of justice or a making suggestions to the department of justice or directly inviting the department of justice to submit that request based on an agenda and set of rationale that had been developed inside the department of commerce. in the deposition, mr. comstock was asked, who told you the government needed in the spring of 2017 more detailed information about citizenship than was contained in the american community survey? he said, nobody. the next question was, you came to that decision on your own? and he said, correct. mr. comstock also testified that he raised the idea with the department of justice in may of 2017. he said he spoke with james mchenry at the department of justice and asked whether doj would, quote, be inclined to send a letter asking us to add the citizenship question. i could go on. the documents indicate that this idea of using the vra as a rationale for putting the citizenship question originated inside at the very least the department of commerce, if not from other parts of the administration. that's the process that we have serious, serious questions abou

robert mueller is an employee of the department of justice. he is a subordinate of attorney general barr who is a subordinate of president trump. the president has every right to look at this -- not only just to look at it before it goes out, but to sensor it. because he is in charge of the department of justice. that may be a political problem. as a legal matter, this is something that the department of justice has the authority to do and the department of justice is part of the trump administration. >> to jeffrey's point, sometimes the independent counsel is like an attorney general operating in one case versus the special counsel acting like a u.s. attorney who is in charge of one case. i do think the way jeffrey set it up is right. it seems to me it presents problems with the administration of justice if the president is potentially a subject of the investigation, even if not indictable or even if not accused of a crime, the idea that essentially if you can sensor this report, does that mean you are above the law? >> go ahead. >> the issue

to john gore at the department of justice. did the secret memo or note describe the real reason you wanted to add the citizenship question? sec. ross: first of all, i would like to correct the record. i don't think there is anything in evidence that my staff delivered a message of that sort to gore. rep. cummings: that's why we need to get the documents, so we can get to the truth. did you want to say something, mr. secretary? were you about to say something? sec. ross: if you feel you have a document of that sort, would you oblige me to show it to me? rep. cummings: i promised i would do that. we have been trying to get certain documents for months. we specifically requested it in advance of this hearing. why have you not provided documents to the committee? sec. ross: i didn't hear the question. rep. cummings: why have you not provided the document to the committee? sec. ross: we've provided 8700 documents already. rep. cummings: but not this document, this particular document. sec. ross: i can't talk to a specific individua

three career attorneys at the department of justice withdrew from the case and protest of their department filing this à Ãfailing to defend the aca. in december a federal court in texas sided with the trump administration texas in 19 other states in the clearing clthe entirety of the aca unconstitutional. of course this will be appealed. the fifth fcircuit one of the most conservative appellate courts in the country will hear the case next.the case is distant for consideration by the supreme court where trump appointed justices gorsuch and kavanaugh will cast to deciding votes on whether to uphold the aca or cast oit aside. i shudder to think which way they are likely to go. the outcome of this case will have a profound impact on virtually every american. especially the 133 million people living with pre-existing conditions. this is not a game. lives are at stake. without the aca protection millions of americans living with conditions as common as diabetes, obesity, heart disease, or cancer could be charged exorbitant premiums or denied, denied insurance coverage altogether. the stakes i

third, releasing the mueller report even in its entirety does not absolve the department of justice of its obligation to provide congress with the underlying evidence uncovered by the special counsel. this expectation is well-grounded in precedent set by the department just in the last congress in connection with three republican-led investigations into hillary clinton's emails, the dismissal of former acting director mccabe and allegations of bias regarding the russia investigation. with respect to the investigation involving secretary clinton's emails, this is the department of justice releasing to congress more than 880,000 pages of documents regarding the f.b.i.'s decisionmaking. identifying names of career officials involved in the charging decision, identifying to congress specific court cases relied on in the charging decision, and making numerous d.o.j. and f.b.i. personnel available to congress for transscribed interviews. with respect to the dismissal of former acting director mccabe, this included releasing to congress all documents relied on by the office of professional re

work of the department of justice. i have explained that's already been accounted for. we have within the department an independent inspector general, presidential appointed and senate confirmed, whose job it is to conduct independent reviews of the work of the department of justice when he determines it's appropriate. those are fully independent reviews that result in detailed reports. sometimes they are made public. sometimes they are sensitive and not made public. when they find wrongdoing or misconduct, which they do regularly, we take appropriate action. if there is potential criminal wrongdoing we refer to a u.s. attorney for possible prosecution. if it's not, we have the ability to impose administrative sanctions. if somebody left department, we can refer them to disciplinary action if they are a member of a state bar association. we have in the department of justice an office of professional responsibility which has a unique obligation or responsibility to review the compliance of federal prosecutors. we have d

of justice or a making suggestions to the department of justice or directly inviting the department of justice to submit that request based on an agenda and set of rationale that had been developed inside the department of commerce. in the deposition, mr. comstock was asked, who told you the government needed in the spring of 2017 more detailed information about citizenship than was contained in the american community survey? he said, nobody. the next question was, you came to that decision on your own? and he said, correct. mr. comstock also testified that he raised the idea with the department of justice in may of 2017. he said he spoke with james mchenry at the department of justice and asked whether doj would, quote, be inclined to send a letter asking us to add the citizenship question. i could go on. the documents indicate that this idea of using the vra as a rationale for putting the citizenship question originated inside at the very least the department of commerce, if not from other parts of the administration. that's the process that we have serious, serious questions abou

barr who is , in charge of the department of justice. the truth is i want you to know as much as you possibly can know, it is a very big deal. it's a great day for the president in terms of underlying allegations, but now i'm hoping some of you might be interested in the other side of the story. reporter: a quick follow-up question. what is the public getting with donald trump, can you clarify? and you once called pardoning paul manafort political disaster and that the political winds might change. have they changed? sen. graham: no, i think president trump pardoning anybody in his orbit, it would not play well. as to what people are getting with donald trump, i think it's pretty clear that like bill clinton, donald trump is larger than life character. people are focused on what he is doing for them. i think people would be legitimately concerned if he did, in fact, his campaign worked with the russians. i will say this, if mr. barr had reached a different conclusion and reported that there is evidence of trump coordination with the russ

the executive branch and the department of justice on bob mueller. what does that tell you? >> those are both very important pieces of information that, again, has been reported pretty widely at this stage. and they matter, right? how many times did we have a conversation on the air, how many columns were written in newspapers across the country about whether president trump was going to fire robert mueller. that was a source of endless speculation. well, it can end, because it never happened. there was also this question of was trump or the justice department unfairly putting their thumb on the scale, not letting this investigation play out the way it needed to in bob mueller's eyes. we know based on that letter from attorney general barr that never happened. every single request mueller made in pursuit of this report was granted by the department of justice. that is significant. and, bill, as you referenceed, if, in fact, there are no more indictments on the table, that doesn't mean it's a clean bill of health politically necessarily for the presid

and how those on the inside of the department of justice or fbi will work. now do you agree with that wind he describes that as that could be the tipping point here. if your are doing put the whole report out, you're going to argue again in two months to put the whole ig report out. >> absolute way. we have to fix things in the other half of this equation is whether the intelligence committee did was weapon i against the campaign. by that abuse, this dossier full of junk and unverified that went before a court. how the case was initiated against the presidential campaign. they will answer those questions. like the first to report it to be publicized as well. then we can fix things. bill: thank you. we encourage our viewers to check it out. thank you. >> we are on mueller report watch. why they've been unusually silent this weekend, the same cannot be said for some members of congress. live report from capitol hill max. and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to t

after serving as a law clerk to justice ginsburg on the court of appeals, he joined the justice department in 1990 as a prosecutor in the criminal division again under the leadership of robert mueller. he later served as counsel to the attorney general as the clinton administration a special assistant attorney general in the criminal division. from 1995 through 1997 he would detail to independent councils assisting with the whitewater investigation then became assistant us attorney in maryland 1997 through 2001 when he went back to the bush administration a principal deputy to the assistant attorney general for the tax division. in 2005, george w. bush appointed rod rosenstein the us attorney for the district of maryland. the only attorney in the country appointed by bush later kept on by president obama and again held over by president trump. rod rosenstein's long tenure is marked by dramatic decline of other violent offenses attributed to enforcement and prosecution to have robust collaboration between prosecutors and police and the community with crime prevention. equally impressive to

he's part of the department of justice and is bound by the department of justice policies and guidelines and policies in this particular case on obstruction are very clear. that's what they followed. so what robert mueller apparently did was lay out, here are all the facts. we're not saying he committed a crime. we're not making an exoneration. what we're doing is saying basically the department of justice, you evaluate it. they made the conclusion that there was no crime. >> so you both know as lawyers that there are different standards, the criminal standards the department of justice follows, are quite different from the standard that the house of representatives, for example, might look to for potential action against a president. and so are you concerned that is something that could still happen because it's a different question about whether or not the department of justice sees any evidence beyond a reasonable doubt? >> well, if the democratic members of congress are willing to apologize for two, three years of saying there was evidence of collusion, there's treasonous conduct, th

department of of justice you were under. your reaction to what happened tonight. >> i was surprised it was a report. i thought mueller's report was going to be one indictment as a time as it has been and surprised there were no other indictments if that's true because there are so many loose ends out of the whole russia investigation. we don't really know what happened between the time of the gold stone enile don jr. where he loved it when they were getting all that dirt, which is the emails, up to the time it goes to wikileaks and there's lot that happens bebetween there. including trump's own statement about make comments the following monday after the june 9th meeting. yet we don't know anything about that. >> that's the question. to me, at the center of this whole thing was a factual inquiry, independent of political interference. of what the actual facts of the matter are and i guess the question is the expectation i have is some laying out of the factual matter. it laid out a factual matter. >> i think that will defini

the reputation of the department of justice. getting a lecture from jim comey about the rule of law is like getting lectured by bernie madoff on how to invest wisely. donald trump wasn't the president when loretta lynch met with bill clinton five days before hillary clinton was cleared. and donald trump wasn't president when jim comey talked in the public square about conduct of hillary clinton for which she wasn't charged. maria: yeah. >> all of those things happened and undermine the reputation of the department of justice under jim comey. maria: it's just incredible to watch andrew mccabe on his book tour and jim comey writing these op eds. he knew that hillary paid for the dossier, he knew that this was flimsy ed to go get -- evidence to go get a warrant to the wiretap an american citizen so they could spy on their political enemy's campaign, and he knew it was flimsy evidence to get that wiretap. he knew all of this, and yet he's acting like this schoolboy. real quick, from the mueller report are you expecting that we are g

department of of justice you were under. your reaction to what happened tonight. >> i was surprised it was a report. i thought mueller's report was going to be one indictment as a time as it has been and surprised there were no other indictments if that's true because there are so many loose ends out of the whole russia investigation. we don't really know what happened between the time of the gold stone enile don jr. where he loved it when they were getting all that dirt, which is the emails, up to the time it goes to wikileaks and there's lot that happens bebetween there. including trump's own statement about make comments the following monday after the june 9th meeting. yet we don't know anything about that. >> that's the question. to me, at the center of this whole thing was a factual inquiry, independent of political interference. of what the actual facts of the matter are and i guess the question is the expectation i have is some laying out of the factual matter. it laid out a factual matter. >> i think that will defini

. >> the department of justice becomes the department of injustice when it wants to tear down health care benefits. this house, the democratic majority, we are here to strengthen those protections and lower health care costs further. because this house, this democratic house is for the people. it lowers health care insurance premiums, stops junk plans, strengthens protections for preexisting conditions and reverses the gop health care

justice so well let you handle this i must say this there was a department of justice rule which states that when you do not have someone indicted when when no true bill is issued when somebody is not chars. according to the department of justice rules you don't have any other comment other than the person was not indicted you don't deal with evidence that was considered that is problematic or troublesome and that's what komi did and that's what we're seeing now they're violating their own rules these two by the book titans. basis you think this report should be published then i mean do you not think that it could actually help president trump. absolutely at this point the american public has had it what more can they hear or we've i don't want to go through it since before the man was even alleged that we've heard everything about his sex life his dietary habits what possibly could they hear now that makes him say ok wait a minute hold it let me just explain also though that as far as this being done please do not think this is over because the federal case the federal jurisdiction the

so you have a series of things that will have to be happening internally within the department of justice to evaluate what gets released. but bill barr said he wants to provide as much transparency as possible and i take him ats a word. >> on your end do you imagine having to redact anything for executive privilege, anything like that? >> that, again, would fall within the context of the white house counsel in consultation with the department of justice because both of them both the doj and the white house are within the article 2 branch of government. as the private lawyers we don't inject ourselves into that. that's not what we inject ourselves. our representation was to the president. their representation is to the office office of the presidency. >> so the president was exonerated in terms of conspiracy and in terms of collusion, as we've been saying the term that people have been using with russia as were his associates and his campaign. but, as you know, it was much more ambiguous on the question of obstruction of justice. here's what it said. the report sets out evidence on both si

the correspondent department of just -- corrupt department of justice. corrupt ta tax tax tactics of t. tonight, rnc chairwoman, ronna mcdaniel, great to have you with us. your reaction first of all, to the vindication of this president. after more than two years of uninterrupted relentless attacks and claims by the radical dimms who orchestrated this assault on the presidency and the republic. >> well, i think you are right, i don't think that many people could have withstood what the president and his family have. it is really shameful for two years, this cloud has been upon his presidency, it was precipitated by a fake dossier paid for 3 hillary clinton and dnc that justice department ran with, democrats for two years accused our president of being an agent for a foreign country, they put that narrative forward over and over with the media, being complicit. 93% of the negative in stories from the media have been negative on this president, mead crmedia has been shameful, there needs to be a reckoning. i am glad that president is found to not colluded

president, who appoints the highest officers of the department of justice is himself a subject or a target of the investigation, which was focused on suspicions or allegations that the russians, while we know the russians interfered in the 2016 election, with the intention of helping trump win, and the questions are whether trump or people around trump con spid spired with the russians to do that and did they violate the law in so doing? that was the main reason for the appointment of mueller. and that's a standard operating procedure, to appoint the special counsel in those kinds of circumstances. >> the president is saying that he told congress that, you know, make it public, if they want, the report. i assume you would like to hold him to that? >> we certainly would. we want the report, which mueller has to give to the attorney general and the attorney general can edit it before it goes to the chairman of the house and senate judiciary committees and to the public, we want the report to be entirely public. we want the underlying evidence to be public. because it's very important

the legal opinion of the justice department. we did not indict on it. here are all the facts and that's something that would have to be in congress. the obstruction peace iece is o the big unanswered pars that we have not seen in any of the indictments. >> just the fact that the department of justice officials have said to -- that there is no more indictment, that does not mean there is no more damaging information or indictable offenses in the report but not indictable because he's the president. >> right, there are two pieces to that. if jared is reporting that if there is no indictments by the special counsel's office. that leads two opportunities. one is a scenario that would lay out an obstruction case against the president. the second piece of unanswered questions is what are the other pending prosecutions, potential prosecutions that have been farmed out to the other district, eastern district of virginia and southern district of new york and of course d.c. which could be on all sorts of different things, campaign finance

of justice -- the department of justice agrees with us. i think it was important to note a couple of things that, number one, there was absolutely no evidence of anyone associated with the campaign to conspire with the russians. that was, by the way, the entire basis upon which this investigation started. so there was zero ed of that after thousands of -- evidence of that after thousands of subpoenas and documents and dozens and dozens of interviews. that was to the conclusion -- that was the conclusion. the obstruction of justice, on page 3 it says in cataloging the president's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identified no actions that in to our judgment constitute obstructive conduct at a nexuses to a pending or on contemplated proceeding. and urn the department of justice guidelines, no charges could be brought. i think that's, i think it's just a complete, 100 percent vindication of the president. shannon: did you think it was appropriate -- the attorney general quotes the special counsel's letter in saying

department of justice. he was an assistant in baltimore. we know a couple of things, that bob mueller is an icon in our department of justice. as ty said, and i know him as well, and i think he's a decent fellow, bob mueller is also a class act. and so ty is probably a little bit more free now to speak honestly than he was when he was employed by mr. trump. >> chuck, i also want to play this for you. this is separate from the same interview. this is ty cobb on his former client, the president, donald trump. >> he is a very direct, forceful presence. he wants to get stuff done. he hates obstacles and he reacts strongly in the face of obstacles to try to move them out of the way or find somebody who will move them out of the way for him so he can do things. it's a challenging environment and it's not for everybody. but it was a fascinating task. >> chuck, do you think the president's current legal team hears that and they are nodding yes? >> i'm sure it was a fascinating task. it seems to be damning with faint praise, brian. you know, what ty

it's not the practice of the department of justice to reveal the names of unindicted individuals for reasons that i hope are obvious to everyone but other than that we're going to see an awful lot of disclosure. which is what i have been advocating. if it helps the president, the more of it that comes out the better. >> we'll see. >> the part that the attorney general is going to hold the line is the issue on what are the declarations. what are the issues the spesh counsel investigated by decided not to bring charges on. he's going to hold firm to that. process and tradition. >> the difficulty is you have what comey did and you have how congress just proceeded after james comey said he was not going to bring charges against hillary clinton. up until a couple of months ago we have seen congressional committees hauling people in to continue to ask questions about hillary clinton and her e-mail server. they continue to ask the justice department to provide information about her e-mail server. so to say that was okay with hillary clinton even though she didn't face charges and now we're

attack the department of justice. attack the independents. this idea that now that we've had an investigation that's not yielded criminal charges there needs to be retribution and the other side -- i don't know who he means by the other side. doj? hillary clinton? somebody else? it's so dangerous to doj's independence. it's also not good for donald trump. wouldn't it have been much more effective if he said, i'm going to respect doj, let them do their job, we'll see what they come up with, that will be that. then today happens, he looks even better. >> it's tough to do that, someone you've been saying, this is all illegal takedown, mueller's trying to get -- he can't praise mueller and say good things about him after he's been demonizing -- >> that's what i'm saying, from day one. >> when you talk about illegal takedown, i said this earlier in the show. his appointment authorizes actions, mueller's appointment, authorizations and actions upheld by seven court decisions. rulings made by judges appointed by both political parties, even one appo

the department of justice has to go through it and determine what can be released and what cannot be released. that is why bill barr is going to release a summary. it is going to be a showdown. if they don't get everything they want, it is possible they could take this to court, and there could be a legal fight. that could take a very long time. it is interesting. , the housetime democrats will continue what they are doing. dozens ofnvestigating things in the trump administration, both at the white house and in the agencies and departments. they are pushing for documents, pushing for people to testify. they could issue subpoenas. there are a lot of avenues where they could get information. host: we talked to sarah lynch in the first hour. what is your day going to be like on the white house beat? my colleague is with the president in mar-a-lago. he is our main person with president trump today. i am standing by. i expect to write a bigger picture story about the president, but i don't know because i am also waiting to find out what is in the mueller report. we have a lot of folks on

stuff the department of justice doesn't give up. but everyone agrees and the house of representatives voted unanimously that the report on which that barr's letter is based, that short voshoub released. >> the attorney general has raised already in this four-page letter things we have already talked about previously. but now it's on paper. there's some grand jury secrecy issues. that can be overwrridden with ty seek to fwo to a court order. but that presents some concerns and questions. the precedent comes from the water gate era. but we're in a different world now. there was some belief then you could turn over something to congress and it wouldn't immediate ly go out to the public. i think that's just not going to. had. >> i'm already receiving some hate mail about it. people who hate the president are disappointed by the no collusion find iing because the were hoping this would bring down the president. but as an american, this is a good thing that our president, whether you like him or not, has not colluded. i get why democrats

of criminal activity, but in honoring the memorandum of the department of justice did not elect to proceed with an indictment. that's important information both congress and the american people have a right to know. so i think it's a little too early to speculate what the conclusions are. it's not the end of the investigation in its entirety. there are obviously other matters being investigated in the southern district and at the department of justice. but the important thing is the american people have a right to know what the special counsel found. how it made the judgments, what evidence it considered. and the only other time the special counsel regulation has been invoked is the incident in waco, texas. in that incident the report was released in its entirety. and that's the only other example that we have because the attorney general needs to release the full report. >> congressman, if you will stay with us. i want to bring in our team here because i know some of them have questions for you. as i said i know a number of people have questions for the congressman. gloria? >> well, congr

jillian: question first one involving department of justice, putting doubt in people's mind, divide in the country that people speak about. i want to get your take on that and why do you say they wouldn't investigate obama? >> because i think the president is removed from all of these things, i doubt that somebody camed up to him we have phoney ups doe but we will sneak into a fisa warrant because we want to have insurance policy to make sure donald trump wins the presidency, if there was such evidence, then perhaps you could look at barack obama but i would be shocked if such evidence existed. i think that this is all being done by people below the president. look, you know, we will now have to see what general barr releases in terms of the mueller, all of your guests are coming, he needs to release the whole thing, i actually think that the president would -- would like the whole thing to be released but general barr has other things to consider, he has to determine whether grand jury material which is supposed to be secret is contained in the report, he's already said that there's g

it was the department of justice you were under. your reaction to what happened tonight. >> i'm surprised there was a report. i really thought mueller's report was going to be one indictment at a time as it has been, and i was surprised there were no other indictments if that were true. just to give you an example, we don't really know what happened between the time of the goldstone email to don junior when he loved it when they were getting all the emails up to the time it goes to wikileaks. there's a lot that happened including trump's own statements about clintons the following monday after the ming, yet we don't know anything about it. >> that's the question. to me at the center of the whole thing as i said at the top, it was always a question of inquiry of all things that weren't happening necessarily of what the actual facts of the matter are. i guess the expectation here about i have is laying out of the factual matter. i remember when the 911 commission report came out. it was a huge part of what the report was. it laid out

one of the interesting parts is a strict reading of the and the department of justice under janet reno said we have to figure out what is being investigated in a proper and right format. and this resolution simply restates that and would protect that in going forward, what was public conversations with the new york attorney general whose confirmation hearings confirmed that as well. that is why i believe this is simply a restatement of law, that a nonbinding resolution from congress is not going to change. thank you both for your answer. i just thought that these -- i read and from 1999 when it was a visit under the clinton presidency. from reno and eric holder what i read it, it seemed like before, all these reports were released to the public and then they recommended that just a summary be given to the attorney general for two reasons. one was because i thought of everything is released to the overc, they would be investigations, because investigators would worry that they would be criticized if they didn't turn over every stone. the other reason is that it would identify people tha

it is the policy of the department of justice that no sitting president should be indicted of course the process for removing a president from office is impeachment and remember that when it comes to any legal woes potentially facing the president well he's facing many other investigations including in the state of new york where investigations continue into alleged campaign financing violations as well as into hush money payments made to stormy daniels the adult film actress so that all the avenues ahead well what is very vocal president actually saying about all this he's been uncharacteristically quiet of late in fact we haven't seen him take to twitter to say anything about this at the moment we know that he's in florida his mar-a lago resort he was seen heading to the golf course in the back of the vehicle reading the newspapers this morning of course following the coverage but he hasn't tweeted about it yet we have seen some statements for example from his son donald trump jr on twitter who framed this is a vindication the fact that there were no further charges and indictment

of justice and fbi happily it independently watching as you will be. >> the nice around you obviously in the spotlight your husband has been in the spotlight been outspoken critic of president trump, for a while. last year and a half, speaking out against him on twitter the president responded outside of the white house yesterday, here is what he said got to get your reaction. >> i don't know if he is a whack job there is no question about it but i really don't know him, he -- i think doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife, kellyanne is a wonderful woman i call him mr. kellyanne. >> your boss calling your husband a whack job what is going on. >> my husband also has been very critical of the president publicly, unlike him traditional a very private person in 2016, known as year of the tweet george conway sent zero tweets this is new also what is new not supporting the agenda. of the president. and my work there, because when george took himself out of contention for a top job in the department of justice, almost two years ago now put out a public statement that in many media

we just saw him leaving his virginia home and shortly after arriving at the department of justice where he continues to review that report. arriving right after him, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, while details of mueller's report remain a mystery, we do know one major headline. a senior justice official says there will be no further indictments from the special counsel. right now president trump is golfing at his club in west palm beach, florida. he's spending the weekend at marijua mar-a-lago surrounded by members of his key legal team. so far there has been an unusual silence from the president on the mueller report, but the white house is already privately flami framing it as a win for president trump. >>> and in just a few hours house democrats will huddle for a phone call to discuss the latest developments. cnn's team of reporters and analysts have been covering this story very closely for 22 months now, and they are standing by to bring you details of everything you need to know. >>> so, let's begin with congressional correspondent sund lynn serfaty. what can we expect t

of course, like everybody else, i'm curious about mueller's decision to defer to the department of justice on a determination about exoneration. clearly the white house and president already are spiking the ball in the end zone. i guess with some justification. >> well, they're making the point that there was no collusion, and in the mueller report, there clearly is evidence there was no collusion, that no one from the trump campaign conspired or colluded or cooperated with the russians to interfere in the u.s. election. that's pretty significant. forget about the obstruction of justice for a moment. >> it is significant. you know, i think in a way, even if you're an opponent of trump, that is reassuring. that's a good thing for the country a country in any event. >> i'll read another line that makes that point. bill barr, the attorney general, in his letter to congress, he quotes from the mueller report saying, the investigation did not establish that members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in its election interference activities. what's also sig

and i understand why mueller, who is a creature of that department of justice, would want it to go to the regular channels at some point. and it seems like we're nearing that point. >> so, eric, that's the view from a former fed, and i want to you see another former fed who is of counsel to us. this is frank figluzzi earlier on this network, and as we listen to him, remember, he was running counterintelligence for a time for the bureau. >> i'm even more intrigued by the departure of david archey, because he's the counterintelligence lead here. that's the seminal russia question mueller was trying to answer. we should expect to report, it isn't so dramatic, but one that rolls out and spins cases everywhere. it diffuses targets for trump to aim at. >> do you concur based on your reporting, when are we going to find all of them? >> i think what is clear at this point is that much of the investigative work, including the central quote/unquote collusion question probably is complete. i think the question becomes, what bob mueller does with that information, how long it takes to produce som