roger stone is a focus. the question is was roger stone somehow a link between the trump campaign and wikileaks, russian intelligence, et cetera. that seems to be where mueller has put a lot of his effort in recent weeks. >> very interesting. gloria, i want to read one of the e-mails "new york times" got a hold of from october 3rd, 2016, just before the election. one of steve bannon's breitbart employees asked assange, what's he got. hope it's good. stone replied, it is. then he encouraged him to follow-up, saying clearly, he, roger stone, knows what assange has. what do you make of it? >> and let me finish the loop here because then steve bannon yee e-mailed and said i have important stuff to work out. seems like he was dismissive of stone. people in the campaign didn't know what to make of roger stone. one thing ni know from my reporting is roger stone it talk to the president, he presented himself as somebody i believe who knew a lot about wikileaks and when they would release certain things and what they

roger stone still insists he's done nothing wrong. >> wolf, can i just add one point about roger stone. evan made an illusion to this. there's a technical legal term for roger stone. he's a bs artist. he lies to everybody. he boasts. he tells stories. that may actually help him. he may actually be saying, oh, come on, i was just puffing, i didn't really know what was going on with wikileaks, and if you know roger stone as i do, it is entirely possible that he was just boasting and he didn't know what was going on, and that's an overlay to all these e-mails and these conversations that the mueller office, which certainly knows -- knows who roger stone is at this point, will have to where. >> evan, here's what some lyle experts who are knowledgeable that perhaps is roger stone the ultimate target or are they squeezing him in this way and he cooperates and ghe to a higher up? >> that's an interesting theory. obviously we know that under justice department rules the president can't be charged and that's the ultimate end game if you are looking for a bigger. wolf, i think if, if the special

i want to start with roger stone first. you have a knunique relationshi with roger stone. what was his relationship with the trump campaign? >> roger stone's history goes back for 30 years, and he worked with him long before we started a campaign or i ever met mr. trump. when i came to the trump organization to look at him potentially running for president, we launched a campaign, and roger stone, i ultimately fired at about august of 2015 and he was not around the campaign very much, he worked through sam, and by august or september of 2015 i also fired sam. >> why did you fire roger stone? >> he was not doing anything in the campaign and he was living in florida -- i don't know what he was doing to be honest, and he had no value so i did not want to pay somebody not doing anything. >> he continued to talk to the president, correct? >> a 30-year relationship was in place, and did they have conversations after i fired him, they did, and it was limited in scope when i was near. >> when you would hear then candidate donald trump was speaking to roger stone, what would your r

>> you have to ask roger stone. i told roger stone. let's get this clear. in july, i was on vacation with my wife in italy, 25th anniversary, i think flying over i figured out that assange had podesta's e-mails. i told roger in this e-mail and subsequently i thought it was podesta's e-mails. >> so let's get -- >> one more point on that. >> go ahead. >> the other point is, this was my conclusion, my supposition. it did not come from assange and it didn't connect back to assange. so there's no link for me to assange. the link is from me figuring this out and telling roger. if i was the source, it was because roger believed me figuring it out, not because roger believed i had a source. >> so you gave that defense to mueller's prosecutors? >> it's actually the truth. >> it's also a defense. >> fine, it's a defense. it's the truth. >> you said that to them. how did they take that? >> they didn't believe it. jeannie reed, one of the prosecutors, said dr. corsi, you are asking us to believe that on an extended international flight with your wife you had divine int

for noib say raanybody to say r your source, roger says -- one, roger stone lied. this proves he didn't in terms of his congressional testimony. i see you -- >> join us here in a sec. >> number two, it also shows that once again the issue isn't whether or not, to me, the issue isn't whether or not they wanted the e-mails released. the other campaign wanted the "access hollywood" tape released. >> oh, come on. >> the issue is -- >> we didn't ask china or pakistan to release it. >> the issue -- >> by the way, we didn't ask for "access hollywood" to release it. you did ask russia to release it. >> not me. >> you didn't see hillary clinton on tape saying, nbc, if you're listening we'd love to see that tape. >> that said, the issue, collusion and conspiracy, dealing with randy is not strategizing with the russians and/or julian assange on what should be released. >> sounds like another coffee boy. >> and no question roger stone has a truthiness problem and that could lead to legal problems. we're waiting for another indictment to drop and surprised if it wasn't roger st

and roger stone has stated again and again that he and roger stone did not start wikileaks. what all this does is give us a glimpse into what line of questioning or what line of investigation mueller and his team are pursuing. we also know that trump said he never discussed wikileaks with stone and he wasn't aware of the june 26th trump tower meeting. if mueller has evidence to contradict that, that would be a big, big problem for president trump because we won't know until mueller shows his cards. >> well, to an extent he has shown some of his cards. that is what is so different about this week. that is why it is more than nuggets. we have been discussing this off camera for more than a day. but the mueller team has told us they have evidence about this discussion between roger stone and jerome corsi about the e-mails and about contacts with wikileaks. we have seen in the document that they have connected roger stone in writing to the president of the united states, then candidate donald trump. and we know from our reporting that that so unnerved the president and his legal

>> mike schmidt, it's a great point about roger stone. you can almost hear donald trump's -- if roger stone is to be indicted as a lot of people suspect he may be, you can almost hear the white house response, well, he was hardly involved. we hardly knew him. but you've reported that mueller has questions for the president about wikileaks. one of the questions that mueller has as they've shared with his lawyers is for the president, what did you know about communications between roger stone, his associates, julian asank sange or wikileaks. this goes straight to their questions about what the president knew about this effort, this russian effort to help the trump campaign. >> that's the big question that hangs over this that we don't have an answer to. what did the president know about this? did he have any advanced knowledge from stone, from anyone nels the campaign about what was to come? and there's these major questions that still hang over the investigation. that being one of them that, you know, mueller is still looking at. how much

roger stone is vehemently denying all of this. in a statement to cnn, he says it is pure unadulterated bs. why would i ask him to contact assange, who even today he does not know logical or true. so, wolf, this is what investigators are still sifting through, a reminder. still no charges against jerome corsi. still no charges against roger stone. >> thank you, sarah murray, for reporting. >>> now to the breaking news that paul manafort, bombshell report he held secret meetings with the wikileaks investigation tonight. jessica snyder is here with us. this new report, it potentially is very explosive despite the denials. >> a lot is swirling. first, robert mueller's team, they accused manafort of lying ending this plea deal in the works two months now. of course, the "guardian" issued that explosive report that manafort met with assange multiple times him paul manafort and wikileaks have issued strong denials. any connection can be a major development into special counsel's probe into collusion. tonight, a secret report between wiki

now, roger stone is insisting that this is patently false, in a very colorful roger stone statement, he said, it is pure unadulterated, unmitigated bs. and why would i ask him to contact assange, who even today he says he does not know. neither logical or true. wolf, this is what investigators are having to dig through, these conflicting version of events from these two gentlemen. >> lots to work on for mueller and his team, though. no doubt. sara murray, good reporting. thank you very much. even as the special counsel says he broke his plea deal by lying, the former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, is denying a new report that he secretly met multiple times with the wikileaks founder, jewulia a assangemarquardt. what's the latest on this front? >> this is an explosive report that comes for paul manafort who is currently in solitary confinement. "the guardian" newspaper put out this report. they are alleging that manafort has known jewulian assange for years, since well before the 2016 campaign and as manafort was coming on the campaign, he met with assange again in london, a

roger stone is uncontrollable in that respect. and what's problematic for stone here, potentially, is that in the russia hacking indictment that mueller brought, mueller said that there was a u.s. person who was in connection, who was in connection with the investigation, coordinating between the trump campaign and guccifer 2, the organization that hacked. that person is roger stone, self-acknowledged by stone. so if corsi can participate in the fleshing out of that information, maybe it's detrimental to stone's legal interests. equally, though, it could be that corsi has nothing to add. he's just flat out lied to mueller, and mueller doesn't -- and he's going to be charged like george papadopoulos and all the others in one count of lying to mueller. >> but there could be some critical information that ties a lot of this together, which that really is something we have not seen at this point in the investigation up until now. >> exactly. stone to corsi all have some connection to wikileaks, the organization that distributed the ha

>> well, i think it certainly is significant for roger stone. the question becomes what was roger stone's connection to the campaign, to the president, to the upper reaches of the campaign? roger stone, you know, issued a public statement somewhere back along in the fall saying something to the affect of wait until you see what is going to come out on podesta. he is on record as having some knowledge about what is going on with wikileaks. i think you have to go back and make -- connect some of the dots earlier, and we we know is the russian intelligence agencies stole these e-mails and downloaded them to wikileaks and wikileaks became as part of that, how did those e-mails become a way to influence the american public, and that's russia's intention. the questioner asking, what was the connection, if any, between the campaign and wikileaks in terms of the timing or magnitude of the releases of the e-mails that took place in early september and october of 2016. that's all public information, john. i will not talk to you about what our committee is

i'll quote roger stone. he told jeffrey toobin that his personal motto -- roger stone's personal motto is admit nothing, deny everything, launch counter attack. that's what we see him doing here. this is the way people go after cooperating witnesses when they're afraid. i've seen this dance a thousand times. before things go bad, corsi, stone, hand-in-hand, plotting, working with wikileaks. as soon as stone sees the writing on the wall, it's a tack corsi claimed the prosecutors are leaning on him. >> to underscore, if people are just tuning in, this jerome corsi is not a household name. roger stone has become one. it's like the hawks who have been circling roger stone. what kind of information could corsi give the mueller team that could lead them on a path toward roger? >> so stone in all the sort of assorted personalities around him are central to the link between wikileaks, publishing the e-mails and the campaign. and stone has made all sorts of noise about who is doing it, was it corsi, they're all point

he shared it with roger stone, but roger stone said he didn't share that information. it seems like this is an important link. >> it is important. robert mueller's investigators have been looking to see if anyone associated with the trump campaign had advance knowledge of what wikileaks was going to do. the fact that he told associates before the october document dump that this could happen certainly raised eyebrows. he said well, this was a theory based on the fact that when wikileaks revealed the e-mails and as you recall that were hacked, they didn't include john podesta. i was piecing it together that they would likely release his e-mails. that is what he told other media outlets. the team is very interested in this and the fact that they are in plea negotiations is a big development. that could fall apart. just because they are in talks t doesn't mean they could end. >> they have gone back and forth. when you look at this, what does it tell you about where the mueller investigation may be headed? >> it certainly tells me the mueller investigation is going full ste

the big fish here is roger stone. it's not jerome corsi. it's not credico, it's roger stone. so we'll have to wait and see whether this is something that's going to actually come to fruition and whether that's what he's edging towards here. we just don't know yet. >> the other development today, and it's curious and potentially very significant, all of a sudden michael cohen joined not by his family on this veterans day but by his criminal defense attorney, they're on the train from new york to washington. he's seen getting off at union station, spending hours here and taking a late afternoon train with his lawyer back to new york. we also know that what several of mueller's lawyers were working today on this federal holiday. they're supposed to be off. >> you can imagine he wasn't hanging out with his criminal defense lawyer for nothing on a federal holiday. he wouldn't answer any questions when reporters asked him what he was doing here, what he was planning on saying to mueller's team. he declined everything. he said he was having a nice ride. but obviously we've been wait

roger stone doesn't think so. he issued a statement today blaming steve bannon or an associate of steve bannon who used to be an associate of roger stone for just giving these e-mails, offering them to "the new york times." roger stone said bannon or his hatchet man sam nunberg, who used to be stone's hatchet man, leaked this e-mail exchange to the various media outlets. now, this program has no history of trafficking in stolen e-mails. i did not read the e-mails that north korea stole from sony studios when other media in this country was trafficking in those stolen e-mails and falsely calling them hacked e-mails instead of the fruit of an international crime, which is what they were. the news media has actually never stopped to consider what our standards should be for handling and talking about stolen e-mails. and so during the presidential campaign the e-mails stolen from the democrats were constantly being read aloud on television and they were being referred to as hacked e-mails. the words stolen weren't use

so now the key question is, what, if anything, did roger stone know? we obviously are well aware of his contacts with julian assange and wikileaks. and was roger stone, in fact, acting as some sort of conduit between the trump campaign and moscow. because that really cuts at the heart of this. and that would have, of course, been some evidence of some sort of collusion, and particularly what did roger stone, a long-time political adviser to the president, tell then candidate trump about his contacts with the russians? >> and gloria, michael cohen, the president's long-time fixer, and lawyer -- >> former fixer. >> worked very closely with him. we see some video of his criminal defense attorney. there he is, they're leaving union station, heading back to new york after spending several hours here in washington. i'm sure they weren't sight-seeing. i'm sure they were doing something. and despite the fact it's veterans day, a federal holiday, about eight of mueller's lawyers were over at the justice department, working today. >> yeah, they're working. and l

neither did roger stone. so if trying to access information they night have and if you care about politics and you like a capped -- candidate over another every media outlet would be guilty. in 2016, every paper, news organization accessed the wikileaks documents surrounding the stolen podesta e-mails. just like the d.n.c. ones. many included the "new york times." they actually provided direct links to the leaked e-mails inside of their articles. they did what wikileaks did. similar situation take you back. "hannity" history lesson. 1971 is the year. "new york times" published a top secret federal report of the vietnam wars called "the pentagon papers." the report was stolen. given to "times" by federal employees. other news outlets subsequently published the papers. the supreme court upheld the media's right to publish the stolen "pentagon papers" in a 1971 ruling 6-3 majority ruling. oh, well, they didn't steal or conspire to steal it. okay. it wasn't ruled wrong by the supreme court. there is the precedent

roger stone is questioning about all of this. corsi said he expected to be charged with perjury after being interviewed. he is siting the belief that the moon landing was staged. corsi pushed it after president obama released his birth certificate. the new york times says corsi caught the attention at the time who reached out to him for his own attacks on president obama. corsi worked with alex jones driving the 9/11 movement and a range of other conspiracies. let me ask you, first of all, i have gone through the history there, something roger stone has said is corsi is under a great to deal of pressure. what are the calls like? what is it like to speak with him about this and all of these other issues he seems to care so much else about? >> he is a character. he feels like he is under enormous amount of pressure. so he is feeling the heat right now and part of his response to that is to call me and to go to to his you tube show and say he is concerned about being indicted for perj rhode isla indict indicted for perjury. he is ab

the times ran a story today and roger stone ran an op-ed in some publications. what is new in this story? >> we're learning for the first time that steve bannon, then the campaign chairman was essentially directly in touch with roger stone about the wikileaks e-mail releases days before wikileaks started dumping the podesta e-mails. that day was the same day, minutes after the access hollywood tape was released by "the washington post." what's really important for mueller to understand here, and i think what he's trying to get at, is whether or not that was a coordinated release, whether or not the campaign now knowing that roger stone apparently had this line into wikileaks and julian assange and knew that e-mails were coming then coordinated in some way so that if something damaging came out about trump in days before the election then wikileaks and the e-mails that had been hacked by the russians could respond appropriately. >> october 7th, of course, an hour after "the washington post" publishing the access hollywood tape, the first -- happens. coincidence.

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trump and roger stone. let's discuss this with our political analyst, david gregory, and nia-malika henderson, and jeffrey toobin. jeffrey -- >> yes, ma'am. >> he is saying everything is on the table with president trump all the time. do you think this is real and might actually happen? >> absolutely. absolutely. this is an incredibly inappropriate thing to say. whether it's actually an obstruction of justice or part of an impeachable offense, you know, that requires greater analysis and knowledge of the full facts but the fact that he is telling paul manafort in effect, hang in there, you don't have to cooperate and you don't have to worry about mueller because you may be getting a pardon is wildly, wildly inappropriate. >> s >> it is different, i will note it's different the way the president answered the question up until two days ago. >> that's not the way the post posed the question. >> well, could you say this is not something that we talked about at all, or he could say, yes, it's off the table. thos

>> they'll find out by eventually trying to interview roger stone. they already have interviewed bannon on a number of occasions. i'll tell you, brooke, it also makes me wonder if mueller isn't reaching out to julian assange to see if there's information there. remember, if the special prosecutor could establish there there was coordination between assange and the trump campaign to release hacked e-mails, e-mails that had been hand by the russians, that's the direct collusion case if the trail leads back to the trump campaign. so this raise as number of intrigues lines of investigation for mueller. >> so if they are based upon interviews and maybe even an interview with stone and they put the pieces to the and they do establish that he had been in touch and that he did have these e-mails, what happens legally moving forward? >> well, it really depends on how that went down. one of the things that surprised me about what's in these e-mails is that roger stone is discussing with bannon and bannon says haven't the clintons made a deal with julian assang

this is what roger stone says. as one can see from his recent videos and recent videos, my friend, dr. corsi, has been under a tremendous amount of pressure and it is beginning to affect him profoundly. he has stated publicly he is being asked to say over and over to say things he simply does not believe occurred. i am not aware of any plea talks involving dr. corsi. he's an vinvestigative journalit whose activities i would think would be largely covered under the first amendment. as for what he may have known and when he may have known it, his discussions to me regarding the podesta brothers were related to the overseas business interests unearth notre dain th papers. to my best recollection, there was no one publication, mainstream or otherwise that ever mentioned john podesta's e-mail prior to their posting by wikileaks. as i told "the washington post," if dr. corsi new john podesta's e-mails had been obtained by anyone and would be published, he never shared this information with me, nor did he give me any such

roger stone says, a load every week going forward. that's, again, from roger stone to steve bannon. and bannon responds, he didn't cut a deal with the clintons? now, what these e-mails show, jake, is that roger stone, who is full of bluster and says a lot of things that seems to be all over the place, he was in touch with one of the top people in the campaign, the ceo of the campaign at the time, if you remember. and so, what this tells us is that the mueller investigators who have these e-mails and have been asking a number of people about roger stone's connections with the campaign, it tells us that they are still pursuing this question and obviously we know that mueller's not speaking right now because of the upcoming midterms, but certainly after that, everyone is expecting that there is going to be some more action from mueller. does that mean that roger stone is next? we do not know. roger stone himself says that he believes robert mueller is going to indict him, so we shall see. but you know, the bottom line here is that mueller is still pursuing the collusion questions. cert

a follow-up from roger stone. also basically saying it is -- i would tell bannon but he doesn't call me back. and then he says "my book on the trump campaign will be out in january." and then finally on october 4th steve bannon e-mails roger stone, asking him "what was this morning?" and that was in reference to a press conference that julian assange had held and then of course roger stone replying "fear. serious security concern. he thinks they are going to kill him and the london police are standing done." which we actually think he means down. >> shimon, let me ask you. just the first one. the first one is actually from boyle to stone. right? >> that's right. >> and then stone replies to boyle. and then bannon replies to stone after he says he can't get in touch with bannon. >> yeah. >> sorry. go on. >> what's interesting here, don is we know steve bannon was in to see the mueller team on friday and he was presumably asked about these e-mails and other concerns about his contact with roger stone. what's not cle

he says roger stone didn't tell him about wikileaks. he wasn't told about the trump tower meeting between don junior and the russians and others. two questions for you. do you believe it? and, two, can robert mueller prove otherwise? >> i don't believe it, but my understanding is that he's couched this in legalese, which is to say to the best of my recollection or i don't recall. this is the reagan defense. and that does make it harder to pin him down as lying. as far as whether mueller can prove it, i think that mueller has way more information than he understands. the statement of offense that mueller was drafting for corsi in the plea agreement actually notes that corsi was in touch with person one, who was frequently in contact with then-candidate president trump, person one being roger stone. so i think that there is information there. as far as the trump tower meeting, you know, there are ways to corroborate whether he knew, like phone records, whether don junior called him before or after. so i think that there are ways to prove

stone, and that is the reason for the tweet, that would suggest that roger's stone to congress was not accurate, and he of course has denied that. >> and in talking to sources that i know who have been witnesses in that room with robert mueller's team, they have been looking for the potential back channel, and whether or not roger stone was the back channel between wikileaks and the trump campaign, and there are all of the questions about not only the tweet from roger stone p but the july 26th and 27th news conference where donald trump said seemingly out of nowhere, russia, if you are listenings, i would like to see hillary clinton's e-mails and that caught people off guard and why would he say that, and was it a quip back to a reporter or made up out of thin air or because he had some information from wikileaks or from somebody who knew wikileaks or some information about hillary clinton's e-mails that soon might be out there that piqued a lot of interest. roger stone has not been interviewed by the special counsel, and that is correct, right? >> that is our understanding, yes. >> an

what's not clear is if roger stone was actually serious in all of this. but certainly when you look at these e-mails, it is clear that roger stone, at the very least, was acting like he had some knowledge ahead of time -- ahead of time that julian assange was going to release these e-mails. certainly he's acting like he was some kind of conduit, had some back door communication here with julian assange. >> but does it prove, shimon, roger stone was a back channel link between wikileaks and the campaign? >> well, i mean, if you just look at these e-mails on their face, you can read a lot into it. it does seem that way, certainly from these e-mails. but we don't know exactly everything that the mueller team has and what other information they have. there are other e-mails from steve bannon where it seems he's not even taking roger stone seriously and they think he's kind of, you know, just acting like he knows things and just trying to get inside the trump campaign, and perhaps get onto donald trump's good side. it's really not clear because we don't have a

and roger stone responds, a load every week going forward. this was a reference to wikileaks and e-mails that might be coming forward. the truth is that wikileaks was saying some of this stuff publically. so it is not clear whether roger indeed had any kind of in with wikileaks, jim. it is clear that he was trying to set himself up as someone that had that kind of access. roger stone nowadays says he was just bluffing. he was just full of it. that's the problem with whether or not mueller can bring charges on this. if you were to ask me is roger stone going to get indicted, i don't know. roger stone seems to think he will and certainly we know that once the -- once the midterms are passed, we know we're going to hear again from mueller. so we shall see. >> thanks very much. there were a lot of other times that roger stone claimed to have advanced knowledge. >> exactly. so what does mueller believe of what he said. jeff, what is so fascinating? i remember interviewing roger stone the day after the president, you know, basically cutoff working

and this was not the only roger stone news today. "the wall street journal" >>> and the latest on the california wildfires as the trump delegation sidesteps the president's attacks. >> not pointing fingers. >>> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. news from the mueller investigation into roger stone on multiple front seat tonight. nbc news has exclusively obtained text messages between trump campaign adviser roger stone and his friend randy onfissrniacaie'sonce gos. againstone's foreknowledge of those wikileaks e-mail dumps. big news, according to the text messages provided by stone, now pretend you don't know me. you died five years ago, stone replied. create, he wrote back. hillary's campaign died a week later. and this was not the only roger stone news today. "the wall street journal" reporting the special counsel's office is now looking into possible witness intimidation by stone of that very witness, randy credico, something stone denies. stone who has already said he expects to be indicte

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and steve bannon, communication which roger stone denied, vehemently denied. tuesday he told the "washington post" there are no such communications and if bannon said they are, he would be desepl bling. >> the special counsel's theory of the entire case is conspiracy to defraud the united states and they have shown that by the indictments by the russian intelligence officers who were trying to defraud the united states out of a fair election. that's the big umbrella. there's another subset of things whether roger stone facilitated some of the hacking, and that seems less likely, but if he falls under the broad conspiracy under the efforts to defraud the united states that would be a charge in and of itself. what is interesting is this is the connection to the campaign and there's no way the trump campaign can somehow disavow steve bannon, he was an integral part of the campaign. these particular communications seem to be being released by stone himself, and so these are probably the communications that perhaps put him in the most favorable light. it's most lik

reporter: we saw roger stone speak out about this yesterday. he was saying that jerome corsi was essentially being pressured. he never had this or he had never had this conversation with jerome corsi. i think a lot of observers would look at this and say, roger stone is being nervous and if he knows that jerome corsi did not say this, it would mean he would have had to have conversation with him. i want, i would want to know and ensure that robert mueller and want to know what conversations the two are having throughout the process. jon: everyone assumes that this investigation is winding down now that the president has given written answers to some of the questions by robert mueller. former deputy assistant attorney general says the question is, where does this go next and who does it target? >> i think the real question is whether there is any inner-circle people left. the president cannot be indicted. while in office. we know that. so there it could be a report and make referral but it wouldn't go anywhere. even the political situation. the

it involved roger stone. sort of like the second act in mueller's investigation. >> betsy, the filing itself doesn't have a direct link at all to the special counsel probe. do you have any clues that suggest whether this might be related? >> we just don't know. i would feel a bit nervous speculating. one thing we know is people have thought there was a sealed indictment in the eastern district of virginia where this filing was made against julian assange. that's one of the major sources of concern of people in his orbit that that charge was already on the books. it's totally plausible that was there and it pre-dates the mueller investigation. all plausible this is a new thing. >> the cut and paste type of leaks is fascinating. we'll stay on the story. >>> up ahead, it's been a long week. who needs to fall back? the supremes mary wilson is here straight ahead. e supremes mary e straight ahead ♪ a moment of joy. a source of inspiration. an act of kindness. an old friend. a new beginning. some welcome relief..

just because roger stone says this in an interview -- look, roger stone, this is for sure. >> which he loves. >> public relations campaign is certainly different than what happens with your lawyers in an investigative sense when you're actually speaking to people who will hold your statements to account. >> i think that's what has to have the white house the most concerned, roger stones, what he knows, what he did. it always seemed to me that he's center of the problem here with respect to the actual substance of the mueller investigation, that actually it's a much weaker case against maybe president trump himself or some of the actual principles in the campaign but it's the association with roger stone, you know, the original dirty tricks guy and the fact that nobody really knows what he knew, what he did. that has to be really just very concerning, that unknown that we've been talking about. president trump is losing control of things in washington. this is something, i think, corsi talks here, as another example of how he's continuing to lose control of something he doesn't have con

roger stone is a dirty trickster. there's no reason to believe he would change his ways when his best pal is running for president and he has information that he wouldn't have told donald trump. the same intuition that jill wine-banks had and i and others had. >> who could believe not long ago that this whole thing about this president and how he got to be president and how the russians helped him had to do with old nixon trickster, roger stone? thank you u.s. congressman eric swalwell and jill wine-banks. you are amazing. thank you for coming on. >>> coming up, as the president lobs attacks on special counsel robert mueller, senate republicans have blocked a vote on a bill to protect mueller. what will this mean for the russia probe? by the way, talk about a protection racket being run by mitch mcconnell. >>> plus, democrats in the house voted on the future of their party, and nancy pelosi won the first round. she's the nominee for speaker. we'll see if she gets the job on january 3rd. how much deal making went into

and this was not the only roger stone news today. "the wall street journal" reporting the special counsel's office is now looking into possible witness intimidation by stone of that very witness, randy credico, something stone denies. stone who has already said he expects to be indicted went on laura ingram's radio show to try, once again, to rewrite history. >> to date there is no evidence whatsoever of russian collusion or wikileaks collaboration, or any proof or evidence that i knew in advance the source or the content of allegedly stolen or allegedly hacked e-mails published by wikileaks. i never predicted anything of the kind, nor heard any such thing from jerry corsi who is a great researcher and a writer and a friend of mine. so it's a witch hunt. >> witch hunt. get all that? he didn't know what, he didn't know, quote, in advance the source or the content of stolen e-mails published by wikileaks. that is, one should note, quite different from not knowing it was coming. those texts provided by stone to nbc news ostensibly to vi

that clip that you just saw was roger stone associate,

the question is, is this really a president trump issue or a roger stone problem. >> right. it will be fascinating to see what mueller's team has at this point. cnn's laura jarrett. thank you very much. >>> tonight a key house democrat is vowing to hold president trump accountable for siding with the saudi crown prince over u.s. intelligence on the murder of jamal khashoggi. jeff zeleny is in south florida tonight where the president is spending the weekend at mar-a-lago resort. add schiff plans to investigate this when he becomes chairman of the house intelligence committee, yet another investigation for the president. >> reporter: indeed, jim. good evening. even as the president is embracing the saudi leadership moran more, moran -- more and more, he is learning that other it are criticizing. the president is trying to get a break here this weekend, spending time on the golf course. as he is doing that, he is getting a fresh taste of what is to come in the new world order when democrats take over in january. tonight the white house could be contending with another investig

they wanted to know why was roger stone -- was roger, in fact, fired. they wanted to know how often did they communicate, they wanted, what was his involvement with getting paul manafort hired. what was roger's relationship with the campaign, what did he tell you? look, roger had a lot of problems with the campaign in terms of personal grievances. things like that. >> let's remember, this is an important point that sam just made. we know that mueller has asked and paul manafort's attorneys have asked for more time for their status report to the court, and we know that he was, in fact, helped into the position of chairman of the campaign by roger stone. >> i got to get in some georgia news. real quick. >> the idea that sam is acknowledging the question was whether or not roger stone was really fired from the campaign is really critical, because what it looks like is, that was a ruse for him to go underground and be in a spot where he had plausible deniability that wouldn't be related to the campaign. >> i don't know that the public facts go that far but

roger stone is a bs artist. >> not familiar with that. >> he puffs up his importance. one of the things when you talk to people about roger, the phrase you hear is, oh, that's just roger. that may be an advantage in the current situation because his boasting about his inside knowledge of wikileaks may legitimately be a lie and that may actually help him avoid getting charged because he may not have had inside information about wikileaks but was simply bragging about it to steve bannon, and that's what is pe peculiar and interesting about this situation. >> i did not go to law school but went to the school of life, jeffrey. it's not illegal to lie to journalist but is it to lie to congress, and he told direct lies about the steve bannon e-mails this week, and so it makes you wonder what he told congress back then. >> he denied any involvement with wikileaks or the trump campaign on this subject, that is his potential problem. if he did know about wikileaks' bad activities, that in itself is not a crime. it's not a crime to know about a crime and fail to report it. as is

stone, including roger stone who has talked about how that might happen next. you and your colleagues have reported on how he might be this missing link in trying to prove some sort of conspiracy between the russians and the trump campaign. we have some of the text between roger stone and randy credico where they seem to be talking about a coordinated effort to hurt hillary clinton's campaign. do you have -- i'll read these if folks are in their car. randy credico, big news wednesday. now pretend you don't know me. roger stone writes, assumingly jokingly, you died five years ago. then writes hillary clinton's campaign will die this week. you spent a lot of time on both prongs of the mueller investigation. where do you see the significance of a potential stone indictment, if it should come this week on the collusion side. >> who are these people that were around him and who was he talking to? i've struggled to get my head around it. but what it really comes down to is one simple thing. was roger stone someone that boasted and bragged about connections to assange

roger stone goes to get information from wikileaks to get these e-mails. corsi goes to wikileaks to get that information. gets back to roger stone with information about the podesta e-mails, and their times. stone makes public statements about the timing of the podesta release. stone is in contact with donald trump directly, and then of course the e-mails are dumped and dumped at times that are optimal for the trump campaign. when you look at that constellation of facts and all the links between these different characters, it is either an extraordinary, extraordinary coincidence or what is what collusion looks like. this is why the president tries to deny collusion, because these facts are pretty damning. >> here is an e-mail to roger stone on august 2nd. this is obviously before the election. this is even before the wikileaks materials become public. word is, friend in embassy. we assume that means julian assange. two more dumps. second is in october. impact, plan to be very damaging. time to let more than the clinton campaign chairman, john podesta, to b

one of roger stone's associates in talks with robert mueller for a plea deal. they believe lethal force on the border after a fiery west wing conversation over his powers. the house will investigate whether his personal financial dealings are tied to the saudis and a murder. young, rich, and loyal. the man who might become the president's next chief of staff. we are beginning with breaking news and an associate of roger stone in plea negotiations with special counsel robert mueller.