he's from breitbart, he's the host of breitbart . i really loved him. >> i can't that at all. >> nice to meet you. [inaudible] >> is that what you were tweeting? you're very activeon twitter . [inaudible] >> i can't pronounce your name. >> you are a drinker, i've got to go to the bar. >> high. good to meet you. i see your competition. [inaudible] >> they bring their rivals together. >> i'm coming for take back the night or whatever it's called. >> that's tonight. >> i'm coming back for a couple of the people there. [inaudible] it's after labor day. >> he's a big troublemaker. >> a small child kicks my drink over but it wasn't my fault . no ice, a little bit of white wine please. >> it would be more white wine and club soda. >> and i have water please? >> tell me your name again. >> it's so great. i knew your little thumbnail sketch. >> a final organization you work for. i must say, breitbart is totally killing it. all my friends go to breitbart. >> everyone tells me that privately. >>. >> i just ran into, i don't know if you met him

i will ask you another element of the google story, several google employees plotted to get rid of breitbart after the 2016 election, labeled the resist, google employees discussed how they could use the "hate speech" and fake news labels to justifyd cutting off breitbart's ad revenues. this is kind of the stuff of conservative fever dreams that google would be actually doing something like this. are you surprised by it? and what can be done?e? >> a, i am not surprised, google is denying it, but there is extensive evidence that they did it. and they did it in two ways. one way was after the election as you mentioned a number of excitable left-wing google executives and employees tried to squeeze breitbart and other conservative outlets into this hate speech category. they then confessed that after a lot of effort that was really tough. so they also did a two pronged approach, and having their ad people contact customers and tell them that it might be dangerous or a bad idea to advertise or allow the ads to be placed on conservative news websites like breitbart and others. and pointed to some

then rollcall and breitbart news and memphis business journal and breitbart news and breitbart. like you are overly using conservative news organizations on your news. lou: you don't suppose that was orchestrated in any way do you? there's a leading radical dam on the committee, jerry nadler himself soon to be chairman. bending over backwards to defend his corporate overlord. >> , first dispense with a completely illegitimate issue which is the fantasy turned up by some conservatives that google and other online platforms have anti- conservative bias. as i have said repeatedly no credible evidence supports this right-wing conspiracy theory. lou: he left out fast. it would be a vast right-wing - anyway, with just a forgive the expression google search of our own we did find that last year pressman nadler received more than $26,000 from google's parent company. now that support and obviously they got what they paid for. google is also a major employer in nadler's district find an office building this year in new york city were a total of 2.4 billion, small price to pay, for his su

instance of possible political bias from his employees beating now from the discussion that occurred over breitbart and google ads and i'm quoting from one of your employees who purportedly posted anyone want to hold their nose and look through breitbart dot com for hate speech why would someone you to hold their nose to do that work congressman today we have ninety thousand employees and they communicate in forums as a company we have a lot of freedom of expression and other heated topic was the source of google's trust flag or the southern poverty law center which gomer insisted was also biased the southern poverty law center really has started up more hate than about any other group i know the house majority leader kevin mccarthy question if google was an instrument of freedom or an instrument of control and manipulation it put the child on the spot at the very beginning in terms of google being used to strengthen china's surveillance but time maintains the company has no plans right now to launch a censored search engine in china and even though many agree there were various issues within googl

curt, you used to work at bri t breitbart before you left. and i've within thinking of the ways that out of breitbart, fox news and others are really calling the shots. i mean, it's not an overstatement to say we are in a government shutdown because rush limbaugh, breitbart and ann colter were upset he didn't get his wall. >> we lad a deal. it passed unanimously to avert a shutdown. and as soon as they went after it, donald trump blinked. he has such a narrow group of support right now, chris, he can't afford to lose any of those people. if he loses any of the coalition he has left, it's over for him. there's nothing that would stand in the way of him and impeachment. >> that's i think it's part of a wr broader phenomenon. republicans are just more scared of their base than democrats are. that's a median environment. there was reporting about the last shutdown, when democrats worried about how the mainstream media would cover it. republicans weren't. they are scared of their base and the media environment that their base listens to. >> that's

basis and it google also discourages its advertisers from advertising on conservative platforms like breitbart and others. google search engine has labeled the california republican party as having ideology and republican women as enablers. it's the most despicable, defamatory work and it's all protected by the communications decency act which members of congress could certainly edit and change, but they don't. i'm very disappointed in our government and its failure to act on these issues. >> tucker: so as you pointed out very quickly, these companies operate the way they do because they have a special exemption from the congress which could revoke that exception because they are not platforms, their media companie companies. name if you wouldn't since we are alive now, three or four members of congress who might lead the charge against this. >> well, i don't think any members of congress currently have identified themselves as being hostile to this but, jim jordan certainly seems to be somebody who is familiar with these issues and matt gaetz matt gaetz is another. i think these guys are sens

you used to work at breitbart before you left. i've been thinking about the ways in which breitbart fox news and others are calling the shots, like we -- it's not an overstatement to say we are in a government shutdown now because rush limbaugh, ann coulter and fox news were upset the president didn't get his wall. >> we had a deal, and as soon as the ann coulters and rush limb balks went enplektic over it, donald trump changed. if he loses any part of his coalition he has left, it's over for him. >> betsy, that's the way he's thinking about it. but i also think it's a broader phenomena, republicans are just much more scared of their base than democrats. partly that's the media environment. there was reporting about the last shutdown, and republicans weren't worried because their base doesn't believe any of it any way. but what they are scared of is their base and the media environment that their base listens to. >> i think that's accurate. another piece of this that's important is the way the shutdown played out points to the asc

he has had this kind of relationship with the conservative media, breitbart, limbaugh, fox for a very long time. when and if they turn on him, it's cataclysmic. it's who he listens to. that's the whisper in his ear, not a whisper a lot of times but a shout. and it's who his base listens to and follows. if anything, as we've seen through the trump presidency, his base has been pretty darn rock solid. so if the foundation under the base starts to crack, that's a serious problem. you just showed limbaugh. ann coulter's column was positively devastating, gutless president in a wallless country she wrote, calling him a douche bag, a gigantic douche bag and she said -- i want to read this. either trump never intended to build the wall and was scramming voters all along or he has no idea how to get it done and zero interest in finding out. michael, i think that it's not just criticism. it's withering criticism from the core, from the foundation on which he's built everything. >> selena, i get the argument that you make that the trump coalition these days includes a variety of component parts

me to fathom being on msnbc for like 8 minutes each show, four times, and there is more content on breitbart news than msnbc. that might say something about it -- well, i'm not going to say that. >> pichai also tried to reassure lawmakers on capitol hill. he told them that at no point has they sold user data, and more portly, here is coming so they don't have any intentions to move forward. they aren't even working on a project with china to custom tailor make a search engine that will accommodate the chinese government's censorship. that's a big new story coming out here so far. the one so a lot of people are getting it wrong? >> so far, that is what pichai has said pretty told multiple lawmakers, democrats and republicans, that this is not happening. >> harris: okay. gillian turner with the news. thank you very much fred i want to bring in republican king, congressman matt gaetz of florida, system house judiciary committee, questioning the google ceo today. we have to suspend belief that democrats and republicans got the facts right, according to mr. pichai. >> i guess we can believe mr. p

news and then business journal and breitbart. it looks like you're overly using conservative news organizations on your news. i would like you to look into overusing conservative news organizations on liberal news on google. if you would let me know about that, i would appreciate it. >> we get consensus on both sides of the aisle. i assure you we do this in neutral ways. we do this on a specific keyword. >> pichai was also asked numerous questions about data and privacy protection which i want to talk about my next guest, founding and managing partner. i don't know how legitimate the questions of bias are. they might be very legit my. that seemed to be what congress was concentrating on but there are issues of bias and privacy and issues of the use of people's data. i feel like congress is sort stuck in the past in the way they manage these things. what should we be discussing when it comes to congress's interest in these digital companies? >> that's a jedi level question. can i start by meeting congress where they are? >> fair e

conventional republicans, even some democrats who worked there, and more breitbart type of worldview that people like steve bannon have. it is less clear how the divide still a lothere is of testimony there. bunkerink there is a mentality that has taken hold, especially over the last 8, 10 months. that makes it less likely that speak againstll each other and want their drama spelling out in the press. >> soon to be at with a book after the campaign. when do you think it will be out? >> >> this week, join washington journal for authors week, featuring one live segment with a new author, beginning at a: 30 in eastern, monday, the author, or in cap. -- orren. it'sdnesday, allender show derschowitz talks about his book. the book " sex matters." chris.ay, the author, eek",us for "author's w each morning on washington journal. >> president trump i melania trump take part in the national christmas tree lighting. ornaments fromre in theate, territory country. calvin coolidge lit the first tree back in 1943. president trump: merry christmas everyone. merry christmas. it is great to be with yo

conservative websites how many times did you see the election now card with our sims from opinion blogs breitbart daily caller elevated next to legitimate news organizations that's something that can and should be fixed and i think to see him. here just an innocent chat between some employees about how to manipulate search results which google absolutely one hundred percent does not do anymore there was that fact check feature which appeared to spend quite a lot of time targeting conservative websites only and repeatedly attribute it false claims to those websites even though it never made them in the first place but that's being removed now anyway so no harm done but wait there was that other time that google and you tube chose to simply ban conservative channels it doesn't like very much even you also truly r t and our colleagues at sputnik have been the ranked the google guys clearly not fond of questioning more and the cherry on top of this rotten sunday is actually getting fined billions of dollars by the e.u. and twenty seventeen for what oh manipulating search results i would say a good ti

speech and you want to hold the news and look through broad don't come from hate speech e-mail said breitbart was quote on their radar and that google had a moral argument according to pinch i though google employees had no means of manipulating search results it's not possible for an individual employee groups of him plough you demanding plate or so it's just so you know we have a robust framework including many steps in the process whether or not there are actually procedural problems that google the company embodies a much bigger problem one highlighted by a protester who came to the testimony in the monopoly man's clothes but lou didn't seem to think a monopoly. information was the problem he'd rather pin the blame on people who don't do positive things if you want positive search results do positive things if you don't want to research results don't do not do things and do so my colleagues across the aisle of you getting bad press articles and bad search results don't blame google or facebook or twitter consider blaming yourself so as lou continues to take criticism from the media and tw

news, then the memphis brings journal then breitbart, then breitbart. it looks like you are overly using conservative news organizations on your news. i'd like you to look into that, to put on liberal people's news on google. >> we do get consents across both sides of the aisle, i can assure you we do this in a neutral way, we do this based on the specific key word, what we are able -- >> it's hard for me to fathom being on msnbc for eight minutes, and there's more content on breitbart news than msnbc. that may say something about -- well, i'm not going to say that. it's scary. thank you, sir. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from ohio, mr. jordan for five minutes. >> thank you. in your opening statement, you said i lead this company without political bias and work to ensure that our products operate that way. ilea ileana mother morillo is head of marketing. does miss morillo do good work? >> i'm not familiar with her work. >> you praised her work, the day after the 2016 election, in a four-page e-mail she wrote, even sondar gave us a shoutout. >>

it isn't just breitbart. western journal and some other. we have an overt expression of political bias and using this incredible monopoly system that they have of searching to crush their competitors. political competitors. that's a real problem in a free republic like we have. >> sandra: so we'll learn a lot more here. the timing is really interesting on all of that, right? apparently they were speaking to block breitbart less than one month after president trump took office. that will be key coming from lawmakers. got to ask you about the incoming house judiciary chair jerry nadler talking about the allegations made in the michael cohen memo. he said if true they're impeachable offenses and some talking about jail time for the president. what do you make of these suggestions coming from your colleagues in the house? >> there is a lot of them. first of all just remember the day after president trump won the election democrats were already seeking to impeach him and filed three resolutions to impeach president trump. the second thing i woul

how often did you see them elevated like breitbart and daily caller elevated next to legitimate news organizations. it's partially what got us into this mess. msnbc is not more legit than drudge, just bus rachel maddow may be more educated, less deplorable and closer to our views than, say, sean hannity. this is contrary to the whole reason people use google. i'm howard kurtz. thanks for watching. check out my podcast "media buzzmeter." we kick around the days fascinating stories on my podcast. we post a lot of original content on my facebook page. and let's continue the conversation on twitter. we are back here next sunday morning. remember the time, 11:00 eastern. we'll see you then for >> it's all about what you can do for me. it's a fear -based leadership and that just begins this journey that is entirely about logics. see mac. >> it is monday december 10. happening right now at 4:00 a.m. president trump blasting leaking james comay. democrats are now taking out the pitch forks pushing for jail time for the president. they are expected today. as president and manual mccrone

counterparts however for journalists it was the opposite with those working at right leaning publications like breitbart or the daily mail being cited in sixty four percent more abusive tweets than those with left leaning publications life in new york times now the study is nowhere near perfect or complete keep in mind that tweets that had already been deemed problematic by twitter would have already been taken down and not included in the data but now we have to wonder what any of this data will mean for twitter who has buried their heads about the targeted harassment of women for so long it seems unlikely that they would even be able to pull their heads out of the sand joining us now to help us understand this study even more is watching the social media producer devon springer thank you so much thank you for having me so i mean as a woman obviously it's not just twitter this is happened everywhere so we know that . what. as twitter's response to this study well i think twitter's response has been disappointing but not surprising if you've been paying attention this is essentially been a problem with

anyone want to hold their nose and look through breitbart dot com for hate speech the e-mails show google employees discussing how approving bright but uses hate speech is going to be tough and how the site's very much on their radar that there's a moral argument to be had further the misuse of the data the month off to president trump took office which has led to accusations of liberal bias separately to a google c.e.o. just this week defended how the company hunted is generally a search results of the u.s. house judiciary committee it's not possible for an individual employee or groups of him floyd to manny plate are so it's just so sad you know we have a robust framework including many steps in the process american international studies professor jerry socmen told us he thinks monopoly structures like google suppress diversity in public opinion this raises the whole question of free speech you know america. which already is in decline. the freedom house in the. united states has been steadily growing. in the free press and other of their major and other indicators for free speech there

standing up for something he said during the campaign which is get the wall built, a physical barrier, breitbart writing the big beautiful border wall promise during the 2016 campaign being built as a see-through barrier of steel slats, the point to the president's description calling a trump's turn around, comes after hill democrats used their leverage among trump's outreach deputies to block construction of his favorite concrete wall. has the wall changed? is the president making a concession? >> walls work. we see it in san diego and yuma and everywhere we have that infrastructure dropping 95%. the president will continue to advocate for the men and women of what border patrol say they needed this is what it is, a physical infrastructure along with the technology to go to it. the important thing to understand is there are 2000 miles of border. what we need in one location is not the same as what we need another location. in some places we have a levee wall, the wall is going to meet the operational requirements as described and articulated by border patrol agent said that is what the presiden

i feel slightly absurd being here as the representative of all news media all the way from breitbart to the nation. willaving said that, i generalize. i think as a general rule, we are better at covering events within institutions. we are better at covering politics and policy. both there is a tendency brought forth by the acceleration of everything, thanks to the internet can muster your deadline -- you do not have time to reflect on stories very much. of not beingessure that deeply educated in the subject. there is a tendency to oversimplify. and that leads to stereotyping. i do think the media generally has gotten better. and having been part of the problem for so long, it is about time we were part of the solution. takeld of course like to credit for the martial project having stimulated this interest, but i think ferguson had something to do with it. a lot of highly publicized episodes of videos of cops shooting black men and boys had something to do with it. who are the activists represented on this panel had something to do with it. is, ie news coverage think incrementally bet

thing that comes up is the daily caller, not exactly a liberal or well-known group, then rollcall, then breitbart news. the overuse of conservative news organizations to put a liberal people news on google. >> reporter: knowing he would be on the hot seat he came prepared to reassure lawmakers and armed with big promises he told them google hasn't ever sold user data to a third party nor will it in the future. whether it was enough to will a concerns over privacy is unclear. >> google knows that i am moving over there. it is not a trick question. you make $100 million a year would you commit to hear in article 12 of the declaration of human rights relating to privacy of individual emails? >> it is an important individual right, important human right and we are committed to that. >> reporter: jillian turner, fox news. heather: suspected terrorists on the run after killing three people at a christmas market in france. anthony dennis general anthony tate a says this is an example of globalist policies at work and proof we need better immigration control. these live up next. talk about breaking the b

>> a lot of the stories were from breitbart, so there's now what's being called synergy, and there was a kind of informal collusion, if you're singing off the same choir book, right? the solution, as always, is public education. you know, and that sounds like a -- kind of a feel-good sort of thing. but if people become media litera literate, that can, over time, if we can incorporate that into curricula, people will stop believing everything. older people are less media literate than younger people. younger people know a lot of what they see online is bull. older people are more credulous and more likely to believe it. so that's hope for the future is that younger people do have a sense that they can't just take at face value -- >> a lot of this information was made to look like it came from local news, because the russians new that local news was more trusted in this country, not made to look like national news. but made to look like the more trusted outlets we have in this country. >> which also to follow up, there's two major issues i found very concerning right now. one, we have a

so-called mainstream media by politicians and the archipelago of accusation, the likes of limbaugh, breitbart, daler call caller and fox. the 19th century poet sir william watson said hate and mistrust are the children of blindness. i guess, but hate and mistrust are also the children of good vision because there is the glory of the free press and then there are the things that we must answer for, access journalism. horse race coverage, staged cable punditry and pyrotechnics, false balance, routine, anonymous sourcing. endless speculation, cozy relationships with sources, click bait, gossip, bending over backwards to seem less shrill or partisan, carelessness amid breaking news and then, every now and then one of us like judy miller gets played into helping start a war and then every now and then someone like jack kelly or stephen glass or janet cook or jason blair or brian williams gets caught just making shit up and then there are the outlets that look just like a news organization, but are really lie factories. the point being, while terrifying the subject, is not so cut and dry and i impl

first thing that comes up is the daily collar, not exactly a liberal well-known group at rollcall and breitbart news. the overuse of conservative news organizations to put on google. >> reporter: knowing he would be on the hot seat he reassured lawmakers and armed with big promises telling them google hasn't ever sold user data nor will it in the future. whether it was enough to allay concerns over privacy is unclear. >> google knows -- it is not a trick question. you make $100 million a year, would you commit to adhering to article 12 of the declaration of human rights protecting sovereignty of individual emails? >> privacy is an important individual right, important human right, we are committed to a holding that. >> and addressed dragonfly, google's super secret project to develop a search engine for china where the government had content. months working on a prototype and insisted they have no plans to launch it, the first public acknowledgment of involvement in the project. shannon: thank you very much. a loved member of the fox news family, charles krauthammer passed away, his son is work

so-called mainstream media by politicians and the archipelago of accusation, the likes of limbaugh, breitbart, daily caller and fox. but that's not the end end of e story. the 19th century poet sir william watson did very poor said he and mistrust with the children of blindness. i guess, but hate and mistrust are also the children of good vision, because there's the glory of the free press and then there are the things that we must answer for. access journalism, horserace coverage, staged table punditry and pyrotechnics, false balance, routine anonymous sourcing, endless speculation, cozy relationships with sources, clickbait, gossip, then you go over backwards to seem less shrill or partisan, carelessness amid breaking news. and then every now and then one of us, like judy miller, gets played into helping start a war. and then every now and then some like jack kelly or stephen class or jenna cook or jason blair or brian williams gets caught just making shit up. and then there are the outputs that look just like a news organization but are really lie factories. the point being well terrifying