for example, there's a lot of illiterate -- >> julian barnes who wrote a number of i guess postmodern novels, i can't think of the one that he wrote the most famous one but what about him? >> he wrote a book called nothing to be afraid of, which is what, when he was a little kid and he was afraid of death. his friend said it's nothing to be afraid of. in this whole book it's about in the fact he's a writer, a famous writer, probably millions have read his book but he figures in a generation or two there will be nobody reading his books. >> not only are people reading it, i'm sure most people remember it but it was quite a big book at the time but so he sort of is right about that, isn't he, that reading his book -- >> he called scratching on the walls of the prison, which is life, and this is a band who doesn't have a religious faith. religious faith is a great consolation, and that's what people are so passionately committed to ideas that have been proven to be incredibly destructive, like social justice and socialism and communism. because it's such a consolation for the meaning nes