governor dukakis spooe speaks spanish, too. he spent a good deal of time in central and south america. we believe we ought to be working together with a new alliance for progress, bringing in other countries to help. bring in europeans, the spanish, who have a real afanity for that area. bringing in the japanese, a great capital circlist and looking for places to invest it. those are the positive things i think we could do, to bring about peace in that area. to help raise that standard of living and give them the kind of stability where democracy and perceive and can prosper and bloom. those are the kinds of things that we would be committed to in a dukakis-bentsen administration to try to make this world a better place in which to live. >> senator quayle, your response? >> there's no doubt in a dukakis administration that the aid would be cut off to the democratic resistance in nicaragua. that is unfortunate. the reason it's unfortunate, is because it's beyond me why it's okay for the soviet union to put in billions of dollars

dukakis. you have two minutes to respond. governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for he killer? >> no, i don't, bernard. and i think you know that i've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence that it's a deterrent, and i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. we've done so in my own state. and it's one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in america; why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in america. but we have work to do in this nation. we have work to do to fight a real war, not a phony war, against drugs. and that's something i want to lead, something we haven't had over the course of the past many years, even though the vice president has been at least allegedly in charge of that war. we have much to do to step up that war, to double the number of drug enforcement agents, to fight both here and abroa

>> michael dukakis wasn't looking for a clone. i think it's part of the strength and the character of this man thae reaches out and that he wants someone that will speak up, and that i'll do. i've seen many chief executives come into my office and say they're going over and telling the president of the united states off, they're going to pound the desk, and go into that office and turn to jello. i've dealt with many a president and i don't hesitate for a minute to speak up. but when you're talking about something like the death penalty where michael dukakis and i do disagree, what you really ought to get to is what's being done against crime, and what kind of progress he's been able to make. in the state of massachusetts, he has the homicide rate down to the lowest of any industrial state. it's substantially ahead of the national average. he has been able to do that with an educated program for the people of that state by adding some 1,500 new police officers. he's done it in turn by the leadership that i think he will bring to th

dukakis. he has said that he does not want a clone of himself, but you disagree with him on some major issues aid to the nicaraguan , contras, the death penalty, gun control, among others. if you had to step into the presidency, whose agenda would you pursue, yours or his? senator bentsen: well, i am delighted to respond to that question, because we agree on so many things and the vast majority of the issues. we agree on the fact that we have to cut this deficit. and governor dukakis has been able to cut that deficit ten budgets in a row in the state of massachusetts, while he lowered the tax burden on their people from one of the highest to one of the lower in the united states. that is a major sense of achievement. and i admire that. and i'm just delighted to be on the ticket with him. governor dukakis and i agreed that we ought to have a trade policy for this country, that we've seen this administration more than double the national debt, that, they've moved this country from the number one

and dukakis and bentsen will be committed to that. judy woodruff: tom brokaw, a question for senator quayle. tom brokaw: thank you, judy. senator quayle, there's been a lot of talk during the course of this campaign about family. it was a principal theme, as i recall, in your acceptance speech in new orleans. tonight i'd like to ask you about the 65 million american children who live with their families in poverty. i'd like for you to describe to the audience the last time that you may have visited with one of those families personally and how you explain to that family your votes against the school breakfast program, the school lunch program, and the expansion of the child immunization program. [applause] senator quayle: i have met with those people, and i met with them in fort wayne, indiana, at a food bank. you may be surprised, tom, they didn't ask me those questions on those votes, because they were glad that i took time out of my schedule to go down and to talk about how we are going to get a food bank going and making sure that

and governor dukakis has been able to cut that deficit. ten budgets or in the state of massachusetts. while he lowered the tax burden on their people from one of the highest to one of the lower in the united states. that is a majors. sense of achievement. and i admire that and i'm just >> delighted to be on the >> ticket what governor dukakis and i agree that we ought to have a trade policy for this country. that we've seen this administration more than double the national debt. that they move this country from the number one lender nation in the world to the number one that are now used in the world. under their administration that they have not had a trade policy that they have let trade be handmade >> for other foreign policy >> objectives of the country. that this country has >> exported too many jobs and. and as i work. to pass a trade bill through the united states. they throwed through roadblocks on the way. every step of the way. >> bill that has this premise that any >> country that has full access to our markets where >> entitled

so, i would say that the concept of dukakis family has my great respect. that was just an objective statement. i think the man, anybody that gets into this political arena and has to face you guys every day deserve the word of praise because it's gotten a little ugly out there. it's gotten a little nasty. it's not much fun sometimes. i would cite again dan quayle. i've been in politics a long time. and i don't remember that kind of piling-on that kind of ugly rumor that never was true printed. now, come on. some of it is unfair that he's in the arena. teddy roosevelt used to talk about the arena, you know, daring to fail greatly or succeed. doesn't matter. he's in there. i salute these things. sam rayburn had a great perspective. all of those intellectuals out there griping and saying negative coverage. and he says, yeah, that guy has never run for sheriff. michael dukakis has run for sheriff and so has george bush. >> governor, one-minute response. >> i didn't hear the word liberal one time. >> that's not bad. that's true. >> doesn't that prove the point,

if you would consider for a moment governor dukakis and his years of public service. is there anything else you can say about him? anything you find admirable? >> you're staying in my clothes. have something to say about it. >> let me tell you something about that. >> bob and i were sitting out there before the democratic convention and we saw the governor and his son on television the night before. and his family. and his mother who was there. i was saying to barbara we always kept family as a bit of an oasis for us. you all know me, we held it back a little. we use that as a role model. the way he took understandable pride in his heritage. what his family means to him. we've got a strong family and we watched that and we said hey we need to release the push kids. you saw ten grandchildren they're jumping all over the grand father in the convention. you see our five kids all over the country and their spouses. so i would see that the concept of the caucus family has my great respect. i don't know if that is kind or not. it's just objective statement. i think that any

so i would say that the concept of dukakis family has my great respect. i don't know if that is kind or not. it is just object to. statement and i think anybody that gets into this political arena and has to be success every day deserves a word of praise because it's gotten a little ugly at. there it's gotten a little. nasty it's not much fun sometimes. and i would say it again dan quell. i've been in politics a long time and i don't remember the kind of piling. on that kind of ugly rumor that was never true. printed. now come on. so some of it is unfair. he's in the arena. teddy roosevelt used to talk about the arena. you know daring to feel greatly or succeed. this matter. he's in there. so a salute these. things a salute those who put a spin the plug process. sam rebrand had a great expression on. this he said you know there are all these intellectuals of the griping and complaining insiders negative coverage. rayburn says yeah and the guy never ran for sheriff, either. michael detectives has run for sheriff and so has george. bush >> governor, one min

bush and michael dukakis. [video clip] >> bush and a cup of some crime. supports the death penalty for murderers. -- willie horton received 10 weekend passes run prison. he kidnapped a young couple, stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his government. weekend prison passes, dukakis on crime. >> george bush talks about prison furloughs, but he will not tell you that the massachusetts program was bushed by republican and will not talk about this drug dealerler -- that was furlough. the real story on for those is george bush has taken a furlough from the truth. host: who is behind the infamous willie horton ad? that ad was produced by a third-party political organization that was very closely aligned with the republican party, called the national security back. when it was taken off, the bush campaign immediately went on the -- there isuch more aprogram that showed revolving door, people going into prison and coming out of prison and mentioned willie horton or it willie horton was not the only figure discussed in that spot, but it was based on the willie h

bush and michael dukakis and at 4:00 p.m. eastern on reel america, john f. kennedy's 1960s speech on church and state followed by ronald reagan's 1966 the myth of the great society speech. exploring the american story. watch american history tv this weekend on c-span3. ♪ ♪ >> and now on american history tv a united autoworkers animated campaign film for president franklin roosevelt's 1944 re-election campaign. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hey, joe! joe! >> yeah, sam! >> take a look at today's timetable. only one of these can get through to washington. 44 is a single track, you know? >> yeah, but sam, aren't the american people onboard to win the war special? >> well, all, but a ♪ ♪ >> you see that switch, joe? ♪ >> you've got to sidetrack. >> i'm just the guy that can do it, sam. >> look, joe, you can if you don't fall asleep at the switch like you did in november 1942. >> asleep! >> don't worry about me. he'll have to knock me out. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>

the massachusetts program was started by republican and stopped by mike dukakis. and bush won't talk about the thousands of drug kingpins furloughed. bush won't talk about this drug pusher, one of his furloughed heroin dealers, who raped and murdered patsy hedren. -- that story is a george bush has taken a furlough from the truth. >> if you like politics, you can find plenty of archival ads and campaign speeches on our website, c-span.org. >> this fall, american history tv is airing archival coverage of residential campaigns. between billate clinton and bob dole from the 1996 presidential campaign. candidates discussed national security, government spending, medicare reform, and there political philosophies. president clinton defeated dole with 49% of the popular vote to mr. dole's fully 1%. ross perot finished third with 8.4%. this debate is from hartford, connecticut. mr. lehrer: good evening from the bushnell theatre in hartford, connecticut. i'm jim lehrer of the news hour on pbs. welcome to the first of the 1996 presidential debates between president bill cli

bush and michael dukakis and at 4:00 p.m. eastern on reel america, john f. kennedy's 1960s speech on church and state followed by ronald reagan's 1966 the myth of the great society speech. exploring the american story, watch american history tv this weekend on c-span3. >> up next on american history tv, a june 1944 newsreel from the office of war information. it includes stories about the 1944 presidential election. the fall of mussolini and franklin roosevelt signing the g.i. bill. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the city of chicago is the scene of the 1944 republican national convention. signs everywhere welcome delegates gathered to nominate a republican candidate for president. governor bricker of ohio who was nominated candidate for vice president and here is senator taft from ohio prominent among the delegates. the nomination of new york's governor dewey was conceded almost before the convention opened. ♪ ♪ congressman martin, permanent chairman of the convention chats with former governor landon. landon was the 1946 republican. willkie was the 1940s st

bush and michael dukakis. at 4:00 p.m. eastern on "reel america" kennedy's speech on church and state followed by ronald reagan's 1966 the myth of great society speech. watch american history tv this weekend on c-span3. >>> next on american history tv, a biographical film produced by dwight eisenhower's 1952 xain. this film was shown in movie theaters and distributed to civic organizations. ♪ through 20 years of wavering and wandering through hot and cold wars through corruption and s cynicism the american people have hungered for integrity wisdom and courage. >> we sought a leader of the people. >> a man raised to leadership by the people. >> a leader whose whole life has been spent for the people. >> a sturdy, humble heir to the respect and the affection all peoples felt. such a man is general ike, dwight d. eisenhower, the man from abilene. never in history have so many americans known so much about the very essence of one man. >> 100 million americans know eisenhower the way you know a neighbor. we know him by heart.

and massachusetts governor, michael dukakis. the candidates took question on taxes, the budget deficit, and nuclear weapons stockpiles, and their choice of vice presidential running mates. that is followed by the first debate between incumbent president, bill clinton, and former kansas senator. from the 1996 campaign. watch tonight, starting at 8 pm eastern and enjoy american history tv this weekend every weekend on c-span 3. >> you're watching american history tv every weekend on c-span three explore our nations past, c-span 3 created by americas cable television companies as a public service. and brought to you today, by your television provider. >> coming up next on american tv, second debate of 1988 between vice president george bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. the candidates took questions on taxes, the budget deficit, defense spending, nuclear weapons, and each candidate's choice of running mate. >> good evening, on behalf of the commission on prison issue of debates, i am pleased to

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and even michael dukakis was at his funeral. and a lot of national politicians, when they heard the news, they made statements about how important willie was to the political process and getting minorities involved in the political process. in 1995, president clinton posthumously awarded willie the presidential medal of freedom. and here we have the invitation to mrs. velasquez for the ceremony, awarding him the presidential medal of freedom. the collection is not only important to san antonio, not only important to the southwest, because they did work all across the southwest, not just texas, but it is important nationally. what they've been able to do in terms of increasing mexican-american voter registration, also having an influence on how many politicians, mexican-american politicians we have in office now, they have made a huge impact on getting out the vote to minority communities. >> you can watch this and other programs on the history of communities across the country at c-span.org/cities tour. this is american history

. >> in the next election, michael dukakis was asked this question. rapedkitty dukakis were and murdered, would you favor and a revocable definitely -- an irrevocable death penalty. >> the public sees his answer as cold and dispassionate. debate, dan988 quayle elicited this blistering response. >> you are no john kennedy. >> body language plays a part. george h w bush deliberately looks at his watch. people see it is disrespectful. differencege makes a between george bush and al gore. both president and obama and governor romney are seasons debaters. if there is one thing that history taught us, expect the unexpected. we have one more. there ago. -- there we go. i thought we would show a little bit from 2016 just to remind us how we got here. this is a little clip from one of their debates. we will live ago five minutes. a speech you gave to a learnedn bank, we have that you said this. a hemisphere with open trade and open borders. is that your dream? >> if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about energy. we trade more energy

eastern, the second debate between george h w bush and michael dukakis. at 4:00 p.m. eastern on real america, john f. kennedy's 1960 speech on church and state, followed by ronald reagan's 1966 the myth of the great society speech. exploring the american story. watch american history tv this weekend on c-span3. ♪ >> the senate judiciary committee has been a to consider the nomination of supreme court nominee amy coney barrett. c-span.org has every minute of the confirmation hearings, including this moment with nebraska senator ben sasse. -- miserable cheaters -- i think all baseball fans know the houston astros cheat, they steal signs, they bang on cans, they have done a bunch of miserable things historically and deserve to

[laughter] >> in the next election, michael dukakis was asked this question. >> if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> the public sees his answer as cold and dispassionate. during the 1988 debate, dan quayle elicited this blistering response. >> senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> body language plays a part. george h w bush deliberately looks at his watch. people see it is disrespectful. body language makes a difference in the debate between george bush and al gore. sighed over and over again. both president and obama and governor romney are seasoned debaters. if there is one thing that history taught us, expect the unexpected. prof. buhler: we have one more. it is not advancing now. there we go. i thought we would show a little bit from 2016 just to remind us how we got here. this is a little clip from one of their debates. we will let it go maybe five minutes. >> in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we have learned that you said this. hemispheric common market with open trade an

couple,idnapped a young and we can present passes, dukakis on crime. george bush talks a lot about prison furloughs, but he will not tell you that the rest to choose this program was started by republican. bush will not talk about the thousands of drug kingpins furloughed while he led the poor on drugs. he will not talk about one of his furloughed hair one dealers who raped and murdered a mother of two. the real story about furloughs is that george bush has taken a furlough from the truth. host: who was behind the infamous willie horton ad? guest: that was produced by a third party political that was closely aligned with the republican party called national security pac. , the bushs taken off campaign immediately went on the air with a much more polished the wholeattacked furlough program in massachusetts and showed a revolving door, these people going in and out, look like in and out of the prison could it mentioned willie horton and he was not the only figure discussed in that spot. a lot of people confuse the two. they think the first spot was a bus

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the object was to show dukakis humanity. he threw it away. gave a bureaucratic, robotic answer. a lot of people we now know from polls said that is not someone i want as president frmt th. from that moment on george h.w. bush was ahead. >> you are lookingality our friend kristen welker addressing the hall. >> lester, that's a job you had four years ago. >> i'll tell you something i shared with her, it's a very lonely moment when you turn your back and you sit there and look at these two very powerful people and realize you've done your homework, but you've also watched weeks of people talking about you on cable tv, what you're going to do, what your political leanings are. it's a lonely place. >> the stakes are high but it's a different world and our politics, unfortunately, have turned where the moderator is often fair game. kristen welker has had to withstand some of that in the last few days. we can say and be a little editorial here, this is our colleague and our friend and we know that she will do a wonderful job and be fair to both sides. here she sits down. we'll be back

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host: i want to ask the independence, which party were dukakis and why. linn: thank you for tonight and looking forward to having a great conversation had its core and i argue in the last comment but she cannot because she was with her party and irrelevant of why caucus with i can truly be independent in washington speaker gideon or collins cannot. and then the money and the space command to be sick and tired of politics. with the career politicians with the magnitude of washington and is for something different and i to caucus with the party and then to you up to $100 million. savage: thank you for holding the debate and thinking to the chamber of commerce. i was a green party member because the restrictions are so severe so if i win the election and i plan to man will in the green party to enter the senate as the screen senator so i don't have to caucus for either party as a means remember focused on getting medical for all american people that will meet with and work with where standards were republicans that is my top priority with universal healthcar

eastern, the second debate between george h w bush and michael dukakis, and at 4:00 p.m. eastern on "reel america," john f. kennedy's church andch on state. watch american history tv this weekend on c-span3. >> the first tv presidential campaign ads aired during the 1952 contest between republican dwight d. eisenhower and democrat adlai stevenson. as have been essential to every presidential campaign since. here's a look. a little townin called hope, arkansas, three month after my father died. i remember that old two-story house where i lived with my grandparents. they had very limited income. it was in 1963 that i went to washington andto met president kennedy, and i remember thinking what an incredible country this was not someone like me who had no money or anything would be given an opportunity to meet the president. that's when i really decided i could do public service because i cared so much about people. i worked my way through law school with part-time jobs, anything i could find. after i graduated, i really didn't care about making a lot of money. i just wanted

dentists encourages people to vote for trump if schumer keep their clothes on i would vote for michael dukakis at this point. i got to tell you. >> laura: don't we need the bare essentials like commander -- all, the jokes. we don't want to think about them without their clothing, or let alone see them. now by then, he was campaigning in the west this week. where he seemed stripped of any sense. >> do you realize before we pass the law, pregnancy was considered it a pre-existing? not a joke. insurance companies are allowed to charge more for a woman for the same exact medical procedure. then a man. same one. [laughter] >> so much for following the science, i think biden is probably having a senior moment. and fact, the campaign did a full scale outreach to seniors today. they called it boomers for biden, rock and doo-wop party. this is what the seniors got. >> i'll see if i can hit the set up. joe and kamala. joe and kamala. let's vote trump away. >> laura: oh, my god. >> i've got to tell you, their trading notes and begging people to vote and donate in the sitting little bits of song. if there

second presidential debate of 1988 between vice president george bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. the candidates took questions on taxes, the budget deficit, defense spending nuclear weapons and each candidate's choice of running mate. >> good evening. on behalf of the commission on presidential debates i am pleased to welcome you to the second presidential debate. i am bernard shaw of margaret warner of

bush clobbered dukakis. i am not sure tomorrow or the day after it will make a lot of difference. >> dana: my last question. do you think that joe biden is making a descent request to ask that president trump prove to be testing negative for coronavirus before the debate next thursday night in miami? >> chris: yes. look, according to the science people be can contagious for two weeks. next thursday will be 13 days after the president tested positive. so, sure, both of them should be on the record as testing negative. i didn't remember this. but in the third debate in 1960 between kennedy and nixon, it was a virtual debate. kennedy was in new york and nixon was on the west coast. a split-screen debate. not in the same hall. given the potential that one of them could infect the other, it could be biden re-infecting the president, i am not sure i understand the need for them -- why they could not have a virtual debate. it works. >> dana: well, we are and we will keep talking. thanks, chris wallace. biden's surr

with dukakis and lieberman and barack obama and tim cain. do you think at the vice-presidential level given the times in which we are in 2020, this means more tonight or no? >> i think it's very consequential because of the president's illness. people will take a much closer look at mike pence. over the years vice-presidential debates generally have not made a difference. the first one that was ever held in 1976, the research showed it made a 3% difference in the general election. i think tonight big stakes. >> bill: you just mentioned mike pence. you think people are taking a closer look at him. he's been in public life for years. what is kamala harris's big challenge tonight? she has never had this platform before, robert. >> well, mike pence when he did this last time against tim cain in 2016 was a governor and member of congress. this time he will have to defend 4 years of a presidency. that's a big difference. i think kamala harris will likely go very hard at the failures of those 4 years as the democrat party sees them. also, the most

dukakis. -- h w bush and michael dukakis. the speech on church and state followed by ronald reagan's 1966 the list of the great society's speech. exploring the american stories, watch american history tv today on c-span3. had a choice to make. do i let my people run it really well or badly? badly, they will blame him and they will blame me. he has cost 10 million people their health care because of his recession. >> with less than two weeks before the 2020 election, watch the second presidential debate between president donald trump and former vice president joe biden thursday from belmont university in nashville, tennessee. live coverage begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span with it live on the seas print -- c-span. listen live on the c-span radio app. >> with the senate confirmation hearings>> for judge amy coney barrett concluded, watch the next steps in the confirmation process, starting thursday, live at 9:00 a.m. eastern. the senate judiciary committee votes on judge barrett's nomination

so in 1987 when i was working for michael dukakis and my job was to find foreign policy advisers, i thought why not, i will call there. i asked her and she said madeline, i don't have to tell you this but i am a republican. and i said, how could you be? we have the same father. as we talked about that a lot and we do see each other. >> one of the other women who succeeded you was hillary clinton. what was the nature of your relationship with her? >> well, let me go back to something you would ask about becoming secretary secretary o. one of the things that happen when i finally became secretary of state and i was traveling with her and president clinton, did this shtick abroad were i would introduce her and she would introduce him, and he said that during this time of great mentioning that hillary would go to him and say why wouldn't you name madeleine? and besides, it would make your mother happy. i owe this all to work. but the thing that happen when i went to be in in a vassar all e jokes that hillary was channeling eleanor roosevelt and as you eleanor roosevelt with her active at the u.

governor >> governor if kitty dukakis was raped and murdered, would you favor and a rather cobble death penalty for the killer? >> no i don't bernard. >> the public sees answers cold in dispassionate. and that very night is plummer's. drop >> >> you are no john kennedy. >> body language plays a in part in the presidential debate of 1982. body language makes a difference between al gore and george w. bush. gore size over and over again. and bush wins the debate and the election. >> president obama and governor romney are experience debaters. but there is one thing that history has taught us, is that the president's debate you can expect the unexpected. >> all right we'll, leave their we have one more and it's not advancing now. okay there we go. i want to show you a little bit from 2016, just to remind us how we got to where we are in this election today so this is a clip but about one of their debates. i will let it go maybe five minutes. >> what is your position on this issue, because in a speech you gave to brazilian bank in which you are paid -- and we learn from wikileaks, you said

eastern, the second debate between george bush and michael dukakis. 4:00 p.m., real america, john f. kennedy's speech on church and state followed by ronald reagan's 1966, "the myth of the great society" speech. explore america's story on american history tv this weekend on c-span3. >>> up next on american history tv, harry truman's speech at the 1948 democratic national convention in philadelphia. >> our leader and the next president of the united states. [ applause ] [ applause ]

i don't believe we need to go back to the mondale proposals and a dukakis reposes of tax and spend. governor clinton says 200,000, but he also says he wants to raise 150 billion. taxing people that much won't get you 100 and 50 billion. adding in his other spending proposals you saw it to the workingmen. the old adage that they give to soak the rich? soak the rich? it always ends up being the poor cabdriver or workingman that pays the bill. i just have a different approach. i believe the way to get the deficit down is to control the growth of mandatory spending programs and not raise taxes on the american people. again, a big difference there. >> mr. perrault, one minute. -- mr. ross perot: right now we have a flat to deteriorating job base going to minimum-wage jobs. we have got to really rebuild the job base. that's going to take money for infrastructure and investment to do that. foreign competitors are doing it and we are not. we cannot pay off the $4 trillion debt. with the high paying jobs in this country without the revenue, we will go through shared sacrifice. created a mess

i do not believe we need to go back to the mondale proposals or the dukakis proposals of tax and spend. governor clinton says $200,000 but he also says he wants to raise $150 billion. taxing people over $200,000 will not get you $150 billion. and then when you add in his other spending proposals, regrettably you end up socking it to the working man. that old adage they use -- we're going to soak the rich -- we're going to soak the rich -- it always ends up being the poor cab driver or the working man that ends up paying the bill. and so i just have a different approach. i believe the way to get the deficit down is to control the growth of mandatory spending programs, and not raise taxes on the american people. we've got a big difference there. >> mr. perot, one minute. [ applause ] >> we've got to have a growing, expanding job base to give us a growing, expanding tax base. right now we have a flat to deteriorating job base and where it appears to be growing, it's minimum-wage jobs. so we've got to really rebuild our job base. that's going to take money for infrastructure and investment

he did after the very divisive 1988 election, which was really a brutal knife fight against michael dukakis, but he went to thet democrats and came up with an end to the divisive fights that thelasted and much of 1980's for the funding of the contra wars in latin america. and then there is the dealmaking with the soviets and the coalition and assembling the coalition that foster -- fought the first gulf war. baker brought so many internet coalition and it was almost the first conflict in american history that turn a profit. host: we did a special on the program on political advertising . what was james baker's view of the notorious willie horton ad that was run in that campaign? guest: it is part of baker's legacy. politics as well as policy. in that particular case, that specific ad that has become so famous over the years was not actually aired by the bush campaign itself. it was aired by a separate, independent conservative group that supported bush. the bush campaign itself ran an ad that didn't use the name or face, but did highlight the program that willie horton was elated to. they d

and then, olivia dukakis is like "here, hit weeza," and throws her in her face, right. [ laughter ] so you have that pivot from that hysterical, like hysterically crying to this hysterical laughter and joy. and i thought, "oh, when i saw "hannah gatsby: special" a few years ago and she was able to do that, i thought "oh, you can do that in this medium." you can be original and make it -- i mean, you know, you can marry those moments. you can still have hysterical jokes for 45 minutes and get serious for five minutes like, there's no reason that that form is, you know, it's not so rigid and defined as it used to be so it was challenging and it was just -- it feels so good that i was able to accomplish something during covid >> jimmy: because i've never seen you do anything like that usually, it's all jokes the whole thing. which i love but this was a good little thing and everyone is like -- and after reading your last book, learning more about you and your family, it's a person up there but you did it perfectly you wrote the line perfectly and you did it in new jersey >> thank you i di

in fact, what i heard was a lflt jon lovitz playing michael dukakis on "snl" like 25 years ago. how could i lose to this guy? there was such exasperation in barack obama's speech. this guy is clearly incompetent. he tweets insane theories. you can't not vote for him. you know, it's red meat for the base. it's catharsis for people who are watching it. but i also think this is really interesting, brian. if you think about it, the biggest, most important surrogate for joe biden would be barack obama. and he hasn't been the point until these last two weeks. that is indicative of a campaign that is very confident. places like pennsylvania as opposed to i've got to send barack obama there to make shire i secure these location ppz i think this is a good sign strategically for the campaign, a good sign this is the kind of rhetoric they're on. they're selling we already know this guy is competent and the incumbent is terrible as opposed to we're desperate and more concerned. >> and jonathan lemire, take us out on the trail, figuratively, with you. talk about these trump rallies as events