sweden. and examine how it's different approach is working out. ♪ >> let's turn to the protests in thailand. bangkok is seen another day of demonstrations. the thousands of pro-democracy supporters have turned out and marched to the city, demanding --all despite of decree to ban large gatherings. >> this first day of the protest ban is not going well for the authorities. [speaking foreign language] >> one of the few leaders led the crowd in a chant of, "we are not afraid!" like a lot of people here, he believes that what happens next largel depends on the king. >> do you think the king is listening to you? >> [speaking foreign language] i cannot answer that easily. we would like his majesty to adjust himself. do not --in the future, we want the monarchy to live in harmony with the people. ♪ >> we are here in the bbc news room, our lead story comes from france regarding the big jump in covid-19 cases of more than 30000 and actions in the past day. every week, we produce a video from the we

this epidemiologist in sweden says people understood this. you need to look at this super spreader issue and limit them. that is really the most visible — the only real intervention they did was to set some gatherings were 50. so that is sweden's approach, and how we assess it, let's compare the numbers. first, sweden's total deaths per capita is higher than most european nations, when it comes to the total number of cases per capita, both norway and the uk have lower figures than sweden but spain and france 0hio. third, while sweden has avoided so far an autumn surge, it's infection rate is higher than norway and germany and is rising. this definitely isn't a clear—cut success story and there are other issues, too. some critics argue the whole thing is actually a misjudged plan to achieve herd immunity, something that is strongly denied. also, sweden's approach has relied on thousands of people shielding. and has been accused of failing to properly protect care homes at the start of the pandemic. but the man behind sweden's response thin

how has sweden done it? guest: first of all, i think what you can say that sweden has done is we did manage to curb the so-called first wave without a lockdown. if you just look at the curves, it looks quite similar to the u.k. curve. but without a lockdown. so it is possible to get down to very low numbers without a strict lockdown. so that, we have shown. how did we do that? as you just said, we had a series of recommendations. these recommendations included what everyone else has been hearing since the pandemic started -- wash your hands, keep your physical distance from people, and stay-at-home if you have any symptoms. lately, also get tested as soon as the testing capacity was ramped up, avoid public transport and work from home if you can. katty: may i ask about wearing masks? here in america, it is a big deal, wearing masks. i don't leave my house without one, everyone wears a mask everywhere and there is a fine in washington if i don't wear a mask. in sweden, i have heard it is frowned on to our mas

how would you assess sweden today? >> sweden is essentially back to normal. and you can see that the other european countries are following sweden, and that's having large spikes and positive tests which are not going for national lockdowns. but there is not -- but he said don't be afraid of cobit and don't let it dominate your life. >> that might be the most controversial thing he's ever said because he's literally saying don't be afraid of cobit, he saying don't be afraid of one another. it's a respiratory virus that spreads between people and the only way to make it go away permanently is to lock us all all away permanently. that's not compatible with life. something i will never forget is walking around times square in six months ago, about six months ago, and walking around new york city and it was deserted. it was if a neutron bomb had gone off. six months ago, and even then that response didn't make sense but we are six months on and we know if you believe in w.h.o. and 750 million people have been infected with this, that means 199 out of a thousand p

sweden didn't shut down its entire economy. so what happened to sweden in the end? sweden has a population of more than 10 million people. and yet m the country averages barely 200 cases a day. that's been true for the past few weeks, all for the month of september. that's far better than say in spain, which is reporting about 12,000 new cases a day. last month, a little over 1% of the coronavirus tests administered in sweden came back positive. compare that to 7% in northwest england. their new cases is lower than the neighboring denmark or the netherlands. here's what's sweden looks like now. >>e it looks like the world we lost. cafes and restaurants fall, people relaxed, no face masks, no panic.le sweden kept most of its schools and businesses open.es they asked people to socially distance. half of the sweden's live alone anyway. they imposed few other rules besides banning large gatherings. buses, trains, well, look at this. not a face mask insight. sweden's biggest hospital, the intensive care unit, overwhelmed in the spring is deserted. >> tucker: it looks lik

crime is also a big issue here in sweden. in cities, suburbs like this one, where almost everyone has an immigrant background. they've been high profile shootings in recent years, and that's led increasing numbers of swedes to vote for anti—immigration parties, even though police say most of the crimes are carried out by gangs and people who've grown up here, not new arrivals. and lots of locals say they do feel safe even if they've lost friends in the violence like this 16—year—old. normal people don't have to be scared about that. if you are not involved in a gang, you don't have to be scared for nothing. if you are involved and you better run. how easy is it to.. to be successful, if you come from a place like this to to have a career, education? either you play football or you do music. there is a strong push to improve life with a new police station and projects to help more people into work here and other segregated neighborhoods. it's a big challenge to enter the job market in sweden. if you don't have a network

this danish epidemiologist argues sweden understood this. if the lockdown would be too much, you need to look at this super spreader and limit them and that is basically what sweden did. the most visible, the only really intervention that they did was the max carriage was 50. so that‘s sweden‘s approach. and assess it we need to look at how the numbers compare. i‘m going to focus on three measures. first, sweden‘s total deaths per capita is the 15th highest in the world — higher than most major european nations. second, when it come total number of cases per capita, both norway and the uk have lower figures than sweden. but spain and france have higher. and third, the infection rate. sweden has so far avoided an autumn surge — but its infection rate is higher than norway and germany — and it‘s rising. this all feels a long way from the success story some would describe. and there are other issues too. some critics argue the whole thing is actually a misjudged plan to achieve herd immunity — something that‘s strongly denie

sweden is not. or at least not yet. in sweden's biggest hospital, the intensive care unit, overwhelmed in the spring, is deserted from today, nursing homes will allow visitors for the first time in months but not everyone is happy in a country with few restrictions or masks. >> they don't take any cares they don't bother. >> reporter: it worries you? >> yes, it worries me, and it makes me angry >> reporter: there have been small protests, even some americans are weary. >> everybody feels fairly secure, but they might be getting a little overconfident right now. >> reporter: cases of covid are creeping up. sweden's high spring death toll, higher than its neighbors, could return but most swedes are confident their way works. a pariah state to some, a paragon to others, and an outlier for sure and today's move, opening up those nursing homes to visitors, is a big risk because more than half of all sweden's covid-19 deaths were from nursing homes indeed, sweden's death rate, as a result of that, is pretty much the same as t

oh yeah absolutely i think sweden is certainly of that he able. to compare at this point stages when we also have these stages off the front of me but certainly this is not an approach that will be followed because for instance at the moment if the baths are really low 'd that is probably proportionally it will be an inspection that we are seeing in other countries i mean we are in the 2nd of a we are not having as many that's as we have seen in the 1st one is primarily because of better preparedness at this moment so i think it is not your call to move forward because we don't really know what's going to happen tomorrow in this we do sports factor and so although certainly the swedish perspective is a very good very able to compare between but i think it is too early to really cold that they have. adopted the right approach and don't make there was a very interesting report published in the lancet journal about a man who got reinfected with kobe on his symptoms were where much wrong worse the 2nd time around this this in a way undermine the whole

oh yeah absolutely i think sweden is certainly a valuable computer stages off the front of me i think it is not your call to move forward because we don't really know what's going to happen tomorrow in the swedish sports factor so although certainly the swedish perspective is a very good very able to compare between but i think it is too early to call that they have. adopted right approach as the w.h.o. has pointed out lockdowns are incredibly damaging each other ways and we and want government to keep growing with these balancing the damage from lockdowns with with the damage from not looking down and they can't win whichever decision they make their own their price is to be paid and it's extremely difficult to know which course of action is the right $1.00 and will probably only know in retrospect the government's count to everything if people i suppose are aware of the risk should they be allowed to go wired to expose themselves to potential infection and take their chances and perhaps get that immunity level off well the real issue is this is the inequality lockdowns are showing a

sweden's approach has relied on thousands of third rouble people shielding and sweden acknowledges it failed to properly protect care homes at the start of the pandemic. at the man who divides sweden's approach thinks it will work in the long—term. translation: we have always had the same recommendations and general advice. i think it creates a sense of security and a long—term perspective and is easier to follow. at the heart of sweden's approaches the idea of the social contract, it requires trust between people and national decision—makers. there is nothing to show sweden is definitely getting it right, but the emphasis on trust and consensus fields releva nt as on trust and consensus fields relevant as european governments once again change the rules by which people are living. the uk retailerjohn lewis is set for a big shake up. the 91 year—old partnership, which includes the supermarket waitrose, has seen a slump in profits and has been forced to cancel the staff bonus for the first time since 1953. as more shoppers moved online during the pandemic, john lewis is now loo

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emergency and germany and italy have introduced a number of new measures to reduce infection rates even sweden which has been praised by some for not having a lockdown is preparing to implement strict new rules as coronavirus cases rise in that country taking things to a level that most are trying to avoid wales is imposing a complete lockdown for 2 weeks. this fall you brick is the shortest we can make it but that means that it will have to be sharp and deep in order to have the impact we needed to have on the value of us in other posts a degree there is grim news iran has broken single day record of digressed deaths with 337 patients dying on monday and was relatively stable africa see more cases the latest so that's what this minister of health and his wife have tested positive for 290 the united states india and brazil i mean the worst affected countries in the world for the best and i watch my little. markets are reacting on this monday ahead of a looming deadline for a u.s. stimulus deal over the weekend house speaker nancy pelosi set a tuesday deadline in a letter to house democrats opp

and are 29% higher in sweden. a country which did essentially nothing to stop the spread of the virus. italy which was devastated in the spring by covid-19. now since june 7th, the covid-19 death rate is at 3.1 per 100,000 people in italy. the united states is at 27.2 per 100,000 people. as for president trump's much vaunted vaccine, studies have been put on pause which are common in drug trials. they are expected. it is how they're supposed to work. they eliminate how ludicrous and dangerous the false claims of a vaccine by november or election day or by the end of the year really are. roughly 220,000 americans are dead from covid-19. about 1,000 americans continue to die each day from the disease. u.s. surpassed 8 million cases. multiple americans are confirmed to have been diagnosed with covid-19 twice. in the netherlands, a woman who beat the disease died after being reinfected. numbers continue to rise at record rates at more than half the states across the country and the midwest and mountain states with rec

lower in their death rate than the united states is and what's interesting about sweden is that they are not seen an uptick in deaths so they have had a resurgence of some cases but in terms of actual deaths their numbers have almost flat lined and if you look at the numbers from month to month they are down almost double digit not double digits excuse me it's all. 100 percent drop months and months in terms of deaths until they got to the point they're up they have fared much better than all their neighbors in europe and we do know they were right and they have they have protected also the elderly and those that are more vulnerable to it was. just a you might expect there is obviously some push back on this one a group has written a counter piece in the lancet saying prolonged isolation of largest swaths of the population is practically impossible and highly unethical of this group calling their response john snow memorandum named after the father of modern epidemiology is it on that the goal to achieve in unity through natural infection and would it come to an undue cost to some of

to receive these ideas from cognition from sweden it's a great discovery and not very happy to be one of the 5 years. of cease discovery for. the 2 scientists figured out how bacteria defend themselves against invading viruses in the process they discovered that this natural mechanism can be used as a tool to modify d.n.a. . the result was the crisper cast in genomes that there's. a simple quick and precise tool to change the genome. here's how it works the sensors are actually a protein which is given a kind of search term for example e.g. seen in this simplified model our d.n.a. is made up of lots of different combinations of codes like these the says are proteins scans a copy of the d.n.a. and when it's very in the search word says are activated and they cut the section i . then a different section of d.n.a. can be inserted. what i think is is what is the most interesting and fascinating about this discovery is that you you dig into the nature and you try to understand that trying to make his arms over life and you and decipher and make that you can really use and harness for the c

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that is what sweden did basically. the only real intervention they did was to say max gatherings were 50, and that could delimited a little bit more. but making a lockdown where we only go home, that is too much. now we know so much about the disease, it is overreacting. but we should be careful when we are in public space. ros: just so i understand clearly, you seem to be sayg that having looked at this virus for over six months, now you think sweden got it right? >> yeah, basically, except they didn't do it right in the beginning, but basically they got it right. that is the main message. kind of what they have done since april, has basically been right. they didn't do right i mark. ros: for more on covid-19, you can find it on the bbc new website. next on "outside source," we switched to afghanistan, the u.s. military carrying out airstrikes against taliban in response to clashes between the taliban and government forces in the capital of helmand province. has been the days of fighting. these images show civilian fl

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to receive these ideas from cognition from sweden since a great discovery had not very happy to be one of the 5 years. of cease the discovery. the 2 scientists figured out why bacteria defend themselves against invading viruses in the process they discovered that this natural mechanism can be used as a tool to modify d.n.a. . the result was the crisper kasra in genomes that there's. a simple quick and precise tool to change the genome. here's how it works the sensors are actually a protein which is given a kind of search term for example e.g. seen in this simplified model our d.n.a. is made up of lots of different combinations of codes like these the says are protein scans a copy of the d.n.a. and when it's found the search word says are activated and they cut the section i. then a different section of d.n.a. can be inserted. what i think is is what is the most interesting and fascinating about this discovery is that you you dig into the nature and you try to understand that trying to make his arms over life and you and decipher that you can really use and harness for the purpose of. t

i think we can do better than sweden. >> i'm glad you brought up sweden, because there's some who say swooend lane effective. they took a much more open approach than their neighbors next door. they have higher rates. one of the arguments that the children are not generally devastated in terms of their own health but as carriers who could carry it to their grnd parents, what about their lifes? >> first, there's a lot of evidence that children are ineffective spreaders of the disease. overwhelming scientific evidence. the united states is unique in keeping schools closed. as far as like passing it on to grandparents, i think that's an important conversation. something that's hard address. you can be -- you have to be creative about it. depends on the local conditions that you face. for instance, some ideas might include if you're working in a workplace where you can use disability laws to provide accommodations so that you don't have to the teach -- or you like to have to get exposed in person. you -- when there's someone that's symptomatic in your house or community is high ruck provi

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scientists from sweden and germany have found that after a person's age, possessing the gene was the biggest risk factor for coronavirus, with far greater likelihood of hospitalisation and being placed on a ventilator. professor sva nte paabo, who is director of the max planck institute for evolutionary anthropology in germany, has led the study. he explained to me what the

that is what sweden did. the only really intervention they did was to say that max gatherings were 50. that‘s sweden‘s approach. and how do we assess it? we need to look at how the numbers compare. sweden‘s total deaths per capita is higher sweden‘s total deaths than most european nations. second, when it comes to the total cases per capita, both norway and the uk have lower figures than sweden, but spain and france have higher. third, sweden has so far avoided, so far, an autumn surge, its infection rate is higher than norway and germany and rising. it is not a clear cut success story. there are other issues. some critics argue it is all a misjudged plan to achieve herd immunity, something that is strongly denied. sweden‘s approach has relied on thousands of vulnerable people shielding and sweden acknowledges it failed to properly protect care homes at the start of the pandemic. but the man who divides sweden‘s approach thinks it will work in the long—term. translation: in parts we have always

one of the things about sweden, sweden seems to have done so well but then the sweden by comparison to this country is so much emptier come if you have more people come falls or have they been more nazi and gone out i had a good time, who knows why? —— more nazi. there is no doubt that a great part of the north is having a really rough time and a tier 2 or tier 3. —— more naughty. and they want to say what is going to be the test. how do we ever get out of this? and also what will we do about a pathway to leveling up when we do emerge out of this pandemic which we all say we will. next year, mid of next year sometime. and then they are complaining quite loudly and saying we have to give all of the people who lent us their votes a reason for sticking with us. just very quickly to pick up on the point you set about sweden, so far there has been no evidence they are moving towards the herd immunity. that they were hoping for. just to make sure that we put that clearly. but kezia, pick up we put that clearly. but kezia, pick up on the front page if you will come the redwall story.

it didn't work in sweden. and yet it seems like -- >> right. >> and yet it seems like the white house is continuing to warm up to this idea of herd immunity. what do you make of this? >> yes, herd immunity, sweden as you mentioned talked about it. uk, if you remember, yasmin, flirted with that idea. and it was quickly diminished. because as you said in that graphic, people have to -- to the community, as a recap, herd immunity really references that a significant number of people in a population would have to get the virus in order to get, quote, get immunity. along with that comes, yasmin, death and as you saw on the graph, more infections. herd immunity as a concept for a country does not work. leads to higher cases and higher deaths and irresponsible thinking. >> dr. kavita patel, thank you. my mom as dr. patel knows is currently battling coronavirus, overseas. she's doing well. don't worry, she's doing stable, dr. patel, because she's been my guiding light and has allowed me to text her constantly when i k

in our international comparison parchin a female executive has less than half the figures we see in sweden and the u.s. and europe in the ongoing crisis it got even worse and they have lost female executives and recruited new men. seems women at the top are quite good indicator fall the ability of companies to adapt to change to a changing world that's a very bad sign for corporate germany and we the crisis shows that the understanding off leaks leadership and the advantages of mixed leadership isn't very deeply rooted in term and yet oh it looks like it's the 1st thing to be abandoned so in the crisis in this crisis is the reflex of reaching for the tried and trusted not understandable for companies that are struggling to survive it is that it is not smart is like a very sharks are looking reflex they have understand that they have to build a leadership that last even for the future would there be enough of the mountains the truth from it is yes of course. now there are economists that say that homogenous teams they do have advantages languages codes of conduct communication all of these

recognition from sweden i mean it sounds surreal that i says but i could not believe it even though i knew that it would happen one day but when it happens then crashed today just it and realize that it has happened. well for more i'm joined by they operate from the science welcome where tell us more about this year's winners did it come a surprise well this year it didn't come as a surprise we've been waiting for this for a long time because it's really a groundbreaking research that even though they did their findings were only published 8 years ago which is nothing compared to the decades that that it needs normally that scientists are rewarded that this prize. budget was such a grown breaking research that we waited for it and it's also really great symbol i think because it's the 1st time that actually 2 women are the winners of the nobel prize together. absolutely a total of about the actual discovers well they discovered mechanisms which would with which you can rewrite the code of life like rewrite our d.n.a. so it's quite basic and the thing is the crucial thing is that it's

just on the eldest son he works in sweden but he stuck at home because of a pandemic. he's the one wearing a baseball cap. his mother is sad because he's keen to leave again she can't understand why what's more the youngest son wants to go to sweden to. osun lama says the government has to realize that more and more people will leave unless things improve one issue is the infrastructure the roads in the mountains are poor government he says should give help fears there's still only a core the home record tradition is all well and good but what should we do if we can't sell what we make. the nearest areas 50 kilometers away and there are no government guarantees we get no government support. so it's hard to maintain tradition. on the course of steel. it's often easier to make money of broadband to continue farming here. the old farm buildings are still standing but the nokia family has now built a modern house mainly financed with money in sweden. the area might be beautiful but without jobs or prospects young people will continue to go away far away. there's a similar

you know sweden is a very interesting piece that will be looked at for her for a year isn't and decades to understand what happened there is social distancing at the beginning there was sort of a recommendation to the public to stay away from each other there were a lot of deaths at the beginning very unfortunately because a lot of their vulnerable older people people in nursing homes died and whether there is more immunity in the population is being speculated i think that's likely true they do stay away from each other in general but you're right things are much more normal in sweden they took a different strategy they are in a different place but it was at high expense of the beginning if an interview you said how much virus your breathing is probably one of the most important determinant of how sick you get do you still stand by them as you know we and others have been looking at that question of the viral dose or the viral inoculation the amount that you get it is proportional to how sick you get and we've not only been looking at this with part of virus this is actually been shown

-- sweden. i think the lockdown is too much to do. people get tired and they lose respect and 40 lockdown will be too much. you will need to look at this super spreader and limit them and that's basically what sweden did. the most, the only really intervention may be to say that the mx was 50 and of course that was more without damaging our life but making a left on where we only go home that, i think it is too much. now we know so much about the disease it's overwhelming. we should be able to do it but we should be careful when we are in a public space. you seem to be saying that having looked at this virus for over six months now you think sweden got it right? i think sweden got it basically right he did not do it right in the beginning but basically they got it right. cn has basically kind of what they have done since april that has basically been right, they did not do right in march. thank you forjoining us. lead artist —— lead author on the research the very nature of the way that the virus transmits. much more on covid—19