it is now run by two people, ken kaplan and kathleen mccarthy. bloomberg sat down with kathleen. >> to figure out what is happening in the economy and people's preferences, and how we put that any real context, in addition to what we've been doing on the back of e-commerce, ucs investing in innovation cities, both in terms of office, as well as rental housing. these are the place is more than their fair share of population and job growth. >> seattle, for example. >> seattle, vancouver, los angeles, san francisco. in europe, place like stockholm or berlin. beyond housing and office, we also look at global travel. we think there is a real push for people to spend more on experiences rather than just things, and that has given us more conviction to invest in high-quality hospitality assets, particularly in coastal markets. >> it makes sense he would be chasing these knowledge centers or innovation cities, may these experienced based opportunities you described. what about the stuff being thrown out with the bathwater while that takes place? are some