barr: no. jerry: let's move on to the other issue occupying a lot of your attention yesterday, which was the publication of the report of the inspector general, michael horowitz, into the origins and the conduct of the investigation of president trump and his associates around the russia allegations, about collusion with russia. mr. horowitz in his report said yesterday, "we concluded the fbi had an authorized purpose when it opened crossfire hurricane, that was the name given to the investigation, to obtain information about or protect against a national security threat or federal crime. you said in response to that yesterday, "the fbi launched an intrusive investigation on the thinnest of suspicions that were, in my view, insufficient to justify the steps taken." could you tell us where exactly it is you disagree with mr. horowitz? atty. gen. barr: first, let me say, i think there are sort of three parts, or issues, categories of analysis in the report. the first is, was the investigation ade

and barr tells him, "hey, shut up. we're all gonna end up in prison." >> and it was somebody with credibility? >> better than what we had before, yeah. >> reporter: but overall, a key problem remained. >> terrible witnesses. >> reporter: meaning detectives spoke with other people who'd also heard the men talk about the murder, but they were not the type a jury would likely believe. like drug and booze soaked gossip. there wasn't enough certainly to support charging peewee. but, thought the prosecutor, maybe he could find a way to go after barr and mcmannis. and he had an idea. bring some of the key witnesses before a grand jury just to see who passed the credibility test and who didn't. >> i've prosecuted over 100 homicide cases and the complexity, and the amount of information that we had to review to determine if we could prosecute this case was the most i'd ever seen. >> reporter: the idea worked. the grand jury indicted both phil barr and dave mcmannis for tara's murder. they were arrested in late 2012, 11 years af

barr: no. >> nothing at all? atty. gen. barr: that is taken out of context, to be fair. in the presidential call, he starts by talking about the abuses the 2016 election. he said our country has paid a heavy price for it and asked to work with the attorney general on that. the fact is, i was smart enough not to get involved with ukraine. at least put it very low on the list. >> [laughter] atty. gen. barr: i'm just saying that had not reached the top of my to do list yet. fortunately, i had not looked at the ukraine situation. then later in the conversation gets into other things and starts throwing different names around. is at the time, i had no dealings with ukraine or rudy giuliani about ukraine. >> it does raise the question, why was this never u.s. investigated? that a citizen was perhaps corruptly acting with the y was all the pressure on the ukrainians and not a matter to u.s. investigatory process? atty. gen. barr: you know, at the time, i don't know whether it was or not, frankly. it has been widely reported that the justice department antitrust division is inve

and barr tells him, "hey, shut up. we're all gonna end up in prison." >> and it was somebody with credibility. >> be -- better than what we had before, yeah. >> reporter: but overall, a key problem remained. >> terrible witnesses. >> reporter: meaning detectives spoke with other people who'd also heard the men talk about the murder, but they were not the type a jury would likely believe. much of what they'd say sounded like drug and booze soaked gossip. there wasn't enough certainly to support charging peewee. but, thought the prosecutor, maybe he could find a way to go after barr and mcmannis. and he had an idea. bring some of the key witnesses before a grand jury just to see who passed the credibility test and who didn't. >> i've prosecuted over 100 homicide cases and the complexity, and the amount of information that we had to review to determine if we could prosecute this case was the most i'd ever seen. >> reporter: the idea worked. the grand jury indicted both phil barr and dave mcmannis for tara's murder. they w

on monday, after barr's own inspector general concluded there was no spying on the trump campaign, barr slammed the report on the president's behalf. >> clearly spied upon. that's what electronic surveillance is. >> which led a cadre of conservative lawyers to say that he had grossly mischaracterized and subverted the ig report. but par went further telling nbc's obama administration was the real villain here, even more than the russians. >> the greatest danger to our free system is that the incumbent government used the apparatus of the state both to spy on political opponents but also to use them in a way that could affect the outcome of the election. as far as i'm aware, this is the first time in history this has been done to a presidential campaign. >> but this is much more than simply doing the boss' bidding. recent speech to the federal society showed barr to be a people's lawyer. >> waging a scorched earth, no holds barred war of resistance against this administration, it is the left that is engaged in the systematic shredding of norms and undermining the rule of law. >> deflect

schumer: when attorney barr picked durham, i was skeptical, because attorney barr has proven to be a mouthpiece for president trump wrongdoing. not an enforce rule of law attorney general. durham's statement today confirms it. if durham was so nonpolitical he never would have issued that statement. >> is there any legislation you would consider -- [indiscernible] >> not at the moment. >> can i ask you about the hearings happening today? quickly -- have you started any conversations with leader mcconnell on how a trial would look? sen. schumer: it's premature to do that until we see what the produces.ally thank you, everybody. announcer: c-span's "washington journal" live every day with and policy issues that impact you. tuesday morning, we're getting monday's housen judiciary committee hearings on evidence.t join the conversation with phone calls, emails and tweets. join the discussion. >> here is a look at our live coverage tuesday on c-span. democrats are holding a news conference to discuss the next phase of the impeachment inquiry against president trump. then the house meets at

senator harris was going to sort of the actions of attorney general barr and also u.s. attorney john durham, barr personally appointed to do his private ukraine investigation. who's policing them? and it's a really interesting point, because what the inspector general is saying, that he doesn't legally have jurisdiction, which is true. the office of professional responsibility doj would but that directly reports to attorney general barr. if you and i sit here and think about within the last week, barr's statements and john durham's statements about the inspector general's report directly talk about an ongoing investigation. i'm a doj alone and can tell you, any lawyer did it, they would foe terribly lose their bar license. it's a very, very serious thing to do. they would be reprimanded at least. >> come back to you. i have more. pivot now toic b breaking news the impeachment of president trump. we learn the whistle-blower's team is preparing for possibility of having to testify before the senate. for that we go to white house reporter sarah westwood. sarah, i mean, thi

user not want to miss it with attorney general william barr. impeachment going down on party lines, something jerry nadler, the house judiciary chair warned about in the last impeachment in 1998. >> impeachment supported by one major political party as opposed by the other. such an impeachment will produce divisiveness and bitterness in our politics for years to come. this is clearly a partisan railroad job. >> during the house impeachment vote for president clinton 98 both democrats and republicans crossed party lines, two articles past, two failed. joining me is the director of james madison program in american ideals and institutions at princeton university, professor robert george. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you for inviting me. >> noah feldman testified during the impeachment hearings in the house a week or so ago and said william barr is attacking his own department. unlike sessions william barr managed not to be criticized by trump but instead of protecting the department of justice and its institutional integrity he has

well, once barr came on the scene, he totally got co-opted byco barr. and now, you're seeing the same thing with durham. there is no way. these guys are so low key. you guys are clearly fbi guys because fbi guys don't talk unless they have to. ever. and when it's the right time to talk, they let the evidence do the talking. this is so out of character for the fbi and for doj. >> you mean the durham statement? to say -- and to be specific, let's read that again. this is the statement from the u.s. attorney who was tapped by william barr.pp william barr has traveled around to at least a couple of foreign capitals with him gathering evidence on the origins of the russia investigation. he said, our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities. both in the u.s. and outside the u.s. based on the evidence collected to date and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the inspector general we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the fbi case was opened. >> yeah. this w

if he likes william barr, what is william barr doing that we don't know about? >> i think it is what we don't know about, what we know about, he's doing both of those things. i think bill barr is by far, by far the most dangerous member of donald trump's cabinet, the most dangerous person anywhere inside the administration besides the president himself because of the views he holds and the position he's in where he can execute those views. those two areas are the two areas that when you know a country is slipping from the rule of law and into aing to ut as you've seen bill barr do, not just by the way he spun the mueller report but killed an investigation in a criminal investigation into the ukraine scandal and then tried to keep the evident from being turned over to congress. and in the second -- trying to get investigations into your political opponents. it is very clear to me this is -- that's what the durham investigation is. it is an investigation to get comey to get brennan, to get clapper, to get the people that the president said i want prosecuted. doesn

barr wants john durham to make the same assessment of the cia. i imagine we'll have the same conclusions. they may have made mistakes but i doubt they were motivated politically. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate it. still ahead, how will democrats counter what could be a huge asset for president trump heading into 2020? why new signs that the economy is stronger than ever are presenting a big challenge to the democratic candidates. right now in iowa, senator amy klobuchar is meeting with voters with just a little more than a month to go before the caucuses. we'll head to that event live next. live next there in time, it will be a massacre. good luck. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. a place for mom

it tells you something about william barr as attorney general. we now know better than to expect his statements about things like this tell you anything about what's in the report. so, we can all read the inspector general report ourselves. in terms of the criticism of the way the fisa application for the carter page fisa warrant went, the fbi has already said they not only accept, they embrace those findings of the report and they embrace the recommendations of the inspeck sor genertor gen how to improve those policies and procedures. apparently there will be a follow on report about reforming the way the fbi and the justice department seek wiretapping applications from the fisa court. okay. but the whole witch hunt idea, the deep state cabal, the russia investigation being a coupe against president trump, all those talking points today took a hard blow from the deep examination of all those crazy claims. and that report arrives in the middle of what may be the climactic impeachment hearing today before the judiciary committee. the committee spe

accusing barr of ignoring his responsibilities as the nation's top prosecutor. one of them was the former federal prosecutor michael j. stern, who told "newsweek" that barr's loyalty to the white house is a perversion of his job. he also told "newsweek" there is inherent conflict in barr's designated role as chief law enforcement officer of this country and his efforts to protect the man who gave him his job. it is unfortunate that bill barr never misses an opportunity to place his thumb on the scales of justice in favor of donald trump. that's not how it's supposed to be. michael j. stern joins us now. michael, thank you for joining us. look. bill barr was named in those phone calls. the very phone calls at the center of this whole thing. and there were people at the time who thought maybe he should recuse himself or maybe he can't oversee this since there are questions about whether barr was in on this with donald trump. but when you go all the way back to the unsolicited memo that he wrote about the russia investigation, the way he was misleading to the publi

bill barr. so he's contradicting his own employee. but, yes. chris wray, another very prominent member of the justice department, head of phifbi has very different take on this report than bill barr. let's listen to this first. >> there's a number of takeaways that are important. one that we fully cooperated with this independent review. two, that we fully accept its findings and recommendations. three, that the inspector general did not find thrill bias or improper motivations impacting the opening of the investigation or the decision to use certain investigative tools during the investigations. >> including fisa. >> including fisa, but that the inspector general did find a number of instances where employees, either failed to follow our policies, neglected to exercise appropriate diligence or in some other way fell short of the standard of conduct and performance that we and that i as director expect of all of our employees. >> okay. so, brooke, the important thing there from wray, it's all important but the really important thing, no politic

we don't have to rely on bill barr smiziummarizing. we can now more easily recognize, yeah, this is what bill barr does as trump's attorney general. him putting out a statement, descenting @findings of the department. we know that's an important story about bill barr, how devoted he will apparently remain to whatever fake exculpatory theory about the behavior of the president and that of his campaign, including all the guys that are under indictment or already in jail. it tells you something about william barr as attorney general. but we know better than to expect that his statements about things like this tell you anything about what's actually in the report. so we can all read the inspector general report ourselves. in terms of the criticism of the way the fisa application for the carter page fisa warrant went, the fbi has already said they not only accept, they embrace those findings of the report and embrace the recommendations of the inspector general about how to improve those policies and procedures, apparently there will now be

bill barr said it may have been more than that. he said he wanted to know if they had active "bad faith" when they went into investigation on the trump campaign. he does not seem to mind the barrage from the left. i traveled with the attorney general to fight a crime-fighting effort in the city. and i asked him about those attacks on the president who just was hours away at the time from impeachment. here's part 1 of our conversation. attorney general barr, thank you for sitting down with me today. >> thank you for having me appear >> martha: by the time this airs this evening, it is expected that the president will be impeached by the house of representatives of the united states. what do you think about that? >> as i said it is a constitutional political process that is underway right now. the department of justice is not part of that. it is premature for me to comment on impeachment at this point. >> martha: when you listen to the call, do you think that it was perfect as the president says? >> i'm not going to get into, if issu

attorney general barr, along with u.s. attorney john durham, both disputing key findings in michael michael horowitz report. the doj watchdog set to testify before the senate judiciary committee tomorrow. barr says publicly splitting with horowitz finding, the launch of the russia probe was justified. >> in one area, i do disagree with the i.g.whether there was predcasion to open a full-blown counter intelligence investigation specifically using techniques that they did to collect intelligence about the trump campaign. >> harris: and that is making news all over washington. democrats have seized on horowitz conclusion that the f.b.i. was justified and not biassed in launching that probe. >> this report conclusively debunks the baseless conspiracy that the investigation into mr. trump's campaign and ties to russia originated with political bias. >> harris: white house press secretary stephanie grisham joins me now. thank you for being here live. >> thank you. >> harris: this is a development from the attorney general to bre

former fbi director jim comey called barr statement "irresponsible," and barr said this about comey. >> one of the things i object to is the tack being taken by comey, which is to suggest that people who are criticizing or trying to get to the bottom of the misconduct are somehow attacking the fbi. i think that's nonsense. >> and on james comey telling chris wallace he was seven layers above the investigation? bill barr said this. >> they pulled the investigation up to the executive floors, and it was run and bird dogged by a very small group of very high level officials. the idea that this was seven layers below him is simply not true. >> barr went on to say that federal prosecutor john durham is investigating a much broader investigation than that of the ig. and is looking at all of the conduct before and after the 2016 election. shannon? >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you. and do not forget to tune into the story with martha maccallum tomorrow night, 7:00 p.m., for that full, exclusive interview, you did not want to miss it come of the attorney general bill barr. impeachment g

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and attorney general barr ought superbly --is inspectors conclusions. the chairman earlier this year wrote "he has the utmost integrity,in his fairness, and impartiality." senator graham ought not because the ig issued a report whose conclusions he does not like ought to not question what he upheld last week. integrity, fairness, and impartiality of inspector general horowitz. clear.tom line is the ig report written by someone that republicans repeatedly praised, embraced her the trump appointed fbi director shows there is no bias for the president's absurd claim that the investigation into his campaign was a hoax or a conspiracy against him. at anhis report comes important time. sides of then both capital having engaged in a new defense of the president this time developed by vladimir putin that ukraine and not vladimir the elections. it does not matter that it has been debunked. including testimony under both from senior officials serving and the trump administration and again by the ig report today. the president's defenders have repeated this conspi

. >> attorney general barr is voicing his objections to the ig report. here is what he told our colleague, pete williams. >> in one area i do disagree with the ig, and that was whether there was sufficient predication to open a full-blown counterintelligence investigation, specifically using the techniques that they o did to collect intelligence about the trump campaign. >> the core statement in my opinion by the ig is that these irregularities, these by misstatements, these owe omissions were not satisfactor satisfactorily explained. and i think that leaves open the possibility to infer bad faith. >> here for our lead-off discussion on a tuesday night, carol lenic, washington post, jeremy bash, former chief of ni staff at cia and pentagon and notably, former chief counsel of the house intel. and michael schmidt, pulitzer prize winner for "the new york times." jeremy bash, first off, what are we watching here? is the attorney general deciding on his own independent truth as the saying goes, all evidence to the contrary? >> what's amazing, brian, is that

barr. that came up today, too and goes to the shadow boxing we're seeing, the house preparing articles of impeachment and the senate finding ways to debate anything but the core of the ukraine plot. the republicans don't want to talk about rudy giuliani. they also don't want to talk about the fact that in donald trump's mind on the call notes, that his white house released, giuliani and barr were function nl. giuliani or barr, they'll call, they'll be in touch, go after my rivals. they don't want to talk about that. they want to talk about someone americans have heard less about, mr. durham. take a listen to that reference today. >> did your office ask attorney general barr and u.s. attorney john durham to share whatever evidence they have that might be relevant to your investigation? >> we asked mr. durham to do that. >> and what about attorney general barr? >> and attorney general barr. >> so thing they could provide altered your office's conclusion that the fbi did not place spies in the

william barr, he says it looks like they were acting in bad faith. the special counsel and continued the investigation of this president. this is damning stuff. what will be the consequences? >> my favorite exchange in that was when he called it a bogus -- the whole thing was bogus. you think about what that ebb tails. he's saying the russia investigation was bogus, and it hangs over the white house for three years. that means if he were attorney general, robert mueller never would have been appointed. we would not have had a mueller because barr as attorney general and jeff sessions who was reviewed, barr would never have appointed mueller on the basis of that information. the whole history of the last three years would have been different if donald trump picked a different attorney general. >> rudy giuliani says it's the greatest regret of his life that he didn't take the job when the president offered it as attorney general. except pore jeff sessions, i -- except for jeff sessions, i don't think anyone you appointed could have done a worse job as

barr, like mr. trump, has failed leadership 101, not in terms -- in terms of not supporting his organization. the fbi, which falls around the department of justice, basically exonerates them from doing anything that might have been politically motivated as far as launching this investigation. it's important to follow up on the inspector general's, you know, items of deficiency, and i think chris wray did a good job of that. but i fail to see how mr. barr is leading the department of justice and the fbi in and honest and credible fashion when he continues to make these statements that clearly are partial to mr. trump and does not say anything at all that really would endorse the great work of the women and men of fbi, which requires, i think on his part, great praise and appreciation. >> john brennan, former director of the cia and nbc news national security analyst, thank you for coming on, appreciate it, sir. >> thank you, chuck. >>> coming up, the justice department inspector general will testify

so if he likes william barr, what is william barr doing that we don't know about? >> i think that it is what we don't know about and what we know about. he is doing both of those things. i think that bill barr is by far the most dangerous member of donald trump's cabinet, the most dangerous person inside the administration other than the president himself because of the views that he holds and the position that he is in. those are the two areas that kind of when up know a country is slipping from the rule of law and into autocracy is when the president can use the power of law enforcement to protect himself and his political cronies from investigations as you have seen bill barr do. he tried to keep the evidence being turned over to congress. and so it is very clear to me that that is what the durham investigation is. it is an investigation to get comey to get brennan, to get clapper, to get the people the president wants prosecuted. they might not be charged, but at least smeared. donald trump has a playbook which is to go out and create a scandal and then somehow

in the abstract barr is correct. if president obama had ordered the fbi to open an investigation and then use the existence of that investigation to tip the scales to hillary clinton, that would be wildly wrong and dangerous and a threat to democracy. but we know that is not what happened thanks to the newly released inspector general's report. a, the white house had no idea the investigation was going on. b, the i.g. found no political bias in the russia probe. c, we know the whole thing didn't leak -- didn't leak because we were there watching it. now, the attorney general is doing the donald trump thing which is no puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet, to try to get his way out of the situation. and this is the man right now who holds his hands over investigative power over the american citizens, all of you watching. it is chilling. joining me now on the profound implications of all this our staff writer for the atlantic who wrote about this in his piece today "the russia hoax is a hoax." and michelle goldberg. "n

now that we got this, coupled that with the comments of both durham and barr and the speech that barr gave, why do i feel that this is a preview of coming attractions that will result in grand jury's convening, criminal investigation has ensued, indictments to follow. do you see that? >> oh, i do. you could tell from the comments of barr and durham today that this is not as horowitz claims, performance failures. no, this is lawlessness and corruption, and as lindsey graham said, criminal enterprise, criminal conspiracy. my columns in my books, i always identify the half a dozen lies and misrepresentations to the fisa court against carter page. turns out, it was three times as bad. 17 of them. and again, these are not just, oh, innocuous, reckless sloppiness. no. it can only be deliberate. this was intentional, to violate carter page's civil liberties and constitutional right, and the real target was always donald trump. they are not -- >> sean: how is this -- >> they are not buying horowitz's claim that there was a legal predicate to investigate donald trump beginning in july of 2016.

>> when attorney general barr picked durham, i was skeptical because attorney general barr has proven to be a mouthpiece for president trump and his wrongdoing, not enforcing a rule of law attorney general and enforcesstatement an that. he never would've issued that statement. >> is there any legislation you would consider based on this report? >> not at the moment. ok? >> can ask you about impeachment -- >> one question. today,hearing happening it will go very quickly with a vote next week, have you started conversations with majority leader mcconnell on how the trial would go? >> it's premature to do that until we see what the house actually produces. thank you, everybody. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >>>> here's a look at our live coverage tuesday. on c-span, house democrats are holding a morning news conference to discuss the next phase of the impeachment inquiry against president trump. then the house meets at 10:00 a

we got the comments of barr and durham. yes, they were limited to what they could do because it was limited to the doj and fbi. our investigation has taken us overseas and sources in the areas where horwitz could not go to get what we found. >> even if you accept that there was a proper predication of starting this, by january they should've stopped. this is what bothered me the most. they never stopped. all the information they got, all the information they learned, that steele relied on, all the lies to the court, because they didn't stop, we wind up getting the bob mueller investigation. what that put our country through for over two years, that's the real take away here. remember, on may 9th, jim comey, when we disposed him they'll make them like deposed him after he was fired, by may 9th they still didn't have anything and that's what michael horowitz told us in the report. but they didn't care appeared because they cut the going we got the mueller administration. >> tucker: one after another. why lift a finger to help

barr accompanied, barr assisted. i don't know what we want to describe it. he has traveled with mr. durham to foreign capitols to participate in the investigation. he writes the attorney general and supporters in congress followed a script. engaged in a cover yo photographed campaign of fox news appearances and testimony to createes expectations about finding proof of a deep state campaign against mr. trump, and then when the proof does not emerge, skew the results and prepare for the next opportunity to execute the play book. here's the problem. have to bet that the trump base will accept that jim comey, a registered republican, i think, andy mccabe, a registered republican, bob mueller a registered republican, horowitz, all met in some tree house and hatched some plot and they all came to the same conclusion. the investigation into russia was necessary and c called for donald trump's campaign and its 150 plus contacts were worthy of investigation. all the tactics as christopher wray said were justified even if they weren't all used perfectly as the report suggests there were probl

he's talking about william barr because he knows william barr. what does he say about rudy? he's disappointed. he's disappointed in a man who's become something that we can't figure out anymore and has bought into all of this nonsense that could lead to deep trouble for the rule of law. i'm glad william webster spoke out. i hope americans listen, and i hope the right americans listen who are on the fence wondering whether there's damage being done that we need to stop in progress. >> william barr also -- webster found fault with attorney general barr's criticism of the inspector general's report. he says that the attorney general criticized inspector general's report, and the claim the fbi investigation was based on a completely bogus narrative. those were william barr's words. they then goes on to list the findings of the mueller investigation and, andrew weissman, that is something i don't think anyone could have anticipated that there would be an attorney general publicly arguing against the findings of an inspector general's report. and doing so with no evidence whatsoev

bill barr is out there. articles are introduced. horowitz testifies today. on one hand they get exactly what they want. they create sort of confusion about mueller, the obsession to get trump. that story is out there. it seems as if this is part of a strategy the way the trump administration has used the government to respond to impeachment. >> last night in hershey, pennsylvania, i was there, covering president trump's rally. he talked about the ig report. he talked about the ongoing impeachment inquiry. he claimed that he was spied on. this is the counternarrative that has been building on the trump campaign, on the white house side, the republican party for a long time. when you read the

muriel and barr become models. there's muriel with curly blond hair and there's the dark combliness and a ring just like the ring gives harriet in the honeymoon. so barr was a high school opportunity and passed along a rumor and given that ring by a fiance who died in the war, but this is probably mixing two things up. barr's brother graham was killed leading them into action. the ring was a gift from muriel, a fiance who was invisible because of her sex not her death. the writing of busman's honeymoon, was a collaboration, 50/50. back home in excess, she consulted with her soliciter to make sure it was realistic and the murder machine was physically realistic, the closest i'll get to a spoiler, i promise. by february 1916, dls had written 4,000 words of dialog and muriel had written in turn. they got together february, march, a lunch. and in between visits spoke on the telephone and sent each other detailed drafts and long lettered questions, and one signed charmingly, your partner in guilt, dorothy l sayers. and

they have had a change named bill barr. but, you know, things are proceeding on a lot of different fronts now, and fast, and we're not sure what's going to overtake what, tharnks to a freedom of information lawsuit filed by jason leopold of buzz news. it's mostly fbi notes from people who have been interviewed as part of the grand jury investigation and the fbi investigation under mueller. several hundred pages of material, we're still going through that material in detail tonight. i will tell you among other things, it appears from these materials that were just forced into the open tonight by a court order, it appears that michael cohen, the president's now imprisoned former personal lawyer. he appears to have told the fbi in one of his fbi interviews that one of the president's impeachment lawyers, jay sekulow told him when he was preparing his congressional testimony about the russia investigation and specifically the trump tower moscow building project, michael cohen appears to have told the fbi that sekulow told cohen

attorney general barr hasn't brought that up. it seems as though his deputy, rod rosenstein approved those renewals and there was intelligence being gained from each of those sclas aurveillanc renewals. so the question is how would the united states defend itself in election 2020 against interference from any foreign power snand ha power? and i have no idea what attorney general barr would approve at that point. there seems to be no predicate that could be established. i i'm sure if you're working counterintelligence i would go into the office and look at the sports page because there's not real clear guidance but about what you can do and if you do get involved, you're most likely to be punished from the white house or capital. >> i know you're not an fbi agent but you understand the cultural age and the people there. christopher wray sa christopher wray said something that was unimaginable and donald trump said something that he might be letting the blade go here and we may not have christopher wray long for this world in this

you have barr then knock them down. and, remember, this started with a whistle-blower complaint which the ig in the office of the director of national intelligence said this is something we have to pass on. remember, barr said this is something we -- it's not a priority. that is all outside the way this is supposed to function. >> we listen to all of michael horowitz, the inspector general's testimony yesterday for seven, eight hours, and he is very, very impressive. >> yeah. >> and the thing about barr is we know that he came in to office believing very strongly in executive power. this was his whole -- he's written about it extensively. some say he auditioned for the job by sending a memo on the authority of the president and that's why they hired him, but this goes beyond -- this really goes beyond the sort of notion of executive authority. and this question of donald trump can do nothing wrong. and that's effectively where barr is, even to the point, and you say, the inspector general, very impressive yesterday. and

they both barr and durham made clear today that they have to some degree prejudged the result in barr's investigation and so now we will continue the waiting game to see where that comes out. >> jim, the president sometimes watches this show, is told about it on a regular basis, makes my life a bowl of cherries. what would you like him to know? >> he should know we were trying to do our jobs for the country, trying to protect the country from russia. this was always all about russia. and as shown by the mueller report and the indictments, the russians are trying to hurt the country. and i call upon the president to step up to the russians and insist that they cease and desist from any efforts to interfere in our elections and he needs to put the interests of the country ahead of his own political interests at every turn. he should come forward with respect to the impeachment, he should let everybody cooperate with that inquiry and get to the bottom of it, let the secretary of state, mr. bolton and everybody else cooperate. always put the interests of the country first, put your personal

barr's view. but major questions remain here, and raising those questions is a cost that barr is obviously willing to pay in order to do this pr about what i was just discussing with a different guest, the doj report. as far as the trump witch hunt is concerned this st. clunker that failed to deliver on donald trump's lies about the fbi committing treason or illegally hunting down his campaign, and those lies matter. because tonight i want you to know amidst everything else going on those lies stand fact checked by donald trump's own justice department, which is why barr and trump are trying to muddy the findings and yes now point to the next probe by barr's hand picked prosecutor john durham who's conducting his own russia review, a bit of deja vu that "the new york times" captures pretty perfectly today with a stinging summation i want to share with you. trump and barr re-upping a script they have used for nearly three years. engage in a carographed campaign of presidential tweets, fox news appe

today william barr cheers on donald trump in everything donald trump does and says. and to do that he has to do what other republicans have to do which is ignore evidence, extort evidence and when necessary lie about the evidence. attorney general barr did all of those things today in an exclusive interview with pete williams. william barr said based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, quote, in most campaigns there are signs of illegal foreign money coming in. that is absolutely not true. that is a lie that the attorney general told today to try to help donald trump. he also said he disagreed with the justice department inspector general that there was sufficient evidence for the fbi to start an investigation of the trump campaign's possible involvement with russia's attack on our election. >> i think when you step back here and say what was this all based on, it's not sufficient. remember there was and never has been any evidence of collusion. and yet this campaign and the president's administration has been dominated by this investigation into what turns out to

barr is exactly right. this was a flimsy pretext, you are looking at just in the carder page fisa application alone, 17 big egregious errors in one fisa affidavit. so when you begin look at that, and then mr. horowitz says there were serious errors in other aspects of in the origins of the investigation. when he starts talking that way and then comes out with the conclusion there was no bias. that's what drives us crazy. trish: we weren't born yesterday. for goodness sake. no corroboration, no supporting documentation. inaccurate. no verify case, failed to disclose sub service. fbi less than candid, lapse in judgment. he's telling us they are a whole bunch of idiots at the fbi incapable of doing their job. there are there was no bias. we weren't born yesterday. this couldn't have happened without bias. >> you are exactly right. we go back to the strzok-page interchange that they had. they were talking. they were revealing bias. they weren't the only ones. when you look at this. my comment today was 17 error

>> and attorney general barr. >> thank you. so nothing they could provide altered your office's conclusion that the fbi did not place spies in the trump campaign? >> none of the discussions changed our findings. >> that was even more important. we are going to get to the difference between what horowitz and durham claimed on monday. but that feels even more important. to build on frank's point, just how people understand the significance of that. >> i think it's incredibly significant that what the inspector general is saying he found is that the fbi had the lawful authority to open that investigation. and i do think it goes to this dispute over what john durham said and what the attorney general said on monday. because for two days what we heard is the attorney general saying no they didn't, they didn't have the authority, i disagree. and the attorney general is saying not only do i disagree, but john durham disagrees. and what horowitz said today is that, no, john durham didn't really disagree that the fbi had no reason to op

neither ag barr, nor john durham could offer him anything. ari, if those two men have blockbuster evidence that this was a witch hunt, that this was not have been opened the way it was, don't you think they would be screaming it from the rooftops? >> i do. i do. i read the report. it's long but it's interesting in some ways but it's fundamental debunking of the witch hunt is the most important thing. that's why they cared about it. they didn't care about civil liberties in theory or practice, whatever. republicans on this committee as we reported largely backed the very laws for the way these warrants are handed out. if they want to rewrite them, they can, if they care about the policy. if there was evidence of, i don't know, a broom or witch hat or photos of witches, whatever, you would think this would be the time to dramatically unfurl it. instead, mr. durham, who one of our analysts pointed out, during the entire cia tapes case, when he was getting slammed by all sides, never issued a public statement. coughs up a statement that looks lik