tennesseans like howard baker, bill frick and our colleague lamar alexander. all about national reputations as leaders but after working with bob i could not feel more comfortable saying he himself will become a part of that great tennessee legacy. he has met that high bar and send it high himself. no senator could turn his or her attention to some important initiative. some dead end negotiation. national problem. then you would see bob corker diving into the fray and attacking the problem with everything he had. the limitless work ethic, entrepreneurial drive, these things defined bob corker since long before he was sworn in as a senator. he started working odd jobs at age 13. he cofounded his own construction company and strike out for himself. that firm grew from an $8000 mark into a major operations expand a dozen states. bob was constantly sniffing out opportunities and attacking them with vigor. them close to him had addiction to the feeling of a closing handshake. the needs were met. a deal was done. both parties walk away happy. the term workaholic mig

howard baker is the enemy. he went on to beat the chief of staff. history never comes back to that profiling. he got his car comes from the capital to the oval office to tell the president you're right, i want to help. >> think about the idea of putting the country first. you those parties, i would say that. let's get to a few more questions. >> pushy panel. >> there is no question that carter had everybody surprised. legislative like what he had. we did have a reasonably successful legislative program. i'll never forget when i had to give a speech in 1979 in detroit. it had a bunch of suburban news papers. i to have a drink with people who were reporters. this five or six newspapers. they said, you suck. i said, how do you know? they tell us you suck. we had the most productive session in american history. we passed a lot of great things. a very good example, piece of legislation, it would not give jimmy carter in the middle of his reelection. while i completely agree that we had a successful legislative program, we did not have a political success

naval academy, member of the board of trustees at the brooking institution, and howard h. baker jr. center for public policy at the university of tennessee. so, he's enormously well- qualified, that's my comment about mr. arthur b. culvahouse, jr. . now, a short comment about australia, a country to which he has been nominated to be ambassador. my family lived there in 1987 for six months, and at a dinner there, i heard the governor general of australia talk about the relationship between the u.s. and his country. he said it is a happy accident of fate that the constitution of the united states is being signed in 1787, just as our first fleet was sailing eastward across the atlantic from rio to capetown on the third leg of its ten-months long voyage. the fleet carried a cargo of convicts who would have been on their way to georgia the united states had not the american revolution succeeded and denied the british the opportunity to send their prisoners to america. then, he went on. the weeks between our two nations, australia and united states have evolved from earliest times. our pi

howard baker was in that field. that was an amazing field. >> howard baker, bob dole, bill crane. >> that's right. >> bill crane. >> our friend from south dakota, larry pressler ran for governor. don't forget that. >> i was in new hampshire with the night of george bush and i was surprised and he was a deer in headlines when railroad railroad brought him in -- ronald reagan said i brought him here and president bush didn't have a response to that. i paid for this microphone, it was mr. green. and david broder turned to me and said this race is over. i will always remember that. >> did you know that in the minute? >> yes, of course. reagan said, i paid for that microphone, mr. green but the guy's name was breen. we knew it was over at that point, you bet. >> all right. secretary baker, it's always a pleasure to see you. i've got to talk to you twice in the last few days. i feel privileged. >> it's always a pleasure. >> good luck to you on thursday. it's not easy. >> not when you have been a close friend for 60 years.

our distinguished colleague has a long history of impressing senators howard baker, and of course, our colleague lamar alexander. with the great tennessee legacy he met that high bar and set a high himself and with that initiative some and then to dive into the fray and attacking the problem with everything he had. that limitless work ethic and that entrepreneurial drive. these things have defined bob corker since long before he was sworn in as a s senator. he started to work odd jobs at age 13 and at 25 he saved enough money to found his own construction company that grew from an 8000-dollar lark to a major operation spanning a dozen states. bob was a natural he was constantly sniffing out opportunities along the way it is now joked as in addition one - - an addiction to the closing handshake. the needs were met, a deal was done in both word walk away happy. workaholic is putting it mildly. told after one particularly harrowing negotiation bob explained one - - exclaimed i would sell it back to him if i could turn around and buy it again. he did not necessarily always aspired to publi

baker and bob dole and others. to become the last mang with ronald reagan. therefore, ended up being his vice president. so, he was a man of great capacity, he was a man of great tenderness and sensitivity. he was someone said the last gentleman that we've had as president. >> brennan: why was it so important for you to be by his side. >> because we've been friend for 60 years, that's fairly long period of time. we were doubles partners together here in houston. we won tennis championships, i knew him well before he ever even got into politics when he was a businessman. he was my daughter's godfather. i ran everyone of his caaieside. ve clo he referred to me oftentimes as his best friend. he said our relationship was one of big brother, little brother, which was a great honor as far as i was concerned. >> which one were you? >> i was the little brother. i was very happy for georgue h. w. bush to refer to me as his little brother. we were extremely close, margaret. and from the very -- almost from the very time we m

he gave pep talks to his rag-tag bipartisan band of brothers, dick lugar, howard baker, fritch hawlings from across the aisle, trying to keep everyone in the works. it worked. they won, and american prosperity was kept safe from a big power grab by union bosses. it only seems fitting decades later the other end of orrin's senate tenure would also be marked by major hard-won, right of center accomplishments for prosperity for all americans. orrin might have chaired three of the senate's most distinguished and critical committees -- the help committee, judiciary, and most recently finance. and this congress, as finance chairman, he led the charge to deliver once in a generation tax relief to middle-class american families and tax reform to american job creators. more late nights. more painstaking negotiations. chairman hatch had to thread the needle, attending carefully to his colleagues' needs and keeping their eyes on the prize. and once again, he got it done. so what about the decades in between these two bookmarks? first and foremost may be senator hatch's special devotion to the fede

i called the white house and spoke to the chief of staff, howard baker. they carried the message forward. there were some other things there were disagreements on. i often was able to get right to the president to express it. host: do you think this president accepts disagreements? guest: yes, no i think c starts with a presumption he is right. he is just more forward about it. i have spoken to the president on one or two occasions, raised questions and issues. yes, there is a lot of self-confidence in this president. again, he has very strong views on things. but this notion you could not talk to him with a different point of view, i don't think it is right. i am not a close advisor but i know people who do speak with him and they say he is open to ideas but begins with a strong presumption in favor of his own. host: bill bennett our guest is bill bennett. this is what number book? guest: five. host: why saint nicholas? west: i thought needed to remember were saint nicholas came from. he was born in asia minor. his parents died when he was young. they le

difference between him and me though is he, having served as education secretary and worked here under howard baker and then having had a chance to work with and watch and listen to george herbert walker bush firsthand has the advantage over me. i certainly know the bush family and president bush 41 from my experience in texas. they were the dominant family in influence and politics in texas, certainly during the time i grew up in politics, but i appreciate the comments the senator from tennessee has made. he and i had a conversation about what our side of the aisle needs to do more in the area of supporting public education, which is, i think, probably at the top of the list of most people's concerns, and certainly when you look at what happened in the mid-term elections, particularly in the suburbs, and you talk to people about what motivated them one way or the other, education had to be high up on that list and we simply need to try to find a way to work together to come up with creative ways we can demonstrate our support for public education and i think our constituents will respond ver

baker, slo tennessean. howard took a risk in hiring me right out of law school to be as legislative chief assistant. although i was recommended to him by then-tennessee lawyer named lamar alexander. howard later took me with him to the reagan white house, where he recommended to president reagan that i be appointed counsel to the president, when howard became white house chief of staff. it was there for my privilege to work in a white house led by two american presidents, president ronald reagan, of course, and then vice president president george h.w. bush, whom we honored this week. i very much appreciate centered or alexander's introduction. more than that, i appreciate our long-standing friendship. i'm likewise grateful, mr. chairman for your friendship and support. i would be remiss if i didn't pay tribute to your stellar service to the senate and to our home state. more than anything, i treasure my three daughters and sarah miles, elizabeth and anne. i am thankful that if i am confirmed, they will con

i was volunteering for him in '78 when he was running against ronald reagan and howard baker. he's our last world war ii president. when i saw those midshipmen singing, i thought of an 18-year-old george bush flying in a plane, splashing it down twice. that's before he became college. and when he became president, his war cabinet was there, dick cheney, colin powell, and then you look forward to the cabinet today, mike pompeo served under him as commander in chief. defense secretary mattis was under him in the gulf war. john bolton was an assistant attorney general at the department of justice. bushies are everywhere. john roberts was his deputy solicitor attorney general, for goodness sake. >> yeah. michael, you brought up another point, the president's service. it's interesting, when he was president, it was something i believe four of the last five presidents had all served. now four of the last five presidents have not served, reagan, clinton, w., obama, now this one. five of the last six. it is interesting, we were in this sort of -- we do this historically. we go to -- a

i long for the days of sam irvin and howard baker during the watergate time when you had very esteemed people on both sides and they weren't playing the political cards. it wasn't i'm a republican, therefore i'm always going to support the president, i'm the democrat, i'm always going to oppose the president. it was a sense of real statesmen working together and trying to serve the american people as a whole. >> but, senator -- >> i didn't see that today but i long for it. >> how do you explain this current group of republicans? >> i don't -- i'm not going to tee off on republicans or on democrats because i think that, you know, it takes two to make a problem and i think you see that every day, when it's as though the republicans as a party line up on one side, the democrats as a party line up on the other side on everything and it not just, you know, the trump situation, it's on, for example, confirmation votes where regularly the vote on the confirmation, not talking about kavanaugh, but any confirmation is like 51-49. it's a straight party line vote. so there is a total break down o

lamar alexander comes out of the group spawned by howard baker. it was a particularly successful group of politicians that tennessee kept sending to washington and came to do real work. they came to compromise, when necessary. they were not overly ideological, but in a constructively way. as you have seen now, this latest announcement, bob corker leaving and term limited as governor. you can see it coming for the last three or four years in tennessee. this really does put the end point on it or the exclamation point. >> well played. the exclamation point. we can disagree with the politics sometimes and you use the term real work. they viewed their job to do something as opposed to just do nothing. next, a federal judge in texas delivers a win on obamacare. might it actually backfire? once i started looking for it was a no-brainer. i switched to geico and saved hundreds. that's a win. but it's not the only reason i switched. the geico app makes it easy to manage my policy. i can pay my bill, add a new driver, or even file a claim. woo, hey now! tha

. >> i'm going to say, i remember when howard baker got the call. he was taking himself out of contention to run for president. >> people only take that job if, you know, they're going to have the authority to do the job and it's a reasonable chance of success. in the trump white house, neither one of those things are true. the son-in-law and daughter are floating powers behind the scene who cannot be controlled, cannot be brought into any discipline structure and of course, most of all, the president is erratic, uncontrollable and, you know, possibly involved in a criminal conspiracy. so none of that adds up to the kind of opportunity that any reasonable person would want as white house chief of staff. >> the other thing that's beginning to happen. you see it with the votes coming up on yemen. t look at marco rubio on the subject of pardons this weekend. >> i believe it would be a terrible mistake. you know, pardons should be used jus judiciously. they're used with cases in extraordinary circumstances and i haven't heard the white house is thinking

bob corker and i have followed the old rule that senator howard baker and senator robert byrd followed. i won't surprise you if you won't surprise me. we not only didn't surprise each other, we looked out for each other. we respected each other's work. we didn't always agree. our staffers saw that. so they worked the same way. and i'm convinced the people of tennessee why are were the beney of that because when they approached the corker staff and the alexander staff or either one of us, i think that found that one plus one equals three, not two. and that the people for whom we worked are the beneficiaries. peyton manning once said that he hoped bob corker would serve in the united states until he was 100 years old. i think that was really to get people to quit asking peyton manning to run for the united states senate because he knew better than to get involved. and while i was -- i am looking forward to working with marsha blackburn, who is bob corker's successor, i'll have to admit that i agree with peyton manning. bob corker has done as a united states senator what every tennesseean

baker but now you have marshall blackburn, much more hard line, loyal, will salute to donald trump and a shift in tennessee republican politics. is there not? >> lamar is a good friend. i worked for him twice and a giant in tennessee politics. the only tennesseean ever been elected senator and a big deal in tennessee politics. he used to say what they said where he grew up, my daddy fought with the union and i vote the way i shot. republican. so that is a tradition. as you say, going back to baker, that is no longer driving a majority of the republican party particularly in the sun belt. i know lamar is a very thoughtful legislature and works quietly behind the scenes in a bipartisan way and still got two years left to raise hell without a potential primary general election. so his tennessee day is not over and a positive impact going forward. interested in a conservative base but realistic solution to fix the aca. >> we should point out. also a former education secretary. a cabinet member in the bush administration. >> and presidential candidate. >> a great pianist. he can sit there a

baker, bob dole. who ever heard of george bush? >> he was secretary of state of the united states, one of the great storied offices in the country, an office that thomas jefferson held. you resigned that post to run your friend's what turned out to be his last presidential campaign. why did you do it? >> i did it because he was my friend, and he needed the help. and he came to me and he asked me to do it. and i was not about to say no. >> did you -- >> did i want to do it? snow, i didn't want to do it. he knew i didn't and i knew i didn't. and he sent me a number of notes and told me on any number of occasions how much he appreciated it, but it was what i should have done. i would never have been secretary of state of the united states but for him. i frankly would never have gone into politics and public service had it not been for his compassion toward me, his friend, when my wife died of cancer at the age of 38. >> tell that story. >> he came to me after that, he and barbara were the last two people

it's sad, we don't have like in the watergate era that barry goldwater, howard baker leaders to put their finger in the president's face and say you've lied to us, you've lied to the american people. that's enough. one other thing, don. we were talking with yawn dean who we're so lucky to have as a colleague here at cnn. he is very different in my view from michael cohen. dean from 1970 to '73 was the white house council, one of the most brilliant lawyers in the united states. michael cohen was a guy who barely made it to law school who trump was just using to do little cash payments and nefarious things. it is interesting that like in watergate.tapes are so important. i'll be curious to see if there are more cohen/trump tapes that emerge here in the coming weeks. >> yeah, but again, i can't wait to see that will testimony in front of congress. that's going to be interesting. >> when sam urban did it during watergate, that's when the public started really tuning in. michael cohen in front of congress, everybody will be watching that, and that's when the public really starts turning on tru

it may not be, you know, back in the nixon era howard baker of tennessee going down to the white house and explaining it's up. but it's a lot closer to that than anything we have seen in the trump presidency to date. i mean, it really is a presidency in crisis like we haven't seen. >> i think that's right. i think when you are dealing with james mattis, there is a national security aspect to it. there is a policy aspect to it. because those are so big, there is a political aspect to it. we already saw republicans beginning to waiver and in some ways channel their frustration with president trump into a rejection of a decision on syria. when mattis quit, the way he did, it felt to me as if republicans were even more embolden to split with the president and criticize the president. any criticism and split of the president now when the mueller investigation may be close to wrapping up just comes at the most perilous of times for the president. >> yeah. there is no doubt about that. and yet, john, i agree with everything you said. and yet we still see this, you know, republican base come t

as it does with michael cohen is the questions that were raised in watergate by republican senator howard baker because now we see the white house and the president firmly involved in both michael cohen's actions and in paul manafort's actions so the questions to me are what did the president know and when did he know it. the president's involvement is something that has now popped up larger than life, and the questions about his involvement have to be answered, not only his involvement but if these people are going to be prosecuted, and they conspired with him or took direction from him or acted in collusion with him, why are they being prosecuted and why isn't he. those are the big questions that leap out at you right now. >> >> one of the big questions they may be asking on the special counsel's team is how do we get him lying again, and lying in so many different ways, this after supposedly theoretically we had an agreement, again, with this defendant, yet he still goes ahead and does some things that are quite egregious. >> someone as sophisticated as paul manafort, he had to know it

howard baker, co-chair of the senate watergate committee. republican from tennessee started out as a nixon partisan. he asked what does the president know and when did he know it. it was convinced the president knew nothing and wasn't involved. the facts changed his mind. the facts chainged the minds of the republicans. the facts will change the minds of the senators and republicans on the house. if they don't, the american people will force them to change their minds. >> one of the concerns is there was smoking gun in watergate that there now is a new barometer where people seem to require a smoking gun. that's not necessary in a criminal case and it's not necessary in common sense but if that's the measure then we may not get that. that's something to keep in mind. >> we've been waiting to hear from the president and what we have heard so far is talk of his chief of staff. it shows where his psyche is at right now hearing about michael cohen. i don't know. just a window into it maybe. thank you aull. >>> an interview with a former national

baker, one a democrat, one a republican, and they were statesmen. now it seems it's just a positioning by party label >> senator, what do you -- what does success look like in the united states senate right now? we have seen a number of senates where the split between democrats and republicans has been very, very close and as you said in most votes, they are down partisan lines. we saw the farm bill that will pass probably in a more bipartisan fashion, the criminal reform bill that will be coming before the senate. but really on the matters of import, including the matter of the future of this democracy, what does success look like to you? does it mean bipartisan, does it mean somebody crossing the aisle? what does it look like? >> no, it means the two parties communicating with each other and not just voting as they do say in the british parliament right along party lines. it means getting back to what's known as the regular order, which means the committee system works, what kids learn when they go to school, how does a bill become a law. bills be

you're right, it is -- howard baker once said to me, who was chief of staff to president reagan, a great leader and a good man, mac, you just got the worst job in washington. in many ways it's such a great privilege to serve the american people and the president. it is chief, but it's chief of staff, and it is the chief javelin catcher as andy noted. you catch those incoming spears, you have to make hard decisions, and you're going to get some criticism. by the same token you really have to remember why you're there, and that is to serve the american people and support president, and to help govern and get things done for the american people. that's what this next chief of staff needs to encourage president trump to do. good policy is good politics. >> so one person who is potentially considering it is congressman mark meadows who talked to reporters yesterday. he was asked if he had heard from the white house about the position. take a look at what he had to say. >> last time i basically had contact with the white house it was with the understanding that nick ayers was going to be takin

a howard baker republican. a chuck hagel republican. al simpson republican. those are the republicans that i associate with. >> william cohen, thank you so much for being with us. >> a pleasure. >> speaking of george w. bush, republicans, jordan, a former aide in the bush white house and an analyst, this is a critical moment. those 44 senators are saying something. william cohen said something just now. this is an alarm bell for the country. >> i want to echo what the secretary said. those are the republicans that i see as the tradition of the republican party that i hope that it will fall back into after this horrible era. it is absolutely breath taking to consider that as recently as june of this year michael cohen was a deputy finance chair of the republican national committee. and his fellow chair steve winn, eliot brody are not chairs of the committee but what a quick fall from grace for someone so close to donald trump and donald trump can try to denigrate michael cohen as weak, as someone who betrayed him but at the end of the day it is very telling th

we had howard baker in 1966 and tennessee but now the reverse is true. host: raymond from ohio, independent line. guest: how do we go from 1968 at kent state, and we didn't have social media back then, but how did people organize? host: interesting question. guest: how did we go from 1968 to 1970 at kent state and the answer is nixon opening up the cambodian front in the vietnam war. and that is to invade cambodia to try and stop the flow of men materiel from the north into the south and to be used against the united states forces in south vietnam. with the announcement of that in april 1970, the campuses explode again, particularly kent state. there is a peaceful demonstration, but the guardsmen opened fire and several are killed. that is another opened wound for the united states to deal with. how did these people organize? i watched a documentary last night about the civil rights movement, martin luther king and the media, and without social media, the way to get to the days -- soto -- social media is a misnomer, media is supposed to be between people

so senator, it's my honor on behalf of our for founders and our colleagues, senator bob dole, howard baker, and the bbc board of directors to present you this award. [ applause ] i would also just note that we forged it out of crystal so that you will be able to see the presidential medal of freeman that says freedom on your counter right behind it. i think we are supposed to smile for posterity. thank you senator. and would you like to say a few words? >> if i could, i would just like to say a few words. i am grateful to have my senator wyden here. people thought that hatch and widened could never get together on anything. what he was a lot better that i thought he was. >> he is a wonderful man, very, very energetic inker and one of my dear friends in the united states senate. thank you, jason for that kind introduction. i wanted thank all of you at the bipartisan policy center for arranging all of this and additionally i want to express my sincere thanks to all of you to recognize a landmark piece of legislation that i was proud to co-author, the chronic care act . with your steadf

baker, the bpc board of directors to present you with this award. [applause] >> i would also just note that we forged it out of crystal so that you be able to see the presidential medal of freedom on your counter right behind it. [laughing] >> i think we're supposed to smile for bpc austerity. thank you, senator. would you like to say keywords? >> if i could. i may fall to have my buddy, senator wyden, here. people thought that hatch and wyden could never get together on anything, but he was a lot better than i thought he was. [laughing] >> he's a wonderful man, very, very energetic thinker and one of my dear friends in the united states senator so thank you, jason, for the kind introduction. i want to thank thank you, allr of the bipartisan policy center for making this event. and additionally i want to express my sincere thanks for giving you today to recognize the landmark piece of legislation that i i was practl author. the chronic care act. with your steadfast support, and we needed it, we were able to include the chronic care act and the bipar

so, then we got howard baker in 1968 in tennessee. but now, it's -- the reverse is true. >> it's the reverse. >> raymond from cleveland, ohio, independent line with pat buchanan and barbara perry. >> how do we go from 1968 and kent state and how do we deal with -- we didn't have the social media and the internet back then. how did people organize? >> the answer is nixon opening up the cambodian front in the vietnam war, trying to stop the flow of men and material into the south and to be used against forces in south vietnam. with the announcement of that in april of 1970, the campuses explode again, particularly kent state. there's a peaceful demonstration, but the ohio national guards open fire and several are killed. that is yet another open wound for the united states to have to deal with. how did these people organize. i watched a documentary and without social media, the way to get to the media, in those days, media is supposed to be between the media and the people. now, we are. we are the media and the people of the media. it's

difference between him and me though is he, having served as education secretary and worked here under howard baker and then having had a chance to work with and watch and listen to george herbert walker bush firsthand has the advantage over me. i certainly know the bush family and president bush 41 from my experience in texas. they were the dominant family in influence and politics in texas, certainly during the time i grew up in politics, but i appreciate the comments the senator from tennessee has made. he and i had a conversation about what our side of the aisle needs to do more in the area of supporting public education, which is, i think, probably at the top of the list of most people's concerns, and certainly when you look at what happened in the mid-term elections, particularly in the suburbs, and you talk to people about what motivated them one way or the other, education had to be high up on that list and we simply need to try to find a way to work together to come up with creative ways we can demonstrate our support for public education and i think our constituents will respond ver

i called the white house and spoke to the chief of staff, howard baker. they carried the message forward. there were some other things there were disagreements on. i often was able to get right to the president to express it. host: do you think this president accepts disagreements? guest: yes, no i think c starts with a presumption he is right. he is just more forward about it. i have spoken to the president on one or two occasions, raised questions and issues. yes, there is a lot of self-confidence in this president. again, he has very strong views on things. but this notion you could not talk to him with a different point of view, i don't think it is right. i am not a close advisor but i know people who do speak with him and they say he is open to ideas but begins with a strong presumption in favor of his own. host: bill bennett our guest is bill bennett. this is what number book? guest: five. host: why saint nicholas? west: i thought needed to remember were saint nicholas came from. he was born in asia minor. his parents died when he was young. they le

i happened to be here in 1977 in january as administrative assistant to howard baker who was a newly elected republican leader of the senate. there were then only 37, 38 republican senators, but i was impressed with their vigor and enthusiasm, and no one impressed me more than the young senator from utah. here is what he was doing by 1978. and i want to read a paragraph from "the american senate" by neil mcneil and richard baker, which i think is the best history of the senate. in the spring of 1968 utah's orrin hatch and indiana's richard lugar, both freshman republicans, undertook a sophisticated filibuster to defeat organized labor's prime legislative goal, a complex bill to revise the nation's labor laws. first they relied on traditional tactics. much talk, quorum calls and all other dilatory maneuvers. this is 1978. they copied the old southerner's strategy of creating three platoons each of a half dozen senators to spill each over other the next several weeks. next they adopted senator allen's postcloture strategy. that was senator jim allen from alabama who would sit at the fr

that is the commanding general michael howard. he's been in charge of all these preparations, has been by george w.'s side throughout all the ceremonies, and run with such precision, so beautifully done. martha raddatz, this is where the military does its work so well. it's one of our most magnificent civic rituals. >> george, all of us have sat through civic rituals and i've seen the same rituals in combat zones. it is such an important time to grieve together. it's how the military does it. it is that precision. it is we will do this together, we will share this grief, and we will move on together. >> mark, you see the wear there on the families' face. they've had a duty over these last several days as well. >> you know, that family is exceptionally close. the bushes have a huge network of friends throughout the world, and yet ultimately blood is tricker than water. that family is as thick as thieves, and this must have taken a real toll on them. >> the honor guard now coming to the top of the steps. we will hear "ruffles and fl

we have new county executives in montgomery county, baltimore county, howard county. but in all four of those counties they will be judged first and foremost on how thesc ols perform. >> there are many who would say that rushern baker lost his bid for governor because of his attempts to turn that school system around were so flawed that it didn't go the way h wanted it togo. a steppingstone, but not as great as it could have been and it was difficult for to move forward. >> we'll beatching in d.c. to see what happens with sports betting. it could soon be lel. the city council is considering a bill to make d.c. one of the first places in our region to offer online tting. the bill's sponsor estimates it could produce tens of millions in revenue eut notryone is betting this will be or would be good for the city. so, scott, eight state dare alreadng this, d.c. wants to be the first in our region to do it. how much ds the city stand to gain from regulated gaming? >> they believe the snd to gain millions of dollars pretty fast. west virginia has it, new jersey has it, virgi