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institutions we need to reach an agreement between the european council and the european parliament as soon as possible to allow time for the necessary national rectification. moreover i hear the calls for action even before the end of this year. i understand and i support the schools and this is why we are also proposing an immediate reinforcement of the current m.f.f. and 2020 budget to top up cohesion spending bring forward recapitalization support and funding for external action in particular for the western balkans i will work without rest with my colleagues in the european council and the european parliament to come in to an agreement as quickly as possible on all these proposals we are at a defining moment for the european union but i'm confident the past weeks have shown that there is a growing awareness of the need to invest together in the european common good and to do this by laying the foundations for the well being of europe's next generation and i always think where there is a will there is a way thank you thank you very much we will now move to your questions i would
institutions we need to reach an agreement between the european council and the european parliament as soon as possible to allow time for the necessary national rectification. moreover i hear the calls for action even before the end of this year. i understand and i support the schools and this is why we are also proposing an immediate reinforcement of the current m.f.f. and 2020 budget to top up cohesion spending bring forward recapitalization support and funding for external action in...
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european council it's going to be different after the pandemic than before because we have to talk clearly about what was not sufficient and that can also. kluwe amendments of our treaties. so today we are going to present the quick career spans to the crisis of longer responses will have to be debated because europe has to develop that's wot i had to say and over to paris. thank you very much madame national so you feel how good this comes like you madam chancellor. and get america. yes today we have the opportunity as well as in the last weeks to exchange frequently and also to consult our. positions in order to create this initiative in this special situation that the chancellor just mentioned it's a crisis that has never been there before and requires a strong response we both said that since the beginning of the crisis that the virus does not know any borders and that the virus has hit the whole of europe we have to know clearly enough and i think we have been able to do it we have shown it that we are able to tackle this crisis and of course this is not you competency and that's wher
european council it's going to be different after the pandemic than before because we have to talk clearly about what was not sufficient and that can also. kluwe amendments of our treaties. so today we are going to present the quick career spans to the crisis of longer responses will have to be debated because europe has to develop that's wot i had to say and over to paris. thank you very much madame national so you feel how good this comes like you madam chancellor. and get america. yes today...
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i'm joined now by gustav grass or senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations because afaik so much for joining us how important are these victory day celebrations for the national psyche and russia's collective memory. well actually you should not underestimate them they moved sort of at the center stage of the denationalize frei national identity thing the big 3 in the 2nd world war after many projects a cold war to be the sort of theme russianness should be about the russian exceptionalism should be about came out basically on tops or after orthodox conservative isn't or water experiments basically the victory in world war 2 is the most undisputed topic and was made the center stage scene of patriotism and reeducation in a patriotic sense russia. says he says just a major show of patriotism these anniversary celebrations that were meant to also be a show of power for president vladimir putin when he surely could have used as the country's had hired by the crown a virus how can we expect these scaled back commemorations to affect his standing. oh well on the coronavi
i'm joined now by gustav grass or senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations because afaik so much for joining us how important are these victory day celebrations for the national psyche and russia's collective memory. well actually you should not underestimate them they moved sort of at the center stage of the denationalize frei national identity thing the big 3 in the 2nd world war after many projects a cold war to be the sort of theme russianness should be about the...
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earlier we spoke to gustav gresson senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. well. he tried to just sort of get the responsibility to the local governors quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens to be a domestic crisis he tries to dedicate this to other people and especially too many other people show he can try out and then basically the fire the incompetent all them promote the more competent members all over the tuna greats in government. coronavirus is no exception let's have a look now at the latest developments in the corona virus pandemic the number of confirmed covert 1000 cases has passed the 4000000 mark according to johns hopkins university in the u.s. former u.s. president barack obama has called donald trump's response to the pandemic and quote absolute chaotic disaster obama made the comments about his successor during a leaks call with former staff members egypt's president of bellefonte has approved amendmen
earlier we spoke to gustav gresson senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. well. he tried to just sort of get the responsibility to the local governors quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens to be a domestic crisis he tries to dedicate this to other people and especially too many other people show he can try out and then basically...
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now earlier we spoke to gustaf gristle senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. oh. she tried to get sort of get the responsibility to the local governors quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens at c b a domestic crisis he tries to delegate this to other people and especially too many other people sure he can try out basically the fire the incompetent all them promote the more competent members of. government. coronavirus is no exception. now the relaxation of lockdown measures in taiwan caused excitement among baseball fans on friday as a small number of them were allowed into stadiums to watch their teams play the lucky ticket holders had to undergo temperature checks before they were admitted while social distancing and mask wearing were also required crowds were limited to $1000.00 people per stadium far below the usual attendance figures baseball is very popular in taiwan and games have been going on behind closed doors
now earlier we spoke to gustaf gristle senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. oh. she tried to get sort of get the responsibility to the local governors quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens at c b a domestic crisis he tries to delegate this to other people and especially too many other people sure he can try out basically the...
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earlier we spoke to gustav aggressive a senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. well. he tried to get sort of get the responsibility to the local government quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens to be a domestic crisis he tries to dedicate this to other people and especially to many other peoples who he can try out that basically the fire the incompetent old and promote the more competent members old greats of government. coronavirus is no exception let's turn our attention now to the latest developments in the corona virus pandemic the number of confirmed covert 1000 cases has passed the 4000000 mark that's according to the tally being kept by the johns hopkins university in the u.s. more than 776 sided 277000 have died of the disease egypt's president of belfast tel sisi has approved amendments to the country's state of emergency that grant him security agencies additional powers he says they are needed to combat covert 1
earlier we spoke to gustav aggressive a senior policy fellow at the european council on foreign relations we asked him for an assessment of russian president vladimir putin's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. well. he tried to get sort of get the responsibility to the local government quite early on in a crisis which is if something sepia in russia happens to be a domestic crisis he tries to dedicate this to other people and especially to many other peoples who he can try out that basically...
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council unanimously by all 27 member states and the way things stand right now that supports does not appear to be there however what we have seen now yesterday night in that press conference is the if you want the french german power engine springing back on and if you are more cynical you could say it's france was having the idea go with the french finance minister announcing this plan and it is germany that is paying the bills talk with us a little bit more about those next steps that you've been mentioning what does happen next in order to make this plan turn into reality well of course like i said we have to have a european summit and leaders actually have to agree to this idea that the european commission can go out borrow money it cute that into the budget and then handed out to reach and that are most desperate for it and if you talk to spain and if you talk to italy who have been asking for specifically exactly a proposal like this there they're very happy there are a happy about the proposal that has been put forward but now the discussions have to go on but the fact that fr
council unanimously by all 27 member states and the way things stand right now that supports does not appear to be there however what we have seen now yesterday night in that press conference is the if you want the french german power engine springing back on and if you are more cynical you could say it's france was having the idea go with the french finance minister announcing this plan and it is germany that is paying the bills talk with us a little bit more about those next steps that you've...
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commission and the european council are ever going to put a meaningful sanction on hungary, it is just not going to happen. if you allow me, this is a process of maturing of the european union as a political union. and as i was giving an example of the us, you can see how a mature democracy is struggling with it. in the european union we are making progress. step—by—step just today, the european commission took poland to court again over basically undermining the independence of the judiciary. there are more and more court cases and this is something which you have to... it is being built up step—by—step. the procedure as we caught, the article seven procedure... i know what you call but it may interest you to know that i spoke to a senior figure in the hungarian government the other day and he said this to me, he said "the feelings of those european parliament liberal leftist politicians have no imprint on how we run hungary. put simply, we don't ca re any we run hungary. put simply, we don't care any more." it has gone on for far too long and if he calls me a left wing libera
commission and the european council are ever going to put a meaningful sanction on hungary, it is just not going to happen. if you allow me, this is a process of maturing of the european union as a political union. and as i was giving an example of the us, you can see how a mature democracy is struggling with it. in the european union we are making progress. step—by—step just today, the european commission took poland to court again over basically undermining the independence of the...
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council that was necessary and good and it's a big endeavor but i'm positive that we're going to deliver what could we see in that instrument because i mean we have southern states like italy and spain calling for grants neutralize debt so-called corona bonds that's facing opposition from countries like germany and the netherlands so what will be in the fund will we see corona bonds will we see grants. so in the whole instrument we will have certainly the right balance of loans and grants this is the process where we have to negotiate with all 27 member states. but it is important that all agree that is the it is the way forward to take so all agree on working on the 7 year budget of the european union plus a recovery instrument and this is a strong measure of course and i think this is democracy we have to speak about the detailing out the tailor made programs but all of our do agree that it is important to support the countries that are hardest hit by the virus and the economic consequences another issue which has come up in this coronavirus crisis is the issue of european fundamental
council that was necessary and good and it's a big endeavor but i'm positive that we're going to deliver what could we see in that instrument because i mean we have southern states like italy and spain calling for grants neutralize debt so-called corona bonds that's facing opposition from countries like germany and the netherlands so what will be in the fund will we see corona bonds will we see grants. so in the whole instrument we will have certainly the right balance of loans and grants this...
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council building when they get back to meeting person face to face we've been sitting there for nights and you wonder do you feel you were so tired and she was still up and she was still sort of pushing the other people trying to get them to accept a compromise so she really has this tremendous strains and moments of crisis and she will really need every unsoftened if she in the end will be a will want to be able to pull this package pull the so huge e.u. budget over the line plus talk about all the other things that she that are on her plate because we have to struggle think almost forgotten called breck's it that will have to be dealt was in the 2nd half of the year and there of course is the climate problem she can't let that slide the green deal the the transition away from this returned to renewable energies away from carbon. from a carbon economy all this are a huge task that a big in themselves and then she has to handle it all at the same time so this might very well turn out to be the very busiest 6 months off for a long time in office jets going to be a challenge for chancell
council building when they get back to meeting person face to face we've been sitting there for nights and you wonder do you feel you were so tired and she was still up and she was still sort of pushing the other people trying to get them to accept a compromise so she really has this tremendous strains and moments of crisis and she will really need every unsoftened if she in the end will be a will want to be able to pull this package pull the so huge e.u. budget over the line plus talk about...
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according to the european council, it will be made available until june 1. these three backstops take care of workers, businesses, and sovereigns. these are insurance that are very important for all countries to generate a level playing field. the same thing must apply to the recovery fund. recall that if you add automatic stabilizers, state warranties and discretionary fiscal measures to the european union head up forgether 4 trillion euros in response. this is a very large number. now we have to allow for a swift. we are expecting the european commission at any moment in time to come up with a proposal. that proposal will be within the mf, so within the next seven years budget for the union. we expect it to be frontloaded and available already this year. esm credit on the lines, you have already said that the maturity should be long. can you give us a more precise idea in terms of a range of years for those? mario: we are having a meeting today, asopean union you referred in your introduction. esm.s precisely on the i don't want to advance precise numbers.
according to the european council, it will be made available until june 1. these three backstops take care of workers, businesses, and sovereigns. these are insurance that are very important for all countries to generate a level playing field. the same thing must apply to the recovery fund. recall that if you add automatic stabilizers, state warranties and discretionary fiscal measures to the european union head up forgether 4 trillion euros in response. this is a very large number. now we have...
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council on foreign relations called bill good to talk to you again so the official u.s. line is there have been repeated russian violations they haven't been repeated have they but there have been regular violations so do we understand why the u.s. is signaling this will happen in 6 months. i don't buy into that we use the term violations that's all it has been throughout the course. the history of this particular treated there has always been that discussions and sort of disputes and . some areas of disagreement actually how you see it that way via when you've lied but overall i would have to say this has been a useful contribution to transparency and that was nothing in it from the u.p.a. point of view that made it necessary yes keep the value thing there were discussions ongoing with the russians and for example they did a lot of flying over to leaving or by the americans recently were you very sensitive area for the russians obviously. so from the you pin point of view did the priorities that we see this matter to your entire structure well of course mention of londo
council on foreign relations called bill good to talk to you again so the official u.s. line is there have been repeated russian violations they haven't been repeated have they but there have been regular violations so do we understand why the u.s. is signaling this will happen in 6 months. i don't buy into that we use the term violations that's all it has been throughout the course. the history of this particular treated there has always been that discussions and sort of disputes and . some...
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to quasi political dissent britain also raise concerns about hong kong's autonomy at the un security council the european union joined in the criticism warning that beijing was in breach of its international commitments. the view of hong kong from above is stunning but what is happening in the city itself is straining e.u. relations with china the blow to civil rights and the heavy handed approach by police. foreign ministers expressed concern but took no action at least for now. trying to put. pressure on the chinese aside it is people and he said that he didn't think sanctions were the right way to solve the problems with china the e.u. is being cautious leaders hope delicate negotiations now underway will give european companies more access to the huge chinese market brussels would also like to bring beijing on board in climate talks a summit with the chinese government set for september should finalize these deals renewed unrest in hong kong has led to calls for the summit scheduled in germany to be cancelled berlin disagrees. entirely. you might also come to the opposite conclusion and
to quasi political dissent britain also raise concerns about hong kong's autonomy at the un security council the european union joined in the criticism warning that beijing was in breach of its international commitments. the view of hong kong from above is stunning but what is happening in the city itself is straining e.u. relations with china the blow to civil rights and the heavy handed approach by police. foreign ministers expressed concern but took no action at least for now. trying to put....
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council for will especially on thank you so this morning to you believe you get it so brought. in by your hands and welcome to all comfort zone thank you we've seen high levels of disunity on the show across the e.u. during this pandemic you would agree that it's been a major blow to the e.u.'s credibility as in the disunity. no i don't agree with that at all actually we are seeing desperate actions from member states and that's quite understand of our because we are in a situation we're never been before and the crisis is really really a big one but we have also seen member states asking for the e.u. commission to take a stronger old to do more to coordinate more also in areas where we do not really have the mandate as a commission so i don't really agree with you on that well last month the french finance minister bruno lemaire said to his squabbling colleagues after an overnight meeting to try and agree a rescue package shame on you shame on europe stop this clown show do you like the epithet clown show. no but of course this is very difficult and you must understand also th
council for will especially on thank you so this morning to you believe you get it so brought. in by your hands and welcome to all comfort zone thank you we've seen high levels of disunity on the show across the e.u. during this pandemic you would agree that it's been a major blow to the e.u.'s credibility as in the disunity. no i don't agree with that at all actually we are seeing desperate actions from member states and that's quite understand of our because we are in a situation we're never...
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i've even taken the commission and the council to court. now — but the fact that you are critical and that you're trying to change things actually means that you believe in something, you want to make it better. no, i understand the point you are making, but it seems to me you've got a political problem. you were very critical of your own netherlands finance minister because you felt he was being completely tone deaf towards the italians. but the substantive issue at stake was an important one — the italians and the spanish have pushed hard for what we might call debt mutualisation, to see the massive cost of the coronavirus economy — the crisis to their economies being shared out right across the european union, particularly by some of the more prosperous, richer nations, and the richer nations have responded, particularly the netherlands and maybe germany as well, by saying, "no way, we are not debt sharing, this is not what this is about." the truth is you might, as a liberal pro—integration european, believe in debt sharing, but
i've even taken the commission and the council to court. now — but the fact that you are critical and that you're trying to change things actually means that you believe in something, you want to make it better. no, i understand the point you are making, but it seems to me you've got a political problem. you were very critical of your own netherlands finance minister because you felt he was being completely tone deaf towards the italians. but the substantive issue at stake was an important...
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it really shows the importance of leadership from european governments and other governments i mean at the un human rights council for example where you know trump abandon it because you criticize just too much in his view we've seen a whole range of governments step forward not only the you know the traditional western supporters of human rights but also a whole range of latin american governments when it comes to say on venezuela even in muslim majority states that have often kind of issue these kinds of issues have come to the fore to try to protect grow hinge on muslims from persecution in myanmar so i think there's a recognition that everybody needs human rights you can't just trust the united states to do it especially under trump and so you know you either abandon the field and go back to pre world war 2 where there were no international standards of the sort or new new leaders have to step forward and fortunately many new leaders have assume the mantle of enforcing human rights global standards whether it's fine with health or other urgent needs we've also seen leaders stepping
it really shows the importance of leadership from european governments and other governments i mean at the un human rights council for example where you know trump abandon it because you criticize just too much in his view we've seen a whole range of governments step forward not only the you know the traditional western supporters of human rights but also a whole range of latin american governments when it comes to say on venezuela even in muslim majority states that have often kind of issue...
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union for example they did bad together twice now once at the un human rights council in geneva once of the un general assembly in new york. to condemn china's detention of 1000000 weaker muslims and she drank so it's doable but this time around when it came to saying you know why is beijing locking up journalists who go to investigate what happened you know why are they refusing to allow any independent inquiry into the origins of the virus the european union allow the chinese censors to tell european leaders what they could say i mean that's ridiculous and i hope we can get to you know more courageous that here instead principle on the part of european union leaders than that let's talk a little more about principle can recently. you faced reports that you accepted a big donation from a billionaire businessman from saudi arabia a country not exactly known for its emphasis on human rights this was reportedly on the condition that you would not report on l g b t rights in the region and your own organization as it turns out had earlier documented coercive labor practices at this part
union for example they did bad together twice now once at the un human rights council in geneva once of the un general assembly in new york. to condemn china's detention of 1000000 weaker muslims and she drank so it's doable but this time around when it came to saying you know why is beijing locking up journalists who go to investigate what happened you know why are they refusing to allow any independent inquiry into the origins of the virus the european union allow the chinese censors to tell...
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like other european nations jane has started easing some of this current of ours restrictions restaurants whose house and museums in some cities are now allowed to open but many regions are still rocks down the government says almost half the country has yet to meet the criteria for lock downs to be lifted and even in cities that have received the green lights business owners remain cautious more now from sale. this is the 1st time in 2 months that. has opened his doors he stands at his coffee machine at 7 in the morning just like he has in the last 20 years since this opened a cafe in this sea of it but things are very different now you regulations state he can only serve customers outside with half as many tapers as you nonetheless until you hold so few patrons book or his cafe might not survive. the last few months have been really tough we had operating cost but absolutely no income state assistance help but it's still just learned we have to fight it all back and somehow keep our business afloat. we have to try at least to be honest it's all very depressing. there are a lot of. civil
like other european nations jane has started easing some of this current of ours restrictions restaurants whose house and museums in some cities are now allowed to open but many regions are still rocks down the government says almost half the country has yet to meet the criteria for lock downs to be lifted and even in cities that have received the green lights business owners remain cautious more now from sale. this is the 1st time in 2 months that. has opened his doors he stands at his coffee...
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council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. still to come in this half hour the coronavirus conservation threat why the pandemic could have an impact on where the wild things are. hollywood stars of read roald dahl for charity. hello we've got some stormy weather purring for the southeast of australia over the next couple of days this erik's out of rolling through the bike that'll just bring some wet weather some windy weather added tom some wintry weather maybe some thunderstorms and some hail for good measure just pushing and as we go through the next couple days ahead of that like getting up into the low twenty's for adelaide and also for sydney further north we got some showers there standing right into the interior getting into the australian outback there for queensland so what's the weather also just edging its way to northern parts of western australia feeding into the central part as we go on through the next day i'll say
council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. still to come in this half hour the coronavirus conservation threat why the pandemic could have an impact on where the wild things are. hollywood stars of read roald dahl for charity. hello we've got some stormy weather purring for the southeast of australia over the next couple of days this...
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council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. diplomatic tensions between australia and china. beijing has criticized for backing calls for an investigation into the origins of covert going to. push punishing australia through tariffs because reports from the forming of crookwell new south wales. the panix of return to green on this farm in regional new south wales where jeff henderson looks after 550 angus breeding couse recent rain brought. drought but the multi-billion dollar cattle industry is now in the middle of an escalating trade dispute between a strong leader and china putting thousands of jobs at risk the. things considerably plant crops up to the. potential like this to sort of put the brakes on that china has suspended beef imports from 4 of the strategies major rabbits was but it's being seen by some analysts is china using tried to punish a strong leader for pushing for a global inquiry into the origins of. droughts an
council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. diplomatic tensions between australia and china. beijing has criticized for backing calls for an investigation into the origins of covert going to. push punishing australia through tariffs because reports from the forming of crookwell new south wales. the panix of return to green on this farm...
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council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. done a service in chile calling for help from the government have clashed with police in one of the capital's poorest neighborhoods hundreds defied a citywide lockdown to demand food and other vital supplies america turned the sea and human reports from santiago. angry residents of the community in santiago had begun by blocking streets and screaming we were hungry right police trying to dispel the crowd with water cannon in tear gas but they refused to budge and responded with rocks and sticks seems reminiscent of the social upheaval that rocked chile for months until the coronavirus pandemic saw the pause button hit on protests. is a poor and over crowded municipality with a majority straw. to make enough to survive even before they were ordered into total florentine in mid april a full month before the entire capital was locked down on friday people say they're not against the quaranti
council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. done a service in chile calling for help from the government have clashed with police in one of the capital's poorest neighborhoods hundreds defied a citywide lockdown to demand food and other vital supplies america turned the sea and human reports from santiago. angry residents of the...
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council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. as a professional research fellow at the london school of economics know he thinks a successful finance would ease some of the political tensions in the e.u. over the pandemic. there's been vacillation going on for several weeks now european level about trying to agree on a recovery fund of some description and so far all that's been done by the european level is to create new loan instruments where this new fund differs if it goes ahead as france and germany propose is that it will give direct grants to regions and sectors which are in difficulty and that is game changing because it means that there's the possibility of a region of italy or a region of spain or an industry receiving actual cash and not having to repay it to a neighbor to recover from the co it 19 locked up. it's not yet it done deep in it will face several obstacles because broadly speaking northern europe has been again
council who say it's very much in line with their own thinking as they are formulating their own strategy it is also been welcomed on the international financial markets because we've seen global stocks. as a professional research fellow at the london school of economics know he thinks a successful finance would ease some of the political tensions in the e.u. over the pandemic. there's been vacillation going on for several weeks now european level about trying to agree on a recovery fund of...
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rights this in strasbourg unwilling to the council of europe they all saw looked at a very similar case about the transit zone and how migrants or asylum seekers are treated by hungry and they found that the transit zone in hungary at the border of hungary was not detention at all since it was open towards serbia in that particular case and not not closed without trial in europe you say that but the european court of justice mr vague of the european court of justice said you detain 2 families seeking asylum in a border transit zone for more than a year giving them the opportunity to have their detention reviewed by a court and with no opportunity to lawfully leave that zone of their free will in any direction how does illegal detention fit in with your much trumpeted views about protecting europe's christian heritage what's christian about that sort of behavior. let me be very quick they are not attack not detained they can leave that transit zone whenever they want toward serbia from where they came from these families i think christian responsibility means that you help people where t
rights this in strasbourg unwilling to the council of europe they all saw looked at a very similar case about the transit zone and how migrants or asylum seekers are treated by hungry and they found that the transit zone in hungary at the border of hungary was not detention at all since it was open towards serbia in that particular case and not not closed without trial in europe you say that but the european court of justice mr vague of the european court of justice said you detain 2 families...