say please don't do this. politics by the billionaires is not good. i should go to richard but they're frustrated with the democrats, you haven't done enough to go after pres

taking cues from uncle bernie. regulation of yellow cabs in new york city, that is new york, liz, what do you expect? i don't think we'll see less of it. i think we'll see more of it, that is the problem. liz: wendy, here is the thing, we love your perspective, love having you on the show, voters out there see socialist millionaires like bernie sanders who never held a private sector job, three homes. i don't know how he got the three homes. cortez, never run a business, lecturing everyone else on rules. go ahead. >> this is the same landscape we see from all political parties. politicians tell us what to do, they often times don't follow the same rules for candidates or themselves. this is noting into new here. for example, donald trump always talks about immigrants. you look at mar-a-lago, employs more haitian people than most of the businesses in florida. liz: this is about changing rules for everybody else. that is what we're talking about. >> yeah. liz: reminds me of john kerry. remember john kerry wanted to r

he draped his arm around bernie sanders, and he talked about free tuition. he has been trying to put himself out there as a more progressive candidate, because he kind of has a rep for being more establishment, not playing well with the 2016 democratic primary process. and out of nowhere, from his left, comes cynthia nixon. she is showing not only -- she is showcasing the fact that his positions are not as progressive as people would like them to be, i think, in the democratic merry she is base, but i think also showing what thin skin he has. he has a real issue talking to the press. he frequently gets angry in the face of tough questions. i am not sure how well that attitude would play out in iowa, come 2019 and 2020. it has been interesting to see how different people have advanced and how in some ways, retreated. al: i want to get into that, alex. how thankful are you guys for cynthia nixon? alex: [laughs] she has been a source of great joy and great fun in america rising, particularly during that new york democratic convention, a couple of months ago. ou

arm around bernie sanders, he talked about free tuition. he has been trying to put himself out there is a more progressive candidate because he has a rap for being more established and to not play well the 2016 democratic primary process. out of nowhere, from his left come cynthia nixon. only --howing not showcasing the fact that his positions are not as progressive as people would like them to be, but i think he is also showing what thin skin he has. that is something people at the new york area did not realize. he has a real issue talking to the press. he frequently gets angry in the face of tough questions. i'm not sure how well that attitude would play out in iowa, come 2019 and 2020. it has been interesting to see how different people have advanced and in some ways are treated. >> how fickle are you guys for cynthia nixon -- thankful are you guys for something that some? particularly during the new york democratic convention. that was just a couple of months ago. team, and i mean this genuinely, has so much fun watching this. what we s

i just wanted to acknowledge bernie's family, her husband and daughter are here and i know that it's a family -- a family affair for this project. so i do want to thank you for all of the work and the support that you give to bernie to provide such a beautiful location for our clients. one of the important processes for our clients is social support. and so to be together and to learn together and to support each other is one of the important processes and also important contribution that a facility like this provides. so it would be such a great honor and i want to acknowledged kelly, our transitions director, who really manages with bernie and i heard that she's one of the best negotiators as bernie says, that she does what she is told to. and we are appreciative of both of the teams and so i appreciate you, bernie, and i want to bring you up. [applause] >> good morning. i'm bernadette joseph, the owner and director of operations at victorian manor. thank you, mayor breed, and supervisor cohen and supervisor mandelman and supervisor brown, and director of health garcia, barbara gar

cory booker, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, joe biden. it would be interesting to see who they are. after the on anything last couple of years, the list will change. some people who seem hot right now, who seem like front runners will not be a year from now. people that are not on our radar, members of the senate, will probably on the radar. it is interesting because they are sitting there, sometimes i find as i talked to oprah -- operatives in both parties, republicans don't understand democrats and democrats don't understand republicans. you have a bunch of republicans trying to guess how the democratic party is going to pick their nominee. they might not be the best situated to decide that. right now, it sounds like they have a vacuum cleaner and they are trying to download as much information as they can and they are trying, unsuccessfully, to get democrats to attack each other by highlighting some of the areas of this grievance. it does aid to pick up those scabs. frankly, she is talking about finance -- campaign finance. pushing dem

this is what the bernie sander's people said, if you run to the left. if you provide a true contrast with donald trump and have a personal back story. you can beat donald trump. florida and georgia will test that theory. >> he is trying to type cast gillum, describing him as the biggest dream for the desantis campaign he's calling it. he calls him a failed socialist mayor. the last time the democrats won state wide in florida, there was a liberal african-american at the top of the tick by the name of barack obama. is gillum more like bernie sanders or barack obama in. >> i think he's both. if you need in that state. you need heavy african-american turnout. bernie sanders suffered from that. hillary clinton was drawing huge african-american voters. yes, gillum goes after the democratic base the progressive base. he is someone that appeals to arkin american voters and young voters. someone that can do all three can with inin florida. >> florida may be different from georgia is a microcomes of the country. a decidedly purple state, goes back and forth. con

bernie sanders' supporters and hillary clinton supporters in 2016. this criticism of the super delegates has been going on for decades and culminated in 2016 with the bitter, bitter fight between bernie and hillary. this reform today changes that and effectively removes the power of the superdelegates so the problems won't come up again in 2020. >> so what are some of the other changes to the superdelegates? >> right. so some of the changes they may say is that superdelegates won't be able to vote on the first ballot for president. and what that means is, there's no way that superdelegates can affect the outcome of who the pledged delegates vote for at the convention. the pledged delegates are chosen by proportions with how the states vote. so whoever the voters select in 2020, and whoever the delegates are that represent that vote, those are the people who will be able to vote on the first ballot. if a candidate has enough pledged delegates to make up a majority of the convention so that there's no way that superdelegates can affect the outcome, the

the context is gillam does have backing of socialist democrats like bernie sanders and ocasio-cortez but discussed controversy because gillam would be the first black governor of the sunshine state if he wins, the chair of the florida democratic party charging this comment from the congressman was a, quote, racist dog whistle. >> lasting we need to do is monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. that is not going to work. that is not going to be good for florida. >> he is rejecting the criticism and worth noting he made a similar point about socialism and tuesday night interview on fox in which he said florida did not want to become venezuela and after today's interview, that clarifies he was referring to socialist policies and any effort to characterize otherwise is absurd. and shortly before that controversy broke out the president again tweeted his support declaring not only does ron desantis easily when the republican primary but his opponent in november is his biggest dream, a failed socialist mayor named andrew gil

. >> host: you mentioned bernie sanders and the presidency. do you think he will run? >> guest: i hope he does. i don't know where the members will be for the democratic organizations. it is recognized after the financial crash an uprising the country was ready for a change and articulated that in a language that was accessible to millions of people and he totally changed american politics so poor that we want to continue building on that and building the institutions so they can help other people go through the experience where i saw an an event about the social feminism or we could talk about what is happening in the rest of the world of these decisions and thenci i realized there were decisions being made by the very wealthy. so we want to create an organization around the country so that we can start political change but also supports change in election in the political system and communities working on issues like rent control, affordable housing, healthcare, pushing for medicare for all and other issues working people care about. >> host: we want to hear what the

divisionickles' left under bernie. humphries with his right division and hancock's left division they're all in column. it makes sense to do so. because the confederate threat was initially, so far away to the north, in assembling in column -- and a something in column would make it easier for the units to move when called to do so. his two divisions out of humphries on the right, and bernie on the left, were similar to hold those division of the second core -- coldwell's division of the second corps. bernien the morning, discovered confederates that were moving around bernie's front to his left. when he reported this to sickles he had bernie advance and we'll left -- wheel left. that is what you are looking at here. ok. idea of how you an this could have been largely if not entirely concealed by what's -- woods and they fall of an elevation, i have this photograph from the minnesota monument. approximately where hancock himself might've been. looking in that direction, the farm there, you can see the rooftops of the b

joining us now, the former campaign manager for bernie sanders and author of "how bernie won." how are you? >> i'm well, how are you? >> i'm well, i'm assuming you are happy because gillum is a bernie backed candidate. >> let's be clear, the credit goes to and rye gillum and his team who worked hard and had a message that resonated with people in florida. he was a person of humble origins with a tremendous career helping people through his government service in florida. i think the voters responded accordingly. it is a great night for progressives, the -- >> sometimes the night blaeds in -- bleeds into the morning, to his raet his credit he was outspend, and he was tested, he did not expect this upset, maybe he has not been put through the ringer as much as someone else and that could come back to haunt him. >> well he is a yourng man, but he has a long career in public service. as you noted he ran against opponents that spent it wills of millions more than he did. his success here i think bodes well for the general election. people here are hurting. unemployment is low, and he

bernie sanders, the majority of his support came millennials. as i said, the democrats have seized on this, whether it's corey beerk, kamala harris, elizabeth warren and clearly bernie sanders or this new young lady that won the prime air for congress in new york, they are admitting that they are socialists, it's no longer something they are trying to hide, socialism, democrat, progressive, they become very much synonymous terms. that's a problem, that's a problem for our country. it's a direction that i don't think we want to go. it's not in our interesting to. and you wonder how did they end up insinuating, how do they socialist progressives insinuating themselves into our life in it's not hard to see, they insinuating themselves into the education system. as a matter of fact, ap history courses at high schools are taught out of a book by a man named howard zen, admitted communist, he writes the history of america as history of oppression, as opposed to history of economic freedom and personal liberty. you can see it in our entertainment indus

one is backed by president trump, the other is backed by bernie sanders and yet they have one thing in common. neither of them are affected by their parties establishment. >> we are going to make florida blue asked mike >> tallahassee mayor andrew gillum shocked the democratic establishment in florida by just barely beating former congressman 1 gram, the daughter of a former governor in the state. he did it by writing a surge of liberal support that he became the first african-american nominee for governor in the state's history. just because these were not the primary, don't expect him to run to the center and the general. >> i will stay true. i will stay consistent with my values and i will offer voters something to go out and vote for and not just against. >> gillum is for abolishing i.c.e., the immigration and customs enforcement agency. he's for universal health care, raising the minimum wage command salaries for teachers. he plans to pay for it by raising the states corporate tax rate from 5.5 percent to 7%. his republican opponent, congressman ron desantis, causing the most libe

in 2011 bernie sanders made the statement it was the richest country south america. so what are the socialists afraid of? what are progressives afraid of? the democrats afraid of? i used to go on tv a lot during the obama administration as elizabeth mentioned and i would never criticize president obama i think he was a duly elected president of the united states and that entitled him to my respect as a person but policies were fair game and i went after those policies viciously because i thought they were hurting my company, they were hutting my employees, hurting american workers and hurting the american economy. i wanted him to succeed. but i thought the policies he was pursuing would cause him to fail. that's not the case with the criticism of president trump today. the left isn't afraid president trump is going to fail. they're afraid president trump is going succeed. and god bless him if he isn't succeeding in spades. we have actually gone -- those interviews i did that elizabeth mentioned, i'd go on and the interview would inevitably -- somebody would say, andy

they're going to throw bernie overboard i'm going to take this calculated risk i will be bernie you know centers of crazy hair and i'll win the presidency and absolutely correct you know as far as g.o.p. madness and the democrats are having the red scare and i did see some courageous behavior by hollywood liberal elites like alec baldwin who has come out and said that any money made on this movie mission impossible in distributed in russia he's going to give that to charity any of the money made by distributing this film mission impossible ball is going to give his portion to charity wait a minute that's not going to happen because he's afraid well speaking of red scare here is the district wide detailed map of america and this is from the new york times they've just collected all the data they can two years from since the election to gather all the data so you can see all of the deplorable and losers and make up much of the country according to the democrats according to m s n b c according to c.n.n. according to hillary clinton lovers those people are losers here that the blue areas i

bernie sanders is smart. he promises free stuff that we cannot afford a generation that does not know any better. but you have seen in the ballot box socialism has not been doing very well in the last couple primary votes. steve: charlie, i have actually been to some bernie sanders rallies, and they love him for that very purpose there are lot of people in the audience don't have anything. so the fact that there is a guy up on the stage and he is telling me i'm going to get a free college. i'm going to get a free you name it, i love that guy. >> right. marxism and socialism is always built on the best intentions of the public to be able to enrich the elites. it's the politicians that are actually going to benefit from socialism. this is the most important thing. when i talk to young socialists, they think that bernie sanders and those on the left are on the side of freedom. they are not. they are on the side of making government bigger and making our lives smaller. the bigger the government, the smaller the c

i was not a supporter of bernie sanders. i kind of was happy a couple weeks ago when six out of seven of bernie's selected candidates lost, and now we've got to kind of face the music because it's basically bernie's pretty much invisibly on the ticket now, if you look at this race. so no, it's not really the best timing for us, especially, i'm glad the economy is doing well, but we are going to have a tough road ahead, especially because we are being outspent so much. david: it's true. spending is one issue. but brad, the reason why we are growing so much, a lot of people would argue, including myself, i have been pushing for tax cuts for awhile, is because we have tax cuts, whereas gillum has -- gillum is the guy in florida who is running against desantis who is backed by bernie sanders. he's coming out with this major spending plan and he was on fox news earlier. we asked him how he was going to pay for it all. here's what he answered. >> what we proposed is an increase in the corporate tax rate which in the state of flori

does he campaign with bernie? does he remain a bernie democrat, or does he start to inch toward the center, and how can he do that? >> well, no, i think the key in all races right now, and i think you're going to see this across the country -- specifically in georgia which also has a democrat black woman running against a trumpian, brian kemp -- i think what you're going to see is they're saying we're going to talk about the issues from the democratic perspective. and the issue will be -- and this is what gillam did in his race, say i'm the only non-millionaire in the race. guy: that's not an issue. >> oh, it is. because you want to say in a time of income inequality i relate to you, struggling people, who are having a hard time paying for your kids to go to college, college tuition. i'm the ones who can relate when a big medical bill comes in how it throws a after your budget. -- off your budget. it's not going to, i think republicans may say, oh, sounds like socialism, but you know what? i wonder if voters inste

a proxy battle between donald trump and bernie sanders which has implications for 2020. shannon: thank you very much. for now we head to arizona where results have started coming in. peter doocy is live covering results in arizona. >> reporter: officials of the mc sally campaign expect to see her the results any minute. they are confident in the fighter pilot turned congresswoman's chances of advancing to the general election. mc sally told me she believes arizona is a firewall, republicans need it if they want to keep control of the senate but it is not a sure thing that a republican will succeed jeff flake. a few hours ago some polling places didn't open up on time because the company hired to set up the machines did not send workers every polling place. there were hundreds of complaints about that and talk about extending voting hours but it didn't happen. they do expect 1 million to vote in this primary and officials have only been counting for an hour. others on the republican ticket are doctor kelly word and county sheriff joe arpaio. even though mc sally won the e

bernie sanders had a good 2016ign this last cycle in and i am not a bernie sanders independent. i am a member of the constitution party. darrell castle could not get money. thanks to seize that we get to see them but they never get on the national stage. -- thanks to c-span we get to see them but we never see them on the national stage. they need so much money and the taste of victory is so sweet that the supporters of the candidate will yield to temptation and take excessive contributions. guest: i am pushing resistance is futile, a fun book, you have we trustnd -- in trump , you are completely wrong. that money buys elections. campaign consultants have persuaded politicians that they do need money. spent less money than probably anyone since the lbj era. knows to win who the white house. if a politician pushes popular ideas, that works. no one watches campaign ads. it funds the campaign consultants. i will not go into much of this but let me cite one example of shyster campaign consultant, in annecticut, why do we have semi-retarded senator. we had a good guy who could've run

bernie sanders isn't talking about socialism. he is talking about more just a traditional left-wing agenda in the most cheerful attitude, it is sweden. in reality greece or venezuela. as an economist it is important to make sure we understand the definition. melissa: kristin, is there a taint to socialism? do the majority of americans think it's a great thing like bernie thinks? >> i think some naive, economically ignorant voters on the far left will like this socialism message and sadly these types of voters make up a significant portion of the democratic party today. a new gallop poll found 57% of democrats view socialism postively. i have to tell you, melissa, the vast majority of americans, including independents and pod rat democrats are terrified of socialism. they see what is going on in venezuela and parts of europe. socialism doesn't work and these left-wing socialists are due for a wake-up call in november. melissa: dan, bernie sanders thinks everything is free. get free stuff. >> he has a warm and fuzzy version of redi

worth noting what bernie sanders said in 2011 about socialism. the american dream is more apt to be realized in south america in places like ecuador, venezuela and argentina. as you see the video showing venezuelans looting and eating out of garbage cans just trying to survive. not only that millions of starving venezuelans fleeing by the millions to other countries in south america. venezuelans a common sight in those countries around dumpsters like braces like brazil. parents send their children to scavage for food. here is what he said. >> funny, sometimes american journalists talk about how bad a country people lining up for food. that is a good thing. in other countries people don't line up for food. the rich get the food and the poor starve to death. liz: food lines are a good thing. during a television interview while sanders was campaigning for the presidency, senator bernie sanders refused to answer questions about the implosion of socialism in venezuela. watch. >> i'm sure you know about this topic. the left is imploding in much of lati

this dates back to bernie sanders' campaign. supporters suspected suspected the dnc worked against the campaign and may have stolen the election from him. more now from washington. >> reporter: democratic superdelegates are hundreds of insiders who make up 15% of the vote. starting in 2020 they may have to sit out for the first vote. under new rules passed by the democratic national committee if the first ballot is contested, meaning no one candidate has enough delegates to win out right then superdelegates cannot need for ballot then they can vote. this move is in response to bernie sanders' campaign in 2016. his supporters accused leaders to drive up the number for hillary clinton as bernie sanders was trying to challenge her. >> interesting is before any of the -- hillad 400 super delegates that going to vote for her. bernie sanders press secretary, that was one of the issues -- >> reporter: not everyone believes they have held that much power or they unfairly put hillary clinton over the top during the primary. >> we always

but last night uncle bernie sanders told stephen colbert there is more to life than winning primaries. >> i think the real issue is the ideas we have been talking about almost without exception are now ideas that are mainstream ideas supported by the vast majority of the american people. kennedy: that must be why every single socialist candidate endorsed by alexandria ocasio-cortez lost in the primaries as did the candidates bernie sanders endorsed. he was urged to drop the word "socialist" but that didn't add up for bernie because socialists are bad at math. let me ask john stossel. there is a discorrect between utopia and history. and they don't seem to grasp that. when you try and explain to democratic socialists the ills of socialism they say that's not real socialism. >> it's not real socialism. look at sweden and denmark and northern europe. they take care of people. well, that's not socialism. those countries don't allow the government to run the economy and they have a slightly bigger welfare state. sweden is cutting back on it. the only reason they work at all is they had an

and i think this resembles the bernie sanders versus hillary clinton proxy battle in a way, because that was a genuine difference of opinion in what direction to go, how to campaign, how to think about issues inside the democratic party. you have the center-left candidate in hillary clinton, who gretchen whitmore sounded very much in the mold of, you know, kind of, remember hillary clinton's phrase, i'm a progressive who likes to get things done? >> yes, indeed. >> that's almost exactly how she's campaigning, where you have abdul sayyed who's running a as a progressive candidate on medicare for all, a much bolder, loftier vision, even if it may not be achievable in the near future, some progressives believe that's the way to galvanize the base. the big "x" factor is women. the democratic base have decided to turn a corner and they want more women in power. >> that's totally understand and agree with that particular point. and you know, one thing that our first read team has looked at, they've -- they rate, under this headline, in democratic primaries, it's often bernie sanders versus emi

>> bernie did that last time. i'm more interested in people that are real democrats that fight every day for democrats every year, day in and day out and run as democrats. as we speak, bernie sanders is an indicted from vermont. >> dana: don't worry that these changes were hurt the democrats? 2020? >> no. but people like leah daughtry are upset about the rules and they should be. >> dana: what do you think? >> it's legit. if you're black, you want your voice to be heard. i'm not ignoring that. there's a very real sentiment, a reason why millennials are not aligning with the democrats and republicans. they're -- >> they vote democratic. >> dana: you want them a part of the party? >> exactly. there's -- >> dana: the republicans would like them, too. >> finally women and candidates of color are finally winning off in bigger numbers as they will this year. >> dana: 2018, we'll see what happens. loved having you here, a little democratic discussion and debate. love it. i learned a lot. michael blame and maryann marsh.

in fact, bernie pushed hilary to the left. the biggest thing this came from the democratic primary in 2016 was hillary clinton moved to the left because of the pressure from bernie sanders and his supporters. did it help her in the generals? no, it did not. i do think that it works very well in the bronx where ocasio-cortez is from but not in the rest of the country because those people work hard and know they are going to be the ones paying for medicare for all or free college for all. >> it's incredible this is happening because even on the democratic side when have you moderate candidates, tim ryan say moderate candidate from ohio. he's basically talking about donald trump's promises and president trump's policies like lower taxes but he won't even get the party's nomination, right? they're all the way to the left. >> yeah, it depends on the seat. some better than others. danny o'connor who narrowly lost in ohio last night his campaigning was clever and he was complaining about the republican tax cuts but not so much as a g

you mentioned bernie sanders, do you think you will run in 2020? guest: i hope he does. i do not know where our members will be in 2020, but i think he has completely transformed the political system in this country. he recognized after the financial crash and occupy wall , the country was ready and articulated that in a language that was accessible to people and changed olitics. p we wanted to and building that and chapters everywhere help everyone go to the experience that i went through where eyes saw an event about andalis feminism then i realized, there were decisions being made by the very wealthy. we want to create an organization in communities across the country so we can create political change but also, support change in between elections. in the labore work movement and the political system and in communities working on issues like tenants rights, affordable housing, health care, medicare for all, and other issues that working people care about. host: we want to hear what the viewers care about in his conversation with the democratic socialist of america, the

be a civilized society. >> martha: she has the same message as bernie sanders. this is not socialism. it's a dirty label. all we want is medicare for everybody. $15 minimum wage. do you think that's a message that will work? >> the way that christine said it will work. the way bernie sanders said it is not. she was not out there saying i am a democratic socialist. she was talking about rights and that's the crux of this argument. we americans in persuit of life and liberty should have access to healthcare and education should be affordab ablable and only have a minimum wage but a living wage. it was not about the progressive block against the mainstream. if you drop the dirty socialist word you have a platform that can win and will win in november. >> martha: chris, 37 republican house seats are leaning in the toss up or worse category for republicans? uh-oh. couldn't hear you. >> agree with me. >> i have been silenced. this is an ungood year to be running as a republican in a lot of districts. we have 29 seats as poss ups. -- toss ups. most are republicans. dem