i talked to kellyanne. >> a lot of them are afraid to talk. and they are busy, and i am busy. >> senator graham mentioned it quickly on one meeting. that is true. well that, that is true. mentioned it quickly. not like you know, and i would certainly have thought like maybe you would have called the office. i am speak to kellyanne, in fact she just walked in. i am speaking to bob woodward. why didn't you tell me? i would have very happy to speak to him. so i have another bad book coming out. well, other than lindsey who quickly mentioned it. nobody told me about it. why don't you speak to kellyanne ask her. >> hi, bob, how are you? >> remember, two and a half months ago, i came over and i said i wanted to talk to the president. >> i did. and i put in the request. and it was rejected. so i did, i presented it the people here who make those decisions. but anyway, i will give you back to the president. and i am glad to hear that you tried seven or eight people, you should tell him all the names, thank you. >> but you never called for me. i have a

let's run a little bit from kellyanne conway. a remarkable moment i was not expecting just minutes ago. >> i feel very empathetic, frankly, for victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment and rape. that -- i'm a victim of sexual assault. i don't expect judge kavanaugh or jake tapper or jeff flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. you have to be responsible for your own conduct. >> what was your reaction when you heard that? >> the assault part, you know, touched -- this whole situation has triggered lots of emotions and people are bubbling up. just a mallstrom of emotion. i'm not sure what she meant about people need to be responsible for their own actions. in a lot of ways victims of sexual assault and rape, you can't say that that person is responsible for that happening. i'm not saying that's what she was trying to say but right after that -- and being able to reveal that just like that, she probably wasn't planning to reveal that and immediately went to the next. i do agree with the governor, this is a watershed

kellyanne brought up great points about what happened. some vics a some victims are listened to and some are not. we have to stop that in this debris. especially if you're poor or of color. in my hometown of cleveland you have poor, black women, some drug addicted, kept in this man's house, even when they went to the police they didn't believe them. why in because of their status in this country. we have work to do beyond what's happening in this kavanaugh hearing. >> and i think she meant the perpetrator is responsible for their behavior and other men aren't. >> and thnot to put that -- >> and not to put that on everyone else. it seems they're both credible and they both believe what they believe. it's possible dr. ford remembers wrong. it's also possible that brett kavanaugh remembers wrong. do you find it credible that he has no memory blackout? he sometimes drinks to excess. >> he said that under oath. we have people who knew him from the time, dozens of people who say that they find him credible, that this is -- that allegations don'

>>> kellyanne conway serves as counselor to the president. joining us from washington, only on "cbs this morning." good morning. >> good morning, norah. >> should deborah ramirez, the new kavanaugh accuser, be allowed to testify? >> if she would like to, she can certainly contact the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. they have a process in place. obviously they've mailed tremendous unpress dentsed accommodations for miss ford to testify on thursday. judge kavanaugh has been willing to testify publicly to what he has said privately under oath from day one. less than 24 hours after he was made aware of the identity of miss ford, he said he would raise histestify add to his 30-plus hours of testimony. i thought that his comment last night about the second so-called accuser is incredibly instructor. he's calling this a smear campaign. indeed, starting to feel like a vast left wing conspiracy. "the new york times" said they interviewed dozens of people over the last couple weeks, trying to verify the second accusation. they couldn't go f

. >> well, i just spoke with kellyanne. she asked me if i got a call. i never got a call. i never got a message. who did you ask about speaking to me? >> well, about six people. >> well, they don't tell me. >> senator -- i talked to kellyanne about it two and a half months ago. she came for lunch. >> well, it's too bad. i'm just hearing act it. i did hear from lindsey but i'm just hearing act it. we'll have a very inaccurate book and it's too bad. i don't blame you entirely. accurate is that nobody has ever done a better job than i'm doing as president. >> oh, okay. so willie, can i ask you, which lie was less convincing, his lie to omarosa that he didn't know she was fired. >> and escorted out. >> and escorted out. or his lie to bob woodward that he had no idea that the book was being written. >> they're both pretty bad, but this one woodward describes two and a half hour lunch he had with kellyane conway where he put in the request. she gets on the phone, gets on the phone and then trump holds her the phone and handle this and talks bob down a little bit. yeah, your requ

so i totally disagree with what mike pence and kellyanne conway said. >> nicco, we have seen a lot of denials, threats of possible legal action and maybe even inviting themselves to take lie detector tests, but what you're not seeing from the white house is any way in which to dishusband all the language used -- dismiss all the language used, whether it is the op-eds being written, instead it is who authored it. >> yeah, i think president trump's response has been to prove exactly what the op-ed said. it's been erratic, anti-democratic, obviously, there's no crime committed here. and -- but because of president trump is voicing those concerns. other administration officials like pence and kellyanne conway have to basically echo them or at least hint there could be something there. it's -- it's a circle, a never-ending circle. so, yeah, it's amazing that trump is able to continue with that. the other thing is that the -- the president is -- sorry. >> are you getting feedback there? >> yes, i'm sorry. we'll try to work that out. kellyanne conway said the goal of the op-ed writer is to c

even before kellyanne went on television this morning. we were hearing for source that is the idea that they want to go head to head with this woman is completely untrue. there is very little desire to have that fight play out at this moment. they don't view it as being helpful to kavanaugh. if you look at collins and murkowski, these are woman that you don't want to antagonize before you get to a floor vote. people around the president are aware of that. the president is doing his part by staying silent, but he's never been a me too kind of guy. he never liked this torpedoing his people. he doesn't like it now. i think he knows he wants kavanaugh confirmed and this might be the only way. >> he might want to pick up the phones at the judicial crisis network, a conservative group to find judges and sell nominees. they are planning for the $1.5 million campaign defending kavanaugh saying they are not going to allow a last minute smear campaign on a did good and decent man. >> if she wants to come forward, she should be heard in some way. th

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kellyanne conway will be on "new day" in minutes. michael cohen is talking to robert mueller's team in the russia investigation. >>> joining us now is angus king of maine. thanks so much for being here. as i understand it, you opposed his nomination before these allegations came to light. why? >> that's right. i issued a statement early last week before any of this broke. i had a series of problems. one, i think brett kavanaugh, if you study his judicial record which i did in some depth, has a very narrow view of what the federal government can do to protect its citizens, health care, environment in particular is one i'm concerned about. but he has a broad view of what states can do to restrict people's personal liberty. probably the best example is row v v wade. i don't know if he's overturn it. but i'm sure he will vote to narrow the protections where row v. wade is a hallow shell for reproductive rights for women across the country. the rush on this hearing is this other piece. we only have 10% of the data, the documents that he p

adviser to the president all about the book to tell kellyanne conway i'm doing this book, what would really be excellent if i could sit down with the president and have an interview and we're led to believe that kellyanne conway knowing the history of bob woodward and carl bernstein for that matter going back to watergate wouldn't tell the president, by the way, mr. president, bob woodward is doing a book about you he wants to sit down for an interview, do you want to do it? are we supposed to believe that she wouldn't do that? >> if you go on cnn.com, we have the whole transcript and guess who's in the oval office during this conversation, kellyanne conway, the president puts her on the phone with bob. she admits that he put the request in and then there's this surreal moment where she says, well, i put in the request but it was rejected. >> she put it through a proet call. >> the reality is, kellyanne conway at that moment is standing in the oval office with president trump, she has access to him. there's just -- its strains the imagination that he did not know about this and that

senator and the president senior adviser, kellyanne conway. this is something that feels organized to me. they are going out and saying maybe somebody else did this. we are not going to show you what he said because it's bizarre and grossly irresponsible. >> i think what they are saying is maybe it's both, maybe they can have it both ways. maybe she was attacked and maybe she was scared and did have this traumatic episode and maybe it was not brett kavanaugh, it was somebody else? >> this is spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks. republicans understand they cannot be seen as attacking the accuser and on the other hand they want to defend brett kavanaugh. the whole temperature in this, there are death threats towards kavanaugh's family and ford. this is a difficult situation, and words are being thrown around, not only death threats but calling the judge a rapist which have no basis in fact, and if both sides argue in good faith find a way to get to something close to the truth. >> i just want to throw it out there, because she said i knew

, jake said kellyanne and jake said this and not ask kellyanne. it doesn't have to be bob woodward who does the fact checking, it can be a fact checker. but this is the fourth consecutive book in a row that one of the parties kur ratcure t or related it to themselves. >>> you warm front fion't find people outside of the president's inner circle disp e disputing the substance of the op-ed or the woodward book, especially bob sasse who says he's considering resigning from the republican party. why? senator sasse will join me in a matter of minutes. stay with us. ♪ i feel the magic between you and i ♪ ♪ i've got hungry eyes ♪ now i've got you in my sights ♪ applebee's new 3-course meal starting at $11.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. because when you want to create an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery, is all the difference in the world. introducing the all-new lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. a product of mastery. itthat's why i lovel the daily fiber w

but one who needs to get on the same page is the president and not kellyanne conway. calling for the department of justice to investigate a statement that violates no apparent law, it is just -- it is a very difficult to figure out, if you found out through the department of justice, so what? you can't -- you don't have a criminal case because there is no crime here. that anybody could see. there is no classified information that has been published. but more than that, kate, if i may say so, this seems to me a complete distraction. the white house -- i think it is fuelling this search for the person so that it will make the story about what the person has to say go away and they want to -- >> forecast us on who it is rather than the content. >> kill the messenger. absolutely. shoot the messenger and kill the message. and what the person had to say is very serious and we do know that michaelen for example of axios reported he's had called from other senior officials saying i could have written the same thing. this is not an isolated person. it is an individual from my

the president puts kellyanne conway on the phone with bob in the middle of the interview and kellyanne says yes, yes, she did have it, it went through the right channels. kellyanne conway has direct access to the president. she's standing in the oval office when he's on the phone with woodward. the idea that the press office that kellyanne conway -- that woodward's request did not get to trump, he admits he heard it from lindsey graham, it strains credulity. >> hold on. isn't it possible the whole theme of this book are his toppedtop adviser s trying to keep him from himself and protect him from the country and that they made a decision, kellyanne conway and the communications directors made a decision, we won't let him talk to bob woodward, that would be bad for him. his impulse is he wants to but they decided against hit. >> but he admit he is knew about it. >> from lindsey graham. >> but lindsey graham -- that wasn't an accidental thing. woodward asked lindsey graham would you also put in the request so trump says it's true. we also know donald trump in the end does what he wants to

what is your reaction to kellyanne conway? this is senior adviser to the president saying that ford should be heard. she should have her chance to speak. >> i mean, if that's true and that actually is -- >> she said it. >> she says a lot of things that aren't necessarily followed up with any action. i'm not confident that this white house does believe the woman should have the chance to speak. if that is actually the white house position, then great. i hope republican senators take that on board and let her testify. >> explain the calculation not just inside the white house but inside the administration because if you're mitch mcconnell and you're focused on the midterms and you're this close to getting a nominee through, what do you do? >> right now, the calculation is we need to ram this through as hard and fast as possible. the vote is scheduled for thursday to come out of committee. they're saying we can have dr. ford testify tomorrow. that means wednesday we do the quick rebuttals and thursday we ram it through on party l

i don't believe that kellyanne conway has read the book. so this excuse that these are former disgruntled officials, i just don't think it is going to wash when the book comes out next week and people read it. yes, there are some former people, but there are also current administration officials. what i have said about this is, you know, in watergate there was the famous deep throat that was a source for bob woodward. he interviewed dozens of firsthand officials. there are dozens of deep throats here, and most of them allowed their interviews to be recorded. >> okay. stick around, everyone. you guys will get another chance on the other side of this break, because when we come back we will have more on bob woodward's explosive reporting on dysfunction in the trump west wing. plus, why the president didn't speak to woodward about the book though he claims he wanted to. we'll be right back. ♪ >>> "cnn tonight" is brought to you by the thrilling new film "white boy rick" based on the true story starring matthew mcconaughey. only in theaters s

steve: counselor to the president kellyanne conway joins us. >> good morning. steve: this anonymous, who is it? >> i have no idea. i think the person probably wasn't banking on the fact that he or she would be so ridiculed if not excoriated right, left and center at this point. you ivan see democratic members of congress left wing liberals out there saying hey, this is no way to express your opinion, come forward, put your authorship on it lots of folks upset with the "new york times" in the media who are saying well, it better be somebody really super senior or else they would not have granted anonymity. i don't know who it is. i know their type and their type is very unimpressive. somebody who doesn't have the courage to come forward and say this is my opinion. this is how i feel. i think in large part because they don't have first-hand knowledge of what they are writing. this is not the president i know as described. this is not the decisionmaker and leader that i'm around every single day. there are those of us who are here because we believe in the preside

and kellyanne went to somebody, but she didn't come to me. and she should have come to me. >> does she have access to you? >> absolutely. direct access. and that's okay, i will end up with another bad book. what can i tell you. >> you need to know it was a maximum effort. >> too bad i am just hearing about it. we are going to have a very inaccurate book. and that's too bad. >> it is going to be accurate. >> well, accurate is that nobody has ever done a better job than i am doing as president. and that's the way a lot of people feel. >> when we come back, much more including the story behind president trump's then lawyer john dowd saying don't testify, its either that, or an orange jumpsuit. every fire department every police department is part of a bigger picture. that bigger picture is statewide mutual aid. california years ago realized the need to work together. teamwork is important to protect the community, but we have to do it the right way. we have a working knowledge and we can reduce the impacts of a small disaster, but we need the he

conway, walks in the room -- >> i'll speak to kellyanne. i am a little surprised that she wouldn't have told me. in fact, she just walked in. i'm talking to bob woodward. he said that he told you -- >> yes. >> -- about speaking to me. but you never told me. why didn't you tell me?im>> repn the phone herself. >> hi. >> hi. remember two and a half months ago, you came over and i laid out, i wanted to talk to the president? and you said you would get back to me? >> i do. and i put in the request. but you know, they -- it was rejected. i can only take it so far. i guess i can bring it right to the president next time. >> reporter: the president not letting up. >> it would've been nice, bob, if you called for me, in my office. i mean, i have a secretary. i have two, three secretaries. if you would've called directly -- a lot of people are afraid. >> reporter: in the book, called "fear," woodward paints a picture of top aides ridiculing the boss behind his back. after the president repeatedly questioned the cost of america's large military presen

what do you make of the statements from kellyanne conway? >> you know, the president has his way of conducting business. to me this is a very serious accusation. it needs to be aired properly. you have already mentioned how other people's careers have been directly affected by this conduct. we need to get to the merits of what has been said here. as to whether judge kavanaugh was involved in this and listen to the accuser and give the accuser the respect of these allegations. these are tough matters and they need to be aired properly. >> let me shift gears for a moment while i have you, senator. paul manafort is the latest trump associate to enter a guilty plea. he agreed to cooperate fully with the special counsel, robert mueller. how significant is that and what does it say about the state of the mueller investigation? >> clearly the mueller investigation has unveiled several violations of our criminal statute. this is the latest where you have a guilty plea. this is clearly uncovering a great deal of problems involving the trump campaign

and kellyanne went to somebody. but she didn't come to me. >> well -- >> and she should have come to me. she does have access to me. absolutely. she has direct access. but she didn't come to me. and you know what, that's okay. i'll just end up with another bad book. what can i tell you? >> now, are we really supposed to believe that kellyanne conway, the deputy press secretary, principle deputy press secretary, never reported to the president that bob woodward is doing a major book about the trump white house and wants to do an interview with you? >> it strains credulity that that didn't happen. there is kellyanne right in the oval office, she does have direct access. and he said that senator lindsey graham told him about it. so he did know about the interview. i think at the end of the day, what do we know about donald trump, he does what he wants to do. if he had wanted to do this interview, he would have done it. >> yeah. but then he has this conversation -- i didn't know anything about it. well, lindsey graham d

kellyanne conway was pressed on the impact this is having on the west wing. this is how she responded. >> what does concern me though, jake, apart from everything the president and others said, for a media that is constantly talking about facts, transparency, authority, the authoritativeness to this writer was automatically because of the message. as long as the message is anti-trump, they have credibility. i'm with the vice president on this. the person should resign if the person truly is an a pointee who has taken oath to the constitution. >> in many ways, kellyanne conway is echoing the comments that they feel they have a traitor in their ranks. the question now is to what length will the president go to figure out who this person is. you heard many members of the administration suggest this may be a criminal act and should involve the department of justice. so far, 25 different administration officials have strongly denied they had anything to do with this op-ed writer. here we are. day four. we have no idea who this person is and the white house is tryi

and kellyanne went to somebody, but she didn't come to me. and she should have come to me. >> does she have access to you? >> absolutely. direct access. and that's okay, i will end up with another bad book. what can i tell you. >> you need to know it was a maximum effort. >> too bad i am just hearing about it. we are going to have a very inaccurate book. and that's too bad. >> it is going to be accurate. >> well, accurate is that nobody has ever done a better job than i am doing as president. and that's the way a lot of people feel. >> when we come back, much more including the story behind president trump's then lawyer john dowd saying don't testify, its either that, or an orange jumpsuit. relieves your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it helps block six key inflammatory substances. most pills block one. flonase sensimist. most pills block one. (seriously, that's what we call tit. officially.all a huge drag. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we

he gets kellyanne on the phone. >> and kellyanne blames it hope hicks. >> this is called the run around. trump is giving woodward the run around. you talked to who? you talked to him? you didn't talk to me. why did you go to him? why didn't you call me personally and talk to my secretaries, that is not how you get through to the white house these days. you never call the president, you call the press office and say can i have time with him. >> the most revealing part of the conversation is it is clear that the president acknowledges that senator lindsey graham did bring up the topic with him. it was the president's choice to not sit with bob woodward and now you are sitting there with a book that doesn't have the president's voice in it, but a lot of people with first hand accounts. >> if you think the book is going to be negative, don't do the interview. you will look like you are part of your own dissembling. the president told an aide attorney general jeff sessions. trump has criticized wray as another figure in the justice department who is not protecting his interests. elliott, he

but that being said, he echoed what kellyanne conway said this morning. everyone should be heard here. a full process should go through. and i told you before, brooke, mark that thursday event in pencil. i think he just took the eraser side of the pencil and said, it's okay if it's a delayed after that. giving some breathing room for republicans to be able to go through a process here where they feel 100% complete and secure in getting kavanaugh on to the court. which is, of course, their ultimate goal. and they want to do it in a way that is totally unimpeachable. so the president just gave the space and the ability for the republicans to now go through and do that. >> david, thank you. >> sure. >> very much. >> let's go to the white house and our senior white house correspondent there, jeff zeleny. jeff, what did you think of the president just then? >> reporter: well, brooke, there's no question that the president is continuing his discipline over these supreme court nominees. this has been the single-most disciplined area of his presidency. the first

here is kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, this morning. >> let me make very clear again for those who just want to slice and dice what's being said today on behalf of the president. this woman should not be ignored and should not be insulted. she should be heard. >> kavanaugh in a statement categorically and unequivocally denies the allegation. he did not do this in high school or at any time. some republican senators have joined democrats in calling for thursday's senate judiciary committee vote to be delayed, postponed until we hear more from this. joining us now in the studio is the number two ranking democrat in the senate, dick durbin. senator thank you so much for being with us this morning. we heard moments ago the attorney for dr. christine blaise-ford said she is willing to testify in the senate. will that happen this week? >> i don't know that there will be a hearing but testimony. we haven't decided the parameters. chuck grassley, senators and others have to make sure that the american people believe everyone is being treated fairly. rushing this through is not tr

. >> kellyanne conway suggested there was a crime here by the op-ed writer. do you see a crime here? >> i see no crime. look, i am a creature of the executive branch and worked in it for decades and there's a sense of disloyalty to the president when you say these kinds of things, but this is the most norm-busting president in my lifetime and perhaps history, and that seems to be forcing other people to break their own norms, and to be candid a. former president actually making specific commentary about one of his successors. we have reached a point where it's kind of in an emergency, break glass, and we have people doing things i don't think they would have done or even thought of doing in normal times. >> general michael hayden, we appreciate your perspective. >>> we want to bring in our reporter and analyst, a white house correspondent for "the new york times." we just heard from general hayden, and he says chaos has been sewn. we were talking about how everybody we talked to this weekend wants to know who the writer is, and it's broken through to the peop

i'll speak to kellyanne. i am a little surprised that she wouldn't have told me, that she just walked in -- i'm talking to bob woodward. he said he told you about speaking to me. but you never told me. why didn't you tell me? i would have been very happy to speak to him. all right. so what are you going to do? so i have another bad book coming out. >> it goes on. and you know, i -- what you can count on is that i've been very careful. evelyn, are you on? >> yes. >> evelyn ductee who's my assistant -- >> hello, evelyn. >> she transcribed all the tapes because with permission i taped people for hundreds of hours. >> good. >> and i think there's nothing in this book that doesn't come from a firsthand source. is that correct, evelyn? >> but are you naming names or do you just say sources? >> the names we're -- >> do you name sources? i mean, are you naming the people or just say, you know, people have said? >> i say at 2:00 on this day the following happened and everyone who's there including yourself is quoted.

ainsley: kellyanne conway says the woman should be heard. chuck grassley released a letter with 65 woman who knew cavanagh, came out supported him. many people are asking about the timing of this. why didn't feinstein question the hearing questioning the judge. brian: could have had all that time, i got a letter from a woman who accuses you of doing something in high school, what is your response to that. steve: at that point the woman didn't want her identity revealed. you couldn't tell the story. brian: i have to the a letter someone went to high school whose identity doesn't want to come forward. ainsley: he would say, who is the woman? i need to know more -- steve: have to have details.

kellyanne conway brought up her own history of sexual assault and defended brett kavanaugh. >> i feel very empathetic, frankly for victims of sexual harassment and rape. i'm a victim of sexual assault. i don't expect judge kavanaugh or jeff flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. you have to be responsible for your own conduct. >> it's the first time i heard you talk about something personal like that and i'm really sorry. you work for a president who said all the women who accused him are lying. >> don't conflate that with this and what happened to me. it would be a huge mistake. >> this other issue about the kavanaugh investigation, we asked him about the role in forcing the week long delay, president trump said the delay is fine and said if the process looks fair and the investigation turns up nothing as they hope and expect it, kavanaugh benefits from the delay. >> okay, geoff bennett. powerful reportering there. ted lieu everybody ises on the how judiciary and foreign affairs committees. what we heard kellyanne conway say, i paused when she said you have to take respons

could lodestar be a word pointed to kellyanne conway? >> she's the kind of person that would find out mike pence used it a lot and tried to pin it on mike pence. >> he said he had an exclusive with anonymous. >> are you mike pence? >> no, i'm not. even mike pence's silhouette is white. >> on my bookie, people were putting money on pence. omarosa offered a multiple choice survey, the chief of staff came in first. but enough with the who done it. let's move to who denies it. for instance, the vice president. >> he done it. >> he denies it. >> he done it. >> he denies it. >> nah. >> up sprang walls of denial. >> it was not them. >> it's not me, i didn't do it. ♪ it wasn't me. >> someone tweeted a live look inside the white house as they try to figure out who wrote the op-ed. but if you're going to rip into. >> anonymous. >> better learn how to say it. >> anonymous, anonymous, gutless. >> jeanne moos, cnn. >> who do you think wrote the "new york times" op-ed? >> very smart people. >> new york. >> i can imagine people that didn't make the c

kellyanne conway, thank you for your time. now to the other side of the political aisle on this, you are on the house oversight committee. you just heard the counselor to the president talking and you've heard the president from earlier today as well and i want to jump back to judge kavanaugh now talking about how this is a con game. you and i talked quite frequently, how is it that democrats, specifically to senator dianne feinstein.you guys in the position to have to defend this 11th hour reveal, if you will. >> thanks for having me on again, harris. as you know, dr. ford originally did not want her identity divulged and i think that's what led senator feinstein to basically not reveal it publicly. but now we are where we are and i'm very glad that senator grassley is having dr. ford come in and testify along with judge kavanaugh and we have to allow them to tell what they need to say about the allegations. from dr. ford and on the other hand hearing what judge kavanaugh has to say and we will have to go from there. >> harri

kellyanne conway, we will leave it there.

it's an interesting tactic that kellyanne conway is employing here. trying to say, all of a sudden, now, accusers who come forward old allegations should be heard? but that wasn't the position they took when the allegations came out against donald trump. and they were accusations that were a lot sooner, a lot more recent than 36 years ago. so which is it? they didn't do the same thing roy moore. so which is it? this is what happens when you have an immoral person in the oval office and when republicans and conservatives defend the indefensible on the character front. you can't have it both ways. so which is it? so i think what they're -- again, this is -- i kind of chuckle to myself, actually, when kellyanne conway came out about that. the self-righteous, oh, she should be heard. really? well, then we apply the same standard to this administration, a lot of people, including the president of the united states, wouldn't hold up. they wouldn't stand the scrutiny. so they need to have it both ways. one other really quick thing. what's concerning me as a

kellyanne can rhyme! she's spitting bars faster than mueller can put people behind them. ( laughter ) well, if kellyanne thinks that simple, repetitive rhymes are the best way to get a message across, allow me to respond. kellyanne, you grin 'n spin. you stump for trump with your deflecting and protecting. but we all know what you really are: a town crier for the garbage fire, a deceiver-for- hire, and there's no-one slyer. when things are most dire, you conspire to preach to the choir, a denier of our current quagmire. my desire is that you retire before you're fired, because ma'am, you are a liar. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> not today. not today. sorry, not today. it seems like not all of the sex donald trump had with stormy daniels back in 2006 was, as she described, textbook generic. some was magazine kinky, because "mother jones" has gotten their hands on emails from 2009 in which the adult film actor and director claimed that her affair with trump included an unusual act, spanking him with a copy of

kellyanne conway also joins us. we are jam-packed. we begin tonight with what i just mentioned off the top. emotion versus fact. should they carry equal weight in the eyes of senators as we wait the the credibility of both kavanaugh and his accuser? first, here is the raw emotion that overwhelmed both of them. >> i'm here today not because i want to be. i am terrified. i'm here because i believe it is my civic duty to tell you what happened to me while brettto kavanaugh and i were in high school. >> it took the committee ten days to get to this hearing.oo in those ten long days, as was predictable, and i predicted, my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed by vicious and false additional accusations. >> but the details about the night that when we hear todayy are the ones i will never forget. they have been seared into my memory and have haunted me episodically as an adult. >> this confirmation process has become a national disgrace. the constitution gives the senate an important role in the confirmation proces

kellyanne conway say it is not fairfor one man to carry heard kellyanne conway say it is not fair for one man to carry the #metoo movement on his shoulders. but you cannot discount the cultural context and this is a time where women feel they can speak out and be heard in perhaps a way they weren't in the past. does the sentencing affect what happens on thursday? there will be no direct effect but everybody is conscious that the two things are happening at the same time and this is the first sentencing in the context of the #metoo movement. other men like harvey weinstein will stand trial. people are conscious of that. it affects only in the political sense that nobody wants to alienate female voters at the moment, particularly female voters who might be angry about this issue which is why the republicans have to deal with this very careful indeed. rob goldstone — the man behind a 2016 meeting at trump tower, which is central to the russia collusion inquiry here in the us has told the bbc that he wishes he had never sent the email that set it up. the british publicist also played a

the people who most fear this would be the house. >> kellyanne conway, again, after saying this woman should not be ignored or insulted, here's what she wrote on twitter. hundreds of women have come forward to speak about judge kavanaugh's character and integrity. those who knew him in college, high school, moms of girls he coached in youth basketball. this matters. there's that, and it reminds me of this letter that before we knew who the accuser was, but after we knew about the accusations, 65 women signed a letter that have known kavanaugh since high school, speaking to his, what they call his integrity, et cetera, and we have some of them on camera. let's listen to those women. >> he always treated us girls with respect, always. and it was simple to find 65 women to sign that letter, from five different high schools, everybody jumped onboard and was happy to sign it on his behalf. >> he is unfailingly kind and respectful. and a man of the highest character. unassailable integrity, and these allegations are flatly inconsistent with the man i have known for over a decade. >> abigail

we will speak to kellyanne conway in our next hour about that. president trump's personal attorney, michael cohen, is giving critical information to the mueller team about russia according to his lawyer. cohen had met with them for hours and for multiple interviews. >> joining us is rick santorum, and now a cnn political commentator. there appears to be active negotiations between blasey's team and senate republicans on the committee. the only nonnegotiable terms is she is not going to be in the same room with kavanaugh, and not on monday, perhaps later in the week. if that's the only sticking point do you think chuck grassley and the republican senators should give and postpone it by a couple days? >> i think they will. if it's a day or two or at the most, three, if it's next week sometime i would suspect it would be prudent for the republicans to go ahead, and i think it's in everybody's best interest to have the hearing, and as long as this is not a bait and switch, well, you know, i can't do it then, and not then -- i guess one chance to dela

listen to what presidential counsellor kellyanne conway said. >> it will be limited in scope and meant to last for a week i believe beginning last friday. it's not a fishing expedition. the president very much respects the independence of the fbi and feels that they should be looking at anything they think is credible within this limited scope. >> let's begin with cnn's boris sanchez. what do we know about the discrepancy about the scope of the investigation. free reign or limited? >> that's a good question. as you heard from kellyanne conway, publicly the white house is saying this will be a narrow investigation. one that has you heard the fbi will have free reign over. according to a source close to the investigation, they told cnn that the white house is guiding the process with direction of a senate republican. they will not look into certain things about brett kavanaugh and specifically his drinking habits in high school, something he was grilled on in his testimony on thursday. the senate majority leader put out a statement, he was attempting to clear up the confusion. he said th

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i think the president said the right thing -- >> he did. >> and kellyanne, no surprise, i've known kellyanne for a long time. those are the people who are actually at the levers of power, starting with the president. i don't appreciate the item from his son, but it really doesn't have the relevance here that the president's statement does. >> true. >> and even kellyanne, to a far much lesser extent. >> true. all fair points. the reason i bring him up -- >> and let me follow up on that. the president's comment made it easier for the senate to actually introduce, to change the schedule -- >> yes. >> -- which can be viewed as a tactic here. the democrats want to push this back and this is consistent with that. so it does have that look about it. >> right. but here's the thing. >> but this is serious allegation. i would not say it's clarence thomas 2.0 because those were adults. we're not even that close in time to this. that was months and years before the allegation was aired. this was 35-plus years back to high school. >> two things. one, the way this is being dealt with is not ant basis of f