we have the fbi and doj colluding to leak phony russian lies to damage the president, the same doj that hired mueller and h the same mueller team, or, steele. >> these are some of the most important text messages to come out yet. what they show is that the doj and fbi were working hand in hand together to leak information on a counter intelligence investigation. >> sean: ongoing investigation. >> that'sti right. in an ongoing investigation on carter paige, a foreign intelligence surveillance warrant. this is, and greg can explain this more clearly, i was speaking to intelligence officials about this. they said this is absolutely prosecutable. you do not talk, confirm, leak to the press anything about a counter intelligence investigation. i think this is going to be very important moving forward and i think this is a main reason why the president needs to declassify the rest of the documents o that you just spoke about, the fisa documents as well as the bruce orr 302s. >> sean: and still strzok and paige communications that haven't beene released. this isha brand new. how did we not see

fbi and doj, doj running the investigation, colluding to leak what whee now know to be lies -- we know to be lies to hurt the president. the same doj, hired mueller and steele is feeding information through bruce ohr to mueller vis-a-vis wise man. >> the definition of corruption. if there was ever any doubt that comey's fbi and owe bam's a department of justice were engaged in an illicit and illegal scheme to frame donald trump this should erase any doubt. they are bragging about it in their text messages. they were using deliberately knowingly, waflly, false information that they were pedestrian peddling to the washington -- peddling to the "washington post." they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. then bragging about it. >> sean: when you get ohr and mccabe and page and strzok and steele and then you look at they don't want to be exposed, steele didn't want to be exposed, the fire walls, leaking to the special counsel, i'm thinking we know what the insurance policy is. these are the five hating -- the trump haters. >> the insurance policy in the event that hillary clinton lost the e

peter provides a wonderful bridge between the aclu and the doj because he has done superb work for both institutions. afterked at the aclu graduating from new york law school. beenjoint connection has the case for many other terrific lawyers who have been on the aclu staff and then moved to the doj, or sometimes vice versa. that illustrates an important motive that is going to run through my remarks today. as it runs through all of my writing and speaking. that is this. strongspite very disagreements among all of us, opinionated, engaged people in this country, we are all united by our core national ideals. we certainly have never achieved them in reality. but which we are all driving to achieve. justice forrty, and all. day, let metitution quote justice william brennan. him whaturnalist asked he hoped to achieve on the supreme court, brennan gave an answer that all of us can echo. i'm confident that we all share this goal, despite some deep disagreements about how to reach the goal. namely, to make the words of the pagestution leap off the and into people's lives. to address this impor

how would the doj measure up? sec lookingoj and into this is definitely different because one is civil and one is colonel. that's why use -- and one is criminal. that is why you see the reaction. we are still in the early innings. we don't know how far the doj will go. dereferenced tesla's statement confirming -- you referenced tesla's statement confirming the bloomberg reporting. they are asking for voluntary information as opposed to subpoenaed. ofnda: we know the standards -- the evidentiary standards are different. this doesn't necessarily mean there won't be an sec case to follow, right? it will be more slow-moving? greg: right it is -- craig: right. it is the case with both of these agencies that it takes time. tight teen has done a great job of covering that aspect of this. onh the sec does poke around an incident like this, it is not uncommon for this to be a year-long process. it may be some time before we get real answers. but this is an incremental negative for the company. shery: are they just looking

what do you hear from the doj? >> this meeting with seven people boils down to a battle between rob rosenstein and andy mccaig. same anti-medicaid facing prosecution for lying to the fbi while he was the deputy director of the fbi. he didn't think they were investigating the president enough after the present fire james comey. rosenstein didn't like that. they went back and forth and rosenstein said something incredulously like, do you want me to wear an "expletive" wire, then said, yeah, i'm serious. multiple people in the room remember it happening. a different source in the room said, i remember this meeting and remember the wire comments. the statement was sarcastic and never discussed with any intention of recording a conversation with the president. bret? >> bret: people in the room, there are seven of them. including anti-mccain aide, lisa page, do any of them remember the 25th amendment talk? >> not according to a senior doj official according to lisa page who was there and had more detail, but it was in a

with that said, i don't know at this hour who to trust in the fbi or the doj, the rank and file. i trust them. the people that do their jobs in the field every day. those that are upset about this, the most corrupt massive abuse of power in this country's history, i believe in them. they are as upset, rightly so, as what we all are. meanwhile, this story is now shining a new light on the president's decision monday to declassify fisa documents, 302s, other important information related to the fbi, doj handling of this so-called russia objective probe. today, the president tweeted out, i met with the doj concerning the declassification of various unredacted documents. they agreed to release them but stated in so doing, they have received negligeative impact on russia probe. what allies and what countries? they called to ask not to release them. the inspector general has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis. i believe he will move quickly on this and other things which he is looking at, meaning fisa. in the end, i can still always declassify it if it proofs ne

fresh attacks on the doj leadership, maybe giving everything they've got. the nyt report focuses on a few comments made in a meeting that were either sar cattic jokes or never acted on. and know how odd it is that conversations from a year ago, would be leaking out right now. at the boiling point of the cooperation in this russia probe. and i want you to know what else we're learning, the top senate democrat is warning against this entire story -- against using these leaks as a pretext for donald trump to do what he's wanted to do for a long time, by kneecapping the mueller probe by firing rod rosenstein. let me show you exactly what the new york times is reporting. rosenstein secretly suggested recording trump and mentioned the 25th amendment. a key question at the time was whether donald trump fired james comey to stop the russia probe. the article reports that rosenstein got into the mechanics of it many white house officials never checked his phone when he arrived for those meetings. and then the passage that is certainly most shocking. he might get jef

we do know the doj. we do know that then dni. we know the cia. all had media leak strategy all related to destroying donald trump before the election, after the elections. and not only that, with all due respect, i guess have you got to do business with the guy. i don't. but when we look at the messages from steel bruce ohr his wife worked for fusion gps. christopher steel put all the russian lies together paid for by hillary. talking about praying he doesn't get beings posed. also talking about fire walls holdings. strzok and page talk about insurance policy. but then steel tells ohr asking ohr did you get the information we now know are fabricated lies from russia did you get them into the. >> tell you if there is the same relentless pursuit of these people as they have done to president trump, you're going to find very quickly already admitted evidence of serious crimes and a major conspiracy to first stop him from being president where there would be an impeachment. my head hangs in shame gave 16 years of my life to the department of justice

with that said, i don't know at this hour who to trust in the fbi or the doj, the rank and file. i trust them. the people that do their jobs in the field every day. those that are upset about this, the most corrupt massive abuse of power in this country's history, i believe in them. they are as upset, rightly so, as what we all are. meanwhile, this story is now shining a new light on the president's decision monday to declassify fisa documents, 302s, other important information related to the fbi, doj handling of this so-called russia objective probe. today, the president tweeted out, i met with the doj concerning the declassification of various unredacted documents. they agreed to release them but stated in so doing, they have received negligeative impact on russia probe. what allies and what countries? they called to ask not to release them. the inspector general has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis. i believe he will move quickly on this and other things which he is looking at, meaning fisa. in the end, i can still always declassify it if it proofs ne

liz: trump's doj? >> we should point out -- liz: i would never want to throw charlie. >> gave a major speech today on mergers, he said the deals they approve and those are the deals that don't fall afoul of the trump doj merger antitrust conditions, i will get two into that in a bit would be approved pretty fast. the ones they don't like and those are generally the ones where you merge massive amount of distribution with massive amount of content like comcast and nbc, like at&t-time warner, those are the ones that are going get the proctology examines by the doj. he didn't esm my -- explicit i will say that in the speech. i talked to some people in trump -- in the doj, he mentioned something about civil investigative demands. that's the way that the doj antitrust investigates even current mergers, basically said they are going ramp those up. why is that bad for at&t and time warner why is that bad for comcast? we know inside the doj antitrust, they are ready to issue those civil demands if they think c

media leak strategy with the doj before you go. fbi and doj colluding. and then two days later onbe april 12th strzok warned lisa page that the articles were coming out about her namesake, carter page and then on april 22nd we originally believed this was on april 12th, metal's office corrected that earlier today -- same point. peter strzok told lisa page article is out, well done. this is what we have now been telling you what is a coordinated effort, the highest levels of the fbi and the doj leaking into trump information before the election, after the election, to the press first to stop them from becoming president and then to destroyy his presidency. sneaky peter strzok is not trying to actually put out his own conniving spin on this fresh new scandal.s his attorney says the term media leak strategy in his text refers to a departmentwide initiative to detect and stop leaks to the media. the president and his enablers are once againin peddling unfounded conspiracy theories to mislead the american people. but our words sound exactly alike. we are goin

what they have here is an informal request from the doj for documents. the department often asks people for documents as prelude to an investigation or to perhaps take a quick look and decide what they want to do. when what have i seen -- from what i have seen, they did what they need to. romaine: how common is it for the doj to overlap with the sec investigations early? thomas: very typically the department of justice will take a look at something paralleling the sec. sometimes they will let them go forward and develop the case first and take a look later. sometimes they will start at roughly the same time. first andsec started reportedly gathered documents and interviewed people. my understanding is that the doj did not make their request until about one month ago. they followed a little bit behind but not much. joe: theoretically, what would be the bar for something that would cause the doj to ramp up the investigation or bring charges down the road? what would be the kind of thing they would have to discover looking into the company? thomas: what we'

more corruption surrounding bruce ohr telling lawmakers earlier this week that he kept his doj colleague andrew weissmann in the loop with regards to the anti-trump dossier. this is the same andrew weissmann who is part of the witch hunt itself. gregg jarrett, and sidney powell join us. also the trade discussions between the u.s. and canada ending without a deal this week. but both sides will be back at the table next week wednesday. the president says either way it's all about america first. >> if we don't make a deal with canada, that's just fine. i say affectionately, we'll just have to tariff those cars. that's a lot of money coming into the coffers of the united states. david: political savant, ed rollins, and a major hollywood movie on the life of neil a strong omits the first man on the moon planting an american flag on the lunar surface. we'll discuss this and a lot more with vince co coliging nie. catherine herridge has the details. catherine: justice department bruce ohr kept andrew weissmann in the loop on the anti-trump dossier. earlier this week sources say ohr told investig

it's kind of like girls gone wild at the doj. there doesn't seem to be anyone at the justice department who cares about this. judge jeanine: what is the legal significance of this with ohr back channeling and bringing this information to the departments of justice. gregg: andrew weissmann was a participant in the russian hoax using a false document, the dossier, to cry to incriminate and frame donald trump for things he didn't do. weissmann, according to bruce ohr knew that christopher steele come posed it, was discredited as a liar, and the document itself was not credible. this was like a detective who frames the suspect then appoints himself to investigate suspect over the crime for which he has been framed. judge jeanine: he gets the real prosecutor out of the way and says you are conflicted. gregg: whatever robert mueller couples with should never be believed. it's like the exclusionary rule. tainted illegally obtained evidence should be exclude. judge jeanine: this all fruit of poisonous tree. everybody knew hillary paid fo

as a doj lawyer, rosenstein would know it would take more than cabinet members. you need a super majority in congress. but the republicans are in charge there. now this story is contested by the people involved. there's no doubt about one thing and why it's such a big story tonight. this now lives in the white us hot center of the controversy over what trump is going to do about a russia probe that's heading for the white house. donald trump's son is seize iinn the report saying it proves that doj's top guys will do anything that their power to undermine trump. the man you see there who now runs white house communications for trump is preparing a media plan to, quote, build public support for trump to fire rosenstein. and here is a new call from laura ingram calling for trump to do that. let's get to our experts now that we have laid out the story. kim, i begin with you. when you read "the new york times" version second happened of these things said by rosenstein, do they sound to you like things he wanted to actively do to run a wiretap and remove the president

it sounds like the cia, fbi, doj, and the director of national intelligence under obama. according to what we just saw, many actively working against president and against the candidate. we are just supposed to believe them that there's no political bias and their bias doesn'te impact any ofup google's products? they literally held a funeral for our country at a company-wide meeting the day after donald trump won. we will have more on that developing story throughout the hour, butaf first, the countdon continues. it's all inde your hands. it's where you, we the people, have all the power. in 55 days, the trump agenda will move full steam ahead or it will stop dead in its tracks. you get to decide. some of these races will literally be decided by just a handful of votes.e. let's take a look. >> i will just list you a a buh of races that are dead even. arizona, nevada, tennessee, montana, north dakota, missouri, indiana, west virginia, and florida. all of them too close to call and every one of them like a knife fight in an alley. just overall in every one of those places.

lou: right. >> it is now that the doj and fbi are coming back saying, mr. president, we know you know what's in there, we'd like to not discloses that. that's where we are now. lou: and where we are right now, we are sitting now at that very -- the tipping point, the incipient point of what will either be revelation and openness and franc transparencyd honoring the public's right to know in this great republic or we'll be frustrated again. and that's what makes me so angry when i think of the deputy justice leaders, the intelligence community under president obama, the fbi, i mean mean, this is ru pull nant pug t corruption. >> and up with of the best parts of what's going to happen as a result of this, it's going to be shown that john brennon and james clapper were -- they were the point of the arrow on disclosing information that they knew was false that would tarnish carter page who is going to be a very rich man when this is over, and to tarnish the sitting president of the united states. brennon and clapper betrayed this country, betrayed their oath of

prompt number one was the bruce ohr doj channel, to flush the dossier information to the doj. the second prong was using media sources to feed that information to to then feed that information back into the court system to make it appear that it had come up in multiple sources. it is very sophisticated, but very devious at the same time. >> sean: and you work for the secret service, you respect law enforcement as much as i do, i know mark penn does as well, and it seems to be elaborate, sophisticated, using the powerful tools of intelligence, and the most powerful people in the country in many ways, and they got caught. where does this end? >> these recent texts show that there is no question that the massive leaking of top-secret, confidential, fisa court warrant was being given out to the press on a routine basis that they were holding cheering squad four. >> sean: i think it is worse than that. the information they use to obtain the fisa warns, no offense, you work for clinton, bought and paid for russian lies that they disseminated the american people, altering an election

we know that anytime the doj asks questions, things have gotten serious. do thesew investigations play out? what are the outcomes we can expect? tom: it depends on how far the investigation goes. for the dojcommon to run a parallel investigation to the sec. the doj would look at whether any criminal fraud laws were broken which would require some criminal or intent to deceive investors. a lot of times these things can take several months to play out. if anything is found, you get into the next stage of, what evidence is there, who knew what , potential fines for the company. if there was anything found. one issue is how broad this investigation could go. tesla said today they have received queries from the justice department and were hoping they could answer all of their questions, and that this will go away. yet, we have seen in the past month the chief accountant for tesla abruptly resigned. that is not just something the sec will be asking about but the doj would want to know the story. emily: a number of departures from tesla. max, do you think this ne

on the day the text was sent, they went and met with the doj. the very next day, they publish a story about the exclusive story saying that carter page is being investigated by the fbi and the fbi undertaken if i is a warrant out on him. this this is not just that carter page. they are utilizing carter page to go after president trump in the administration and this is really serious evidence of malfeasance. this will be investigated. lou: it's going to be investigated, but mailer and, but may lord we watched two years of investigation. we watched it in congress. we watched the investigation of the fbi and the president. we watch the special counsel. we have seen more evidence of political corruption on the special counsel, the fbi, department of justice and not one scintilla of evidence is president. it is just mind-boggling to see this thing persists. >> it's astonishing. it is actually astonishing, lou. after two years of working on these stories, we've seen this dossier that the use to go after carter page and they withheld exculpatory eviden

it was false testimony, given to a doj person. we've got to make sure there is one standard for everybody, and i can tell you that rod rosenstein is not implementing that, and it's time that we hold him accountable. >> laura: congressman, real quick, why is it that the president decided to go back on his decision to declassify those documents and kick it over to the ig? i still don't understand that. i understand rosenstein was the one who brought the message to him. the president a seated to his wishes. why? >> i think the president is trying to be cautious to make sure that sources and methods are not out there. i can tell you, i talked to the ig today, the bruce ohr 302s, there is no reason -- >> laura: does have to be released. >> two people that were there, they don't have security clearances, bruce ohr wasn't officially on the russia investigation, so why not declassify them? >> laura: but the sunshine and prayed congressman, thank you so much. here with reacted, senior fellow at the hoover institution. victor david hanson.

given news we have that the doj is looking to convene a meeting, what do you think? >> well, i am sort of never shocked at d.c. snatching from the jaws of victory. the most elegant way to do this, be pro-competition, not pro-government with regulation antitrust in my view has never not worked it would be great for the economy. and then they say but we also need to look at how they are stifling free speech that's wrong that's a plain dumb argument the focus will be there. and it will mess up the whole thing. if they were going right after anti-competitive monopolistic behavior, i think they would have a shot. instead, everyone will be focused on a partisan, ill informed, nondata supported issue around whether conservative voices are being restricted on social media which just isn't true. i think it will create a side show and the doj efforts will probably fall flat that's my fear. >> your thoughts on this, given the testimony on the hill yesterday and the upcoming meeting from doj do you think regulation is coming for the companies and what do you think it needs to lo

the doj. i wonder if the government will come in and say, the federal government, the trump doj, we don't want you getting bigger even with the purchase of sky. i just wonder if they could prevent that. lauren: then you are dealing with a different regulator also, overseas. >> you are dealing with two regulators. here's the real thing. people aren't taking that into account when looking at the comcast bid for fox assets overseas. if they get those assets, obviously sky, which is a fox asset overseas because we own 39%, we are trying to accumulate it, give it to disney. if the government really doesn't want comcast to get bigger, which i know they don't, if they are using the at & t template to prevent comcast from getting bigger, will they allow comcast to buy sky? no one's really answered this question. lauren: what is fox's position here? bid up the price as much as we can? >> i think our position is to try to get the deal. if we don't bid up the price and put as maximum pain on comcast as p

with that said, i don't know at this hour who to trust in the fbi or the doj, the rank and file. the people that do their job in the field offices every day, i trust in them. those that are upset about this, the most corrupt abuse of power in this country's history, i believe in them. they are as upset, rightly so, as we now are. the president's decision, monday, do declassified documents, 302s, late into the fbi-doj handling of the so-called russia probe. today, the president tweeted ou out, concerning the declassification of documents, they release them, but so doing, they have negative impact on the russia probe. key allies, what allies, what countries? they a called to not release th, and therefore the inspector general has been invited to review these on a case-by-case basis. in the end, i can still declassify it if it moves necessary. speed is very important to me and toat everyone. other allies, there has been a lot of chatter. we have allied countries? fourth amendment protection against unreasonable search ani seizure, against using wiretapping against american citizens?

now, as you know the doj follows very detailed rules on getting warrants for surveillance. is your reporting that rosenstein was considering illegal surveillance or trying to get a warrant to do the wire or that it never got that far? >> well, i don't think it got to the point of legal review on what to do with this. this was not a wire in the sense of tapping the president's phone or installing a listening device. it would be a recording as if, you know, you sat down and we had coffee and i recorded it. washington, d.c. is a one-party consent so you know, anyone can basically record any type of one-on-one conversation with them. obviously taking such a move with the president would have been extraordinary. this is something the justice department uses in drug cases or gang cases and to go back to the -- >> you mentioned the one-party consent law. michael, as law enforcement they wouldn't go near wiretapping someone in the executive branch without more. >> yeah. look, this, as we point out in the story, never moved to the point where they did a legal review to make a decisi

the tweet ended you have got corruption at the doj and fbi, the leadership of the doj and fbi are completely out to lunch in terms of exposing and holding those accountable responsible for the corruption. after several weeks of blasting his attorney general and raising speculation he may be fired on thursday the president said sessions won't be fired before the midterm elections but a few hours later at a campaign rally the president once again took aim at the agencies that sessions oversees. >> our justice department and our fbi have to start doing their job and doing it right and doing it now. but at some point, if it doesn't straighten out properly, i want them to do their job, i will get involved, and i will get in there, if i have to. >> the president has also grown increasingly frustrated over continued employment of justice department official bruce ohr. during a closed-door deposition this week on capitol hill, two sources with direct knowledge tell fox news or told investigators at least half a dozen fbi and doj officials knew about his back channel contacts with christopher steele,

we'll see what happens, see if this ends with him going back to doj. but according to a senior administration official saying a while ago that is the least likely outcome this official says. now one other piece of information here. we're told now that rod -- we know that rosenstein had a couple of conversations after the "new york times" story broke friday, the times story that said he had suggested in a meeting or meetings that somebody wear a wire, recording device in meetings with the president about who the new fbi director should be and he suggested invoking the 25th amendment to declare the president unfit for office. he issued a statement denying it and he issued ed a statement la tritt from rosenstein. now we're told that the white house did talk to rosenstein, whether it was kelly or some other senior official and the possibility of his departure was discussed. that much we know. who brought it up, who said under what circumstances should he be leaving, we don't know. but obviously rosenstein wasn't surprised, it would appear, by being summone

i have to believe that doj based upon my experience, doj is likely simply ignoring the comments by the president. it will be interesting to see if the president continues to talk about a doj investigation and i guess what will be more interesting is to see whether or not general kelly or don mcgahn or someone else from the white house actually calls over to doj and asks for an investigation. i have to believe at this point doj is simply ignoring it. >> you prefaced it by saying on the face of it, so you're saying potentially there could be an area? >> well, i just don't see it. i've read it every which way and i can't imagine how doj might see any evidence of a crime there. no, i can't believe this will actually ever turn into an actual criminal investigation. >> okay, so it is clear, however, that, you know, the hunt for this writer is all consuming for the white house and this is how senator lindsey graham put it. >> i've talked to him a bunch, yes, absolutely. well, he's pissed off. he feels betrayed. i don't blame him. >> so feeling betrayed, he doesn't necessarily blame him, you k

you look at the doj and bruce ohr. how did the dossier become the impetus for two wiretaps in the campaign? this administration does things right, president obama's administration used the political apparatus is target individuals. >> i think i speak for most americans listening to obama's speech in saying finally, welcome back, mr. president. many people have been waiting to hear where this president is and how he's going to get involved in the midterm elections. look at the things he said. we need to restore honor and compassion to our politics. for democracy to work, people need to understand that people are different and you have to listen to them. these are things president trump has certainly been challenged with and i think this speech is really going to remind people of the country they've been sorely missing. >> harris: the words dripping from a dialogue bubble in what you just said, in the context of being a former president, i guess we could pull out the poles and approvals and all of that but for the purpos

emily: what could the doj actually do here? >> again, there are legitimate potential legal issues for these companies, particularly around issues like antitrust. we do here antitrust concerns about companies like facebook and amazon on both the left and right side of the political spectrum, and that has been this interesting convergence of two sides that do not normally agree. if you are a tech company, that should be the focus of concern, but any topic of interest for the doj, even if it does not ultimately lead to a legal crackdown, it causes political headaches for these tech companies, and they are already onhting political wars multiple fronts at multiple agencies at multiple state levels. those will some of start to bite. emily: what is your read on the hearings yesterday? the thought is that what is happening now could lead to potential legislation, but certainly not for a long time. do you think that this will lead in the tangible changes way that some tech companies are regulated, or do you think this s just noise? >>

we respect is doj's desire to get information about this and believe that the matter should be quickly resolved as they review the information they have received take a look. it came under pressure starting about two hours ago once the first reports came out that the doj might be launching or conducting a criminal probe the sec, remember, is running its own investigation into the take private tweet that musk sent out and all of the factors surrounding it as of right now tesla continues to grapple with this tweet that musk sent out in early august and there's no indication that we'll see these investigations wrap up any time soon. we all know the doj goes at its own pace whether or not it will wrap up is entirely up to investigators. >> the stock down almost 4%. thanks very much we'll check back in with you later. we are asking what implications it could have forinvestors. >> they know had they not complied they could have gotten one the next day there's no reason to disbelieve their disclosure because of significant penalties. when they say it was focused on the tweet and funding secur

chairman, and that is get your update on where you are in your investigation into the fbi, the doj, and its handling of the two investigations trump russia and the hillary clinton investigation. there's been a call from your colleague for the president to declassify documents related to the trump russia investigation. you've been asking the president to do just that. you also have depositions of important interviews that you've done. will you declassify all of those interviews? >> yes, maria. so the american people now are beginning to see the walls are beginning to close in on the corrupt officials at the department of justice and the fbi. many of them have been fired many of them are on leave many of them have been demoted but you are slowly starting to see this collapse in on them even though the mainstream media is not covering this because they seem so focused on drinking the russian koolaid on terms of whose getting indicted by the special counsel and instead focus on look was there any collusion between the trump campaign and russia which the anticipates is no, so we've known thi

nothing is being done at doj or fbi. but the world is watching and they get it completely.