>> darwinism is amoral. that's exactly right way to put it. some people say darwinism is immoral. darwin himself said this, he said my theory operates on the principle of survival of the fittest. your genes preserve themselves. richard dawkins is one of the great philosophers in history who has been arguing for a preservation the preservation happens on the gene level and because of that you have the selfish genes trying to replicate themselves. therefore he says the selfish gene being selfish is your natural state. i don't think that's true. we've also evolved to cooperate. we have cooperative genes and dawkins says occurred call myself the cooperative genes because we both cooperate and we are selfish. look at every single characteristic human beings have the capacity for love, capacity for hate, capacity for selfishness, capacity for selflessness. the capacity for kindness, capacity for cruelty. the inclination to destroy, the inclination to create. these are all natural inclinations and you can find evidence in darwinism, or at least make up expo stories to explain how these t

and the origin of species make you spend time with darwin and the origin of species charles darwin was one of the greatest of all time i am a big believer of evolution i don't talk about scientific facts but that's about as close as you can get was science i've no problem with evolution. think it is a terrible thing when religious apologist tether themselves to opposing evolution. my god is great enough you can create however he wants if you do that with evolutionary process i have no problem with that. by looking at plants and atomic particles can look at the process by which he created but darwinism is a little more controversial than evolution but i think that is more establishment now it's that mechanism of what evolution happens but that can count for all biological complexities is another question and some say it needs that hope they call themselves intelligent design scientist l cottam scientist but i do call them philosophers and to teach that as a possible in school but it shouldn't be in competition with darwin because once we jump out of science itself and that should be res

it means we have got the financial resources at your disposal, you can send -- to darwin to actually check the nine direct flights when you need to. you can actually ramp up inspections at the border, fromase -- parcels affected countries and through those measures we have been able to detect adnd stop over 27 tons of cooked pork from reaching our shores. it is that responsiveness that we need. >> thank you. can the minister advise the senate on risks to our strong bar security system? >> minister? >> thank you very much. senator mcmahon, yes, i can. talk about the risks. and the risks to our bar security system, our complacency. complacency from industry, complacency from importers, complacency from travelers and people that would think it' sok to bring that home cooks sausage into your son or daughter that may be starting at one of our great institutions. that you think it is ok that you want to purchase high-quality food in australia so you pack a porkase full of cooked products, maybe some squid and away you go. what we found in the weekend, yes squid. on the weekend a woman from

penguins to better fishing grounds on the coast of south africa's to hope nature reserves are disproved darwin creates decoys out of cement they were intended to trick the birds into thinking there are already penguins settled here. when we went inside to install them we also look at the site from many different angles. visualize the way. the wiping will think the idea is to entice the endangered birds to start new breeding colonies one of the biggest challenges we faced is that no one's ever done this before for the african penguin so we've had to learn a lot so as we go along the project organizers hope that penguins will take the plunge and relocate. and how about you. if you are also doing your bit tell us about it visit our website or send us a tweet hash tag doing your bit. we share your story. sustainability is a word in everybody's lives. this stays and most of us have become a lot more contentious when it comes to recycling plastics reducing c o 2 emissions and supporting local businesses in order to reduce the negative impact on the environment but when it comes to high tech gadgets

estudiantes de la plata inauguró su nuevo estaño y echar la casa y más por la ventana, en este caso de darwin león, el felino del fuego que presenta a la esencia del dicho del equipo, saltó al campo antes de desvanecerse en el aire, en redes círculo que en el estadio hicieron este holograma tal y como lo vieron ustedes, pero en realidad se trató de una iniciativa para la transmisión de televisión, vieron los aficionados al león de fuego por las pantallas gigantes del estadio y fue realmente espectacular, de la plata volvemos a detroit donde en el estadio usaron algún dragón para recibir a los panteras de milwaukee y la gente pasó un buen rato tratando de dejar la línea de campo visible luego de la nevada de ocho pulgadas y medio que cayó en michigan, al final milwaukee se llevó el juego dos a cero y con gripe se fueron todos a la casa. y si quiere entrar en calor, el fin de semana hizo el baile del momento, así lo bailo en fines de semana, prescott en las cámaras de televisión haciendo este movimiento que parece un calentamiento para la cadera y moviendo los hombros, ha cambia

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excitement, really, because this is classic discovery science, and it is very reminiscent of plorers such as darwin, who went out and ibcollected specs to des them, and that led to theories which transformed biology. richard: who knows? even the contents of the pond could lead to life-changing discoveries. richard wescott, bbc news. nada: for those with disabilities, finding the right job can be a challenge. a program in washington, d.c., is working to change tt. the city has partnered with the company to provide traing in becoming a direct professional which allows them to serve others. we went to meet those taking part and to hear about the opportunities they are afforded. >> dear world. >> dear rld. >> dear world. >> i am an 18-year-old heart of hearing person. >> i used to not be able to speak very clearly. >>gh i was ti would never amount to anything. >> ready, set, go. >> follow these steps to open the airway. >> idtart learning how to rea when i was in fifth grade. i used to not be able to communicate. i gotut of high school, i wish i knew about this program. i started working at a theater.

i can assure you assure everyone that anybody involved in this crime in these attacks will be on to darwin and will be brought to justice this country will never be carload or divided or intimidated by this sort of attack and our values values will prevail we're joined now by olivia b.'s oh she was near the scene of today's incidents in london a livia thank you for joining us that must have been of course a traumatic day there and what can you tell us about what happened what did you see . well i was on my way towards the bridge and i was coming out on my bike i had explosions at the time i can only assume that it was gunshots but then the police came and stopped all the cars and i thought it was the construction i wasn't really thinking and then continue going straight on to the pavement and then all of a sudden floods of incredibly panic people are just hoarding towards me and literally sprinting for their lives and i was just so confused and didn't know what was happening until i started running with them and sort of asking what was going on and one of the people screaming it was gunsho

israeli soldiers fatally wounding a palestinian man in the west bank on monday 22 year old omar but darwin with allegedly shot in the chest during protests at a refugee camp in the city of hebron a warning you may find the video you're about to see upsetting. oh. we spoke to the victim's mother who is adamant her son was not posing a threat to the idea. because in the room without. buying it we have lowered. so. and then maybe secure measures should be dealt with. murder she vicious only moment of. release you moment. well i'm only issue israeli defense forces say that soldiers have been attacked by rioters some of whom were carrying petrol bombs it's unclear though whether omar but are we has been involved in the demonstrations which walking 15 years is the death of the palestinian leader yasser arafat the i.d.f. says it's investigating but always killing a local camera man shared with us what he says happened. he was clearly on mones he left his house wearing slippers a group of soldiers in front of them are fired directly out sam and they see he was unarmed and holding a towel he wasn't

islands of course the environmental repercussions of that was shocked many people it's known for charles darwin but you mention the i.m.f. just finally you championed chinese investment in your country do you think because then in marino as jurors in the i.m.f. is learned he will end the way that arguably so many developing country leaders have ended. basically having to be on the run because once you take money from the i.m.f. you lose your government there's a limit in those applied a very aggressive new liberal structural adjustment program from not quite from day one but soon after. coming to power. and he's decided to do this with the company mint of the i.m.f. so a $4200000000.00 loan with a lot of conditionality the same ones that the disastrous. recipes of the 1990 s. that caused so much economic instability and chaos in latin america there be repeated now in latin america by the i.m.f. in ecuador and elsewhere racially and we're seeing people fight back because people have lived through something better you know for 10 years 15 years depending on which country that american ecuador was

says it's investigating but darwin's killing a local cameron shared with us what he says happened. he was clearly on mones he left his house wearing slippers a group of soldiers in front of them are fired directly out some and they could see he was unarmed and holding a towel he wasn't threat to them at all they opened fire and then didn't try to help the distance between them and no mark was very short but they just bleed to death and prevented other people from getting close and help him later on when his relatives and also journalists tried to help the soldiers fired live rounds and tear gas at us. life and work of a co-founder of the controversial white helmets rescue group in syria has come under scrutiny since his recent death in istanbul in fact jane slimmers syria's pedia profile has undergone something of a rewrite a missing anything detrimental the material was a former british army soldier he was recently accused by mosco of being a former agent of m i 6 the u.k.'s foreign intelligence service and the british media has been quick to point the finger at the kremlin over h

i'm in a car park in darwin in lancashire and it's very cold but someone has bought me a cup of tea. enjoy this week's brexitcast. we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing. we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossingi we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing. i met boris johnson once. dover calais crossing. i met boris johnson once. they are going to get it wrong again! remainers and levers, that will end well.” it wrong again! remainers and levers, that will end well. i can only describe it as a dog's brexit. hello, it is adam in brexitcast hq pointer and chris as well here. it is katya in brexitcast a second hq in brussels! and laura in a car park in lancashire and i have a real temptation because i'm in an edit van, to beep the horn. go for it! would you dare me? it was quite quiet, it was a little toot. if i get an asbo, i'm blaming you. and if any of us is talking too long, you can sound the horn and shut us up! that's a great idea. is brexit the horn that has not beeped in this so—called brexit election? discuss. it kind of has.

really, because this is classic discovery science and it is very reminiscent of the explorers, such as darwin, who went out and collected species to describe them and then that led to theories which transformed biology. who knows? even the contents of their pond could potentially lead to life—changing discoveries. richard westcott, bbc news, norwich. police in hong kong have called for calm after a student died of injuries sustained during recent pro—democracy protests. activists held vigils and rallies after news of the death of the protester. they claim he fell from a car park trying to escape tear gas fired by riot police. the police deny responsibility and say they'll hold an open inquest. a report from a migration watchdog says the home office is taking "substa ntially" longer to decide asylum cases than five years ago. the report by a group based at oxford university says three quarters of cases are still unresolved after six months. it also highlights the uneven distribution of claimants around the uk, with 150 local authorities failing to support any asylum seekers. financial regu

since darwin, it has been no more possible to produce a crop an for those who picture running horses to expel from the minds what they have learned from photographs about darwinlocomotion." today and photographs of galloping horses provided the data that historians needed and they were useful antidote to what jamison human the imaginative life that documented in earlier age. what bound them together was a commitment to scientific observation and the neutral recording of fact. now though, we view these professions differently and we might observe it is the subject -- subjective object of the world that makes it historians and photographers kindred spirits. there is no mistaking a pen for a camera, but they make similar decisions about whether to reveal their presence, what to highlight, what to exclude. they haves, fundamentally different relationships to their subjects. historians are always looking back. photographers are always picturing the present, albeit an evanescent one that slips away film isnt the sensitize exposed. consider the differences with which historians and photogra

some study of, a view of america in 1778, published on august 1, 1778 in london by matthew and mary darwin, accomplished print sellers. this print was examined alongside the paintings and there were some interesting similarities, such as the british light infantry men in the center pointing with his hand up. there are also some hunting shirts depicted, the linen inged garment. you see it in the paintings and here. it was a little ending nomadic at the time. ic at the time.at 1990's, ands and art historian was undertaking a study of this aging, a painting of richard st. george painted about 1796. in 1992, this painting was sold to the national gallery of ireland from the third great-grandson of richard st. george. 1992 and nown graces the exhibit downstairs. before it arrived to us, it was on display in the hall of the largest portraits of the national gallery of ireland collection. study ofndertook a what the message was. what the painting is about is in 1792, richard st. george's wife passed away in this painting was commissioned by him of him a at his wife's tomb with the latin forgotten

darwin a noble one of the men i know and. for 12 years the maids led a campaign of persecution against muhammad and his followers in mecca. persecution which culminated in their emigration to medina and $622.00. but when the prophet returned to conquer america. and realized resistance was futile and joined slammed. by 640 for. the rising islam it state had expanded into a vast empire. and the caliphate that come into the hands of an almighty. off money. with man was a genius but he employed far too many of his young cousins to me odds where they are stick rat of mecca and they'd been great leaders the pagan resistance and soap or making these characters who were his lovely cousins was also you know a bad political position. a rebellion erupted against off man's alleged nepotism. in 656. and after 12 years as kind of. he was killed and his house in medina. by the un has. a sufficient lead what was at and in and the nest the half of that in a how with it at. the academy. in the muscles the. how and when i can buy that that it w

they went all the way down to australia and they sank a bunch of merchant ships in the harbor of port darwin, australia. in february of 1942, they annihilated nine cruisers and 18 destroyers of the british/american and dutch asiatic fleet. >> the australians were there, too. if i don't say that, my australian passport will be canceled. george: in april of 1942, just before midway, they had five carriers in the indian ocean, and they drove the remnants of the british navy out of the raidedocean and went and as far as madagascar. they sank the british carrier and its escort. they sank dozens of merchant ships. they also destroyed all the tankers that were carrying oil from the mideast. that were headed to america to feel or war machine. that access to mideast oil was vital for america. -- fuel our war machines. that access to mideast oil was vital for america. the german war staff had to report to hitler on february 14, 1942, if germany and japan joined hands at the indian ocean, the final victory should not be far off. i guess the point i am making is that the battle of midway was not about t

¡ay, condenado darwin! >>nadie deserta mientras yo esÉe al mando. cabo, vendrÁs conmigo. [explosión] rico, vendrÁs conmigo. [ruidos diversos] >>los llevaremos ante el concejo de guerra. >>eso no serÁ necesario. reclutamos a unos cuantos pulgares mÁs, skkiper. [♪] >>pero miren, ¡quÉ monada! >>y bueno, ¿quÉ esperabas? [gritos y exclamaciones] >>¡¿basta de monerÍas?! vamos a trabajar. nos dividiremos en tres grupos. equipo alfa, fabricaciÓn de placas metÁlicas. equipo bronson, ensamblaje. equipo de servicios de comida. ¿alguna duda? >>eh. >>entonces, a trabajar. [ruidos diversos] >>¿podrÍa besarte, amigo primate? >>de acuerdo. pero eres tan horroroso. [♪ holideals de target! obtén 25% por ciento de descuento en decoración de hogar y más. solo este sábado y domingo. ahorra y reúne a toda tu familia en casa. encuentra ofertas holideals toda la temporada. solo en target. >>escuchen esto, cachorros exploradores: una buena presentaciÓn sale del corazon. anden con el corazÓn y triunfarÁn. >>seguro, seÑor. >>alekey, pasaba por aquÍ y querÍa desearte s

. >> isn't that called darwinism? >> well -- >> not quite that far? >> no. >> can't wait for that story. >> yeah. >> 5:30 on this monday, november 4th. >> mike, we have a nice forecast ahead? >> we do. do some yoga outside. find some goats. just don't hurt yourself. we have fog that is an issue around pen grove, petaluma, rohnert park over towards the coast. we have a bit at the golden gate bridge also. the winds are blowing. some of that fog will bank up against the east bay hills for the morning commute. temperatures mainly in the upper 40s for 7:00. we have 30s in the deepest inland valleys. 62 to 68 at the coast. near 70o 57 the lay a inland a nice drop at 7:00, 52 at the coast. 63 around the bay to 62. i think this fog is going to dissipate a little bit faster than it would have last week thanks to the time change. so by the time we get to 9:00, it should be lifting rapidly. it will hold temperatures down in the 40s. as we head through the rest of the week's forecast, we're locked into this pattern. we'll have a light offshore breeze and get used

his religion if anything was darwinism. and as such he was very much opposed to the science of which much of neurology prospectus. when it turned completely to charts and double-blind experiments and so forth. when it was all about the disease people had rather than leave the disease. he was trying to do a neurology of identity which you think about is almost a contradiction in terms. how can you do a science of the individual but that's what he was into. he was into the infinite expanse inside every individual patient he met which was not what neurology was into. i should mention that on his last birthday when people knew he was dying there was a party for him and the head of neurology at columbia university got up and said that nowadays, this is three years ago, four years ago, nowadays at the columbia neurology department and the medical school of those who apply for residencies in neurology after they get their medical diploma fully 70% mentioned oliver sacks. that's the transformation. independent of what he meant for

. >> february 29, 2016, almost four years since annie's murder and darwin christopher bagshaw's trial was just a week away. he had refused to talk to police and pleaded not guilty. >> we were preparing for trial the following week and i got a phone call that chris' attorney scheduled a hearing that day. >> jaclyn, now a sergeant with the utah state police ran down to court and barely made it in time. when she got there, she saw chris standing before the judge. >> the case is set for a change of plea hearing today. are we going forward with that? >> yes. >> there was no deal offered, just a change of heart. >> are you pleading guilty to the charge because you're guilty of it? >> yes, your honor. >> chris' attorney said chris wanted to take responsibility for what he had done. >> all right. as to count one, murder or first degree felony, how do you plead? >> guilty, your honor. >> a guilty plea. confirming what jaclyn had pieced together over the years of her investigation. and she had a theory about how it all went down. >> march 10, annie is discussing over the phone what her options

it is very reminiscent of the explorers, such as darwin, who went out and collected species to describe them. that then led to theories which transformed biology. who knows, even the contents of their pond could lead to life changing discoveries. richard westcott, bbc news, norwich. the former wales rugby captain gareth thomas is to take up the role of the first of hiv commissioner for england. he revealed he is living with hiv in september and his new role will see him playing a key part in helping to end hiv transmissions in england. kat smithson is the director of policy at the national aids trust. thank you for coming in. what is the purpose of this questioning of the commission has been set up at the aids trust and colleagues at the terrence higgins trust. it is the commission of independent people from across a range of different sectors who are looking at how to end hiv transmissions by 2030. in terms of the role of gareth thomas, he has obviously been very high—profile since he has announced he is hiv positive. i think you announced it in september. he's had announced it in se

ukraine against russia my time's expired and you'll back those times thank you mr chairman thank you darwin this is for testifying tonight i'm delighted to follow mr radcliffe because he just perfectly summarized the defense that my republican colleagues are mounting of this behavior and the defense goes like this the president is acting on some deep historical concern apparently invisible concern about corruption and that because he's so concerned about corruption in ukraine he's holding up aid and being prudent in judicious the 1st part of that is pretty easy to dispose of because president trump wasn't worried about corruption in ukraine in fact in the 2 conversations he had with the president of ukraine on april 21st and july 25th not once does the present a united states use the word that were mentioned corruption to the president the 2nd part of that is a little bit more interesting that he's just being prudent and holding up aid that's not just wrong it's illegal because miss cooper and i want you to help us walk through this since the empowerment control act of 1984 the president ha

has said the baby was no longer considers israeli settlements a violation of international law around darwin it's a coup for palestinians to unite we want to share with the israeli occupation that we stand here united in process injuring confrontations protests have started in the sometimes of towns across the occupied west bank the palestinian authority urged people to take the streets were school am public institutions were given. to the admin and they got a number of the remarks by the u.s. administration with a concern in jerusalem or israeli settlements are widely denounced by all sectors of palestinians earlier on tuesday as 36 year old palestinian family of a gag has passed away in israeli custody he's been sick with cancer and was not allowed to spend his final days with his family sami is the 5th palestinian to die in israeli custody since january although the calls for podesta want to me before him the way his issue of the to me the scene is very important and high on the palestinian. made it must military says it's launched court martial proceedings against soldiers accused of atr

jon: the move from gerald ford to the incumbent disproves darwin. [laughter] [applause] we will move on. [laughter] let's move on to something equally cheerful. we're going to talk about mass suicide. jamestown 1978. the students will not remember this. the 1970's were a chaotic time. they start with charles manson and the murders. went intoaquarius violence. a lot of millennial movements, the late great planet earth. apocalyptic profits and one of them was jim jones who took people to ghana, put andide in a bucket to haved the parents their children drink this. leading to the most significant cult massacre. over, leoressman went ryan. he was one of the few assassinations in the history of congress. when he tried to break this up. was withs assistant him and was wounded down there. you get off the plane and that's what you see. david: it didn't happen just like that. getting there was a remote part of the jungle. we heard is that leo ryan had been killed. there were other people possibly involved. we didn't know, it wasn't like today or you can find

really, because this is classic discovery science and it is very reminiscent of the explorers such as darwin who went out and collected species to describe them and then that led to theories which transformed biology. who knows, even the contents of their pond could potentially lead to life changing discoveries. richard westcott, bbc news, norwich. blimey. i'm surprised it would only ta ke blimey. i'm surprised it would only take ten years, something of that magnitude. now it's time for the film review with mark kermode and carrie gracie. hello. welcome to the film review on bbc news. and to take us through this week's cinema releases is mark kermode. so, mark, what do we have this week? a very mixed bag. we have the good liar, which is a super—ripe drama starring helen mirren and ian mckellen. we have the irishman, martin scorsese, a netflix film that is playing in cinemas. and luce, a very intriguing psychological thriller. so, are we starting with the good liar? we're starting with the good liar. so, helen mirren and ian mckellen. they are silver surfers who meet online. in the very ope

>> the title of your next book at the very least, disproving darwin by jon meacham. let's bring in the congresswoman part of the house intelligence committee that will be voted on by the house and it's great to have you with us. >> it's great to be here. >> i'm sure you can't wait to have the president read the transcript of the call. >> i can't. >> talk about the vote yesterday, what you took into account when you cast your vote and are your surprised that not a single republican voted with you? >> it was a serious moment on the floor. i think everybody understood the historic nature of it and what was at stake and that we were voting for our constitution. we were voting to uphold the democracy and that is what we were sworn in to do. i don't think there was any joy in taking that vote. but, you know, when you have a president who is abusing power, who is asking a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political rival, interfere in our elections, and completely, you know, disregard the aid that congress had already appropriated, you have to take that on. and i think th

also pointing out that icon it federal budget the person who longer works for nsh and, in fact, he and darwin defeated the previous plan, that was going to be acquired by fuji film they essentially took co request and when i asked him if you now will sell begin the expiration of the lockup? he said, no, we're going on the attack little bit it will be from but it's cler the market to your point leaks the sitter jis strakt hp's stock price is declining right now, only up 9 1/2% might have been up to 15% earlier. >> jim might have had something to do about. >>> when we come back, don't miss an exclusive of the fas leader on, edward none a big program ahead. dows up -- down 2. devices are like doorways that could allow hackers into your home. and like all doors, they're safer when locked. that's why you need xfinity xfi. with the xfi gateway, devices connected to your homes wifi are protected. which helps keep people outside from accessing your passwords, credit cards and cameras. and people inside from accidentally visiting sites that aren't secure. and if someone trys we'll let you know. xfi ad

say we're going to roll 75% in, we're going to own.1% of xerox for that and carl icahn came along and darwin deesen, large shareholder, and said, no, no way. what are you doing don't do that. and they won it was a nasty activist battle they won control of the board. they got rid of the ceo. and here we are, take a look at the performance of the stock over the last year we haven't talked about xerox, it has been strong >> we got to look a little further. >> you can look at the lows, december, january period there, and you can see where the stock is now why am i mentioning it today big news from them and their ceo. john byzantine they are dissolving the fuji film long-term partnership that has been in place since 1962 to sell everything over in that part of the world. and for selling their 25% stake, they're getting $2.2 billion add another 100 million from another jv that they're also selling out on they have $2.3 billion in proceeds coming to them, 2.2 billion, i spoke to mr. byzantine this morning by the way, up over 20 times the actual cash flow that was coming out from the jv to xerox you

. >> to me the question is if you believe in capitalism and you also believe in darwinism, which is what -- then you'd say it's net benefit by default and it's pushed companies -- >> you might say that -- better to save 60% of the jobs than 0%. >> that's the fundamental question i don't know the answer. i want to think overall benefit. >> do you think that the failing businesses that are in the po portfolio should be subsidized by the ones that are working so that there's no cleenarance, things that don't work, don't operate should be allowed to exist like over in europe? >> no. i'll tell you what my only hesitation is on this. >> the debt. >> my hesitation is on the debt. my hesitation is in the fact that there have been so many companies that would -- look, my beloved toys "r" us, you can change a lot of things about the retail industry being under fire the reason why that company was put in the position it was was because of the amount of debt the private equity took on to buy it had they not had that debt i think they would be part of our life today these are -- so -- >> and -- >> th

there will be some outliers who fall by the wayside but this is retail darwinism. the strong are rising to the top, the middle is falling apart so we are really seeing the high-end focus on accommodation of online and offline is doing well. traditional boring legacy nothing new to the table retailers are having a hard time. stuart: department stores? >> department stores more than anything else. you and i discussed this over and over again. it's a model that's dying. it's on its last legs. putting a digital band-aid on a model that needs a digital heart transplant is not cutting it. stuart: okay. graphic terms there, but thanks very much indeed. >>> i'm staying on retail and i'm also staying to some degree on department stores. billionaire carl icahn, he's betting against malls. what's he doing? lauren: because the department store is the anchor of a mall and he's betting against the shopping mall, standing to gain $400 million if mall owners cannot service their debt. we have seen announcements more than 7,000 stores will close this year but you also have a lot of

really, because this is classic discovery science and it is very reminiscent of the explorers, such as darwin, who went out and collected species to describe them and then that led to theories which transformed biology. who knows? even the contents of their pond could potentially lead to life—changing discoveries. richard westcott, bbc news, norwich. ambitious stuff. in a moment, alice baxter will be here with latest business news. first, a look at the headlines on afternoon live. a little later than usual. a woman dies in severe flooding in the north of england — police say she was reportedly swept away by the water. snp leader nicola sturgeon launches her party‘s election campaign — saying she‘ll seek an alliance with other parties to lock the conservatives out of government and promising to stop the nhs being privatised. the bbc announces plans for two prime—time election debates — a head to head between borisjohnson and jeremy corbyn and one with all the main british parties. here are your business headlines on afternoon live. mamas & papas has collapsed into administration