and while critics say giuliani is partly to blame for what happened to trump, giuliani and his client, president trump, remain intent on his quest to dig up dirt on trump's political rival, joe biden, and his son hunter. last week giuliani traveled to ukraine to meet with officials while back at home, constitutional experts were testifying on capitol hill about the parameters for different articles of impeachment. on monday, giuliani appeared on a podcast and promised to reveal what he says he has found in ukraine. >> i was going to do an outline of it and try to present it at the convenience of the republicans in congress and the attorney general at the end of this week. i should probably have it ready on wednesday or thursday. i don't know exactly when it will be made public, but it should be ready by then. i worked on it all weekend. >> reporter: according to "the wall street journal," trump called giuliani saturday as soon as giuliani's plane landed in new york and asked, what did you get? the journal reports he replied, more than you can imagine. >> he's going to make a report, i

ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch about a different giuliani source. >> in fact, did giuliani try to overturn a decision that you participated in to deny shokin a visa. >> yes that's what i was told. >> that denial was based on mr. shokin's corruption? >> yes, that's true. >> the list of republicans questioning exactly what mr. giuliani is doing is growing. >> rudy giuliani is still running his own game of diplomacy aiming to dig up dirt on democrats in ukraine. he said president trump was very supportive of his efforts in ukraine. >> how much has giuliani shared with you about his recent trip to ukraine? >> not very much. he's a great crime fighter. he loves our country. he does this out of love. >> giuliani stopped short of saying whether trump directed him to go on his most recent trip to kiev but we're on the same page giuliani told cnn. giuliani comments back up a central argument for democrats in favor of impeaching the president, that drufrp and his personal attorney pressured ukraine. giuliani admitted to helping recall the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine off, a well-kno

the magazine sat down with rudy giuliani earlier this month and in the interview giuliani insisted he did nothing wrong during his ukraine trips. he also shared his thoughts on investigators looking into him and on his inner circle that is getting smaller among many, many other things. >> so many things. >> and the question is how much is him, giuliani, being giuliani and what he has to say. he said, the president was annoyed because over the last couple of weeks i've been pulling all his facts together and i haven't been on television. people who think he doesn't like me on television, i don't know where they get that from. it's just the opposite. does the president want him out there even though he's in the middle of this impeachment and scandal? >> number one, if this is all an orchestrated plan, i will buy everybody lunch. i don't think it is. number two, the president thinks he is his own best spokesperson. if the president were to rank his own top aides and rudy giuliani, giuliani would be between somebody else and president trump. number three, most of the president's aides and

giuliani, right? we know that he's continued to say that he's simply just representing his client which is mr. trump, president trump. but we also know that rudy giuliani has a knack for going overseas and trying to find business. so, what we don't know is what else is going on behind the scenes in budapest, in kyiv, and elsewhere around the world. there have been report that is have come out over the past six or eight months or so that giuliani and his associates are strapped for cash, looking for money. >> sure. >> and so in that context, i think both of those things are concerning for top officials, the sort of con flags between giuliani looking for business and then giuliani representing president trump because that line is very thin. >> and representing president trump for freebie getting paid by someone to go on these big trips and do this work. >> erin bran coe, we will be coming back to you. coming back to you woman 1 oc: this is my body of proof. man 1 vo: proof of less joint pain and clearer

giuliani calling omb anyway. everyone is back with me. gloria, do you think president trump should be worried after today's report and specifically to jim's reporting about giuliani? >> sure. he's half way thrown him under the bus so i think he may be all of the way under the bus in the not too distant future. of course, the president is concerned, and they can downplay it all they want, but this is a comprehensive report that says a couple of things that should be concerning to the white house. one, this isn't just about a phone call. this is what the report calls a dramatic kresh endo within a month's long campaign driven by the president and his senior officials and they go through who they are and they include the vice president in that, i would add, and they say that they were either knowledgeable or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal, political benefits sought by the president. in other words, as gordon sondland put it, everyone was in the loop, and then they go t

omb to rudy giuliani. there's a couple of zero time calls from rudy giuliani to a, the omb number. maybe that was a pocket dial or butt dial then at 15:57. 3:57, 40 odd minutes the call with the omb number, there's a 22 sexd call with tsecond call the white house switchboard. a 17 second call. a couple hours later. seems like he's trying to get ahold of somethibody and is not being put through with the duration of these calls. >> this adds to the evidence people saw in those public hearings because this is all happening, this log is august 8th. on august 9th, we know from public tennells that became public, and i'm reading again from this new report you have, sondland saying potus wants a deliverable on august 9th, you have ambassador volcker saying we've consulted with everythion quote, including rue di, let's get back on the phone. so we knew there was a lot of plotting going on. what's new is not only is rudy giuliani in the center of this plot, we knew that. but rudy giuliani is having what sounds like lengthy conversations with the budget office and a day later, the so-called

put giuliani in charge. step three, freeze the military aid to ukraine, which democrats say was the key to get leverage for extorting donald trump's re-election help. execute the plot by showing ukraine the conditions for the money and the military help they needed, desperately needed according to those witnesses we heard from. this report documents in more detail than we've ever seen in public how donald trump's white house meeting and this critical military funding was explicitly going to be in exchange for the enlisted political investigations against the bidens. trump and his key aides long before the call about those demands, to announce toes political investigations in public. right here, that is a lot. it's backed up by the evidence. now if this new report was documenting a shadow or rogue plot, the white house could have, of course, stopped it when it was exposed. this is where the cover-up is key and why the news tonight shows congress moving toward impeaching president trump on multiple grounds, on

giuliani, officials at the white house, and giuliani's lawyer. we have not gotten a straight answer about exactly what president trump and giuliani have spoken about but we do know they spoke about the ukraine trip if not briefly and at length for at least an hour is what we heard. we've also heard that giuliani has brought back a lot of materials from ukraine to brief president trump. documents and other kinds of materials that he's brought back after meeting with these two individuals in parliament who i mentioned earlier. now, "the daily beast" previously obtained a 50-page document from one of those ukrainian parliamentarians and that specific dossier has been circulated among top officials in the past several months and what it lays out are allegations saying that ukraine actually interfered in the 2016 election and it wasn't russian. that is a well debunked conspiracy theory that has been propagated for at least a year. and we know these kind of material has made its way into giuliani's hands and has been briefed, has been sort of read out

is rudy giuliani going to come in and testify under oath? >> well, we have subpoenaed rudy giuliani for his records and he has refused to comply and refused to cooperate like so many other witnesses that have refused. >> brennan: but you know the president is talking about here? >> look, i have a little idea what the president is talking about except that the president is only too happy to have his personal attorney continue to seek foreign interference in the next election. this is not something that started or ended with ukraine, it began with the, when the president invited russia to intervene in the last election and when the president tried to force ukraine to do it now and dash we feel we have to move forward and we simply can't wait for an election in which the president is seeking already to prejudice by foreign intervention. >> brennan: you know, in the 300 page report that your committee put out it included some call logs, including numbers related to congressman nunn yes, sir and a journalist and there has been a lot of blowback o

shared a tweet from rudy giuliani. the two men friday after giuliani returned from ukraine, among claims giuliani is making former pr former prosecutor says he was poisoned, died twice and is back. this is the president's lawyer. i mean, what? i think his followers or supporters are holding tight with him. also if you look at the polling, it is not just among the public at large, it is independents that moved in the last couple months to support impeachment. democrats are united. he has to be thinking about that as well. that's why i think it is becoming more frenetic and insane. >> everyone stick around. thank you so much. maybe we can talk it out. the united states reaching out to north korea to try to ease growing tensions. stay with us. tax-smart investing, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay. mom, are you painting again? you could sell t

rudy giuliani. he met with this client in the white house on friday to discuss the findings from his fact finding mission to ukraine to attempt to dig up dirt on the bidens. you say giuliani is acting on his own is creating a counter intelligence vulnerability. is that correct? ? >> absolutely. he's apparently according to him collected a lot of good information. air quotes. i wonder how much of this information actually emanated from russians. who try to feed this narrative. when they can point to ukraine as interfering in the election of 2016. and divert attention away from them. putin will be happier than a pig in the sunshine about this. the way this is going. i question the providence of this information the russians have strong -- for feeding of false or fabricated information about corruption or whatever it is he's gathered in ukraine. >> a shocking admission in new yorker telling the reporter i believe i needed former u.s. ambassador to ukraine yovanovitch out of the way. she was going it ma

of course rudy giuliani, he was a u.s. attorney. he knows that you have a department of justice that the u.s. could use to conduct a reasonable investigation if there is substance there. when we see him now tweeting about this and continuing these trips to ukraine, i mean, is he basically conducting ask and admitting to soliciting foreign election interference? >> it's not how he would characterize it. he's argued extensively for the past several months talking with me and other reporters that he's doing this on behalf of his personal client president donald trump, and of course he's talked about his -- both publicly and privately -- that he did push for yovanovitch to be removed. he thought she was bad. that's what he's been saying for months. what we now know is that rudy giuliani is sort of admitting here that his push to remove yovanovitch was really tied to the fact that she, he claims, was interfering in his work on behalf of the president. so what we're really seeing here is a sort of mixing of official business, him talking

what in the world is rudy giuliani up to? joining me is joel rubin and eleanor clift, washington correspondent for the daily beast. joel, i'm going to start with you on that one. what in the world is rudy giuliani up to? >> well, yasmin, shadow foreign policy sounds too regal, too kind for him. this is just plain old corruption. what rudy giuliani was engaging in was seeking to move a foreign leader out of power on behalf of his own potential clients, on behalf of a member of congress' constituents or business partners, quite frankly, and really was looking out for himself and the real big question is was he informing the president. did president trump know about this? and what was he telling president trump behind the scenes and obviously behind john bolton's back. this is part of a dirty pattern. this is consistent with the way giuliani has been behaving in multiple hot spots around the world. one doesn't know who he represents and he is really is in essence a walking crime scene. >> eleanor, let me read a part of this piec

giuliani. so that meeting is actually quite important to that investigation. >> and sir, you already explained that on may 23rd, the offici only thing they said was talk to rudy. he was taking his official people of ukraine and handing them over to rudy giuliani so they could work with him on issues he was focused on in reference to the tweet. is that fair? >> i agree that's what that shows, that the july 23rd meeting he put ukraine matters with ambassador sondland and perry and told them to meet with rudy. in the next few months, that's what happened at the president's direction. >> let me show you slide 22, if i may. you understood the ukranians recognized how important rudy giuliani was and organized him in order to stay together. >> they continued it through their own communication channels because giuliani had backchannels to getting to the ukraine officials. ambassador volker told the ukranians as well that there was this, quote, giuliani factor, that he told to president zelensky that th

giuliani give you a call." now he says of giuliani -- >> no. i didn't direct him, but he -- he -- he is a -- he is a warrior. rudy is a warrior. rudy went and you have to understand, rudy has other people he represents. >> it's a familiar pattern. >> trump praises his allies and friends effusively right before they get into trouble and then suggests he never knew them that well and certainly not what they were up to. take his previous personal lawyer michael cohen for two of the years worked hand in glove. >> they say i'm mr. trump's pit bull, that i'm his -- i'm his right-hand man. >> but when cohen came under intense legal pressure about campaign funds and payments to women allegedly involved with trump, charges that would eventually land cohen in prison and suddenly trump seemed to know nothing about what his lawyer had been doing. >> i haven't spoken to mike in a long time. >> he's a weak person and not a very smart person. >> have you talked to president trump in the last week or two? >> cohen's successor rudy giuliani insists he and trump

giuliani doing. if he really does have information, if he considers himself to be a whistle-blower about certain improper activities with respect to u.s. persons, particularly department of state employees, he ought to just consider himself a whistle-blower and go to the department of state, office of inspector general, and share his information and let the oig do its thing, or go to doj and do the same thing. it sounds like he's trying to have it both ways. he's both trying to create a negative picture about the ambassador, about the bidens, about whomever, but not really ever deliver any actual evidence to anybody who would do anything about it. >> why is he going after yovanovitch so hard? it's like she's public enemy number one for him? >> i think it's a distraction. i think he needed to come home from ukraine, and instead of talking about disinformation he got from pro-russian ukrainian officials, many of whom lost their jobs, that he would focus on something that involved testimony and try to a

the president defending giuliani's recent trip to ukraine, where giuliani continued to try to dig up dirt about president trump's political rival joe biden. >> he was a very great crime fighter, probably the greatest over the last 50 years, very smart, best mayor in the history of the city of new york, a great person who loves our country, and he does this out of love, believe me, he does it out of love. >> love or money. out front now, gloria borger, cnn political analyst, joe lock hea hearth, and mike shield, gloria let me start with you. president trump says giuliani is doing this out of love. >> well, i think rudy giuliani and donald trump in many ways are in all of this together. when you think about these two gentlemen who have been talking about this for a very long time, they're the ones who believe, of course, that ukraine also interfered in the election. they may be the only two who really believe that, at least that's what rouge is trying to prove. and i think if you were to ask a lot of republicans, inside the white house and outside the white house, about whether they be

giuliani. i know "the new york times" reported in may that ambassador volcker gave a pretty detailed account of his meeting on july 19th. >> if we could put up slide 16. "the new york times" article you're referring to. right and the article says i'll read it. mr. giuliani, dated may 9th, 20 is the, bf the call. mr. giuliani says he plans to travel to kiev and wants to meet with the nation's president-elect to pursue inquiries and continues that allies of the white house could yield information on two matters of intense interest to mr. trump. one is the origin of the special counsel investigation. the other is the involvement of joe biden's son. okay and now that was in "the new york times" article. and -- >> can we talk about the breakfast with volcker? >> not yet. if we could continue the rest of the article to the next slide, which is slide 17. this is the same article. and mr. giuliani was very explicit when interviewed. he said and this isn't foreign policy. now he's quoting with the words

what's giuliani telling you? >> just like he did in that interview, he's saying in texts i'm not confirming that i'm there. not here. i'm not confirming that i'm there. but he said in various ways he's still determined to prove his client's innocence and then talked a lot about all the reasons why he believes that joe biden did a lot of things wrong. the other interesting thing he saud is one of the bombshells in the intelligence impeachment report they put out a couple of days ago was an allegation that they have phone records that show rudy giuliani in communication with omb, the office of management and budget. and the reason that's significant is they're the ones who deal with the aid -- the freezing of the aid and the question is why would the president's personal attorney be involved? he said -- i asked about that. he said, don't remember calling omb and not about military aid. never knew anything about it. i was told and maybe this is sort of -- the committee -- their source for the phone records were the

role very clearly he testified mr giuliani was expressing the desires of the president of the united states and we knew these investigations were important to the president to others mr giuliani was working at cross purposes with official policy channels toward ukraine even as he was working on behalf of president trump according to former national security adviser ambassador john bolton mr giuliani was a quote hand grenade was going to blow everybody up unquote near the end of the july 25th call president selenski circled back to the pre-cooked message that ambassador volker had relayed to president selenski top aide before the call president selenski said i also wanted to thank you for your invitation to visit the united states states specifically washington d.c. on the other hand i also wanted to ensure you that we will be very serious about the case and we will work on the investigation in other words on one hand is the white house visit while on the other hand he would agree to pursue the investigations. this statement shows that president selenski fully understood at the time o

the rudy giuliani i know is the rudy giuliani that fought the mob when it wasn't a popular thing to do. he put his life on the line on 9/11. if anyone ought to get the benefit of the doubt, it would be mayor giuliani. >> i don't think it's giuliani that's the problem. it's who sent him, congressman. who is paying him? why is he there? if this is foreign policy, why is mayor giuliani involved at all? >> i don't know. >> you need to defend the president, you must know. >> no. what i can do is point to the democrat of nsc official, mr. morrison, who said when asked about giuliani's involvement, that he wasn't concerned. he didn't think it was anything inappropriate. >> he was the only one. >> it was unusual. and our country has -- our country has a history of using people in a nonprodecisitraditi to engage in foreign policy. the president has engaged with me to carry a message outside of the official channels. i don't think there's anything wrong with that inherently. if rudy giuliani did something wrong, there's a process to deal with it. >> there's a couple of investigations going on. w

in yourastor, you wrote report, rudy giuliani, the ukrainians themselves knew that rudy giuliani, the president lawyer, was a conduit to convince president trump that president zelensky was a serious reformer. ukrainians -- >> isn't that what you said? he was a conduit? slide 14, we have your report here. knewys, the ukrainians that rudy giuliani was a conduit to convince president trump that president zelensky was serious about reform. in fact, during the call, president trump asked president zelensky to speak to his personal lawyer about ukrainian matters that president trump was interested in. mr. castor: you are referring to rudy, yes. >> president zelensky said, we knew that and he has been in touch with my aides. correct? mr. castor: that is right. ukrainians are the one that resident zelensky brings up rudy giuliani on the call. >> they knew he was a conduit to the president and if they made it giuliani happy, they may president trump happy. a. castor: giuliani had negative impression of ukraine and he was possibly fueling the president's views. there was discussions about, if

giuliani claims without proof that the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine was controlled by billionaire democratic donor george soros. giuliani says he's quote, more of a jew than soros who is a holocaust survivor. rails an expletive filled rant against prosecutors who are going to investigate him. kristin holmes live in florida where the president is spending the holidays. >> that was quite the interview. we've actually seen his personal attorney rudy giuliani around west palm beach. he's been taking selfies skprgs he's been spotted at mar-a-lago dancing the night away, mingling with guests. if you weren't paying attention, you might not know this man was at the center of an meeflt impe of a u.s. president. when it comes to that looming senate trial, i would not expect any kind of christmas miracle to break the impasse between democrats and republicans. while congress is not in session these lawmakers have not been quite spreading the holiday cheer, and instead attacking each other on what comes next. top lawmakers digging in deeper i

giuliani. that's him telling the ukrainian president talk to rudy, talk to rudy about the stuff i want you to do. in an interview with a former fox news host, president trump denied he ever directed rudy giuliani to do anything concerning ukraine. he was asked in this interview what rudy giuliani was doing on his behalf, and the president responded, you have to ask that of rudy, he has other clients other than me. sod this part of it is going to be hilarious, subpoenas demanding information about mr. giuliani's business. planned or actual payments to him, subpoenas seeking that information have been flying out of the federal prosecutor's office with mr. giuliani in those kinds of crosshairs, president trump is pretending he has no idea what mr. giuliani may have been doing in the ukraine. he repeatedly told the president of the ukraine he needs to talk to giuliani. now he's like, rudy who? where, i wonder who he was working for, he has lots of clients. i bet he has other clients getting help ab

one of the calls between giuliani and dash-1 lasted more than eight minutes. later the same day the state department recalled ambassador marie yovanovitch over concerns from the white house and august 8th, giuliani texts a white house number at 8:53 p.m. a little over an hour later he misses five calls from the dash-1 number and 15 this call came as ukrainian were pushing u.s. diplomats for a meeting between zelensky and trump. democrats say the call log show the extent to which giuliani was running the show on ukraine matters, conspiracy theories and the push for investigations. >> it does tell a story of giuliani really being the guy who is doing all of these things and driving this stuff in ukraine. and as we know rudy giuliani is not an employee of the federal government. >> well, erin, we cannot overstate it what the phone records reveal are highly unusual as a former omb official said to me this morning there is no reason the president's personal attorney should be calling people at omb regarding budgetary matters. because that's what the agency handles.

rudy giuliani was explicit. this was not foreign policy, we'll be quoting with the words that are highlighted. it will be very helpful to my client, my only client is the presidentnl of the united state he's the one that i have an obligation to report to. were you aware on that same day mr. rudy giuliani gave an interview about what he intended to do and let's go to slide 18. >> this is from "real clear politics." it should be on the screen in front of you as well. what mr. rudy giuliani said about the ukraine, "it is a big story, a dramatic story, i guarantee you joe biden will not get to election day without this being investigated, not because i want to see an investigation," you agree election day refers to 2020 election where president trump will be running for reelection. >> i guess you are right. >> that was my only question to you. you will have to answer questions from the minority council. now and president trump show you -- >> we'll sidestep the volker meeting in 2018? >> let me go to slide 19, please

giuliani or mr. parnas or with others. and whether that or to what degree that informed his conduct during the course of the hearings are again questions for him to answer. >> there are some calls in there in which it's not clear -- it's not identified exactly who rudy giuliani is speaking to. there's "the new york times" report tonight indicating that the possibility is the president could be on the other end of those phone calls. what can you tell us about that? >> well, the short answer is we don't know for sure. we have been trying to get records from the white house which has been unwilling not only to share them with us but looks like unwilling to share them with witnesses like their own ambassador to the eu gordon sondland. but we can't see in the roger stone trial that when roger stone was in communication with the president, it showed up as a dash one number. whether that's the same situation here, we don't know, but we're trying to find out. it is worth noting, however, that rudy giuliani has one client in the wh

>> rudy giuliani is trump's lawyer. so we proved in our case donald trump is rudy and rudy is donald trump. and they are inp inseparable, but lawyers act on behalf of their clients and almost everyone that knew of this relationship said rudy was asking as trump's guy. and donald trump told them talk to rudy, he's my guy. >> are you surprised as the ranking committee member, you know, devin nunes of california he's been opposing all this investigation was in fact an operative. he was moonlighting. he was on the phone with rudy's bunch, with lev parnas, did that surprise you when you learned that? >> no, a lot of things surprise me. that did not surprise me at all. he's got priors. he was the midnight runner in the russia investigation going over to the white house. but i guess maybe what was surprising for the american people was that the ranking member used all of his time during a serious impeachment process not to get to the facts, understand what it meant, but to falsely attack the chairman when now we've learned he

giuliani had helpers. beyond the trump administration officials and ambassadors who were all told to call rudy and coordinate anything they were doing with ukraine through rudy giuliani, he also had a couple of helpers outside the u.s. government, a couple of guys we've come to think as a sort of trendy boy band duo named lev and igor. lev and igor not only became apparently constant companions for mr. giuliani as he carried out this scheme on the president's orders they also for whatever reason seemed to have turned up a lot in the company of president trump himself. president trump insists he's never met these guys and doesn't know them, but there's a lot of pick toral evidence to the contrary. lev and igor were both arrested at dulles airport in the washington, d.c. area. they were attempting to board one way flights out of the country. and it lays out allegations they funneled illegal donations including foreign money to various republican candidates and causes including to the main super pac supportin

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up next, president trump's giuliani problem. talk about having a strange relative wandering around somewhere in the attic. what is he doing? what's he doing in ethiopia? ukraine. now attorney general barr sees rudy as a liability, political liability. he works with ukraine to dig up political dirt on biden. he's not stopping. the fingernails are growing on the body. he went from america's mayor to a power broker of interest. bad read. r? r? or could things go a different way? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot. almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another, and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis ca

giuliani, officials at the white house, and giuliani's lawyer. we have not gotten a straight answer about exactly what president trump and giuliani have spoken about but we do know they spoke about the ukraine trip if not briefly and at length for at least an hour is what we heard. we've also heard that giuliani has brought back a lot of materials from ukraine to brief president trump. documents and other kinds of materials that he's brought back after meeting with these two individuals in parliament who i mentioned earlier. now, "the daily beast" previously obtained a 50-page document from one of those ukrainian parliamentarians and that specific dossier has been circulated among top officials in the past several months and what it lays out are allegations saying that ukraine actually interfered in the 2016 election and it wasn't russian. that is a well debunked conspiracy theory that has been propagated for at least a year. and we know these kind of material has made its way into giuliani's hands and has been briefed, has been sort of read out

giuliani says he has more information than we can imagine. if he does, surely now is the time to get it out there, that impeachment is coming down the tracks, now is the time. speak up, giuliani. >> yeah, more information than we can imagine, probably, keir, because it's fantastical and fictional in nature. i agree with glenn, put this man under oath under penalties of perjury and let him attest to congress what he has found, but, listen, the client for rudy giuliani is donald trump. donald trump sometimes wants to hide and pretend like that's not the case but an attorney/client relationships exists and one that giuliani reinforces. donald trump being his client is now facing the largest and most challenging political fight of his life in terms of an impeachment trial. if giuliani had something of value that could help exculpate or assist his client we would have known about it by now. unfortunately and interestingly we also know that giuliani has said it will be prepared this a 20-page report. how does he know it's going to be 20 pages? ther

we don't know everything about their relationship to giuliani or all the things that giuliani was trying to accomplish in ukraine. we know in addition to calling it bold and brazen other republicans have called it weird, just outside of what their comfort zone is. many republicans on capitol hill had to expand their comfort zone during the trump presidency. that doesn't make all of this or any of it impeachable. it makes it hard to understand and uncoil. that is at the heart of one of these articles of impeachment. obstructing congress. congress wants to know much more than the president and his administration have allowed it to know. yes, they have abandoned many house democrats to carry it through, but it lies at the center to one of the articles of impeachment. >> let's bring in law professor kim whaly. also with us jonathan turly one of the constitutional law experts called to testify by the republicans. let's break down the two articles of impeachment against the president. address each of them step by step. >> the first one is an abuse of power claim which is not unique. there are

so, rebecca, rudy giuliani at the white house today. you report that he says his relationship with the president, rather than getting weaker, has only grown stronger through all this. >> that's right. what he told us is he feels like their bond has strengthened in some ways because the president feels like the same thing has happened to him as has happened to rudy. rudy is under investigation now by manhattan federal prosecutors, and he's also obviously a big part of the impeachment inquiry, and i think that the president feels like he's sort of gone through this before with mueller and now again with impeachment, and according to rudy, sort of feels like they're in this together. >> you also have this terrific piece of reporting about the call that giuliani says he received immediately after landing back in new york from his trip to ukraine. what can you tell us about that? >> that's right. so he says that as he was taxiing down the runway in new york on saturday after a trip that included stops in kiev, in budapest, in vienna, and in

i mean rudy giuliani obviously was the key person here. i mean, the fact that devin nunes, who has been a total toady, and you know, someone who has done nothing but carry the white house's water since the president was elected, you know, that's not a surprise. but what's so important here is that the president outsourced this whole operation to rudy giuliani, whose interests are not those of the american people. they're only those of donald trump. and potentially rudy giuliani, who clearly has business interests in ukraine. sorry, kirsten. go ahead. >> i was going to say, i agree that the main story is what donald trump did, there's no question, but i think that we can also care about what devin nunes did, and i agree he's been a stooge for trump, and that's not particularly surprising. but to sit there and to be leading the republican side of this investigation basically, or of the hearings and to not disclose this relationship to what he's actually investigating, i still think that matters. it may not be as important as trump, but it st

zelensky seemed to sense giuliani's capacity for trouble-making. with us for more of the aforementioned franklin foe, this is the author of this article. frank, thank you very much for coming on. >> pleasure. >> how involved was rudy, and is there a tom hagin moment where the president elect puts together these two guys, lev and igor, and rudy, and i see oh, my goodness, this guy has just one client. he reports to back home. >> right. i think zelensky as he was coming into office didn't know that much about giuliani. he didn't understand what capacity he was dissending on kiev. but he knew that he was causing trouble. everybody around zelensky told him that you don't want to get involved with this guy if you can't help it because you don't want ukraine to become a politicized issue. one of the great advantages that ukraine has had is that it's had bipartisan support as it fought its war against russia. but i think they also felt they were totally cornered by giuliani. here he was coming and it was almost an accident that they avoided this first tra

and rudy giuliani's formal relationship is with the president. other surrounding text is in april when he made contact with the budget office does tie rudy giuliani and his client back into all of this, whether or not the white house ever confirms or denies what that call signature means. >> what did you make of the new evidence they discovered in the report today? >> i thought it was fascinating and i think you're right to focus on this. this is really the only new bomb shell we see in terms of facts. number one is the the volvement of rudy giuliani talking to this person identified only as white house-1. can't help but wuntd wonder if that's the same person as individual one. certain we know rudy giuliani from his own statements was acting as a personal lawyerer for president. i think he's there as an agent of the president and it brings the president into many of the transactions involved in this case. the other is the involvement of devin nunes talking not only to giuliani but to lev parnas. the idea he is sitting as a fact finder and has vot

i don't know what rudy giuliani thinks the end game is here. come back to the united states with a banker's box full of documents and walk it into doj and get an indictment of trump's political enemies? remember yesterday in the impeachment hearings. one of the main themes of the constitutional law scholars sounded is if nothing it done here this conduct will continue on and on. there needs to be a symbolic statement made. rudy giuliani is not doing donald trump any favors. >> how could this impact the impeachment going forward? >> depends what he's actually doing. by all appearances he's still working with ukrainian nationals to try to dig up items, evidence, information that could be used against a potential political opponent of donald trump. the core fundamental thing that got us here in the first place. >> oliver, talk about it. who was he with? this news organization and why is he there? >> if you judge someone by the company they keep, in this case, rudy giuliani is parading around europe with conspiracy theorists. he's going with the fa

do you think rudy giuliani should be calmed to testify? >> so, i think he is a clear and critical fact witness. and there are so many public statements by him. there are actually numerous. start in may 2019 even before we knew what we were going to learn in july about that july call. so, one of the things that that says to me is two things. one, should we need him to testify? no, because he's already testified to the public in essence. but i also agree that because he's such a central fact witness and because you can essentially cross examine him because of all his public statements, it's much harder for him to lie given how often he has doubled down on, of course i did it, of course i was digging up dirt on the bidens. i was doing it as a defense attorney in my capacity as donald trump's defense attorney meaning for his personal interests, not those of the country. maybe the country -- at one point he says maybe the country will benefit too making it clear that it's not about us. so, i think for all of those reasons, there's a lot more ad

giuliani. in order for the white house meeting to occur, president trump told the delegation, they must talk to rudy to get the visit scheduled. these comments from president trump were the first of many subsequent indications that in his mind, corruption equals investigations: . in the weeks and months following, mr. giuliani relayed to ukrainian officials and -- officials that president trump designated in the may 23rd meeting to take a lead on ukraine policy. the directive from president trump that a white house meeting would not occur until ukraine announced the two political investigations that president trump required. and well before the july 25th call, ambassador sondland and volker also relayed this quid pro quo to the ukrainians, including to president zelensky himself. ambassador volker conveyed the message directly to president zelensky at the beginning of july urging him to reference investigations associated with the giuliani factor with president trump. in meetings at the white h

giuliani has business interests there. you wonder where else he was using his connections to the president to advance his own business interests in terms of, you know, lobbying the president on behalf of people who he had business relationships with. >> yeah, i mean, that seems to be what he's up to. and i think, you know, the president has to be aware of it. it's been widely reported on. you know, he's also representing people -- i mean, at a bare minimum it's a conflict of interest to have the president's personal lawyer representing, for example, you know, somebody who's being investigated, venezuelan who's being investigated for money laundering in florida. you have in this report, rudy giuliani went to the justice department to ask them to drop the charges against this person. that seems like a conflict of interest to me. and i do feel like if this was the obama administration and one of obama's -- you know, obama's personal lawyer was going and doing something like this, people like scott would definitely be criticiz

giuliani is basically running around saying, yeah, i did it. a lot to get to this morning beginning with what we will see today on capital hill. cnn's suzanne malveaux is there. >> reporter: good morning, john. the impeachment process is moving at a rapid pace now. the scale and the scope of the full house vote, that is going to be determined today in the rules committee as house lawmakers are now preparing for this very historic occasion. >> the house on the brink of a historic vote tomorrow to impeach president trump. in just hours, the house rules committee will hold what is likely to be a contentious hearing to mark up the two articles of impeachment charging the president with abusing his power and obstructing congress. democrats signaling they have the votes after several democrats in districts president trump won in 2016 announcing they support impeachment. >> it took me quite some time to kind of get through all of the data, all of the testimony, and make a good choice. the evidence is overwhelming, and it is my constitutional responsib

he can't do that with rudy giuliani. we have evidence in the intelligence committee report that the president told anyone who is working on ukraine, rudy is my guy on ukraine. and that rudy giuliani has represented the people, that he is the president's person on ukraine. so, they're inseparable. so, if rudy is to be held to account, that means the president has to be held to account. >> jason. >> yeah, you can't say that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. i think the critical thing here if we look at the stepping back, nancy pelosi said something really fascinated today when she said we're going through with impeachment. she was adamant about this not being political, this not being partisan. this is not about 2020 from the standpoint of switching the polls or getting undecided voters. it's about 2020 from the standpoint of election integrity. if you have a president who is established he will try to cheat if we don't hold him accountable for trying to disrupt the process, then we can't move forwar

he has written the book on rudy giuliani. there it is, "rudy giulianigiuliani: giuliani: emperor of the city" about his years as mayor. we are happy to announce he's working on a new book on rudy giuliani. first of all, thank you for coming in and welcome. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> there on my bookshelf at home is your original book, and i picked it up the other day and leafed through it, having read it contemporaneously. i know you get asked, what do you think happened to rudy? i'm going to add to that question, were there people in his life who saw this coming? >> well, you know, i think he's made a lot of choices about how to use his fame from 9/11 that he may end up regretting. but i mean he's in too deep right now. he's in this moment where, i mean, it's almost a surreal moment where the president of the united states is on the brink of impeachment, and giuliani is in ukraine still looking for dirt on joe biden. and it's almost as though everything has come down to this moment for rudy giuliani. like he need