none of us -- i didn't figure it out at the time, but later on they got a little nervous because the csm hatch also was subjected to the same pressure wave but it was a tougher, heavier duty hatch, fortunately. that's that story. that was apollo 14. >> if i remember on apollo 11, ev even, when they were ready to go out and do the space walk, you open a dump valve to dutch the pressure out into the limb so you could open the door and that door was a very large door. and i remember they had a lot of difficulty opening the door because they had the weight of the delta pressure across the door went to absolutely zero before theblingd actually open the door. >> last question. >> i think that's about a 36-inch door. multiply, get nine square feet, so many square inches, multiply it by five. you find out it takes a lot of effort to open the door. and you don't have very good mechanics. >> >> last question. ma'am, i'm sorry? >> what differences in the apollo era compared to the upcoming projects when those lunar modules are landing? what are the major differences you identify between the apollo