morning, saying this is not ukraine, you don't have the polarization of eastern ukraine toward russia, western ukraine toward the west. you perceive belarus, isn't one nation or a partitioned nation? i will take her point. i am sure her assessment is very good on this. different to ukraine, thank goodness for that, i suppose. the ukraine events certainly drove a wed between europe, made the response complicated. perhaps europe can be more united this time, but anything against russia should be watched closely from a geopolitical perspective. tom: the key element is the nato the so-called

pollutant whose empire borders on ukraine wants to prevent ukraine moving closer to europe. yes there's a strong. we joke that's a this and then europe is going to say if this state joined the west and became a member of the e.u. and nato 1st of all it meant that nato troops would be stationed all along this long border of its allies furthermore it was obvious that of crimea belongs to ukraine it was no longer russia's most important naval base. there instead we could have the americans. 6th fleet for example coming to the vast a hole the americans give law to. put in called a midnight meeting i decided that crimea should once again belong to russia. you know people it was such olympics were still going on when they had just ended the world was distracted and so russia clearly had plans on the books to take credit and they didn't invent them it was an impulsive move if you like. moscow acted quickly just 3 weeks after the ukrainian residents overthrow crimea declared its independence the in any case and at the strategic black sea pinin select quickly followed sunday's hastil

defense advisors ukraine. i chaired the revised rate board, u.s., canada, poland, with the when you and germany. advisors as strategic to the ukrainian defense minister. i have come to know firsthand today's ukraine and its many challenges and have developed relationships with supporters of ukraine. ukraine i encountered as a young man in 1980 was very different from the vibrant and helpful country i worked with as a defensive advisor, but fundamental chances remain the same. rid itself ofo moscow's interference, eliminate corruption and build an alluntable government to citizens. one thing has not changed and will not change and that is it is in the national security interest of the u.s. for ukraine to overcome these challenges and achieve a future in which ukraine is whole, democratic and free. ukraine is trained to achieve a --t and peaceful relation 13,000 dead, untold suffering. president zelensky has made ending this conflict a cornerstone of his administration. the u.s. remains an advocate for a diploma

i support discipline what's happening now reminds me of ukraine in 2014 everything started exactly the same way the young people with flowers now just die understand what was happening here in 1900 s. perhaps they want to return to 117 when people toppled the russian empire in a similar way and civil war but we want peace. and a protest is also being held outside the better russian embassy here in moscow it's been going on every day this week but on the course there are reports from the russian capital. this is the 8th day where we're covering the protests here outside the embassy a bill or is let me just to give you a hint self what is going on this is a live picture you can see people lining up with a white ribbon with flowers with red and white flags once again this has been happening here for days straits on saturday with seoul the largest turnout here as a line of protesters extended beyond that long over the last few days with talk to people from all walks of life but this particular protests are caught my attention issues it's a big chance there's nobody still waiting for someth

and keep all the oil and gas going away from ukraine so germany has just been ignoring the complaints and the noise out there for 5 or 6 years now and then nobody should be surprised that it's coming to a boil now this was this is an accident waiting to happen and they should have known it's going to come coming to a boil 3 u.s. sentences have told german citizens and others to quote see sanctity supporting the construction of the pipeline or face potentially fatal measures that is very aggressive language these are 3 senators from gas producing areas so it's very aggressive language to an ally absolutely these are some. litters these are only senators so i don't think you need to get too worked up about that but congress was a very strong majority in voting for these sanctions so the germans are making a mistake to think it's only trump versus germany and trying maybe gone no trouble maybe gone but the next president is going is probably going to be singing the same tune shows to much the german side have been saying they've been talking about this visit these comments or the letter

no it's not the same atoll look at ukraine i mean you have to population you have half of ukraine speaks russian and to whom the ukrainian part of the country the nationalists real fascists from the west of ukraine try to impose the ukrainian language everywhere you know to places like this on multiple donetsk and other places which on purely russian speakers so there are only russian speakers so this created a major problem in ukraine and of course the new coverage was not popular but it was in the dumbass region. it left but you see what happened in adama speech and. rebellion certainly a revolution in a way and other cities are not pleased population is not happy even if nobody says so so it's completely different from but i don't switch is. a country a large country with few people of less than 10000000 people a bit like belgium. although much larger territory and they there are there are old but i rush and if i may say going to know different languages and the history is russia is with russia and what happened in the last few months. between but i will send russia is probably the be

there's very few similarities between this and what happened in ukraine for a start in ukraine it was basically almost entirely but you know politics what is happening in ukraine is that you. had won an election in $0.21 sorry nobody disputed. election i mean nobody did it all he was overthrown basically because there was a you know a power struggle between the west and russia to a degree i mean the west was dangling all kinds of carrots e.u. association agreements talk of joining nato eventually john mccain chris murphy i think his name is from connecticut and american senator turned up on the might that definite mccain that anyway you saw people like rather small sikorsky carol fields representing you getting involved 'd victoria nuland from the state department the american ambassador geoffrey pyatt was very prominent that's not there at the moment there aren't any foreigners standing on the square in minsk it's a different situation now this is more similar to what happened in armenia 2 years ago when an election what actually was an election dispute it was that the president sock

bolivia but also in the past in ukraine. lately in serbia so really listen to all this have to listen to not just the bishops all but the if the whole back of the salt and understand that below truce is one of maybe 2 last congress europe which is not taking. off from the west from nato from the u.s. or from the european union itself or the more it's like democracy freedom you know it's used for every possible cool the chilean government also would throw in $73.00 in the name of freedom and democracy are every possible change every possible of almost terrorist attack again independent country done by diverse is justified by that below is not a democracy in the western sense of war or but it is a democracy in a very unique a whole week of our way to explain it to viewers who are don't really agree. to watch basically but you. think they will focus and go. all paternal figure and. the whole system will build russia is built on the emission grandmother who lives a loads of it outside of reach of skinner village and her roof get

goal he talked it's ukraine 1st grade is independent and developing and that is not within the orbit of fortune's full control the. you would not have died but let's bring in dover tell us a grim osa from london the it's an interesting question isn't it what does russia do next this is all happening in its neighborhood and its fair of influence was the russian thinking ahead do you think i think that border now has to really track to this very fine line because on the one hand he has to be very careful and i think that he would think very very carefully whether he's going to send in troops i don't think that is his preferred option i don't i agree with what the previous speaker said i mean it's certainly going to cause a great uproar even probably inside russia. and certainly inside the rules so he knows that that if he sends in even sort of little green man one night man that would also be very sort of risky so he has to find a way through which he come hey shango without interfering directly in some way and sort of instructing him how to address the crisis and trying to make sure t

jonathan's debut novel was inspired by his journey to trochenbrod in the ukraine to find a family that hidáfather and while his search turned up nothing the success of the novel awakened worldwide interest in trochenbrod that led to new careers for esther. armed with a hand-drawn map esther made the trip to ukraine and found more than she ever hoped she would. we are honored to have both esther and jonathan with us tonight for their first public dialogue about thebook . so before we begin a few quick things to note. tonight's conversation will follow with an audience q and a and you can submit your questions into the chat box and we will do our best to get to as many as we can but we have hundreds of viewers tonight and very many questions to sift through. this program is being recorded live and will be available for viewing on youtube and that video link will go out to all tonight's registrants in the coming days so make sure to look out for it and finally if you enjoy tonight's program please consider making a donation to the museum of jewish drainage for joining us as a member. we

know that this is an entirely different situation different situation of ukraine let me explain in ukraine that was a geo political element the european union was offering an association agreement and one hand and on the other hand moscow was offering a $15000000000.00 loan to ukraine to the den president. there's no similar situation now what you have is a certain amount people in the west talking about democracy and bringing democracy to put the freedom as they would say but but nobody's willing to offer anything there's no deal on the table for better or there's nobody saying you know we're going to do this. we're going to that feel close to what happened in ukraine where the economy has completely tanked and has been mass immigration since that my dad in 2014 it means ukraine is very much a cautionary tale for the russians i mean nobody wants to go down that road nobody wants millions of people leaving the country obviously not as divided on linguistic lines as ukraine but obviously they live far better than ukrainians don't forget that the g.d.p. per capita measured by purchasing powe

while it is theoretically yes but i think that in belarus less like what happened in ukraine belarus there are no so many russian people like a robust grain for it so well a russian nationalism is not as strong as the ukrainian war in the 20 years ago something interesting we've heard from the bell russian foreign minister on thursday was that belarus needs a change but not a revolution do you think any real change is likely if looks like a status. well if he's a wise politician and he's very experienced politician and here he may know that in such case it's battle to anticipate future demands of the opposition that dissipate crisis and to try to. set up some instruments for dialogue maybe like public dialogue a round table discussion about the future of the developed world a recent article on development about social and political development and somehow to incorporate. moderate opposition to political process try to maybe not sharing power but drive to allow them to participate in decision making at the local level of regional level at the national level so that they can express th

the first article in it has to do with the liberation of the ukraine. the point being, the significance of that is that, of course, one month later, we had d-day. and the point -- the relationship of the soviet contribution is that, as of that date, when we push -- when you liberate the ukraine, you effectively push the germans out of your country. by that point in time, one month before d-day, we had been occupying 65% maybe of the best german troops fighting us. if we hadn't done that, if they hadn't failed -- if we have failed in moscow or stalingrad or cursed, all of those trips could have well been on normandy beaches and it could've have been a different outcome. that's a significant contribution to winning the war that needs to be, if you will, explained to us as americans. we all contributed. there's nothing wrong with supporting, as we all do -- my father fought in world war ii. our contribution, but we have to understand the war as a total picture. and the eastern front, that's where we need to do it. as well as that strategic advantage, just

balin say that the conflict between russia and ukraine which was one of the main reservations about building military into was a thing from the past because there was a 5 year contract for gas transit through ukraine that had been signed last year or so for at least 5 years so i placed a short term gas is ensured in ukraine the amount of german u.s. relations have been rocky in recent years there's been the debate about huawei the chinese tech giant they've been economic sanctions and the talk about it how do those disagreements impact the economic relations between those 2 very important world economies. well this will of the pan depend on how these these 2 does not turn into disparate will and but it will of course have a pivotal role not only in here to u.s. and gender relations but also between the u.s. and the e.u. because you've completed the pipeline with double russia is that right that split capacity to germany and that will be the 1st entry point to the e.u. but now because of the threat of the sanctions the e.u. is again looking into the project so this won't only affect

the problems that ukraine has had ever since and i think for those of us who want to see a peaceful and if you like a legitimate democratic outcome for both of us it's very important that the losing side in any political crisis has options of coming back through the ballot box once you fall clothes that new then do risk civil war and civil conflict which is after all what has been set parts of ukraine ever since because it is escalating that means that both sides are short sided at the hair or lack of strategic vision of the situation overthrowing the governmental side it would be wise to ask the opposition to least of the interests so why they are so keen to get to read all the president lucas and opposition should also try to find a way to be integrated into into into legal political process drive to suggest something that is acceptable to the government. running out of russia this week announced it had approved the wild. vaccine the job is already in production however scientists around the globe are running the along over the speed of development more on that story after this sh

i support disability what's happening now reminds me of ukraine to 1014 everything started in exactly the same way the young people with flowers now just don't understand what was happening here 990 s. perhaps they want to return to 117 when people toppled the russian empire in a similar way and civil war but we want peace. they protest is also being held every day outside the belorussian embassy in moscow artie's romano reports now from the russian capital. this is the 8th day where we're covering the protests here outside the embassy a bill or is let me just to give you a hint self what's going on this is a live picture you can see people lining up with the white ribbon the flowers with the red and white flags once again this has been happening here for 8 days straight on saturday was still the largest turnout here as the line of protesters extended beyond that long over the last few days with talk to people from all walks of life but this particular protests are caught my attention issues it's a big chance there is nobody for you waiting for something to happen being anxious and th

the dissolute mother waits on the border between ukraine and russian occupied crimea. for news of her missing son to move. for you but you might as well you were more than a little a prostitute as they used. their store or a sailor but there are losses that are many but you have. to more openly opposed russia's annexation of crimea in 2014. though his mother refuses to accept it it's likely he paid for his opposition with his life. here is that one major loss to me was that almost died at that whopping amount as i would have had about a transfer us. at that at the best day of the i would say yes. she's not alone in her grief. humorous young counterman have disappeared following a rest. of the person her brother her for his sugarbush you were most absurd pretty sure she was going to go for good or a super sort of church near you do not see. the doors were the problem worse and really do which. was 1st and then the prepared. to run you have not the person but i'm a bit of. a super tuesday girl knows i'm not sure. russia is determined to keep its alleged abuse of human ri

before that she was a scholar on russia and ukraine. how to lose the information or , russia and the future of congress conflict is an amazing title for it is essential reading for everyone on this call, zoom in all of your friends. we remember russian successful campaign in 2016 showed distrust and confusion in front of the presidential election. in order to win the information war, as needed say, we need to understand what disinformation is. i have heard her on this topic before. and it what it is not. this information is used to false or misleading information with malign intent. that is different from misinformation which can also be harmful but lacks malign and intent. it is brought goals and propaganda which involves the promotion of a nations worldview. what need arise, unlike soviet propaganda, sought to promote specific communist centric worldview, the kremlin today divides populations around the world with one goal in mind. the destruction of western democracy as we know it. our democracy, no supplies to anyone on the zoom, co

i suppose discipline what's good to know reminds me of ukraine in 2014 everything started it was that through the scene with many of my friends only of the good stuff when societies divided the young people with flowers now just don't understand what was happening here in 1900 perhaps they want to return to 117 when people toppled the russian empire in a similar way and civil war is here but we want peace now earlier today videos did surface on the internet of tractors heading in that direction in the direction of independent. square although it's still unknown and unconfirmed as to why they were going in that direction but right now there's also an anti lucas shank protest going on in the same independent square as of pro lucas shank oh protest is taking place and by the looks of it it seems like the abnormal brutality that the police has been using over the past several days to control protests has been contributing to a strengthening of opposition forces there we've seen workers across some of the country's major factories go on strike against the brutality we've seen protests so-c

this polio, czech republic and ukraine i introduce readers to the people who fought this information some success with some less so and the enabler prayed the most important one is that people need to be at the heart of the response to this information. tech platforms, governments, journalist many can fact check their way out of the crisis of truth and trust that we face. but if we educate our citizens and repair the tracks in our democracies to eliminate troll farms in the first place they might have a shot at averting arid if they don't i feel our efforts will be another cautionary tale in another example of how to lose information war britain now going to turn it over. select thank you nina, thank you jane for joining us. nina said exactly right. we at the institute are lucky to find nina. but nina's work supporting the mission at a really difficult time for talking and thinking seriously about russia, ukraine, former soviet renee and roentgen region issues certainly anything that is with election interference. you all know very well, i can't imagine anyone on the call you can't o

i support disability what's happening now reminds me of ukraine in 2014 everything started it was that people the same way many of my friends only of the so. good stuff with. the young people with flowers now just don't understand what was happening here in 1900 have they want to return to 917 when people toppled the russian empire in a similar way and civil war theory but we want peace. now videos have also emerged across the internet of tractors approaching the protest area although it's still unknown for what reason they were traveling that way but right now an anti look at shango demonstration is just beginning to take place protesters are arriving at the same independence square where a pro protest is taking place now over the past week of on rest the abnormal brutality with which the police have used to control the protests has only seemed to really strengthen opposition forces in the country earlier this week we saw the workers across the country's major factories go on strike against the police brutality we also saw so-called lines of protest lines of solidarity protests in whi

the problems that ukraine has had ever since and i think for those of us who want to see a peaceful and if you like a legitimate democratic outcome for both of us it's very important that the losing side in any political crisis has options of coming back through the ballot box once you foreclose that new then do risk civil war civil conflict which is after all what has been set up parts of ukraine ever since because it is escalating that means that both sides are short sided of the hair or lack of strategic vision of the situation overthrown the governmental side it would be wise to ask the opposition to least of the interests so why they are so keen to get read all the president lucas and opposition should also try to find a way to be integrated into into own 2 legal political process drive to suggest something that is acceptable to the government. this is big news in the wake of the significant of. elements in the fight against covert 19 on choose day russia were announced as it registered the world's 1st coronavirus vaccine it's been named sputnik 5 and on saturday the country's

there are very strong similarities he lays out but i tell you what happened in ukraine we had a very similar scenario not a color so i take it what it was successful color revolution in yugoslavia the united states aligned in the light of many western countries was whatever happens in the result but also between it will be illegitimate we had the same rhetoric coming out of the western capitals as we're getting here that the government that was told it couldn't really respond to any protests against even if they turn violent and that's what we're seeing so it's kind of movie that we've seen many times before and it doesn't end well that movie to that the previous lot it didn't end well for the people of your great there's tremendous interest here for the west and. it's not about democracy or human rights it's about power it's about economics and it's about geopolitics probably the better comparison is with ukraine in 2004 of the time of the so-called orange revolution by the russian society whatever its views on who should be president. is anxious to avoid not only the kind of violen

vocally opposed to any kind of nato membership for ukraine for georgia a little into belarus because for them and they to state is something maybe a step too far too big a risk but i will what i think nato members poland if you any of that have borders a better or worse have to fear much more realistically is a much more significant a russian military footprint along that border. than exists already and the integration between us to states has progressed quite some way but there will be a price to pay even for covert help you can shake a will have to allow some kind of deep integration with russia they've been pushing this for time and he's been trying to avoid this to keep his kind of room for we go between wiggle room as it were to europe and russia and he will have to somehow come up with the goods if now he relies on russian 5 powerful manpower to put these protests down. but will definitely be watching to see which side wins of coming down on the right side nick connelly in minutes for us tonight nic thank you. well the european union today demanded that bella ruse release all p