one >> could you comment on her relationship to eleonora roosevelt? >> frances perkins and alien arose have had a very interesting complicated relationship. they both shared the affection of franklin roosevelt, in different ways. eleanor was an enormously valuable -- frances perkins was the one who came up with the ideas, and enacted legislation. franklin roosevelt was the one who had the political savvy, and popularity to make things happen. and eleanor was the one who could popularized the zeid eons. the two women were friends, they loved each other, as allies of a lifetime due, and they were also fierce rivals and often jealous of each other. at the end of their lives, there's a wonderful picture of the two women, at the 50th anniversary of the triangle fire, and their heads are bent in close to each other, and you could see what sincere friendship and affection they had for each other. despite, whatever little tip stay may have had over the years. >> yes, thank you very much for writing the book, i enjoyed it very much. and i agree with you that i