fauci: right. we better not downplay it in the united states. there are still about 38,000 to 40,000 new infections in the united states. it is very concentrated both demographically and geographically. it is very interesting that 12% of the population of the united states is african american, and yet about 45% to 50% of all the new infections with hiv are among african americans. david: i guess a few years back, when president george w. bush was president, he asked you to come to the oval office and asked you what you could do about hiv and aids in africa. what did you tell him? dr. fauci: well, he sent me to africa to do a fact-finding and come back with the feasibility of doing something. because he said, and told me, that he felt that, as a rich nation, we have a moral responsibility, now that we have drugs that can treat and prevent infection, that other individuals, who because of where they live, they don't have access to that, and they will essentially die from a disease merely because of w

fauci: the u.s. government pays completely for the program, then we also have the global fund to fight aids, tb, and malaria, and the u.s. pays one third of that. david: we are at the nih offices, and one of the buildings we are in is one where research is done on ebola. dr. fauci: correct. david: can you explain what ebola is, what the problem is right now in the congo? dr. fauci: ebola is another virus. it happens to be a particularly lethal virus. if left untreated, it has a high rate of mortality. you know, depending upon how you get treated or cared for, it can be anywhere from 60% to 90%. it is spread by direct contact between an individual who is very sick and has body fluids that are easily contaminating the people who take care of them. it is highly lethal. it is now a major outbreak in the democratic republic of the congo. it is still not under control. david: when some people with ebola came to the united states a few years ago, you were involved in treating them? dr. fauci: i took care of

fauci's advice? >> you know, last sunday, he saw the modeling from the imperial college, london, that predicted 2.2 million deaths in the united states. the tone changed very radically in the early part of the week. and then you have seen some kind of backlash in the media about, well, maybe we don't have to close the country, maybe that's too drastic, we're tanking the economy, we could do it more surgically, i think has been the word that's been used, and donald trump has latched onto that and basically said, well, tony fauci doesn't know what he's talking about. he didn't come out and say that, of course, because he can't, given the power and respect that tony fauci has gotten in the country. and he says, but, you know, we're going to reopen for business or consider reopening for business and not have this physical distancing, closing of schools, closing of businesses, curtailing of transportation. and i think he made quite clear, you know, tony's one voice, he's not the -- necessarily the most im

fauci wants to comment. my point was in order to assess risk and the appropriateness that these individuals get the proper care, we believe this is something that has value to be that with within the setting of clinical medicine. it is exactly what you said. it is not anything about monetary. that is not the consideration at all. it is to try and get people to at least on a telephone call aces to be able to phone their physicians at a time and say i believe i have a situation. the physician would probably say stay at home and give them the instructions of how to get a test. it is the relationship between the patient and the physician. i have no implication of financial on that. >> most americans don't have a doctor. they rely on the er. and people are panicking. i see that my time is expired. i wish i had more time. thank you, madam chair. from georgia is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair. thank each of you for being here. dr. fauci, you said earlier the worst is yet to come. i think eve

fauci. at this stage we really would like to see the tests provided to those individuals that feel they were exposed in the clinical setting. as we continue to try to expand that. those individuals that obviously are presented with flu-like symptoms in the hospitals. obviously we want to see the tests used for broader public health surveillance. that's the stage we are in. i'd like to see if tony wants to add something. dr. fauci: there are two types of situations dr. redfield described. one which is the classic tried and true c.d.c. based situation where it's based on the doctor-patient interaction. where a doctor has a patient who wants to get tested for cause. they are sick, they have been exposed, or what have you. that works well. the system right now as it exists of doing a much broader capability of determining what the -- what it's like in society at now is not operational at all. what the c.d.c. is doing now is that they are taking various cities, they started with six, and then the

fauci: yes. i believe that if we have a major outbreak, we are definitely vulnerable to shortages, but dr. kadlec knows more about that than i do. c: i would just characterize it at this point and again the fda has the responsibility to look at the entire supply chain of pharmaceuticals and drugs in the country. i'm looking at particularly the things that we need for this outbreak right now. i want to highlight the issues around personal protective equipment. much of it is sourced from overseas. some of it is domestically manufactured, and, yes, we could have spot shortages. we're working with different companies, different sectors to enhance both their increased capacity here domestically, as well as obtaining supplies from overseas on affected areas to meet the demand. the most important demand is with health care workers, ensuring they have the respiratory protection and barrier protection so they can see and treat patients without the risk of getting infected and being lost to the cause. mr.

fauci? >> thank you very much, mr. president. i want to just talk very briefly about two or three things. first, the issue of testing and how that has really changed the complex of the approach that we're going to be able to take. testing was an issue. we had many questions of testing in this room for a number of times. now that we literally have hundreds and hundreds and thousands of testing out there, there are a few things that we can do with that. one of the things is when we make policy what we're going to be doing with the rest of the country, particularly those areas that are not hot spots, we need to know what the pentrants of infection is there. we need to put a light on the dark spots that we don't know. we have to act policy wise on data. and we're going to be getting more data, a lot more data. the other thing is the areas of the country that are not hot spots, that are not going through the terrible ordeal that new york and california and washington state are going through, they

fauci. also a top world health organization official, experts in emergency medicine, and mental health as well. >> we're also going to check in with our reporters from around the globe what they have been seeing right now, including in china, which tonight after enduring so much, may, may finally be the source of a glimmer of hope. and even those quarantined in places like italy and spain have found ways to unite and show their love and support for each other. you've probably seen the images in italy of people singing together from neighboring balconies. in spain err night around 8:00 p.m., people clap in their apartments by open windows to show their support of the doctors and nurses and the medical professionals risking their lives every day. listen to the sound of a community clapping. [ applause ] >> it happens every night, all across spain. citizens applauding the bravest public servant, signaling they are all in this together, and together they will overcome it. even in the face of a c

fauci. director of the national institution of allergy and infectious diseases. thank you for joining us given your busy schedule. what is the most important thing you want people to know tonight? >> you mentioned it just a few moments ago, the importance of people to take very seriously the guidelines about physical separation. you mentioned the idea of transmission of infection not only when someone is symptomatic, but we're getting more and more information that someone can transmit even when they're asymptomatic. so in order to protect one self, society, and particularly the vulnerable people, we've really got to adhere to the physical separation. you know them well now. avoiding crowds, stay out of bars, stay out of restaurants, stay out of places where there is a congregation of people. and particularly individuals who are elderly or individuals who have an underlying condition should essentially self-isolate themselves for the time being in order to shield themselves from what might b

fauci? >> well, i think what the president was trying to do, he was making an aspirational projection to give people hope. but he's listening to us when we say we've got to re-evaluate it in real time and any decision we make has to be based on the data. i mean, you know, the numbers that you showed, when you have a situation when the cases today compared to tomorrow is increased dramatically and then the next day is increased dramatically, that's no time to pull back. that's when you've got to hunker down, nail down, mitigate, mitigate, mitigate, get the people taken care of. that's what you've got to concentrate on. you have to go with the data. >> you mentioned the virus makes the timeline. the notion, though, of people getting back to work in some places is sort of based on the idea that there's hotspots in new york city, california. we've seen washington, new orleans seems to be in trouble. and some other places seem to be coming up in terms of cases. but there's places where they haven

fauci. you're putting fauci in a horrible suppositi horrible position that we don't want him in because we know the answer to the question. you know the president isn't telling the truth, understand the numbers, doesn't get it, is overwhelmed. don't put fauci in a position to have to be a check otherwise we may lose him. and that would be a disaster. ask my brother. ask anybody in the cabinet. you heard the former acting dhs head say fauci is pivotal. everybody says that. i'm not saying it's an unfair question. i'm saying it's an unfair question in the context right now. we need fauci. the president's not going to change, don. he does what he thinks works for him and that's the test that will be scored at the election hopefully we have it. >> i think we're saying the same thing. i'm just -- we need comfort. we need accurate information. we need someone to help us get through this and i'm not sure that is happening. at least on the president's part. i got -- i got to go, though. >> andrew is

fauci. if there's a hierarchy of concerns, in cia parlance, sometimes we hear about the level of confidence, and the president is entitled to make his public debates over things that evolve into policy, devolve into the level of confidence. this is an area where the medical science seems so clear. do you view it as worse in some regards when he's clashing with the experts. >> two things. i was the homeland security adviser to president obama in 2009 when we had to deal with the h1n1 crisis, and the contrast between president obama and donald trump could not be more stark. in terms of president obama's reliance and thirst for information in terms of data, science and facts. he wanted to learn from the medical professionals. tony fauci, he has been a national treasure for years. he helped us understand aspects of the h1n1 in terms of transmissibleability, what type of antivirals might be applicable here. tony fauci is the type of person we in the white house were dependent on to make sure he w

fauci. >> dr. fauci wasn't there, but the attorney general was there to talk about price gouging and hoarding of supplies. >>> and i want to turnabout the stimulus bill. where do things stand now? >> there are intense negotiations happening all day long into the late hours. it has been going on since this past friday, every night going late. steven mnuchin and others are meeting for the fifth time today. they are trying to narrow down their differences. they have met with mitch mcconnell as well. both sides are signaling there could be a deal as early as tonight. reporters were told it could be done tonight. this was done on a day of high tension on capitol hill. both sides are pushing to get this done. but these two sides are at war with mitch mcconnell accusing the democrats of acting recklessly and democrats saying they are trying to make it better. it is a sweeping bill of 2 trillion dollars that would help individuals and companies hurt by this crisis. what would the provisions look like, we s

fauci? >> well, i think what the president was trying to do, he was making an aspirational projection to give people some hope. he's listening to us when we say we really got to re-evaluate it in real-time. and any decision we make has to be based on the data. i mean, you know, the numbers that you showed, when you have a situation when the cases today compared to tomorrow is increased dramatically and then the next day is increased dramatically, that's no time to pull back. that's when you have to hunker down, nail down, mitigate, mitigate, mitigate, get the people taken care of. that's what you have to concentrate on. you have to go with the data. >> dr. fauci, you mentioned the virus makes the timeline. the notion, though, of people getting back to work in some places, it's based on the idea that there's hot spots right now in new york city, california. we've seen washington, new orleans seems to be in trouble, and some other places seem to be coming up in terms of cases, but that there's

fauci, did you want to speak to that? >> sure. it is essentially what i said multiple times from this podium. is that when you have, first of all, we're trying to develop de novo drugs that are not out there, not approved that would ultimately be effective and the way to prove that is a randomized controlled trial to prove safety and efficacy. i'm not totally sure what the president was referring to. i believe he was referring to a report that used both hydroxy chloroquine together to have a possibility of being in effect. many things you have heard out there are what i call anecdotal reports. they may be true but they're anecdotal so the only thing i was saying is that if you really want to defin tiffly know if something works you have to do the kind of trial that you get the good information with. the president is talking about hope for people. and it's not an unreasonable thing to hope for people so when you have approved drugs that physicians have the option in a decision between the physician and the patient, are you going to

fauci? you've heard from south korea over 100,000 tests have been performed. how do we really get an idea of what's happened here in the states, how widespread this is? >> you know, sanjay, you and i have discussed this in the past. i've been an advocate of much more proactive testing. not only testing when physicians ask for a test, but test to determine where we are and what levels under the radar. for that reason we're going to need millions and millions and millions of tests. that's what i feel and that's what many of my colleagues feel. >> dr. fauci, we have a question for you from wuhan, china, where an american, his name is doug perez, he's living, he's working, he's a school teacher. doug is joining us now. doug, i know your question is about u.s. travel restrictions from mainland china. i want to inform our viewers that currently u.s. citizens who are in wuhan, china, and can return to america have to enter through a specific airports and be under mandatory quarantine for 14 days. f

fauci said. if they follow good handwashing techniques, they ensure everything is washed that is used with the grandparents. if the and short that the children, if ill, are kept away from the grandparents and somewhat separated with the household, with strong cleaning and other handwashing and hand touching pieces. this is what social distancing can occur in the household. -- if they ensure that the children, if they'll come are kept away from greg pence. the -- awayp ensure from the grandparents. i want to make sure we have also emphasized that. anyone who has an immunodeficiency independent of age is someone else we have to be careful with, ensuring we are protecting them. >> should they send family memories who are not infected to stay somewhere else? so if you have kids, some infected and some who are not, should you send the ones were not infected somewhere else or do you need to quarantine everyone in the same house at the same time because that's on scary? >> i am looking at dr. fauci and

listen to the scientists, listen to fauci, listen to others. if you want to ruin the economy for a long, long, long time, let's go ahead and see this thing continue by having it burst out again. >> laura: well, maybe biden needs to listen to the doctors and, i don't know, just take a nap at this point. and by the way trump has been heating the advice of scientists and medical professionals every step of the way. but he has many factors to consider. they understand that. he has a lot of data to examine at every crucial decision point and by the way, new data is coming in every day. in the meantime, the press corps looks for every opportunity to cast the president in a negative light. his heartless or he's careless. if dr. fauci misses one press conference they all have to like reach for the xanax, they just freak out. but i think the american people and watching this, they seem to have a more sophisticated and a more mature view of things. every day, what do they see? they see the president out there answering questions. he's convening his task

fauci. yesterday you mentioned the possibility of aerosol transmitting the virus. how likely is that to happen? >> the possibility of aerosol transmission comes up when you have situations like that. it comes up with influenza. it came up with sars in which there was a documented one-off episode of some aerosol transmission. aerosol means that it can stay in the air for a period of time because it's in a droplet that's very small and doesn't go down. is it possible that there is aerosol transmission? yeah, there certainly is. but clearly what we have seen in the situations where people have gotten infected in china, south korea, now europe, most of it is in the situation where people are close enough to each other that a symptomatic person will have a real drop of transmission. so i'm not ruling out the possibility that it's aerosol but, again, it's not going to substantially change doing this. >> dr. fauci -- >> let me ask this in a very simple way. what is the demand pressure on testing in

anthony fauci. two governors, and two hospital executives at the front line of this crisis, and we have our political panel. so many questions remain. why has the u.s. reacted more like overwhelmed italy than south korea where there appears to be some containment. why do health experts seem so much more alarmed than the federal government is. will the health care system be able to handle the surge in cases and ultimately, are we doing enough now to stop the epidemic? we know this. life in america is changing, at least for the time being. sadly, things are likely to get worse before they get better. >> we're moving into uncharted territory. >> millions of students will now have to stay home. >> financial market's in freefall. >> a nationoge, as efforts to contain a globep pandemic grind public life to a halt. >> nervous, scared, confused. not ruly sure what's going on. >> governors in 19 states and washington, d.c. have closed schools, the national guard is now active in a growing number of states. b

anthony fauci. a reporter from science magazine asked for fauci, how are you managing not to get fired, dr. fauci answered, that pretty interesting because to president trump's credit even though we disagree on something, he listens, he goes his own way, he has his own style but on substantive issues he listens to what i say, and listen to question from cbs' manager yet t brennan. >> you said this week, that you differ from president in his assesment that a combination of two drugs hydorxychloroquine and combined could have outcome. >> i am not disagreeing with fact, but my job is to prove that definitively they do work. i was taking a purely medical scientisscientific stand point d president was trying to bring hope on the people, there is san issue of trying to separate the two of us, there is fundamentally not a difference there, he comes to it from a hopeful lay person's stand point. david: nice try there. and changing headline 3 times. to apiece radical left, after dems stalled coronavirus reli

anthony fauci. two governors, and two hospital executives at the front line of this crisis, and we have our political panel. so many questions remain. why has the u.s. reacted more like overwhelmed italy than south korea where there appears to be some containment. why do health experts seem so much more alarmed than the federal government is. will the health care system be able to handle the surge in cases and ultimately, are we doing enough now to stop the epidemic? we know this. life in america is changing, at least for the time being. sadly, things are likely to get worse before they get better. >> we're moving into uncharted territory. >> millions of students will now have to stay home. >> financial market's in freefall. >> a nation on edge, as efforts to contain a global pandemic grind public life to a halt. >> nervous, scared, confused. not really sure what's going on. >> governors in 19 states and washington, d.c. have closed schools, the national guard is now active in a growing number of st

then, this is what doctor fauci was talking about. why does it take so long after you have the candidate vaccine in the laboratory to develop it, before it is ready to be licensed for use? two things are very important. you have to make sure the vaccine is safe, that it doesn't make you ill in and of itself was there have been vaccine candidates in the past but have done that. we don't want to do that. we don't want to harm the american people. the other thing is you have to be sure it works, walking through that. the first stage the doctor fauci talked about is you get a small number of volunteers, people who are recruited themselves, usually young adults who are otherwise healthy. 40 or 50 of them. they get the vaccine, check to make sure nothing adverse other than a sore arm goes on and draw blood periodically to test whether the vaccine has worked in the body. if all of that goes well, by the time you recruit all those people, give them the injections and follow them up that can take three months, surprisingly long. then you open

fauci: that's a very good question. that's the reason why you have to be somewhat proportionate in what you do. a few days ago, last week, we put out a list of guidelines that people should follow. such as getting people who are elderly or with underlying conditions and essentially have them stayed home and not be outside physically. there were guidelines about avoiding crowds. guidelines about numbers of groups of people, about only doing necessary interaction. i think, throughout the country, to a greater or lesser degree, some degree of mitigation should be practiced. we call that mitigation, more like some physical separation, wash your hands, all of those kinds of things. in certain areas of the country, it is different. look at what is going on in california, what had gone on in washington, and now, the very, very steep curve in new york. so, the people in new york. >> bill: trying to get people to understand that can be a difficult thing, i know you're doing your best. i've got three more minutes, i want to give

fauci and dr. birx presented the data to president trump, again, data i think they've known for some time, they presented it over the weekend to the president. sounds like he listened imt there are a couple things that jumped out. this would take into account the significant measures continuing, i guess, as everybody knows until the end of april. continuing to stay at home. continuing with schools being closed, continue work being closed. continue only nonessential travel. alisyn, as you know, different parts of the country are likely to experience the significant peaks at different times. so in new york, for example, where you are, saying the peak sort of mid-april. at which point he thinks there will be some 2,000 people that may be dying a day in mid-april around the country. in florida, the peak could come in mid-may. so you know, even though we're talking about the country as a whole, it's going to be several different sort of time lines around the country. different states have sort of acted

fauci and dr. birx were able to impress upon president trump the graph fi of the situation through the numbers. it sounds like one model they're using, dr. birx, says that 200,000 americans, that's the upper end, could die in the next month even with the social distancing and the restrictions that we're seeing. that obviously got his attention. without the social distancing, or if it were to be lifted prematurely. i think the number she used was 2.2 million. so, of course, it's not surprising that president trump yesterday announced that we are in this situation at least through april. >> no. that's exactly right, alisyn. the models you cited, that's what we talk about when we talk about the can you rememburve an flatten the curve. it's speep ening as we speak. i would suspect, that's what dr. fauci and dr. birx tried to make clear to the president. yesterday's announcement was, i think, a good one, a smart one. it was the right thing to do. it appears to have been science-based and based on data.

anthony fauci. as director of the national institutes of allergy and infectious diseases since 1984, dr. fauci has served as scientific advisor for every president since ronald reagan. he's now a prominent voice on president trump's coronavirus task force. did the shortage of testing kits allow this virus to spread more widely than it might have? >> fauci: obviously, you would like to have had tests available to do more widespread testing. but i don't think you could make a direct line to say that if we had more tests, w been substantially different. you can't guarantee that. >> lapook: but you may have been able to identify somebody with minimal symptoms and, "oh, let's isolate them. let's--" >> fauci: let's-- okay, h-- but w-- >> lapook: "--figure out who their contacts are--" >> fauci: why don't we say it in a more i think realistic way. it always would've been better to have tests earlier. we are now seeing community spread in the united states like what happened in king county in washington sta

anthony fauci was telling the truth. here's what dr. fauci said. >> it is a failing. let's admit it. the fact is the way the system is set up is that the public health component that dr. r redfield was talking about was a system where you put it out there in the public and a physician asks for it and you get it. the idea of anybody getting it easily the way people in other countries are doing it, we're not set up for that. do i think we should be? yes. but we're not. >> that was about 11:15 this morning. less than an hour later, the president said this. >> testing has been going very smooth. if you go to the right agency, if you go to the right area, you get the test. we're very much ahead of everything. >> keep in mind that's just not true. i mean, that's a lie plain and simple. the president repeats it frequently and even some republican lawmakers are starting to lose patience. today after a closed door briefing by administration officials on the problem, democratic lawmakers came away frustrated and angry. said the president should stop saying anyone who wants a te

fauci: thank you very much. what i'm going to do is connect some of the dots, the things that you have heard today. first, the status of the dynamics of the outbreak. you all know the numbers. you have seen them. we have widespread infection to varying degrees throughout the country. so, for example when you talk , about the mitigation issues that we have emphasized, just as i mentioned, there are two dynamic forces going on. you are having the natural course of an outbreak trying to peak. at a high level. where you have the mitigation strategies which are aimed at dampening that. mentioned that multiple times. we have we get asked, how do you know you are having an effect? because there are two things happening at the same time. they may be confounding. i can tell you from a public health standpoint, we know we are clearly having an effect, but we cannot quantitate it for you accurately now because looking forward, you will know what the impact of the rate of these steep inclines will be. that is why we are goi

fauci. >>> as we go to break, the global pandemic is drawing clear contrasts in how world powers are handling the crisis. while the u.s. government struggles to get its testing protocols in order, other countries may have a built-in advantage. take the nation of estonia, for example. we recently spoke with that country's president, who said while there have been cases of coronavirus in the nation, the systems already in place are limiting group exposure. >> that is the other side. estonia is somewhat corona proof. all government services are online. we don't go to offices to apply for social services or driver's license or for other things which you normally do. you can do this, everything, from afar. for example, i have signed digitally from antarctica. >> wow. >> we also discussed three cs initiative, an impressive, new effort under way to reinforce energy security, economic growth, and u.s. cooperation in central europe. secretary of state mike pompeo announced up to $1 billion in financi

anthony fauci? >> you jus mentioned waving interest for student loans, isying oil, what other specific, targeted measureour administration thinking about making? steve mnuchin said you are just in the second inning. >> we are looking at my things. fsome them have been written about widely. we are going to be releasg paper and about hours stating quite a few otherps s go ahead. >> thank you. i want to know if you are in co president balsa narrow after a member of his delegation who was with you -- re bolsonaro after memory of his delegation was with you yesterday. sent -- senator lindsey graham and rick scott are self isolating. are you taking any precautionary measure staff?ct you a your mr. trump: we have no symptoms erwhatso we had a great meeting withhe president of brazil, j or bolsonaro - great guy. eas you know, tested negative. we got that word. we did have dinneth him. we were sitting nhet to each for a long period of time. >> are you in contact with him over the coronavirus crisis? mr. trum

fauci just how. >> better. not 100 percent but 90%. >> right. >> go ahead. >> this effects the elderly primarily and in that sense it's an unusual disease. is any specific research being done as to why it effects our senior citizens more than others? >> so i don't mean to diminish your question. but we already know why it would effect senior citizens more because when you talk about anything that requires a robust immune system, as you get older, your immune system is not as potent as it is when you are young. and that's the reason why when you talk about even influenza which we have extraordinary experience with over decades and decades, the people who are very vulnerable are the elderly and those with underlying conditions. the same thing holds true for a variety of other disease, why cancer is more pr*ef length in mostly older individuals because the immune system that screens for it is less robust. so it really is something that is kind of well known over a lot of studies. >> okay. oan, please. >> mr. presi