he's joined in warm springs by lucy rutherford and her friend the portraitist elizabeth schumatroff, his longtime hyde park neighbor, daisy sutler is also in the room, and his personal secretary, bill hassert when the end comes. do we have time to read a short passage? bill hassette has drawn the papers the president signed. once gathered like laundry, the private secret put them neatly on a card table, which the president used as his desk. lucy and daisy sitting on the sofa watching madam schumotoff at work on the life-size watercolor. she was painting as fast as she could, filling in the sitter's eyes, but became aware suddenly that his gaze, quote, had -- this is from her memoirs, gaze had a far away look and was completely solemn. he just told her about the stamp he asked for to celebrate the upcoming conference. wait until you see the san francisco stamps with the united nations, but seemed then to have moved somewhere else in his mind, staring at lucy next to him. it was about 1:15 p.m. to the filipino butler, the president had said they needed 15 more minutes to work before ta

he is joined in warm springs by lucy rutherford, and her friend, the watercolor portraitist, his longtime hyde park neighbor daisy sutley is also in the room, and his personal secretary, bill hastert, when the end comes. do we have time to read a short passage? >> bill hasset has provided the president's papers. the private sector and put them neatly in a folder on the card table which the president used as his desk. lucy and daisy were sitting and watching general show tough work on the -- watching elizabeth work on a watercolor. she was painting is fast that she could, but became aware suddenly, that his gaze, quote " his gaze had a faraway look and was completely solemn." he had asked for a stamp to celebrate the upcoming conference. "wait till you see the san francisco stamps with the united nations; " but seemed to have moved somewhere else in his mind, steering at lucy next to him. to the filipino butler, the president has said they needed 15 more minutes to work before taking lunch, which he was looking forward to. suddenly, elizabeth recalled, he raised his right hand and passed i

he's joined in warm springs by lucy rutherford and her friend, the water color portraitist. his long time hyde park neighbor, daisy subtly is also in the room and the personal secretary, bill hasset when the end comes. do we have time to read a short passage to -- bill hasset has dried the 50 odd papers the president has signed in ink. once gathered like laundry, the private secretary had put them neatly in a folder on the card table which the president used as his desk. lucy and daisy were sitting on the sofa watching the madam at work on the life-sized water cooler. she was painting as fast as she could, but became aware suddenly his gaze, quote, had -- this is from her memoir, his gaze had a far away look and was completely solemn. he just told her about the celebration of the upcoming conference. wait till you see the san francisco stamps with the united nations. but seemed then to have moved somewhere else in his mind. staring at lucy next to him. it was about 1:15 p.m. to the filipino butler, the president had said they needed 15 more minutes to work before taking lunc

. >> we need to get the lucy mercer rutherford story down. at one point you talked about when he would go from washington to hyde park he figured out a way to stop and see her in new jersey? >> that's right. she had an estate in new jersey. somehow -- he loved to figure out maps anyway. he loved old geography things. he figured out the railroad lines and knew if he went along a different pattern and he had to equips the secret service that it was safe for him to do this. then he could spend a day with lucy. this was not until the last year of his life. people assume he knew her all his life. the affair was in 1918 and he was with her when he died. i thought they knew each other that entire time. he kept his pledge not to see her again until after eleanor refused to be his wife again and after anna was in the white house and after he was diagnosed with congestive heart failure. i believe in that last year you knew he was dying. he went to the plantation in march or april of '44 to recover. it was there he sauce louis immerser essentially for t

and we need to get the lucy mercer rutherford story down someplace here... but at one point, you talk about, when he would go from washington to hyde park, he figured out a way to stop and see her in new jersey. >> ms. goodwin: that's right. she had an estate in alamoochie, new jersey, and he somehow... he loved to figure out maps, anyway. he loved old geography things, so he figured out the railroad lines, and knew that if he went along a different pattern--and he had to convince the secret service it was safe for him to do this--that he could spend an afternoon with lucy. now, this was not until the last year of his life. you know, i think some people had assumed, and myself included, that he probably had known lucy all of his life. i had heard about this affair, back in 1918. i knew he had seen her and was with her when he died, so i thought maybe it had happened all the way through that period of time. but the truth was that he had kept his pledge to eleanor not to see her again, really until the last year of his life, after eleanor had refused to be wit

i keep telling people i have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for rutherford b hayes and lucy hayes. i'd like to hear more about why the historians are bringing him down as the years go by. grover cleveland, the only president to be elected in a popular vote three times and actually served two nonconsecutive terms, went from 17th place over 20 years to 23rd. but there were also some that went up. dwight eisenhower made it into the top five. he started out 20 years ago in ninth place and interesting to think about what we are observing about the presidency and what work we have learned over 20 years about how we conducted an people are rating him higher. bill clinton started out as 21st place. remember, it was in 2000, right after the impeachment. then by the time he did the survey, eight years later, he moved to 15 and he has stayed in 15th in this last survey as well. ulysses s grant. this is an interesting one. 33rd place to 22nd. i'm sure we will learn more from our historians perspectives about why he is rising up in their estimation. you might also remember there has been a big

i keep telling people i have a bit of a soft spot in my heart for rutherford b hayes and lucy hayes. i'd like to hear more about why the historians are bringing him down as the years go by. grover cleveland, the only president to be elected in a popular vote three times and actually served two nonconsecutive terms, went from 17th place over 20 years to 23rd . there were also some that went up. eisenhower made into the top he started out 20 years ago in five. ninth place and interesting to think about what we are observing about the presidency and what work we have learned about how we conducted it, people are bating him higher. bill clinton started out as 21st place. he left in 2000, and after the impeachment, then by the time he did the survey, eight years later, he moved 15th and stayed 15th in this last survey as well. this is an interesting one. grover cleveland, 33rd place to 22nd. 11 places he moved up. i'm sure we'll learn more from our historians perspectives about why he is raising up in their estimation. you might also remember the spent a great grant biography recently pub