mueller needs him. mueller is putting together his case brick by brick by brick and is very methodical and very careful and the noose is tightening. >> frank, guiliani said it tonight, trump's name was not mentioned, had nothing to do with trump, i heard this from people. elizabeth is saying if manafort is convicted this make the mueller case stronger. >> a verdict in the manafort case is not an all or nothing equation for the special counsel. it's absolutely important for at least three reasons, first, as you already discussed, is a possibility manafort at some time, even post conviction could indeed flip. he could have enough of the baloney sandwiches and protein loaf in prison and he could get a reduction for significant cooperation. secondly, gates. to the extent the manafort case used gates as a key witness, gates is still important for the next manafort trial being a foreign agent. i think gates has volumes to say about that. if we lose the first trial, if they get an acquittal, gates is a credibl

mueller is very smart, and the president is the worst possible witness and will make mueller's case for perjury that much easier just because of the way he simply cannot control what he says. >> when we talk about mueller, according to the giuliani team, the president's team, somewhat narrowing their request to focus on the meetings with the russians, which is conspiracy to commit election fraud or whatever, to meddle, to hack, whatever you want to call it, and then also separately the obstruction, going back to comey and a lot of the other sort of nexus of comments, statements, pressure. most recently, this extraordinary tweet storm yesterday against both jeff sessions and mueller. what do you make of that, if those are the things that mueller is really zeroing in on? >> i think the negotiation is very much in mueller's interest. if this comes to a fight over a subpoena, mueller wants to present to the court his effort to accommodate the president any way he can. in the same way, trump saying i really want to do this but my lawyers won't allow me, mueller wants to show that he's trying

mueller has the facts. those facts are going to come out one way or another, whether he gets fired or not. then we'll have -- i don't believe impeachment should be politic political. it is political but i don't think it should be. it's a process and i think we should respect the evidence. there is evidence and somebody knows what it is. trump is unfit to serve but that has to be removed if he's going to be removed from office. >> what should be the message from democrats to get the vote out? >> oh donald trump will supply the message to get the vote out. i think democrats ought to stay positive. nobody needs to criticizes donald trump. donald trump has done a great job every day reminding everybody in the country that he's completely unfit to serve. what we need to do is have a strong platform. i like very much where we are. we're having individuals write their own platforms for their districts. we're going to elect individuals who are going to represent their districts whether moderate districts or liberal

he then went on talking about mueller. anyone needing that much time is just someone looking for trouble. they are enjoying ruining people's lives and refuse to look at the real corruption on the democrats' side. the lies, the firings, the deleted e-mails and so much more. mueller's angry dems are a national disgrace. the president railed against bruce ohr's security clearance which he is threatening to yank, and also john brennan. studied the late joseph mccarthy, we are now in period with mueller and his gang that makes mccarthy look like a baby. mccarthy was a demagogue who routinely twisted the truth. trump's former attorney and close friend was the lawyer roy cohn who helped mccarthy be that demagogue who routinely twisted the truth. robert mueller, until the president began taking shots at him, has always been known and praised for being the opposite of mccarthy. but the president would have you believe that mccarthy and mueller are on equal footing. that's the place we're in right now. the place where the gaslight i

mueller's versions may disagree with that. they are probing to how the president talks to and precious the attorney general and how this fits into criminal intent. >> clearly, this statement is serious and substantial evidence of criminal intent, even if it doesn't constitute a time itself. the president is coming close to actual committing the crime of obstruction of justice, if not crossing that line already. these tweets, adding to each other, amount to evidence of criminal intent. there is now, right now a clearly credible case of obstruction of justice against the president of the united states. >> why is this happening now? there's a new report that suggests it's not just the manafort trial that shows what happens to defendants who don't cooperate with mueller but also trump learned within the last day the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and like to ask limited questions. there is still pressure for the president to respond and wednesday, that was the gwenny sgwenny -- genesis for his early morning tw

you'll believe a mueller/trump meeting when you see it? >> in other words, i'll believe it when i see it like i don't think it's going to happen. i'm a long term card carrying member of that club. i think however much they pare it down, it will be questions if he answers them falsely he'll be subject to criminal charges. there will be questions did you know flynn was under investigation? we have new reports that shows he was. there are probably half a doze other thing that trump doesn't know and mueller does and, yeah, i don't see his sitting down with them under any circumstances where there's criminal penalty and i don't see mueller situation. we knew if we needed any help that the president's words were going to be impactful. the minute we learned how many news organizations got what the president meant to say, phone calls afterwards, i know yours was among them. >> absolutely. they're trying to make the part, this is an opinion, not a command. that's because they understand there is a line. that's where they've drawn the line. he can e

robert mueller. trump wanted mcgahn's help in having mueller fired. mcgahn refused, even threatening to quit if trump went through with the firing. which some in congress suggest would trigger a political tempest if not impeachment proceedings. the bottom line, don mcgahn talked with mueller's team for more than 30 hours. investigators rarely talk to anyone that long unless they're hearing something interesting. that's why the president should be worried. even as he says he's not. don? >> tom foreman, thank you so much. here to discuss, former u.s. attorney guy lewis and cnn legal analyst and defense attorney shan wu. gentlemen, good evening to you. good to have you on. guy, i'm going to start with you. we've got flynn, comey, sessions. tom foreman just laid it all out. don mcgahn knows a lot and spent 30 hours talking to mueller's team. how dangerous do you think he is to president trump? >> don, i think that mcgahn is potentially a bombshell witness. no kidding. look, i did this for a long time and very seldom, very seldom did i get an opportunity t

devin nunes is saying, i don't care what mueller find, we're supposed to be a block on the mueller process. if you gave nunes the f and the a, he couldn't spell fact. all he says is we've got to block what they do. the senate's got this right. the house never has. >> the funny thing about congressman nunes that surprises me sometimes is that president trump is loyal to no one that's not named trump. it's a wonder why he thinks that if at any point it becomes useful to the president to say congressman nunes, who? never heard of the guy. he used to get coffee for us. he probably will do that based on his track record. so why is he sticking to closely to him? it's hard to say. >> new statistics coming out from puerto rico to the hurricanes, the death toll from last year's hurricanes in puerto rico, irma and maria. now 1,427 people were killed from this hurricane, as opposed to about 60 originally mentioned in the early statistics. it's approaching hurricane ka trina at 1,833. these are american citizens on puerto rico. what are your thoughts on the new information from the government of puert

again, lying to the mueller investigation. according to a report, byron york, it appears papadopoulos, who was in his 20s, not only played a small role in the campaign. i followed this campaign closely. i had never heard of him. but also played a small role in mueller's ongoing witch hunt. papadopoulos has not been charged with any crime related to russia collusion, campaign conspiracy, but his life is now turned upside down. and just like manafort and others, it looks like michael cohen, we will have plenty more on that story, his wife will join us tonight. now let's turn to another update from the mueller target ball manafort jury deliberations still underway. three full days now in the 2005 bank fraud case. the media is now looking at this as the trial of the century. it's not. manafort facing counts and a potential life in prison over charges that have nothing to do with russia, collusion, the campaign or donald trump. see a pattern here? manafort, papadopoulos, others. they have just become pawns, really just pawns, in ro

, so mueller might say, well, i believe comey. even if i'm telling truth, that makes me a liar. that's no good. it goes on to say trump did not comment on whether he would ultimately agree an interview with mueller. also, trump asserted that he retained power to intervene in the probe but that he had chosen not to do so in the moment. quoting the president here. i can go in and i could do whatever. i could run it if i want. but i decided to stay out, he said. i'm totally allowed to be involved if i wanted to be. so far i haven't chosen to be involved. i'll stay out. not long after that interview the president's lawyer said this about the mueller investigation. >> they're trying to run it right into the election. if that's their strategy, the american people have to learn that. they're trying to do same thing comey did. to become judge and jury of the 2018 elections. that is a tragedy with a phony investigation like this. they simply don't have any evidence of collusion and they have no evidence of obstruction, other than their ver

mueller and the madam. robert mueller's team interviews the woman who earned notoriety as the manhattan madam. the special counsel apparently wants to know about her ties to roger stone. is mueller building a case against the long-time trump ally? russian hysteria after u.s. intelligence chiefs paint a grim picture of continuing russian interference at u.s. elections. moscow responds with ridicule, calling it case of hysteria. >>> cooking the books. prosecutors say paul manafort lied about stashing money offshore. accountants say the former trump campaign chairman was cooking the books, and the government's star witness still hasn't taken the stand. >>> and pompeo versus the president. even as president trump lavishes praise on kim jong-un, secretary of state mike pompeo now says the north korean leader is not living up to his commitment to denuclearize. are they on the same page? i'm wolf blitzer, and you're in "the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. special counsel robert mue

mcgan has been at center of a lot of things that mueller is looking into, including trying to fire mueller last summer. something he instructed don mcgahn to do and he refused to do. and people sometimes confuse and blur the line of what mcgahn's role is here. he is the white house counsel, which means he is representing the presidency not the president. but sources tell me the president sometimes confuses those two and often thinks that don mcgahn is abilitying as his own attorney. two thing to note when you note that the special counsel did sit down with the white house counsel for 30 hours. a lot of legal experts have said that's highly unusual. >> he has attacked mueller on twitter 250 times and again, disgraced and discredited. >> that's right. he is continuing to lash out at robert mueller as he is showing frustration over this revelation about don mcgahn. we are seeing that regularly on his twitter feed. also, he is implying that the special counsel could affect the midterm election this is fall. you saw that in his twitter feed today saying it could disrupt the elections, calling h

what that means to mueller only mueller knows. it would give 67 aid and comfort to the president this guy who knows a lot who probably doesn't particularly like him had a candid conversation for 30 hours. >> i ask you this question. "the new york times" reported that last summer the president of the united states asked don mcgahn to go fire bob mueller. that's been reported, right? the likelyest question in the world, the conversation he's had with bob mueller, is that the only time the president asked you to fire bob mueller? there is no one who has a sense of donald trump who hasn't watched the arc of this, he has grown more agitate ed about robert mueller. if he tried to fire him last year, he said you didn't fire him the time i told you to. fire him now. it beggars belief he's asked him more than once. >> here's why trump is in so much trouble. when you look at the incompetence of this white house, they have only done one thing well. there is only one competent parliament of this white house and that is the arm of the white ho

important to mueller. so mcgadon mcgahn with the two s that he has been there had the front row seat to a lot of the dealings, a lot of things that the president didscrutinized. >> thank you very much. and joining us now, a democratic senator of hi, key membawaii. senator, do you believe that the president is actually pushing out don mcgahn as part of an overall a effort to end the entire mueller probe? >> i know the president keeps trying to end the mueller probe, but anything that he does with regard to the mueller probe can be deemed part of an obstruction. so he should be very careful. on the other hand, we know don mcgahn had talked to the special counsel people for 30 hours. and now with the departure, he could very well be brought before the mueller people to ask what else. so anything that the president discusses with mcgahn now could be part of whatever further questions the mueller people have. >> do you think those 30 hours of testimony will be key to the mueller investigation. >> i think it wil

>>> mueller's support. two-thirds of americans say they back the special counsel's probe in the first poll taken since the paul manafort and michael cohen convictions. this as the

did they get to mueller? t it seems like they connected based on these emails we have. >> i don't want to go that far. i think the fbi was receiving information during the time special counsel mueller is in charge of the investigation. it is not clear that peterer strzok or the other fbi agents told that to mueller. we know that peter strzok had interviews as late as the summer of 2017 with the fbi with ohr getting the information. it definitely made it into his investigation. >> sean: out off time. thank you both. there's more new information coming. tick tock. up next, a hannity exclusive with president trump's attorney, rudy giuliani. also alan dershowitz and so much more straight ahead. ♪ -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use -- 0600. i'd stay close. morning. ♪ get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, "protected by alan and jamie." -right? -should it? when you bundle home and auto... run, alan! ...you get more

mueller's totally conflicted. his 17 angry democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to the usa." what are we looking at there? we're seeing the public part. what else is trump doing to shut down the probe in private tonight? that's a big question. you can also see how this is evidence of obstruction that concerns even trump's own lawyers because their argument today was hey, no, trump did not say what he said, that his call to stop the probe was not really a call to stop the probe, not an order. mueller's investigators may disagree with that. they are probing how the president talks to and pressures the doj. one democrat a former prosecutor, spoke to how this all fits into criminal intent. >> clearly there statement is serious and substantial evidence of criminal intent. even if it doesn't constitute a crime itself. the president is coming close to actual committing the crime of obstruction of justice if not crossing that line already. and these tweets adding to each other amount to evidence of crimi

did they get to mueller? it seems like they connected based on these emails we have. >> i don't want to go that far. i think the fbi was receiving information during the time special counsel mueller is in charge of the investigation. it is not clear that peter strzok or the other fbi agents told that to mueller. we know that peter strzok had interviews as late as the summer of 2017 with the fbi with ohr getting the information. it definitely made it into his investigation. >> sean: out of time. thank you both. there's more new information coming. tick tock. up next, a hannity exclusive with president trump's attorney rudy giuliani. also alan dershowitz and so much more straight ahead. ♪ are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? (vo) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (

and convince mueller and mueller's team that they're wrong. i actually think that that times report sounds spot-on to me. >> and, david, the man who is now saying today that they should end the mueller investigation said this about james comey. this is december 2017. he said i never asked comey to stop investigating flynn. and if there is anything that is credible about donald trump, it's that he asks people to stop investigations as he did today publically. >> you know, i run a burrow of 20 people. if i say to someone, you shouldn't write this story, in my mind, i'm instructing them to write this story, and i expect to see the story. but, you know, without getting caught in semantics, this is what the beginning of a constitutional crisis looks like. the president of the united states asking or telling the attorney general who is recused to unrecuse himself and stop an investigation that seems to be getting even closer to trump and his inner circle. we get distracted by the outlandish drapings that come out on these decisions and then we get b

rick gates, mueller's star witness is set to testify any day now. he has already pleaded guilty and is cooperating with prosecutors. kristen davis, the infamous manhattan madam met with a member of mueller's team. it's believed she met with mueller because of her close ties to another trump confidant roger stone. only time will tell what if anything will happen in this trump trip to bedminster, we should be in for an unexpectedly evidentful supper vacation. joining us now, julia ansly. he was not courtroom today. deputy assistant attorney general under president clinton and glen kurshne rerkr. jeff sessions in the room with the president when he was told robert mueller was going to be special counsel. according to bloomberg news, jeff session offered his resignation in that moment. >> that's right. it for jeff sessions the idea that robert mueller had been aopponented was obvious right there, that it was because he recused himself from this investigation that third down been allowed to happen, that rod rosenstein was able to appoint the special coun

attorney is going to counter mueller's importance. he's going to smear the career prosecutors who have been working on this. it's disgraceful. >> it's kind of interesting, we do forget that rudy giuliani is a former u.s. attorney. he doesn't talk like somebody who entirely knows how the law work. >> he's not just a former u.s. attorney but a former associate attorney general, and he represents the president of the united states who's ultimately under the constitution. he has a different responsibility than your standard off the street defense attorney. and when you see him come out and attack fbi agents and call them storm troopers, compare them to agents of nazi germany, undermine the justice and know full well it has not just in this case but the justice department's ability to do its job in all security cases is reprehensible and kind of cynical behavior from a former prosecutor who not just should know better but knows better and just doesn't care. >> thank you. >>> coming up a closer look at the legal implications of the national

that is disqualifying for mueller. and mr. mueller has a lot of conflict, also, directly yourself. so you know that mr. mueller is highly conflicted. in fact, comey is like his best friend. i could go into conflict after conflict. but sadly, mr. mueller is conflicted. h but let him write his report. we did nothing. there is no collusion. but if he was doing an honest report, he would write it on the other side because, when you look at accurately and you look at problems, take a look at what they did, including colluding with the russians, the other side. >> judge jeanine: also tonight today was the second day of deliberations in the paul manafort trial. the jury has not yetod delivered a verdict. they deliberated though for over 14 hours. the trial is now in recess until monday morning. president trump was asked about the manafort trial today and here's what he had to say about it. >> i think the whole manafort trial is very sawed. when you look at what's going on there. i think it's a very sad day for our country. he worked for me for a very short period of time. but you know wha

is robert mueller inquiring about that? >>> and dangerous threat. a man charged with trying to kill employees at a major paper after he echoed the president's mantra that journalists are, quote, the enemy of the people. >>> tonight, growing fears that mr. trump's anti-media attacks are inciting violence. we want to welcome viewers in the united states and around the world. i am wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we are following breaking news. the president setting the stage for potential moves to thwart the russian investigation. he says he views the mueller probe as quote, illegal, leaving the door open to define the subpoena from the special counsel. the president also suggesting he might fire or force jeff sessions in coming weeks. he says the attorney

why would mueller want to rush? he's not going to finish until he's ready to present the case. >> what do you think is the point or value of a tweet like this from rudy giuliani? glenn made a good point, you did, too, the mueller team is all but ignoring this sort of stuff that we're seeing on twitter. what's the -- who's giuliani talking to? >> his audience is entirely donald trump's political base and the republican senators and house members who are elected by that base, who are going to make a decision about potential impeachment and more importantly conviction in the senate, which requires a two-thirds vote of the senate. say the democrats take back the house, democrats decide to impeach donald trump. only way there's a conviction is if two-thirds of the senators, which means a significant number of republicans, vote to convict. and right now their base thinks this investigation is entirely illegitimate and part of the reason is because rudy giuliani and donald trump say so every day, and their amen corner in t

donald trump seems to goad robert mueller. we used to talk why is he not mentioning robert mueller? mueller continues detail, detail. mcgahn, 30 hours. plea deals. drives donald trump batty. >> stick around. more news to follow. sources telling cnn the president is rattled by new reports that the white house counsel don mcgahn provided more than 30 hours of testimony to the special counsel's investigators. >>> plus, a verdict in the trial of president trump's campaign chairman paul manafort could come any minute. stand by. you're in "the situation room." [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before... [telephone ring] like my father before... ahoy-hoy! as long as people talk too loudly on the phone, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. what's critical thinking like? a basketball costs $14. what's team spirit worth? (cheers) what's it worth to talk to your mom? what's the value of a walk in the woods? the value of c

but mueller knows that. mueller knows that rudy is playing games. mueller knows that rudy is trying to stall. mueller knows that rudy is trying to stall long enough to get kavanaugh confirmed. so we don't know and mueller is not telling what he plalans to o in response. one of the things that was newsworthy and less yesterday is he extended the cooperation, the continuation of michael flynn's sentencing, but only until september 17 -- which are shorter than any of the other extensions, continuations. so that suggests mueller has got some things up his sleeve in the next 24 days. and i would not be so surprised to expect some major moves from mueller while rudy is on tv kind of playing with the press and uttering nonsense. we don't know what is going to happen. i am sure mueller recognizes the risk of the stall games that rudy and trump are trying to play. i guess we just wait to see how mueller is going to respond to that. amy: before we end, i would ask about your personal connection to the mueller probe. last month you wrote -- "sometime last euro

i don't think mueller needs it. i would just go ahead without it. >> robert, this is out of balance like all the passengers on a plane moving to one side, all we hear is the rudy giuliani/trump's side. mueller never speaks. he thinks they're waiting to see if guilty or innocent, is that real? >> it is real to a point but i think the previous point about how mueller could issue a report any moment in my conversation tonight with mayor rudy giuliani, that stood out because he acknowledged bluntly that is a possibility that mueller could decide enough of the games between the trump team and mueller and all this back and forth and the letters sending of the interview, the longer mueller holds off on a letter back to the trump's legal team, the more it becomes a possibility. rudy giuliani says this is a possibility. mueller drops the report on an update of the investigation and gives it to the department of justice and rosenstein say it is your decision on how you want top handle this or you want to upgrade congress and

mueller is highly conflicted. i could go into conflict after conflict. >> i think that the mueller investigation has been totally discredited. >> so on twitter he's been doing quite the same thing, and his typical monicker for the mueller investigation is bob mueller and his angry group of democratic thugs. >> i think there's one factual question here. in fact, i would say it was a mistake. the fox poll that now has mueller's approval rating at 59%, a month ago his approval rating was 48%. >> it is up 11%. >> it has gone up 11% in the last month. that's hardly evidence he's being seriously discredited in recent days. >> right. listen, follow the numbers there. and rudy guilliani told my colleague dana bash that the team has not heard from mueller investigators in nearly three weeks. in his view mueller's office is still studying the letter from team trump. i wonder has mueller concluded the president and his lawyer have no genuine intention of sitting down with the special counsel? >> i think there's a couple of t

robert mueller might do. quote, "law enforcement officials who have worked with mr. mueller a long time federal prosecutor and the head of the fbi believe that he will try to use every tool he has to get the president to answer questions and that he will probably subpoena him to testify if he does not agree to be questioned voluntarily." okay. that's one possibility. and trump lawyers offered "the new york times" another very credible possibility this time, saying some of mr. trump's lawyers believe that mr. mueller will not subpoena their client out of fear of losing a court fight that could undermine the investigation's legitimacy to the public. and so robert mueller is approaching a very difficult decision point, probably the most difficult decision point that he will face in his investigation of the president of the united states. and now to answer the question of what robert mueller will do, what robert mueller should do, we are now joined by jill wine-banks and glen kersner. thank you for being here 44

mueller launched this investigation. this is proceeding on a very broad front with multiple threats. >> and we won't know until he comes up with his final report. bruce ohr, a justice official who happens to be an expert on organized crime. now, one pattern the president follows in his attacks is often going after people who might be a witness against him. james comey was in the room when the president asked him to go lightly on michael flynn, for instance. with bruce ohr, do you see him potentially being in this pattern, the motivation for attacking him is to undermine his credibility? >> absolutely. and i don't know mr. ohr, but in anticipation of our conversation tonight, i kind of sent a note out to folks i know who might know him, and the description i got back of him was competent, thorough and honest, which is frankly about everybody i've ever met in the department of justice. what you've got is the president, in essence, attacking anyone who is affiliated with the investigation either under director mueller or th

it's up to mueller. and the big gamble here is the lawyers believe that mueller will in the end -- he doesn't want to drag this out. >> it's a game of chicken. >> dare, whatever you want to call it. we don't know what mueller is thinking. >> this whole obstruction of justice, there are other issues, whether there is financial fraud and collusion. we know obstruction appears to be the main point of contention at this time. jim comey, here is what trump said to lester holt. he has said why he fired comey. here is one of his reasons. >> regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. in fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. >> so he has answered the question and said regardless of recommendation and other times he said it is the recommendation of rod rosenstein. saying asking the question of why did you fir

well, if you want to talk to bob mueller, talk to bob mueller. and if you have nothing to hide, then hide nothing. but this has been going on and on and on, nicolle, to the point it seems pretty clear to me that if mueller wants to hear from the president, it's going to have to be pursuant to a subpoena under oath and in a grand jury. now, of course, there is another question, which is would he be permit today do that. would the deputy attorney general who is overseeing this investigation permit that. my guess is that he would. i hope they do. the mueller team, the investigators and the prosecutors, are entitled to all the lawful evidence they can acquire. >> and, paul butler, rod rosenstein has shown himself and deputy, on the side of the facts here. they have showcased, i guess, the indictments when mueller has had indictments. rod rosenstein did that last press conference with some very, very, thinly veiled swipes at the circus atmosphere among the president's allies in congress. the attacks on the probe and whatnot. i wonder if you agree with

they call mueller a prosecutorial asinsassin. but after helsenke they concerned about the conspiracy charge that he may be vulnerable there, too. today they're looking at the news and the people closest to the president said he could be in a lot of trouble. i think we're talking about the republicans at the beginning. that is what will begin to sort of, i think, begin to dismantle this. it's mind blowing to people from the outside or people that worked in republican politics before. there was never a question whether bush or cheney obstructed justice. donald trump is the target of these investigation the. he's been held up by the ridiculous fear grip that republicans feel from him. but i think will look back today may be the day that people start to wonder if he isn't in more trouble than we understand. >> mike schmidt, our friend chuck will tell you that mueller prefers meetings standing up in his office because it keeps your energy up and it's more efficient. ironically asks coworkers and associates every day what they have don

the person in the driver seat is robert mueller. it is not donald trump and it isn't rudy giuliani who keeps changing his story to try to spin his way out of this. >> clearly the president is deeply concerned about what is going on. he would like to know what mueller has, as well. >>> let's turn to another sensitive issue, devon nunes told republican donors that the republicans have to keep the majority in the house of representatives in order to protect the president from mueller. listen to this. we have to keep all of these seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority all of this goes away. >> did he just say out loud something that members of congress are not supposed to say? >> yeah. absolutely. look, he went into that fundraiser for a political reason which is okay, completely legal. and he is making a political argument. also okay in the broad sense. but the fact of the matter is devon nunes, the argument he is making is members of congress don't work for the constituents that sent them. they work to pro

mueller cannot indict the president. he alleges that mueller has told them that. this will only play out. the only possible consequences for trump would be in congress in an impeachment setting. this is not -- to them, it's not a normal criminal case a normal criminal defense attorney would not be out there playing these kinds of games, these -- giuliani knows his clients. he believes this, if it's true, mueller's never said this publicly. that he cannot be indicted. so that is a huge ace that they hold, knowing that mueller can never indict the president. knowing that the only forum is going to be congress and impeachment. so they can turn this into a completely political battle. >> did it escape any of you that the president's attorney has a radio show? >> and he invited his other private attorney to be on. you discussed the conversations you probably had with your client it's not that you can't ever indict a president period it's a sitting president. the idea you could cause there to be an indictment is key here. i think robert muler is keenly aware of that par

and you have mueller dealing with facts. there is overwhelming evidence that they see for themselves, indictments. plea deals. and they know that is not a witch hunt. >> sarah, there is a poll from abc news and "washington post" speaks to car even's point that support for robert mueller and his investigation is rising, growing as the president has amped up his attacks on the special counsel. you cover this white house. you've covered this white house for some time. do numbers like that concern the white house, or compel -- compel them to change strategy? i'm guessing the answer is no. >> well i think it has to be a little bit concerning because it is sort of a double blow. we saw the president's favor ability numbers slip at the same time we saw the numbers saying most people most americans believe that the mueller probe is legitimate and should continue. the numbers are very split on party lines. republicans for the most part are not buying the mueller probe whereas democrats are and independents for the most part. the majo

we're learning more about the trump-mueller relationship. the day after he interviewed robert mueller to be the director of the fbi, trump was in an oval office meeting when an aid announced that mueller had been appointed the special counsel to investigate the trump campaign. trump and attorney general jeff session, who attended both meetings were blind sided according to a person familiar with both meetings. the president immediately blasted sessions for not knowing the announcement was coming and challenged how the person he just interviewed for the fbi job and who trump had said he had a past dispute with over golf club fees could now be investigating him, the person said. now, we don't know if trump had turned down mueller for the fbi job at this point. but we do know that christopher wrey wasn't named until a month after. maybe he was in running when he was named to investigate the trump team. from that moment on, trump has complained to aids and a perceived grudge. of course that grudge has likely been exacerbated after the first week

mueller, please call us. i got ask on morning joe, why not just go to mueller. didn't really get a straight answer on that. >> they have phones. heilman? >> there is no one i've paid attention to more than emily jane fox. she's inside mueller's head than any reporter. one of the things you've read, nothing about yesterday, as shocking as it was, is surprising. she said at the very top of the show. michael cohen is throwing donald trump under the bus. that's a colloquial way of putting it. if you read the art of the story, he came to understand as we saw yesterday, if he did not make some kind of deal, he could be in jail 40 years, right? he's not going to go to jail for 40 years for donald trump. that sentence might be five years if he works out, this cooperation agreement gets settled, bob mueller eventually walks in in december when the sentencing come up, he's been helpful to us, i'd like to recommend he has probation in six months. that is the game for him. how do i play this game out -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> so i don't have to go to jail at all. >> it's n

mueller? that's the million dollar question right now. as we said earlier, "the new york times" reported over the weekend that white house counsel don mcgahn cooperated extensively with the mueller probe, giving 30 hours of testimony over almost nine months. president trump says that he allowed mcgahn to testify and has nothing to hide, but the white house does not know what mcgahn said to mueller. here's rudy giuliani yesterday on "meet the press." >> we have a good sense, obviously, of what mr. mcgahn testified to. i can figure it out. >> so you don't know what mr. in began -- you don't know 100% of what he testified to to mr. mueller? >> i think that through -- through john dowd we have a pretty good sense of it. >> the testimony could be a bonanza for mueller's team. sol wisenberg told "the new york times" a prosecutor would kill for that. it would be like having the keys to the kingdom. sol joins me now. good to have you. you say it's like having the keys to the kingdom. what do you mean

he wouldn't be, and mueller is not playing by the rules and mueller is political. so them putting the trump team establishing september 1st as this kind of line in the sand, it's really just a public relations move because anything that he makes -- any move mueller makes after that they can point back to the line and he can say he crossed the line. >>> roger stone is out there and he's talking about the investigation and who knows what his goal is here. maybe it's to potentially get some of the heat off himself, but he's claiming that he's got excellent sources that the special counsel is going to charge don junior in a crime. do you have any indication that don junior might be in legal trouble imminently? >> that's obviously not anything we've reported. roger stone, i guess, has good sources in the fbi it seems. but i would say that we know that donald trump jr., his conduct is under scrutiny by the fbi and by the special counsel's office. we know that members of congress have raised questions about whether he was truthful in his testimony before congress, and if

now todd the president reacted to mueller's ongoing witch -- now today, the president reacted to mueller's ongoing witch hunt. take a look. >> president trump: i feel badly for him. manafort is a good man. with ronald reagan. with a lot of people over the years. i feel sad about that. it doesn't involve me but i still feel, you know, it's a very sad thing that happened. it has nothing to do with russian collusion. this started as russian collusion. this has absolutely nothing to do. this is a witch hunt and it's addition -- disgration. -- this is a disgrace. this is just the way it ends up. it was not the original mission. believe me. it was something very much different. so it had nothing to do with the russian collusion. we continue the witch hunt. >> sean: hang on. i'm looking for russians. oh. tonight, this is not funny. because these are real people's lives, real families. this is way beyond what this mandate was. and every american that cares about the constitution or the republic, the equal law, equal applications of the laws you better be concerned tonight. the west virginia the pr