this is the base of the republican party. so if you're ted cruz or your nikki ately, you don't want to. you don't want to say that it was stolen because you want them to support you. so joe, when you were in last year, that if the republican party did not stand up to trump, they would be wiped out and 2020, trumpets lost, but the party actually did not do that poorly. do you think it would have been better for the health and future of the republican party? had they been wiped out at the polls? yet it's a great question. it's a great record show. trump, joe biden. he's our next president. donald trump, when as well though, he got more of his people out, it was an overwhelming repudiation of trump. this i'm richelle, i really believe donald trump made one per president. again, 2024 no matter what he's going to keep its face on our phones and honored screens for the next 4 years. he's going to freeze the republican party. so in a way it would have been much better for the republican party if it had been an overwhelming repudiati

that next segment, if we can win it, allows us to continue to fight within the republican party. if we cannot, i think we will go on as part of this broad coalition thatjoe biden has built and will hopefully make that a successful, unifying administration that delivers real result to the american people and we will go forward like that and see what our options are but i think... yeah? just on that, joe biden's one of his talents is that he has got a history of working across the aisle in american politics. how realistic do you think, over the next four yea rs, think, over the next four years, that that cross—party cooperation could actually be? it is going to be a challenge. i think it will be a challenge but i would note a couple of things. joe biden ran a unifying primary campaign, so evenin unifying primary campaign, so even in this time of such great division in america, during his primary season, his primary campaign, he was calling republicans and independents to join him, tojoin democrats to protect american democracy and move our country forward. it is very ha rd to mov

updated version of the reagan version of the republican party george w. bush unlike his father was seen by conservatives as a genuine conservative, he walked the walk, talk the talk better, conservatives believed he was one of them in a way they never thought his father was, he seemed generally antiabortion, he seemed he was seen as a evangelical christian to them. he came from texas, he really was from texas, not really from connecticut. all of those things spoke to who he really was to conservatives and they embraced him and interestingly, i think one of the things i came to appreciate george w. bush a little bit more in retrospect because he came into office wanting to basically update the conservative message, compassionate conservativism was not just a catchphrase, was more than that, it was an idea that conservatives need to not be an ivory tower with philosophies they got out of the national review, we need to be connected with people more in the conservatives have lost their way because they lost their connection with people so we have to worry ab

in the democratic party, there are differences in the republican party on foreign policy. joe biden is going to have to navigate this very carefully. but i think based on his experience, based on people who know him, both international leaders and leaders here in this country, and in his own party, they know who he is. they know what he represents. they know his history. as long as he deals with everybody directly and honestly, he listens to everybody, listens to bernie sanders, listens to everybody, then he is president. he has got to decide. he has to make the decisions. he is 20 have to do what he thinks is the right thing for this country. and i know he will do that. it is not always easy. the world is different, certainly than it was 12 years ago when joe and barack obama became the president and vice president. some problems are still the same, and they are worse. i think the middle east is in more chaos. other parts of the world, a little better maybe. north korea. china has risen over the last 12 years. so it is going to take, i think, a new evaluation, a new revie

the republican party has chastised the democrats for being the party of identity politics. the greatest purveyor of identity politics is the republican party. it is just white identity so they don't recognize it, but that is what is going on. same as california, the republican party is 85% white. the state is 35% white. it is not hard to see the correlation, what is happening here. the issues republicans talk about are very strongly infused with whites who fear economic collapse, blaming other people who are -- for what they believe is the demise of america. they think the loss of trump in this campaign is perhaps the end of the beginning. we have a 20 year demographic fight to make sure that this social problem does not destroy the democratic institutions. >> we are going to go to our first question from the audience. we know there was a significant increase in participation among young latino voters. the was a 340% increase in early voting turnout among the segment. what is the story here? how do we speak to them? ,s the future of the country traditionally a progressive a

comes to the republican party. ron christie was formerly a legal adviser to george w bush. what pressure does this put on mitch mcconnell? i think it puts enormous pressure on the senate majority leader. george w bush was our last elected republican president, and when i was talking about this yesterday, cathy kay said, what would it take to get president trump to recognise it is time to get off the stage, to cede to the ground and concede this election because mike george w bush sent a very warm, gracious statement to the president elect, but he also congratulated president trump, and i think that coupled with jared kushner, who was on nbc this morning, i think the current occupant of the office recognises perhaps it is time for him to step away. mitch mcconnell will come under increasing pressure to make a public statement to say, mr president, the american people have spoken loudly and it is time to transition to the 46th president of the united states. we heard from mitt romney, saying he is the gorilla in the

and there can be no survivors in the republican party. this is the rhetoric you would expect from a party that has taken a hard left. this is communist-type rhetoric. they are saying all 72 million people who supported trump are irredeemable and deplorable and anything you do to them is okay. they are talking about taking people's jobs. they want a data base that says this person supported donald trump for president. and they shouldn't have a job. we are seeing them edge closer and closer to what we have been talking about for the past four years. this is not your mother and father's democrat party. they are hateful, angry, and seek to have revenge because they had they feel power taken from them. not because of white supremacy or racism. or misogyny. it's because of their own failures. the failures of barack obama when america believed in his vision of unity. fool america once, shame on you, but you are not going to fool us twice. if you need information on me to put into your communist data base, call me and let me know. jesse: the comm

colleagues as a rhino republican name on and i was, i was disloyal to the republican party. i used to say, we take an oath of office to the constitution. we don't take an oath of office to a political party or a president or anybody else, just the constitution. and as long as you have that privilege of serving this country and some capacity in elective office, your focus, your northstar should be what you think is the right thing to do for your country. obviously who you represent your state. but for your country. and i never got confused about that again. didn't mean i was any better than anybody else where i was right all the time. but i think we've lost some of that and i think we lost over the years. i don't think it was just president trump. i think he put a fine point on it the last 4 years, but this idea of you got to be all republican or all democrat and support everything the democrat says, or their vote and say, or you're not a good party member is nonsense. we've never been that way. there's no corner on the market on good ideas or honesty or the right thing by on

so republican party has got some real soul searching to do. and i think they'll have to go through that. i hope they'll go through that. i hope they're right. they'll bring in some other voices to take to take a look, but that's the only way you can understand what went wrong and what you have to do to get it right. and what's where, where's the future going? right. what a final question secretary hagel, i know that you have probably already written a letter to president elect biden. i know that preselect biden will if he hasn't already reached out to you by phone and talk to you, i just, i just know that to be true. what is that pop piece of advice you would offer a president like joe biden, coming into this role at this time in history. what's the most important thing? what's the north star? he has to have? well, i would start with the north star, which in all my time around joe biden, and i know anyone who worked with him in different capacities for 25 years. i've been all over the world, wouldn't been situations where leaders with him. he'

the republican party has got to decide if they are the party of trump or the party of lincoln. they cannot be both. jennifer horn is a republican who co—founded the lincoln project, an organisation dedicated to defeating donald trump and his brand of populist government. 0ur party system is broken. it does not serve the voters, it has become only about holding onto power and not at all about public service. and the republicans should be getting that message. they paid a price in this election. democratjoe biden may have won the popular vote in a record turnout, but president trump also attracted millions of new supporters, such as karlyn borysenko. the evolution that the gop, the republican party, has undergone under trump is incredibly good. she left the democratic party in march after political tensions within her knitting circle and is now an active trump campaigner. he has effectively created a third party in this country, a party that is about populism, that is about opportunity for everyone and, frankly, a lot of the old—school neocons, or rinos, they don‘t like tha

the republican party has got to look out for the country and for the party at the same time. not donald trump. >> do you think there are republicans out there, people who might be inclined to vote republican in the georgia election or even just people who want there to be a check on joe biden and the democrats who are watching the spectacle and thinking, god, the republican party with the exception of john bolt owon and pat toomey and mi romney are a bunch of cowards, i don't think any part of that. >> i don't think we are a bunch of cowhers but i think it's a character test why people have to speak up. the longer trump rambles through our electoral system causing damage without public opposition the more the democrats are going to say that it is a republican party characteristic. people don't have to say what trump is doing is outrageous. just say it's wrong. i'll be satisfied with that. but until people hear that, i think they will continue to be deterred from coming back to the republican party. i think we can hold the trump voters by explaining to them that actually you c

. >> i serious reassessment of the republican party is the republican party the vehicle? >> it might be. right now the republican party is divided. the republican leadership plays nice with drop because a look at polls and to develop based is 96% approving of trump. they are waiting for trump to go away and think they can go back to the old playbook consensus. i guess which i have -- it's not produce any good in 2020, 2024, into 2020. it doesn't work for these times. >> setting aside, you have the republican party that is the vehicle, the consensus. parties change but you have made a couple of points about the intellectual grounds of that coalition behind it, the reagan coalition of the avs or the conservative movement today, libertarianism, traditionalism or social conservatism. how do you see those things -- use them in a different way. they need to operate differently, the intellectual coalition behind the party. >> the oldest and we look at the reagan coalition was foreign policy hawks, the economic libertarians. let's take that in reverse order. the republican party

not democrat party it's the democratic party i wouldn't call the republican party that republican party so i think we want to talk about tamping down some of the rhetoric we should also be respectful with respect to to the party the democratic party has always been diverse it is extraordinarily diverse even in this election cycle we saw that diversity unexplained display again so of course there are going to be parts of the party that don't always agree with each other that happens in both parties so i want to just point that out but it's a party that's the 1st racially it's a party that the various religiously sexual orientation gender all of those things and that's to me what makes the party great because that's reflective of america at the same time in terms of the rhetoric that that trump is offered about god's earth and that's and that you know rhetoric is one thing actions are another thing and in our country if the back suffering we had 200 we had 240000 people who are dead because of a pandemic that's raging and so it's it's one thing to say certain things but it's another thing

there is a significant chunk of the republican party who are going to take a look at what donald trump did of last 4 years and go you know what it works we're only losing this election at the moment by hundreds of thousands of votes that all people buy into his philosophy as a republican strategist that must particular one who doesn't like donald trump tickly that must skate yes you know like i said earlier i had my career at a time where the party was very different these past 4 years have been in 3 may difficult for me because i was the 1st ever republican national convention delegate to speak out against the now president and i suffered the consequences back in 2016 far before a great many people were really if figured out who donald trump was and how he would operate along with his people and how they operate i thought it was very mafia like un-american they were trying to silence dissidents those of us who didn't agree with this president nomination and so in seeing that back then and seeing what's come forth from the party since then i remain in a place of profound confusion of h

i think those policies are great for the republican party. do you? mr kingston, do you think america was a healthy body politic when donald trump was in the white house? with the lowest unemployment levels ever? yes, i think in terms of growth and wages, yes. i think in securing our borders, yes. but i think that the donald trump doctrine of peace — we kept north korea at bay — did not get involved in syria, moving the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. those things are good. 0ur energy independence. but i think all those things... in short, what you're saying is donald trump may be taken out of the white house eventually, he may have to leave the white house eventually, but he is in no way leaving his domination of the republican party? i think his philosophies, the policies that he implemented are good for america. and i think that they are going to be good for the republican party. and i would say this — george bush looked really good two years into the 0bama administration. and ifjoe biden becomes the president, we'll see how donald trump

schism there is the party of trump and there is the party of the traditional republicans like george w. bush and his father herbert walker bush who tend to be a little bit more center more aligned with democrats and what the feeling is among those who support donald trump top republicans like lindsey graham the top senator one of the top senators as well as ted cruz is that the media does not get to decide who the president of the united states is it's very important to note that while we're talking about joe biden this president elect he is projected as president elect none of this has been certified or official and that is what those who support donald trump are trying to underscore now the argument coming from the other side is that even if all of these cases of alleged fraud are investigated that will no way change the outcome once it becomes official but still this is something that many in the united states millions of americans who support donald trump watch investigated they say there are increasing allegations of affidavits that are coming forward of people that have deserve

same as california, the republican party is 85% white. it is not hard to see the correlation, what is happening here. republicans are very strongly feared with whites who economic collapse, blaming other people who are -- other people for what they believe is the demise of america. they think the loss of trump in this campaign is perhaps the end of the beginning. we have a 20 year demographic fight to make sure that this social problem does not to try the democratic institutions. >> we are going to go to our first question from the audience. there was a significant increase in participation among young latino voters. the was a 330% increase in early voting turnout among the segment. what is the story here? >> thank you for the question. i think reaching them where they are at, breaching them through the mediums that they use, social media, tiktok, all the platforms that they engage in, and through the things that they like. i think that is the most effective way. partnerships with influencers, from all segments of society, whether it be a

you left the republican party? >> i haven't left yet, they can drag me off the screen. i want to hold them up the air and show them they are not who hey claim to be. i think the republican party is a malicious form of white grievance identity politics. i think it is going to be around for another couple of decades. >> i have invited several republicans to join this conversation and they either refused to or were not available. but we did send out several invitations and that is why they are not joining us in this conversation because none of them were either available or accepted the invitation. i know that you're a democrat running in a red state. and you got 30% of the vote which is pretty good. you're in second place. how does a young latino democrat run in a state like that? what kind of messaging did you ave? >> there we go. absolutely, without a doubt, i was born and raised in napa. there so many parts of my background that were diverse, being a member of the shoshone ribe in idaho. i'm a veteran. i grew up i

going to try to freeze the republican party and own it. this pathological need to be in the limelight. he has to be the center of attention, even if it's negative. he has to be there. i imagine he will try to freeze for 2024. maybe he will do it on inauguration day. he's going to continue to tweet from the outside. he will feed his supporters the stuff they like, conspiracy theories. he's going to do a lot of work on the right wing ecosystem, maybe even supports a media outlets other than fox news. he's going to make his presence felt. he's got a lot of supporters. can they break away from that? with theave the people wisdom and the skill and the courage to go in a different direction? i don't know. the last five years have not been hopeful because the republican party has been supplicant to trump. they never really stood up to him. sanford,ey, mark justin amash. that's about it. everybody else has collapsed before trump. our guest wehner is on watchmen journal. we appreciate you joining us. he is at the public-policy pender. we should men

republican party. is there a sense of the white house that republicans have not rallied to the presidents offence as vociferously as he would like them to do? i think they are is clearly some anger in the white house towards members of the republican party for not being active enough in defending donald trump and in echoing his allegations of widespread voter fraud. i think you see from the republican leadership from mitch mcconnell on down that they've been taking a distance from the administration right now. if you look at presidents that the trump campaign have been holding in the states while they've been announcing these legal challenges, they have been run by people like rudy giuliani donald trumps personal lawyer. the director of national intelligence and the us ambassador to germany and las vegas was up these are not republican office holders these are donald trump loyalists that have been with them from a very long time that also do not have political careers to defend conceivably without dona

and the republican party is largely silent. and leaders like ted cruz, lindsey graham, others going on other networks and really inflaming this chaos and calling for this kind of reaction. i think by and large, the american people have moved on from this race. we saw polls last week that showed only 3% of americans believe that donald trump actually won this race. they're ready to move on and deal with the very big problems in front of us. deal with covid. deal with 20 million people unemployed. but this president is not giving up power quickly or easily. and it really is putting the biden transition and all americans at risk on so many levels. >> jennifer, we know that when violence is breaking out in kenosha, wisconsin, trump appeared to be sympathetic toward kyle rittenhouse. he is accused of shooting protesters there in wisconsin. we see no mention of the proud boys, calling out the proud boys on the president's twitter. do you feel the extremist groups feel more emboldened than ever? >> my fear is that, the republican part

how is the republican party been reacting to those claims. well it's interesting you ask that because there have been a few congratulations let's say trickling in for the president elect joe biden and the vice president elect come away harris but the rest of the republican party has been silent in the silence has been resoundingly and this is very interesting to watch because these are supporters of president trump who are weighing up very carefully how they decide to respond to the news that joe biden is now the president elect because they're well aware of the fact that president trump himself has not accepted this result that he's going to continue to challenge it and it is a question of whether they will seek to break with the president as they have been afraid to do over the last 4 years because of his massive support among the republican party and because the president himself has lashed back at anyway. when the party who hasn't shown him complete loyalty so it's going to be very interesting to see what the senate majority leader mitch

party joe biden's been around for a long time unfortunately his closest friend in the republican party john mccain is dead and a lot of his of that old guard if not deceased is gone the republican party has really become the party of donald trump in the last several years. you know filtering out these so-called moderate or or or centrist republicans and that's going to very hard for joe biden to find his way back to that kind of sense of compromise that kind that sense of statesmanship the sense of doing what's best for the country and not just for the party and also we should note it's not just his work that has work cut out for him for working with republicans democrats are a very feisty party democrats range everything from century centrist democrats to believe in many republican issues like gun rights like limits on abortion skeptical about environmental or climate change policy spending the debt it's those kinds of things and very progressive liberal democrats who are absolutely want to see large spending on climate change tax cuts for the lower income americans that will of cours

party that i was expecting you know a different result and that the republican party might gravitate more it's to more to its traditional center and moderate republicans would take a stand and speak out this is the scenario that we have right now that i was you know that we did predict in some in some ways but that i was most concerned about in that you really it's so close to call that you really don't know entirely how different actors in the republican party are going to respond to this going off of what richard said depending is it is he going to be a winner or loser so then talk with us about the structures talk with us about the state of democracy because of course there are supposed to be checks and balances that are that are in the system there are systems in place that are you know in place in order to deal with this right now how is democracy right now in america is it alive and well you know it's not quite clearly not alive and well i mean there's so many there have been so many. deviations from foundations of democracy that we've seen in the last 4 years but most clearly

at this guy has redefined the republican party. he has made the republican party a workingman's party. i was on your show during the rnc convention, it was beautiful. the dnc was a nightmare, and we have black elitists like a joy reid and charles blow, who are upset that black americans, and people of color are drifting to the republican party. it lets be very clear, how could trump be a racist when minorities are voting for him? this is why the democrats are in chatters, because they are disappointed, they are angry. people like myself, herschel walker, burgess owens, we are -- we found a permanent home within the republican party. i want to be very clear to all of the republicans, keep the trump playbook. that's what drove me to the republican party. i feel very comfortable. at the democratic party has lost the black vote, they can play the race card because people of color have now joined the republican party. >> sean: vernon, i look at this, i like that party. i'm a former dishwasher and busboy and bart tender and contractor. i

as you know, and you know it in a democratic party, there are differences in the republican party on foreign policy. joe biden's going to have to navigate this very carefully. but i think based on his experience, based on people who know and both international leaders, both leaders here in this country and in his own party, they know who he is. they know what he represents. they know his history and i think is long as he deals with everybody directly. and honestly, he listens to everybody, listens them, bernie sanders, us and everybody. then he, then he's president. he's got to decide he has to make the decisions. he's going to have to do what he thinks is the right thing for this country. and i know i know he'll do that. it's not always, it's not always easy. the world is, is different. certainly then was 12 years ago when joe and barack obama became the president and vice president, some problems are still the same and they're worse. i think the middle east is in more chaos. other parts of the world a little better. maybe north korea. china has risen over the last 12 years, so it's

will the republican party dump truck, let's get to the bottom line. even though he was voted out of the white house, most agree that donald trump and trump is and are not going away. the vote was close, the senate is still republican controlled, and republican members of congress defeated democrats all over the country. so even though he lost the election, trump is still the major force driving his base and his party. what does it mean for the future of republicans over the next few years? what lessons is the party learning from this election? and how would they deal with the incoming democratic administration led by joe biden. and camila harris. joining me is former senator chuck hagel, who has served this defense secretary in the obama administration. he was a conservative senator from nebraska and a lifelong republican, well known as one of america's lead bipartisan voices. thank you so much for joining us today. you're part of a group called the national council on election integrity. we've just had this major election more americans voted in this

david, what is the future of the republican party now? and i want you to answer this specific question, which i see lots of kind of interesting projects, some people like paul ryan want to return it to a more economic libertarian roots. others want it to be more kind of compassionate conservatism that george w. bush talked about. these are think tankers in washington. down there where people actually vote, they seem to love trump and they love what trump stands for. how are you going to solve that problem? >> yeah, i live in the middle of a deep red precinct and a deep red state that voted trump. but i am going to say this, having talked to friends and neighbors and family members about trump for years now. it's up for grabs. i mean, it really is up for grabs. first, because trumpism wasn't a coherent political ideology. it was all over the place. the biggest legislative accomplishment was a paul ryan tax cut, biggest executive accomplishment was pushing through a bunch of supreme court and lower ski resort u court justices who are not li

but by the republican party, large chunks of the republican party, it's not the same in any way, but there was a kind but there was a kind of parallel movement after george w bush — the feeling that we have been down that road and it didn't really work out for us. and so i think we will feel the same, i think we will find the same after this with donald trump. that "yeah, you know, that was a special time." he has — he will — and i mean, i fully agree with what bronwen says. he's changed the goalposts. it's not going to be easy for a democrat to come in and say, "well, we shouldn't be so tough on china. after all, they have got their problems." "you know, if germany doesn't spend too much on its defence, well, you know, they've got other things to spend their money on." it's not going to be like that. he's going to have to follow some, at least, the trump lines. we will come onto the international front in a moment in a bit more detail, butjohn, i want to ask you, we have seen you over the years filming with a number of international dictators or authoritarian regimes. some peo

niall, let me ask you about the republican party. this is why i would persist in saying that the country is polarized. you have now by the latest polls 77% of the republican party that believes that this election was fraudulent and joe biden stole it. you have a situation where donald trump is without any question the dominant figure in the republican party, even after having lost an election, which seems to me very unusual. so in that context, why is it, in your view, if not for this, you know, rather extreme existential polarization, why are republicans not, you know, acknowledging the results of the election from mitch mcconnell down to, as i say, rank and file republicans who overwhelmingly think this was a stolen election? >> well, let's remember, fareed, many democrats felt that way not only about the 2016 election, but about the 2000 election. so it's not like it's the first time that the losers have said the election was stolen. democrats spent four years trying to find evidence that vladimir putin was responsible for donald

how do you feel about the republican party now? it's very different than the republican party, even john mccain 12 years ago. so there's a battle over what republican party principles are. but i guess you could go to the platform to clarify that battle where you could, if there were a platform, what an extraordinary thing i know this is of my way, but how can you actually say we're not going to have a platform, we're not going to tell people what we stand for other than the old reelection of this person. remarkably, the most consistent aspect of trump's tumultuous presidency may have been the steadfastness of his base. most president's approval ratings fluctuate throughout their administration, but trumps remained right around 40 percent. it's a energise block that could impact the elections for years to come. i think of this election as a, a respite or a temporary, an intermission. and then it'll be back to donald trump represents, let's say a phenomenon that is not going away. ok. this is going to continue on, and it's going to b

ok, what is the republican party going to learn from that? because i'm sorry, republicans can be very thoughtful, but they don't take on board something that is given to him on a silver platter. here, this is a refund, nominal result. how many seats you pick up in the house of representatives? probably keep the senate. this is, this is a, maybe not a way, but it's certainly a strong ripple in and in lieu of what was supposed to be a blue wave. go ahead and, well, yeah, absolutely. i mean, one thing that is kind of scary about, you know, the big tent, the populist message and everything you have to kind of really, i call the rubik's cube where you have to really walk a fine line, make sure you're not giving up one, you know, order for another while president trying to do great with, you know, the more rural parts of america and how those white blue collar voters. he also did extremely well with minority voters and far better than you know, romney and bush or mccain did. and i think that's something that we absolutely have to build on, especial

as a republican, is this the republican party of donald trump? >> yeah, unfortunately, it is. i'm not very optimistic about the republican party returning to the conservativism that i -- [inaudible] i became a republican because i was concerned about economic issues in the latino community. i wasn't seeing that voice being addressed. i think it's desperately needed now more than ever. but this is very much a part that is driven by white identity, white grievance exclusively, you know? the economic moorings, foreign policy moorings, character moorings, the morality moorings even -- [inaudible] republicans claim for decades has shown to either be a facade, or people are okay with somebody who is a charlatan advocating for it. but it is very much, it speaks very much to identity. and this is the great irony, is the republican parties has always chat tuesdayed the democrats -- chastised the democrats for being identity politics, that's exactly what's going on. places in a california, the republican party is 85% wheat. it's not hard to see what's happened. it's not hard to see the

we have breaking news tonight that shows just how deep the rot in the republican party goes. but before getting to that, and we will in just a moment, take a step back just to sort of survey the last few weeks since the election. right? most charitable thing someone could say about the bulk of the institutional republican party at the national level in the wake of the election that donald trump lost is that they're just kind of ignoring and pretending that donald trump is not having a total meltdown and attempting to torch american democracy. the nicest thing that can be said about the mitch mcconnells of the world, for instance, is that they are just letting him have his tantrum and hoping it all goes away. that's the best, the very best most charitable thing you can say about them. but we have evidence tonight that that is not what is happening, that they are actually collaborating with donald trump in attempting to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. because today georgia's republican secretary of state brad raffensperger told the "washington post" he has co

how bad the republican, state of the republican party is. but what people don't realize is that reagan's gifts of being able to communicate and being able to sort of says the shift of mood in the country which is learned from his hollywood career are going to be the most important assets for any politician in the decades to come. >> thank you. >> chase, you observe politics more or less from the inside. jonathan and i look at it from the outside. so, when did you first sense the shift that i guess gives rise to the title of your book? when things went right. when did, you and i assume that you mean this is the little double sense, things get more conservative and i gather you approve. how did you get drawn into politics, and when did you sense the shift occurring? as early as the sixties with emergence of, reagan or was it close to the time that you joined the reagan administration? >> my actual origins were not with reagan but with his vice president, george h. w. bush. i was always interested in politics going back to junior high school, b

how do you feel about the republican party now? it's very different than the republican party, even john mccain 12 years ago. so there's a battle over what republican party principles are. but i guess you could go to the platform to clarify that battle where you could, if there were a platform, what an extraordinary thing i know this is of by way. but how can you actually say we're not going to have a platform, we're not going to tell people what we stand for other than the old reelection of this person. remarkably, the most consistent aspect of trump's tumultuous presidency may have been the steadfastness of his base. most president's approval ratings fluctuate throughout their administration, but trump's remained right around 40 percent. it's an energized bloc that could impact the elections for years to come. i think of this election as a, a respite, or a temporary, an intermission. and then it'll be back. donald trump represents, let's say, a phenomenon that is not going away. ok, this is going to continue on. and it's going to

he hasn't been anything of any principle of the republican party. we don't have a definition right now. so at this point i'm still a republican. i'm certainly on the outside looking in. but i think it will take at least one or two cycle to get some of these people out and get new people into the party, new leadership into the party because donald trump has all but destroyed it. and maybe it needs a third-party somewhere in the middle. again, going to your conversation with valerie, we need to govern. when we govern, when transitions happen, it leads to good governance. >> yeah. >> and for example, you know cuomo. he even had a 70% approval rating in april with republicans. why? because he was leading, and that's what people want to see. they want to see leadership and governance. >> we're going to have him on in a few minutes. but i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you, joel and susan del percio. coming up, you may be surprised. i kind of agree with republicans who say that americans, american institutions have long been rigged. i gotcha mom

of republicans for decades that they were the national security party. people like lind we graham would be associated with those in the list if it is this out of step with this cross section of americans who worked in national security, including for republicans, i think it will lead to serious soul searching within the republican party itself about is this the party that stands for a set of issues on national security and counter-terrorism and is this the party of donald trump and willing to cast aside any norm, even the norms related to our national security, thus far the republican party is failing that test. and we're in a peculiar reversal of rules where the democratic party is establishing itself as the party that cares about national security and puts country first on all issues of national security. i think that could have long lasting implications for how we think about the republican party and our national security. the leaders in the senate and the house, the elected republicans, they're not only blowing it at this moment of peril for our demo

, in the republican party. we aty. 3:00 today we will have our ongoing series here at "washington post live", a discussion with the cofounder of black lives matter. tomorrow at 3:00 eastern i will interview ohio -- excuse me, colorado governor jared polis tomorrow at 3 p.m. eastern. today we let race in america from the editorial page. and on monday big event, big news here at "washington post live." at 11:30 a.m. eastern on monday we will host former president barack obama and the mellon foundations president to discuss the president's new book, his justse released memoir, a promid land. i will be back at 1:00 monday for discussion with dr. anthony fauci. so "washington post live" monday, president obama and dr. fauci. so make sure to leave your late morning and afternoon free so you can join us for those conversations next week. you can always find more information at washingtonpostlive.com to register and get live streaming information about all of our upcoming programs. i am robert acosta and we will see yo

he would find th party that he would utterly transformed. >> the republican party has to decide if they are the party of trump or lincoln. they cannot be both. reporter: jennifer horn cofounded the lincoln project, andiz organations founded to defeat donald trump. >> our party system is broken and does not serve the voters. it is become about 40 kno of power and not public service. the republicans shouldtte g that message. they paid a price in this election. reporter: democrat joe biden may have won the popular vote, but president trump attracted millions of new supporters. >> the evolution, that the gop has undergone under trump is incredibly good. reporter: she left the democratic party and march afte" tensions and her knitting circle and is now an active trump campaigner. >> he has effectively created a third partyn this country about populism and opportunity for everyone. the old-school rhinos do not like this. there needs to be a new influx of blood in the republican party with people like me. reporter: the split within the republican party is evident in the town of bedford, new ha