that ousting marie yovanovitch was tied to politically corrupt investigations. interesting he said hey needed to get her out of the way in order to get these versions. if this administration actually cared about corruption or rooting out corruption in ukraine, marie yovanovitch is something they would want out of ukraine, known for being a crusader against corruption. the fact guiliani identified he needed to get her out of the way is a pretty strong indication where he was not looking to root out corruption but engage in acts himself and why his testimony might be important to a full understanding of what happened here. >> it's worth it to read the full story by adam, my colleague in "the new yorker," unbelievable in its detail. you have to ask yourself, who is rudy guilliani? why is he there? what is he doing? the idea he's working as a criminal defense attorney is absurd. he is running american foreign policy. he is trying to get the american ambassador out of the way. think about that as a concept for a private citizen. and he succeeded. it is just an extrao

. >> you forced out marie yovanovitch. >> i didn't get her out of the way. i forced her out because she's corrupt. >> reporter: with an impeachment vote set for wednesday giuliani insisted to cnn in case you think we're on defers we're not. if this is giuliani's attempt to play offense both parties say he could be stirring up trouble. >> what i find most striking about giuliani's comments is the admission, the confession that they needed to push ambassador marie yovanovitch out of the way to -- because she was going to get in the way of these corrupt investigations that giuliani was pushing. >> extremely disturbing. it argues, again, for slowing down, putting these guys under the threat of perjury under oath and testifying, find out all the things he was doing over there. >> reporter: now pompeo has been asked repeatedly what he thinks of giuliani's adventures in ukraine and he repeatedly has dodged the question. >> this is stunning. if in the middle of the clinton impeachment bill clinton was out dating on the town the. >> right. >> just flaunting this. it'

was recalled as an ambassador. >> we know that ambassador marie yovanovitch was ousted at the urging of president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani and aides to the president are closing in on her replacement. retired general, a 40-year army veteran is, being considered for the post to ukraine, according to several people familiar with the search. dayton is currently the director of the george c. marshall european center for security studies in germany. "politico" also reports that secretary of state mike pompeo is expected to visit ukraine next month. which would be his first visit as secretary of state. >>> still ahead, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell leader and minority leader chuck schumer have their own ideas what trump's impeachment trial should look like but different than when they pushed for in the clinton impeachment. >> not surprising. >>> and boeing is pushing for the suspension of the troubled 737 max planes and we will look at the aerospace giant and the broader economy. back in a moment. broader economy. back in a moment when i rent a car, i never compromi

on the record saying you forced out marie yovanovitch. you're a personal attorney for the president, why do you need her out of the way? >> i didn't need her out of the way, i forced her out because she is corrupt. >> he alleges that she blocked visas for people like victor shokin. but he has never produced any evidence of those allegations and none have ever surfaced. once more, yovanovitch did not block the visa, the state department blocked it. that is according to testimony from one of mike pompeo's top officials, george kent. kent himself told house investigators this, knowing mr. shokin, a have full faith that it was a bun of hooey and he was looking to engage in a con game out of revenge because he lost his job. >> barrett burger, a former federal pros crecutor, former u attorney, also worked as assistant director for the fbi office for congressional affairs. and the assistant professor of politics. i have a full house, we have a lot to get into, greg, to you first, these claims by rudy giuliani, ais there any evidenc backing up wh

howard: giuliani acknowledged he led an effort to oust marie yovanovitch because he viewed her as disloyal. he confirmed to the new york times he gave his information to mike pompeo and believes she should have been fired. as for the new yorker story? >> now, this hit piece -- and it's a hit piece -- also has you on the record admitting that you forced out marie yovanovitch. you said you needed her out of the way, but you're personal attorney for the president, why did you need her out of the way? >> i forced her out because she's corrupt. howard: so was rudy giuliani confirming he forced her out? doesn't this show at least on this one point that the media were right? >> first off, i just want to say that that language in that news report is exactly what you hear in a lot of news reports, it's usually not done in favor of a republican. but as for what he's saying, i feel like he said stuff like this before. it definitely matches some of the testimony that we heard about his opposition to this ambassador. but really it just gets back to the main issue, does the president have the right to h

and marie yovanovitch, she will wear this issue around her neck forever. where i worked for 35 years, the whistleblower had one thing -- they wouldn't lose their job, but everyone knew who they were. they simply had their job protected. host: carol in michigan. what do you want to take from that? guest: i don't know what to take from that. it is astounding that this caller claims to represent truth and unbiased and blames marie u -- marie yovanovitch for the mess in somalia? she was a third level diplomat there. that occurred before she even arrived. it is a shame to see the malicious lies that have been spread about this woman, this ambassador who was a corruption fighter. somehow, the lies stick and the lies continue. like bullets through the air. lies, particularly slanders directed against individuals like ambassador yovanovitch, they are not harmless. they hurt. they wound. i would ask the caller to look a little more carefully into her career before the caller participates in the smearing of this very honorable person. host: back to las vegas, a demo

>> i needed marie yovanovitch out of the way, in the prosecution business, we call that a confession. so he wanted her to stop working on the real corruption which was her area of expertise. and he wanted -- he was concerned that she wouldn't go along with what trump wanted, was this announcement of a fake investigation that would be in trump's political interests. the reason why this is so galling is first of all, we know that parnas and fruman, giuliani associates, were indicted for basically the same course of conduct, trying to get rid of ambassador yovanovitch and we know this is particularly troublesome for her because she was told by the state department that she had not done anything wrong and, again, if the trump administration was really interested in rooting out corruption in ukraine, they would have given her a raise, not try to fire her because that's her area of expertise. >> however galling, does it violate anything to hear this guy, a former mayor of new york, saying out loud on the record, it's like a scene from "the irishman," yeah, she had to go, it is what it is. d

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can i say one thing about marie yovanovitch? >> please. >> what she said is so true. in that line of work, the line of work we did, all you have is your reputation. and so for their own convenience, to line their own pockets, for their own political grandisement, they smeared her. that hurts. you can hear it in her voice, see it on her face. can you get yourself in trouble doing everything right and have a bad outcome which ruins your reputation. you can make hard decisions based on imperfect information. everything goes wrong and it ruins your reputation. she did nothing wrong except that she crossed paths with criminals and all she had was her reputation, and they decided she had to be removed. as she said, all the president had to do was fire her. all he had to do was say i'm going a different direction. there's somebody else i would like to serve in that post. they didn't do that. they smeared her. that's disgusting. >> they're beyond criminals. they're soulless. it was interesting, the call coming out of that and you go, who do you believe? you can't be a human w

ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch was recalled. jewel johnny called the white house seven different times and-nine min ots of conversation with apconspike kw wsly unidentified phone number. that day someone from the office of management and budget calling three times. the last resulting in a 15-minute conversation. the report shows several conversations between devin nunes and lev parnas. including one that lasted nearly nine minutes. nunes was asked about all that tonight on fox news. >> maybe they have the recordings of my phone calls with rudy giuliani. everything i spoke with rudy giuliani about is nothing i wouldn't care if the american people found out. >> you ever talk to this guy, lev parnas? >> it's possible but i haven't gone through my phone records. i don't recall that name. i remember the name now because he's been indicted. i'll go back and check my records but it seems very unlikely i would be taking calls from random people. >> just a short time ago on this network with, chairman schif discussed the calls revealed i

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ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch was recalled. giuliani called the white house seven different times who had nine minutes of conversation with an unidentified phone number. that same day, someone from the office of management and budget called rudy three times, the last call resulting in a nearly 15-minute conversation. the report also reveals multiple phone calls between devin nunes and lev parnas. on april 12th, there were four phone calls between the two, including one that lasted nearly nine minutes. nunes himself was asked about all that tonight on fox news. >> maybe they have the recordings of my phone calls with rudy giuliani. they're welcome to play them because everything i spoke with rudy giuliani about is nothing that i wouldn't care if the american people found out. >> did you ever talk to this guy, lev parnas, or whatever his name is? >> you know, it's possible, but i haven't gone through all my phone records. i don't really recall that name. i remember the name now because he's been indicted. i'll go back and they ca

yovanovitch. records cited in the report show that in the 48 hours before a march 20th opinion piece by solomon attacking the ambassador, solomon and parnas spoke at least half a dozen times as well again for 11 minutes on the 20th. shortly thereafter, president trump plugged that story in a tweet. rudy giuliani also turnsz up i early may as plans to a dirt gathering trip to ukraine became known. phone records show him speaking on may 8th to someone in the white house, also to solomon, parnas and a staffer per congressman nunes. that evening he went on fox to peddle the biden smear. >> the big story, it's a dramatic story, and i guarantee you joe biden will not get to election day without this being investigated. not because i want to see him investigated. this is collateral to what i was doing. >> phone records also show giuliani speaking to someone at the office of management and budget, which testimony has tied to the hold on military assistance to ukraine. now, as for congressman nunes himself

ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch was obstructing justice. this apparently because she was not allowing witnesses at the trump campaign wanted in their pursuit of dirt on democrats in ukraine. yovanovitch testified that she was removed from her post after she pushed back on the president's shadow foreign policy efforts. let's begin with the latest on impeachment. manu raju joins us now from capitol hill. so in the next couple of hours, we'll see the beginning of the rules committee debate. what do we expect during that back and forth, and what rules will they set today? >> well, they are going to set the parameters for what the floor debate will look like when it happens tomorrow. we'll see the representative for the democrats, jamie raskin, present on their side and the republican side, the top republican on the house judiciary committee, doug collins, present on his side. it will be contentious. members will ask questions back and forth. expect some fireworks. ultimately they'll approve the procedures, the hours, how that floor debate tomor

yovanovitch so there would be an easy path. in the impeachment report it says the ousting of that ambassador it set the stage for others to work with giuliani to advance this scheme. this illicit scheme to advance the president's re-election. it was that corruption fighting issue in her back grounds as someone who would get in the way of the people and came up in those dramatic hearings. >> ukrainians who prefer to play by the old corrupt rules, sought to remove me. what continues to amaze me is that they found americans willing to partner with them and working together, they apparently succeeded in orchestrating the removal of a u.s. ambassador. >> and multiple witnesses you understand oath argued it was trump's team who forced her out to get that result. the person alleged to have committed that plot has admitted it. has the new interview where giuliani said he believed he needed yovanovitch out of the way because she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. this is what has come to be known as the giulia

ambassador to the ukraine marie yovanovitch had, in his view, blocked investigations that he believed could be of use to trump politically. those updates appeared to set the stage for the career diplomat's eventual ouster. with that and here for our lead-off discussion on a tuesday night, elizabeth beau miller of "the new york times." her title until this week, washington bureau chief. and so, we welcome her tonight with congratulations. she has been added to the "times" masthead as the paper's newest a.m.e., assistant managing editor. also in d.c., kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, boston's npr news station. and visiting us from way down south is david jolly, former republican member of congress from the great state of florida who has since left the house, and for good measure, his political party. good evening to all of you. elizabeth, may i ask, considering it was written in the same structure where lincoln wrote his second inaugural, have you ever seen anything like president trump's letter today? >> no. once again, this is unprecedented. we were talking a

marie yovanovitch -- >> that was marie yovanovitch. dr. hill advisor lawyers july 11 and why did she go to report what she had learned? what motivated her? >> she was concerned that ambassador sondland and mick mulvaney were entering into essentially a transaction whereby the ukrainians would open up these investigations for president trump's political interests in return for getting the white house meeting that president trump had offered. >> i want to talk about deputy assistant secretary george camp who served as a career foreign service officer under five different presidents, republicans and democrats alike. he updated notes to file on four different occasions to note the grave concerns about the president's conduct. what led to draft the notes on these files? >> there was a conversation at the end of june were several american officials had indicated to president zelensky that he needed to go forward with these investigations. there was one august 14th i recall -- but you bring up a very important points, which is all of the state de

whether or not rudy giuliani wanted marie yovanovitch in that role or not. and rudy is acknowledging that -- giuliani is acknowledging that in an extremely public way in an interview with the "new yorker." yes, the president was asked about this, not specifically as far as that quote but generally about what kinds of conversations he has had with giuliani about that trip to ukraine. the answer was kind of interesting. i think we have it and i want to play it for you if we can. >> how much has giuliani shared with you about his recent trip to ukraine? >> not too much. but he's a very great crime fighter. he was probably the greatest crime fighter over the last 50 years. very smart. he was the best mayor in the history of the city of new york. he is a great person who loves our country. and he does this out of love, believe me. he does it out of love. he sees what goes on. he sees what's happening. he sees all of the hoax that happens when they talk about impeachment hoax. or the russian collusion delusion. and he sees it and he's a great gentleman. and he was

he told "the new yorker" magazine that he played a key role getting rid of the b ambassador, marie yovanovitch. i believe i needed yovanovitch out of the way. she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. how significant is that admission from the president's personal attorney? >> it is very significant, especially when you hear my republican colleagues say the president was just concerned about corruption. well, ambassador yovanovitch, her main focus had been battling corruption. for rudy giuliani who is not a state official, he is the personal attorney of the president, helping him in this scheme, trying to remove a career diplomat battling corruption should be telling to the american public. >> congresswoman, thanks for coming in. appreciate it very much. a lot going on. >>> still ahead, more breaking news on boeing's plans for the controversial 737 max airliner. we have new information. we'll be right back. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big

we also saw that from marie yovanovitch who had to learn from adam schiff that the president was nastily tweeting about her in an intimidating way and she had to sit there for the rest of the day. few of us would have the power to do that. and then of course fiona hill who was very strong and even when she was essentially being indirectly attacked, about hate and people who hate and people who didn't get the job they wanted, and she said i wish he was still hear to matter that i degree but, hate is the problem and we should you've past it. >> that is the moral grounding and common sense, but embodied in power that all these women demonstrated. >> i know you agree, you are nodding. but i also want to put you on the spot. there is power to what chairman nadler has laid out today. and it stands in contrast to what mueller was able to lay out. i mean, this case for impeachment, and i suppose good people can come to different feelings about what we know trump did is indeed impeachable, but chairman nadler has put together people who can tell a story, something that the mueller report in terms

ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch was, to quote him "obstructing justice." hours ago he sold "the new yorker" he needed yovanovitch out of the way to dig up dirt on his client's political rivals. michael warren is all over this. michael, despite all things impeachment, the president is still very supportive? what does that mean? what do you make of that? >> well, it suggests what giuliani is telling cnn, if it's true, that through all of this ordeal, the whistle-blower report, the vinvestigations, th president doesn't feel chastised and continues to move ahead status quo using his personal attorney, expecting his personal attorney to continue to dig up dirt. recently we saw giuliani returned to ukraine telling us, re-emerges this week to tell us as well as other outlets the president's behind him right before, a day before the president is likely to be impeached by the house underscore xo s that. >> in the phone conversation giuliani emphasized he and the president are on this. >> it's clear the president and his team around him sort of view the result of im

ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. thanks to all of you for being here. josh, i do want to start with you because you have this great new reporting on rudy giuliani and what specifically he was drilling down on in ukraine. what can you tell us? >> reporter: rudy giuliani has been pretty vague and actually somewhat cryptic in describing what these new allegations he's uncovered during his recent investigative trip to europe playing out while the president has been impeached. so what we've done is dug through everything that rudy giuliani has said publicly about this in tweets, in interviews to try to figure out everything we can about what exactly he's alleging and what are the facts behind it. it essentially falls into two buckets of allegations. the first is that marie yovanovitch, that ousted former ambassador to ukraine, tried to prevent four ukrainians who would essentially be whistleblowers, who wanted to come to the u.s. to talk about what they say is corruption, that she prevented them from getting visas. the second bucket of allegations has to two

. >> former ukraine ambassador marie yovanovitch was suddenly recalled from her post earlier this year after decades of government service including many years in dangerous places. the decision to pull her out of there has become a big part of trump's impeachment. in a new interview with "the new yorker" trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, confirmed that he was actively working as a private citizen to get rid of yovanovich. quote, giuliani saw yovanovich as an obstacle hindering his effort to dig up dirt in advance of the 2020 election. i believed that i needed yovanovich out of the way. he said she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. here's what giuliani had to say about it just tonight on fox news. >> this hit piece -- and hit's hit piece -- >> of course. >> -- also has you on the record admitting that you forced out marie yovanovitch. >> of course i did. >> i didn't need her out of the way. i forced her out because she's corrupt. >> back with us, paul butler, a former federal prosecutor who worked in the area of corruption for many years. he is these days a pr

talking about marie yovanovitch, i believe i needed yovanovitch out of the way. she was going to make the investigation difficult for everybody. i wonder what your reaction is to that. >> well, this is another example of the hard truth staring us in the face. you know, the president didn't want to go after corruption in ukraine. rudy giuliani didn't want to go after corruption in ukraine. if you wanted to go after corruption, you wanted marie yovanovitch to ultimately be there. her reputation is impeccable, fighting corruption in ukraine and other posts she has had. you didn't want a corruption fighter. you wanted someone to cover up the corruption you were pursuing, which was to try to get a foreign government and hold them hostage to ultimately get involved in our democratic elections. the reason this should matter to your viewers, to every american, if we allow a foreign country to get involved in our elections, we don't know that the sanctity of our vote will ultimately be realized and those that get elected will be doing our bidding versus some foreign entit

on friday, while yovanovitch was testifying before congress, trump tweeted at her, "everywhere marie yovanovitch went turned bad. she started off in somalia, how did that go? then fast forward to ukraine, where the new ukrainian president spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him." (as trump) "now she's back in the united states, and the president is being impeached. coinky-dink? way to go, marie." ( laughter ) now, when this tweet landed-- in the middle of the testimony, again, she is testifying, he is attacking her-- chairman adam schiff read it into the record and asked the ambassador for her reaction. >> ambassador yovanovitch, as we sit here testifying, the president is attacking you on twitter. the president in real time is attacking you. what effect do you think that has on other witnesses' willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing? >> well, it's very intimidating. >> stephen: wow, he's reading trump's nasty comment right to her on live tv. it's like he's the andy cohen of congress. (as andy cohen) "ambassador yovanovitch, the president just publicly

i believe that i needed to get marie yovanovitch out of the way. she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. the investigations that he wanted to do and that these disgraced prosecutors who were known to be corrupt in ukraine wanted because they had decided that maybe we should look into the bidens, that that would curry favor with president trump. here's giuliani explaining that it was to get her out of the way what he wanted to do. >> first, there was the piece in the new yorker. then an interview with "the new york times." and this morning, rudy is tweeting about getting yovanovitch fired. it's just -- it's astonishing. and basically, he's accusing her of obstruction of justice because she wouldn't give visas to people who wanted to help donald trump. it is just so surreal. and, you know, it's just underlined that the facts are not in dispute here. the democrats kept saying that during the impeachment proceedings in the intelligence committee and judiciary committee because it's true. the idea that the president and his law

yovanovitch. >> of course did i. >> you said you needed her out of the way. but you're a personal attorney for the president. so why do you need her out of the way? >> i didn't need her out of the way. i forced her out because she's corrupt. >> right. said i needed her out of the way now i don't need her out of the way. it's just so confusing being rudy. talking any time somebody sticks a microphone in front of you. >> the "new york times" reports that giuliani spoke to trump a couple of times earlier this year about how yovanovitch had hindered efforts that could be politically helpful to the president. quote, in conversations in the first months of the year with the president, mr. giuliani, by his account, cast ms. yovanovitch as impeding not only investigations in ukraine, that could benefit mr. trump, but also mr. giuliani's efforts to gather evidence to defend him and target his rivals in the united states. the paper continues. giuliani told the president and mr. pompeo that ms. yovanovitch was blocking visas for ukrainian prosecutors to come to the unit

. >>> rudy giuliani detailing his role about getting marie yovanovitch removed as ambassador to ukraine. the president's personal attorney set her removal in motion. he told the president, yovanovitch was hampering investigations that could benefit mr. trump and she was impeding giuliani's attempts to defend the president. no mention of corruption in ukraine. >> yovanovitch is a 33-year veteran to foreign service. giuliani orchestrated a smear campaign to have her recalled. >> shady interests to world over have learned how little it takes to remove an american ambassador that do not give them what they want. >> giuliani also implicates mike pompeo. he tells "the times," after he briefed mr. trump the president told him to discuss it with mike or turn it over to mike. pompeo was unfamiliar with president trump's attempts to pressure ukraine, but he was on the call where president trump raised the idea of investigating the bidens. >>> a devastating setback for boeing. the company plans to suspend production of its 737 max fleet starting in january. this plane was grounded worldwide in mar

rudy giuliani apparently called omb eight times the day marie yovanovitch was recalled. have you ever called anyone eight times in a day? it's not to say hi. there's usually an agenda. there's this apparent devin nunes phone record with lev parnas which was potentially a big deal because it was not disclosed during the house intelligence committee. >> at first he said he didn't know lev parnas. >> do we have that sound bite? we don't. he said, well, maybe i spoke to him. i'm not sure i remember. i know the name lev parnas came up because he's been indicted. well, let's play that. >> it's possible, but i haven't gone through all my phone records. i don't really recall that name, you know. i remember the name now because he's been indicted. i'll go back and check on my records, but it seems very unlikely that i would be taking calls from random people sun likely except for the eight minutes that you were apparent listen on the phone with lev parnas. ly say when this information came out in the report yesterday, it struck me. surprised me, frankly, at two different levels.

yovanovitch out. and they also have admitted to fabricating the information they gave giuliani about her. these are the sources that giuliani i guess is still believing and president trump has come to believe. >> apparently team trump is only looking to root out certain kinds of corruption, not necessarily all kinds of corruption. but, guys, like lawyer like client here, right? what rudy giuliani is saying out loud, president trump has said out loud. he said it out loud to zelensky when he talked about yovanovitch on the phone call on july 25th and that she was a bad person and he -- on the south lawn also said out loud about wanting ukraine to investigate the bidens. they should absolutely do that. this is not just rudy giuliani on a one-off, this is a pattern of behavior from the president himself. >> yeah, and again, i think you both make the key point here, which is this isn't just an issue of giuliani. it's an issue of the president of the united states, and the president has admitted to or confe

later the same day the state department recalled ambassador marie yovanovitch over concerns from the white house and august 8th, giuliani texts a white house number at 8:53 p.m. a little over an hour later he misses five calls from the dash-1 number and 15 this call came as ukrainian were pushing u.s. diplomats for a meeting between zelensky and trump. democrats say the call log show the extent to which giuliani was running the show on ukraine matters, conspiracy theories and the push for investigations. >> it does tell a story of giuliani really being the guy who is doing all of these things and driving this stuff in ukraine. and as we know rudy giuliani is not an employee of the federal government. >> well, erin, we cannot overstate it what the phone records reveal are highly unusual as a former omb official said to me this morning there is no reason the president's personal attorney should be calling people at omb regarding budgetary matters. because that's what the agency handles. we should point out the budget office says no one at the agency ever spoke to giuliani. there is som

everywhere marie yovanovitch went turned bad. she started off in somalia. how did that go? ambassador, you've shown the courage to come forward today and testify. notwithstanding the fact you were urged by the white house or state department not to. notwithstanding the fact that as you testified earlier the president implicitly threatened you in that call record and now the president in realtime is attacking you. what effect do you think that has on other witness' willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing? >> well, it's very intimidating. >> designed to intimidate, is it not? >> i mean, i can't speak to what the president is trying to do, but i think the effect is to be intimidating. >> of course one of the sharpest rejoinders of the president attack came from one of the sharpest tweeters of the democratic house caucus, congresswoman ocasio-cortez. she tweeted, trump himself is clearly not satisfied with one only article of impeachment. his choice to publicly broadcast his own personally authored witness intimidation means he wants to sign-up for another article on

yovanovitch. giuliani says she was impeding his ability to look into these things for president trump. in a separate interview, giuliani said he needed to get yovanovitch, quote, out of the way because she was going to make investigations into the president's political rivals difficult for everybody. >> can't have that. >> i appreciate the candor. joining us now are david chalian, cnn political director, kirsten powers, cnn political analyst and jeffrey toobin, cnn chief legal analyst and staff writer for the new yorker. we'll put giuliani on ice for a second. >> okay. >> can i tell you the entire republican membership of congress would like to do the same because he's making their lives more difficult. >> i suppose so. i mean, except that he's doing it with complete impunity. he speaks. he gave all these interviews. there's nothing abashed. he's explaining what he was doing trying to get owe van vyo out of the way. i said i wasn't going to talk about that. lets get to the jokes. how is it that mi

women stood out as star witnesses including marie yovanovitch, fiona hill and fam pamela karlan. they're not only being praised for their brave testimony but being praised for potentially bringing down trump as well, especially given the president's long history of demeaning and allegedly sexually abusing women. let's take a look at some of the testimony from these fearless women. >> how could our system fail like this? how is it that foreign corrupt interests could manipulate our government? which country's interests are served when the very corrupt behavior we have been criticizing is allowed to prevail? >> some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps somehow for some reason ukraine did. this is fictional narrative that has been perpetrated and propagated by the russian security services themselves. >> maybe when he was first running for president he had never been anything other than a reality tv show -- that was his public life. maybe then he could think russia if you're l

. >> martha: he said in an interview that he needed to get marie yovanovitch out of the way. she would make investigations difficult for everybody. and he firmly believes that there was a ukraine conspiracy with the dnc against president trump. do you have any indication that there was one? >> as i have said, i have not looked at all into whatever the ukrainian aspects are of the 2016 election, i have not gotten into them at all. and i don't know whether john durham has gotten into them. so because that is a matter that is potentially going to be covered by the investigation, i don't want to speculate. >> martha: are you interested in seeing evidence that rudy giuliani has been gathering in ukraine? >> the department of justice is ready to see all evidence that may be relevant. >> martha: do they have any plans to investigate biden, the crowd server, or burisma. are any of those on your radar? >> again, i don't want to speculate about what durham may or may not get into. i don't know what he is -- >> martha: but none of those issues are under investigation? >> i cannot say on

in the new yorker, giuliani admits his role in getting rid of marie yovanovitch, in fact, saying, yeah, you're right, i was, i got rid of her. she was terrible. he said quote, i believed she needed yovanovitch out of the way. she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. from his own words. by the way, what were those investigations about, here's what they were about. >> mr. giuliani demanded that ukraine make a public statement announcing the investigations of the 2016 election dnc server and burisma. >> mr. giuliani also mentioned both the accusations about vice president biden and about interference in the 2016 elections. >> these investigations were pursuant to mr. giuliani's request to develop information, to find information about burisma, and the bidens. >> and so giuliani's owning it, gloria, and to make it clear, perhaps that would be fine if it didn't go against what even trump's own homeland security adviser said were the facts, right. that's the reality, but giuliani obviously believes that's right, own it. >> and lots of republicans are saying, well, wh

i think we have known for some time that there was an organized effort to smear our ambassador marie yovanovitch, and that part of that involved planting stories in right wing outlets and seeding this false narrative around ukraine, and this is really fleshing out some of the details of that. obviously devin nunes has some difficult questions to answer. you know, it's never a good thing when you're palling around with people who have been indicted. he should answer those questions. but my focus and the focus of the committee's report is on the president and the president's misconduct. >> and it is, i mean, it's a damning report for your committee, much of it was obviously discussed during the public hearings. now for the first time, though, democrats are saying that the president did try to obstruct a congressional investigation, which is obviously a grave accusation. i'm wondering, i mean, were the facts simply glaring? was that a difficult decision to come to? is there a political calculation in that about whether it should have just been limited to the actions themselves? >> well,

it was marie yovanovitch -- >> that was ambassador yovanovitch? >> yes. >> dr. hill voiced her concerns to the nsc lawyers on july 10 and july 11th, long before anyone on the committee knew about it. why was she -- why did she go to report what she had learned? what motivated her? >> she was concerned that ambassador sondland and mick mulvaney were entering into essentially a transaction whereby the ukrainians would open up investigations for president trump's political interests in return for getting the white house meeting that president trump had offered. >> and i want to talk about deputy assistant secretary george kent who served as a career foreign service office for more than 27 years under five different presidents, democrats and republicans alike. and he wrote or updated notes to file on four different occasions to record his grave contemporaneous concerns about the president's conduct. mr. goldman, what were the events that led mr. kent to draft notes to his file? >> there were several. there was a conversation at the end of june where several american

of course, i want to set the stage a little bit back in april was when marie yovanovitch, the former ambassador to ukraine, was facing struggles. in the spring she was ousted from her post, as you recall from this investigation. this was a significant development. it found that rudy giuliani and other associates for the president as well as associates for giuliani were engaged back in april and having phone calls with the omb, also the white house, and it was very unclear what these calls are specifically about. but it paints the picture, according to democrats, this was going on long, long before many republicans are willing to admit that these associates were working on ousting marie yovanovitch. also important, devin nunes, the top republican on the intelligence committee, was having conversations with one of rudy giuliani's associates, lev parnas. four different conversations in april. and i think that's an important note. if you remember, nunes is the top republican. he's someone who spoke at every intelligence committee hearing. he's been part of all these closed door depositio

not only did he provide this detailed information, he says he provided to the president about marie yovanovitch withholding visas, and then we have this quote from him in the new yorker saying i believed that i needed yovanovitch out of the way. she was going to make the investigation difficult for everybody. and then we have him also just moments ago texting with our own kristen welker explaining why he thought he was doing his best work trying to acquit the president. you know, among the conversations we had this morning, we just talked to kellyanne conway and she was asked about rudy giuliani, you always get the same answer. it's well, he's the president's personal attorney, i believe. it's almost as though there's a separate sequestered relationship that the president has with rudy giuliani that white house staff aren't necessarily privy to. he is the president's personal attorney. he's obviously allowed to have his counsel and have that conversation. but no one at the white house seems willing to defend rudy or explain just where he stands with the president. and the president tweeted mome

this civil servant, marie yovanovitch, had to be removed so they could undergo their corrupt extortion plot holding back nearly $400 million in aid to ukraine until it announced investigations into the bidens. "the wall street journal" reported when rudy giuliani got back from his latest trip to ukraine, the president called him, what did you get, rudy said the president asked him? more than you could imagine, he replied. he was at the white house on friday and trump acknowledged calling rudy giuliani a very great crime fighter. joining me now, white house reporter rebecca ball house who co-authored "the wall street journal" piece. we know they are in touch. he comes back. you have him telling you gets a call from the president. away do we know about what the nature of that friday meeting or debrief was? >> so the white house and giuliani have so far declined to say what was discussed at that meeting, but one thing i would note is that in that call that you mentioned where the president called giuliani the minute he lands back in the u.s. from ukraine and says what did you get, that on

but we've also seen different iterations of it in terms of career public servants, people like marie yovanovitch and lieutenant colonel alexander vindman and others who have popped up in the impeachment investigation as fact witnesses. i wonder if that too has sort of inflected your feelings about this or if you have anything you'd like to say in terms of the way they've been treated. >> i mean, this is deeply unfair. we are all public servants. this is simply not the way, even with wrongdoing, even if you think my text messages were a mistake, this is not how public servants should be treated. and moreover, those institutions should be coming to their defense. you know, we can't control what the president says but sure as the day is long attorney general barr could say something about whether this was appropriate or not. secretary pompeo could say something about whether these people deserved the lambasting that they've gotten. >> in terms of the text messages and allegations that have been made against you, you've sort of explained yourself in putting those text messages in greater

i knew marie yovanovitch. our ambassador. i worked with her. and i think it is very sad. i applaud those who have stood up for what they believe and who are telling the facts as they understand them. they're certainly being challenged on them. they're being vilified and attacked and that's a sad moment for all of us. >> you and i have talked a lot about our country. i want to ask you a hypothetical. what had america look like the next five, ten years if trump is reelected? >> well, look. every american will make a judgment on that. i came here to talk about the things can bring us together. not the things that divide us. one of the problems we have in america today, we haven't been able to focus enough on this in several presidential debates. there wasn't one question about climate change. this is something that ought to unite all americans. it is based on science. it is based on evidence, based on facts. so the generals and the admirals and the former defense secretary who's have come together, what we call the top roots of politics are joining together with the grassroo

that's the same daythae former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, is recalfrd ukraine. so while this is happening, while democrats woulsay this is a criticastep in republicans and in the president trying to get people out of the way and move playrs like marie yovanovitch out of the way to get this scheme as democrats haved to really pressure ukraine to investigate joe bidd and hunter ben. so we now see in these call logs rudy giuliani calling on that critical, critical day. >> woodruff: and you wer telling us, yamiche, there are still other call logs in this report that are interesting. >> anothermportant part of this is that devin nunes, representative dev t nunes, he's house intelligence committee, he's a ranking member, a repuican, he is now connected to lev parnas, which is an associate of rudy giuliani, theesident's personal attorney, who has been indicted for violating campaign finance laws. now, i was on the phone with lev parnas's attorney. his name is joseph bondy. he said this proves his clients's point that he was in contact with the high-ranking republican c

recalled ambassador marie yovanovitch. concern ofraised involvement by mr. trump's lawyer, rudy ukraine policy. in jersey city new jersey, thousands of police officers stood in a steady range to honor a detective killed last week and what officials are calling a domestic terrorism attack that also left three other civilians dead. joseph seals, a 40-year-old married father of five, was praised as a model officer who helped get guns off the street. he was shot last tuesday in a cemetery about a mile from a kosher market by two attackers who went on to kill three more people at the deli before dying police.otout with last week, jersey city director of public safety james shea called seals "the ultimate telltive who will want to young officers that this is how you should behave." pope francis has abolished the so-called pontifical secret used in clergy sexual abuse cases. critics have charged the high degree of confidentiality has protected abusers. they say the decision will make coordination with law enforcement easier. global news, 24 hours a day, on air and