that's chris krebs. i don't think that attorney general william barr would wear getting fired by president trump as a badge of honor the way that chris krebs rightfully does here. but in any case, barr knows how to protect himself and how to play the game. just absolutely stunning today from bill barr. today, get the timing of this. even as the associated press was publishing their interview with william barr where he said, it's true, there wasn't any substantial fraud in this election, nothing that would overturn the results, even as the ap was publishing that interview with that quote from barr today, barr was trooping up to the white house personally while simultaneously he and his office revealed for the first time that just before the election he secretly promoted the guy he had assigned to investigate robert muller and to investigate the fbi for having had the temerity to investigate russia's interference in the 2016 election themselves. the fbi investigated it, mueller investigated whether trump's

. >> chris krebs is a wonderful public servant. anyone speaking out against a sitting president is going to face a rough time. chris was prepared for that. this is a man with a family who did a good job, all right? what was chris's crime here? he spoke the truth. he simply said that based on the job he had in the trump administration that the election was secured. now he and his family have to face the tumble of this kind of violent rehetoric out there because of him speaking the truth. my concern here is not what happened to chris but the broader culture of intimidation that's created by this president and this administration that has resulted in this. we saw during impeachment with people like alexander vindman and dr. fauci being beheaded. i experienced it myself, john. speaking out against the president and i now have to have a protective detail because of the threats that imminented from that. >> we just got the sound in. let's listen to what he said. >> anybody who thinks this election went well like that idiot krebs who used

so, it's not just chris krebs who oversaw elections, saying there's no fraud. it's not just rafens be raffens georgia saying there's no fraud. it's now the attorney general, his quote/unquote, protector saying there was no fraud. how much longer can this go on? how much longer can this be sustainable in terms of the apparatus surrounding the president? i know he only has a few days left, or a couple dozen days left, but it's still very detrimental and dangerous. >> it is, katy, it absolutely is. i don't think it's ever going to stop in terms of donald trump and the things he is saying because he's raising money to fund a legal defense, and also potentially a leadership pac as a result of this. it seems like he plans to take this false story into his ex-presidency. you're absolutely right. i mean, if one-tenth of the things donald trump and his legal team have been saying were true, we would have seen fbi agents raiding polling places. we haven't seen that. and now bill barr has made an explicit why. they have no evidence. even though barr broke with precedent a

this is chris krebs talking about trump as a threat. one of the questions, what would dough if the russians were doing this. the oath that we pledge coming into office is that you uphold and defense the constitution from threats foreign and domestic. we upheld our oath. >> so is donald trump a domestic threat. >> there is disinformation that he is spreading. i mean disinformation is one type of threat. >> jonathan swan, he said the president is a threat. and if you watch any of the tape of the armed protesters outside of the home of michigan secretary of state while she was decorating for christmas with her 4-year-old son, they were a threat to her safety. she thought so. what is the back story, what are republicans saying privately about why they don't address this threat? because i tell you i was in the white house after 9/11 and when there was a foreign threat there was nothing they wouldn't do. >> when i talked to republicans, let's say in the senate, more than in the house because they're focused on the georgia runoffs in january,

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wales is going to continue that tradition that chris krebs said. but ultimately, his firing was ridiculous. >> and congressman, you've -- i won't say an island, but there aren't too many others from your party, including those who in the past have been very supportive of cisa, its mission, national security, who have spoken as bluntly as you just did. why do you think that is, and is that something that can be addressed? >> well, you're going to have to ask them, but my philosophy has always been the same. i agree when i agree. i disagree when i disagree. i agreed with some of the things president obama did. i disagreed with many of the things he did. and i spoke out and i've done the same thing under this administration. and i think, as my friend lauren said in her opening remarks, we should not be politicizing the intelligence community or intelligence operations for when it comes to something as important as the integrity of our vote, right? and again, i think chris krebs and his team should be commended for what they did and we can even talk ab

and chris krebs is a real patriot, too. a man who protected the security of our election, who protected our most sacred right, the right to vote, who was rejected because of trump's widespread claims of voter fraud. in a sign of how low the trump team will go, trump's campaign attorney, joe degenova, called chris krebs and i'm quoting here, a class a moron and went on to say that he should be taken out at dawn and shot. yeah. trump's attorney. what the hell kind of world are we living in right now? and for those enabling the president at this point, continuing to look to the way as he lies, who don't call out his smears, who don't push back against his conspiracies. the writing on the wall tells me this, this is the company you now keep right? we've been trying to tell you. now all of a sudden you're in the same position that we were in. and we've been in for years. trying to tell you the truth. but it's fake. fake news. here's what i have to say. we should not give people participation medals for going their jobs. that's w

his name is chris krebs. he's the former top cybersecurity official, fired by the president, who says this about georgia's secretary of state. >> look at -- look at secretary raffensperger in georgia. lifelong republican. he put country before party in his holding a free and fair election, in that state. there are some real heroes out there. there are some real patriots. >> he's right. and chris krebs is a real patriot, too. man who protected the security of our election, who protected our most-sacred right, the right to vote, who was fired for rejecting trump's claims of widespread voter fraud. and in a clear sign of just how low team trump will go, trump's campaign attorney, joe digenova, i'm sure you have heard of him, called chris krebs a class-a moron and actually went on to say that he should be taken out at dawn and shot. yeah. trump's attorney. what -- what the hell kind of world are we living in right now? and for those enabling the president, at this point, who continue to look the other way, as he

said about former trump election security official chris krebs. listen to this. >> anybody who thinks that this election went well like that idiot krebs who used to be the head of cyber security. >> the guy who was on 60 minutes last night. >> that guy is a class a moron. he should be drawn and quartered taken out at dawn and shot. >> now, he says he was simply being sarcastic. that type of rhetoric actually puts people's lives at risk, doesn't it? >> absolutely. degeneva for years has been talking this type of trash against individuals and he wasn't be sarcastic. this is the type of venom he and other people spew out. unfortunately a lot of people take their words seriously, and i think these types of public figures, whether the officials or not, really have a responsibility to be rather measured this their terms. i speak out stridently. i try not to at all incite any type of aggressive activity, but i do think it's important for, you know, calmer heads to prevail right now, and i wish that the white house would be able to speak out in very very

john, you know, crust krebs was -- chris krebs was, as i mentioned a few minutes ago, sort of the darling of the media -- >> he was. gregg: -- who hailed his brilliance as a skulled leader of this -- skilled leader of this security unit that's supposed to prevent cyber attacks among other things. turns out he's a model of incompetence. admittedly, he says he's to blame for this massive cybersecurity attack. well, here's right about that, isn't he? >> well, listen, thed are e flags were there for weeks and months before election day and not just about what cisa, his agency, did on elections. its overall performance. think of this, it is supposed to be the agency that coordinates all cybersecurity defenses, and it had the lowest score inside homeland of any of the agencies that the homeland inspector general looked at. it got a ranking of one on four of its six measures, one being the worst score, five being the highest, the other agencies had way better cybersecurity or protection than the agency that with gave the keys to and said make us all safe or. there were many things flagged from j

he is not only threatening violence against chris krebs brush he want -- but he wants to trash the american democracy. trumpism is about trump. they'll step on anybody and kick anybody to protect trump. but what's at issue is the country. krebs was speaking honorably about the country and upholding the integrity of the american election. he should be rewarded and celebrated, not violently attacked with words used. >> senator tim kaine, thank you for joining us this morning. a lot of moving pieces, particularly on capitol hill. we appreciate your time. >>> after the break, turning back to co-vid. rhode island hospitals are at capacity as the state starts a two-week shutdown to try to slow the spread of it. we're talking with an e.r. doctor there struggling to find beds for sick patients and nursing homes for the elderly. r. i felt like... ...i was just fighting an uphill battle in my career. so when i heard about the applied digital skills courses, i'm thinking i can become more marketable. you don't need to be a computer expert to be great at this. these are skills lots of people can learn.

first up, chris krebs is suing the trump campaign for defamation. he says he and his family is living in fear after a campaign lawyer suggest that he be taken out at dawn and shot. out at dawn and shot if you need the key to fresh laundry try gain flings. they have more freshness ingredients compared to bargain liquid detergent. they have 3 super powered ingredients that fight stink oxi boost febreze odor remover and concentrated detergent. try gain flings and smell the difference. >> the american people had four years to prepare to be more discerning consumers of information. to pick up couple techniques. i think we're more resilient and more prepared. for any avenue of information. >> one day before the election and a upbeat chris krebs said he trusted that americans were wide from disinformation. fasttoward and he was going to file a lawsuit. the lawsuit claims an angry mob bombarded him with a barrage of death threats and apartment that continued to this day. but news max says claims made by mr. krebs is part of free speech. joining me now is th

democratic senator gary peters revealed that in that same hearing chris krebs and his family received threats for debunking election lies. in fact, special security arrangements had to be made to ensure that krebs could safely testify at the hearing. >> i would appreciate more support from my own party, the republican party, to call this stuff out and end it. we've got to move on. we have a president-elect in president-elect biden. we have to move on. these officials that are republicans -- look at georgia. brad raffensperger, gabriel sterling, geoff duncan, these are republicans that are putting country over party. they're being subjected to just horrific threats as a result. this is not america. >> this is not america. neither is this. in houston, a former police captain was arrested after allegedly running a man off the road and threatening him at gunpoint in an attempt to prove false claims of a massive voter fraud scheme in harris county, texas. that's where houston is. the harris county d.a. said the former police chief crossed the line from dirty politics to commission of a vio

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krebs should be shot and killed because chris krebs said that in his position of cyber security in the homeland security department, he found the 2020 election to be the most secure election in our history. on the "today" show today, chris krebs told savannah guthrie that he takes the death threat from that trump supporter seriously. >> it's certainly more dangerous language, more dangerous behavior. and the way i look at it is that we are a nation of laws, and i plan to take advantage of those laws. i've got an exceptional team of lawyers that win in court, and i think they're probably going to be busy. >> you feel like there's legal action that might arise from comments like that? >> we're taking a look at all our available opportunities. >> in georgia today, republican gabriel sterling, one of the election officials working in the georgia secretary of state's office, spoke directly to donald trump about the violent threats that he has been inspiring. >> mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. senators, you have not condemned this language or these actio

kristen, let's talk about this chris krebs interview. this is a lifelong republican who also expressed his gratitude to donald trump for nominating him and appointing him. he spent 3 1/2 years working on election security and creating this agency, basically, from scratch. and the outrageous comments by joe digenova are beyond the bounds of what's been said before. >> that's right, andrea. and you heard chris krebs say to savannah that clearly his legal team is taking these comments very seriously, looking at the comments and signaling there could be some type of legal action. you also heard krebs really stand by and defend the work that he did at dhs and the election results. of course he called the election the most secure in american history. and he really reaffirmed that and reiterated that today with savannah. when savannah pressed him, show your work, he said, look, the work is the fact that we're dealing with paper ballots, that's one of the reasons why there's so much confidence in these election results. and he defended his tenur

in the interview there with chris krebs. the work that chris krebs did as a director and what his team did before the election. the years they put in there securing the election and working with state and local partners to make sure that the security of the election was in better shape. it was really important. the rumors there coming from the president himself. i think that saved the country an enormous amount because they had the credibility to say that the allegations that he was making was false. that is an incredible service they did. >> thank you. appreciate your time. president-elect biden's camp is reacting to the high court's decision. a conversation about it with the congresswoman. more on what the data is showing about the coming vaccine. how quickly it can be expected to roll out in this country after the advisory panel meets on thursday. eating a veggie cheeseburger on ciabatta, no tomatoes.. [hard a] tonight... i'll be eating four cheese tortellini with extra tomatoes. [full emphasis on the soft a] so its come

. >> joe asked for chris krebs, a patriot who ran cisa to be shot. a 20 something tech and when a county has a death threat and noose saying it should be hung for treason, mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. someone's going to get hurt. someone's going to get shot. someone's going to get killed. >> john, i'm going to give you the floor. someone's going to get killed. if this doesn't send a message to trump and his enablers, what the hell will? >> that is exactly the right message to send. joe degeneva who he referred to in that sound bite is a perfect example of the dissent of the trump party into degeneracy. he's shouting wild things about other people. he said he was sarcastic after this drew a lot of attention, but that is not anything to joke around about. saar ramp is typically the cover that is used afterwards by trump and his enablers from things that they said that are extreme. just

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krebs, the election security official trump fires. >> that guy is a class a moron. he should be drawn and quartered and taken out at dawn and shot! >> reporter: it wasn't long after the associated press had published those remarkable comments by bill barr that he showed up at the white house today, which is notable not because he is the attorney general and he typically is there, ybut he not been there lately. we saw him going into the west wing today. moments after this we asked the white house why he was there because no meeting between barr and trump on his schedule but we are told he had a meeting with mark meadows planned in advance of those comments about no widespread fraud in the election. >> thank you. >>> attorney general william barr today has also appointed u.s. attorney general john durham to act as a special counsel. durham will be investigating whether intelligence and law enforcement officials violated any laws as they investigated the russia investigation in 2014. cnn's evan perez joins us live. what are you learning, evan? >> reporter: john durham

what is chris krebs talking about? >> yeah, i think a law has been broken here. there are federal laws that protect not only active duty federal officials, but some that protect former federal officials if they're being retaliated against for actions they took in their official capacity. and i certainly would argue that the statements fall into that category. lawyers will have to look at and the fbi will have to look at whether the cyber security position that krebs held falls into that kind of designated class of officials, but i would argue that it should and i think there's something to pursue here, but i want to point out something that's equally, if not more noteworthy about those violent comments. here's the deal, why this is noteworthy. in the past, we've been able to look at kind of fringe extremists who are violent and espouse violent rhetoric and we've been able to say, and find some comfort in saying, that person's mentally ill, this person is troubled. we did it with a guy who mailed a bomb component to former officials, former president, news organiz

frankly, i don't think we need to hear from chris krebs on the election or anything else. the election problems were systemic and changing voting deadlines of last-minute should not be allowed but it was an ballot harvesting should not be allowed but it was. mass mailing voting when you have voter roles played with errors and we can security requirements should not be allowed but it was. the establishment seem to think they could just bulldoze their way through the objections and legitimate questions but shut up and move on. no, this is our election system, not any old policy arguments. tens of millions of americans think the election was rigged. stolen, illegitimate and they will not move on unless you take their concern seriously by dismissing the concerns the idiot establishment are making people more skeptical of the election outcome, not less. it's gone up to 83% of republicans say they don't believe biden one. 80%. the elites have learned absolutely nothing from the success of donald trump. there's a reason the show is called the next revolution. americans have had e

chris krebs, the former director of the cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency who was fired by the president, he told cnn yesterday he agrees with assessments that russia was behind the cyber hack, adding they're exceptionally good at this, they're quiet, they're deliberate. he said they're patient and they're careful. why is president trump discounting his own officials, refusing to condemn russia for this breach? >> wolf, it's worse than that. not only did chris krebs say it, mike pompeo, the secretary of state, marco rubio, i think shortly our government will formally attribute, and the truth is, when the president of the united states refuses to call out this adversary, and this adversary is very good. they took their time, they brought their a-team, it shows that virtually any private company, and many of our government agencies at least on the unclassified side, it's tough to go against this kind of focused adversary. we need a president that's willing to stand up for our country and stand up against vladimir putin. we're also going to need, it will take us literally w

and chris krebs was promptly fired. we now have doj, the fbi and the department of homeland security in one corner, and then we have the statement you referred to from rudy giuliani and jenna ellis in another corner -- >> let's pause on that. i now have that printed in front of me, and again, the caveat at the top of this whole thing from the trump legal team that you're alluding to, with all due respect to the attorney general, okay, there hasn't been any semblance of a department of justice investigation. we've gathered evidence of illegal voting in at least six states, which they haven't examined, they have many witnesses, ya da ya da ya da. you read this. >> reporter: on the one hand we have rudy giuliani, jenna ellis and the elite strike team or whatever they call themselves which has continually failed to put any evidence before the courts. on the other hand, this isn't just william barr. william barr speaks for over 100,000 people who work for doj, thousands of prosecutors, fbi agents. he is not just coming up wi

you know how trump fired chris krebs, the cybersecurity chief at homeland security? chris krebs said publicly there wasn't anything wrong with the election, that it was the most secure election in u.s. history. trump hated that. trump also hated that krebs and his agency put up this really good website, this rumor control website, actively and aggressively debunking conspiracy theories about things being wrong with the election or wrong with the vote count. well, today after trump fired chris krebs and fired krebs' deputy and fired the cybersecurity division chief at that agency, today the guy left standing still running that agency announced that actually, yeah, they're going to keep that rumor control website up and running. they're going to keep it up through the georgia senate elections on january 5th so they can debunk conspiracy theories about the voting system for that election too. oh, no. oh, no, because that of course means trump's going to have to fire even more national security people now. he'll have to find more infowars, mike flynn acolyte screwballs t

krebs, most secure election in recent history. you all have continued to confirm democracy is indeed a team sport. because of our work together, i'm confident that no arizonan had to choose between their health and their fundamental right to vote. a big part of that was the easy vote safe program, developed in partnership with governor ducey. the funds provided through the program were invaluable and provided a safe voting experience for all involved. recognize thekly support from the arizona department of administrations, which facilitated the e foribution of pp voters, hand sanitizer, disinfecting supplies, and social distancing markers for voting locations throughout the state. we purchased 84 drop boxes for 13 counties across the state to ensure all arizonans could safely and securely return their ballot by the 7:00 p.m. election day deadline. we provided early voting opportunities in tribal communities that otherwise would not have been available. dusek,k you, governor for supporting a safe and acceptable voting experience in

. >> the marquis witness today was chris krebs, the government security guru. president trump fired him after the election, he said that it was free from foreign interference. >> while elections are sometimes messy, this was a secure election. of that, i have no doubt. the truth about elections is that you are not so much trying to convince someone that they won, it is a loser that they lost, and you need willing participants on both sides. >> democrats accused republicans of peddling false narrative about the election. chuck schumer questioned whether there should even be a hearing at all. >> we should acknowledge the results of the election and make clear that it is time to move on, just as he was happy to do so when the she was on the other foot. doing otherwise would add fuel to the fire that is undermining faith in our wonderful democracy. >> johnson said today that he doubted he would join any house member on the floor on january 6th to contest the electoral college result. you need a house an and a senate sponsor to trigger a debate when congress certifi

david: chris krebs, thank you for talking with us. thank you for what you have been doing to help keep our elections safe and secure. that's all the time we have for our conversation today. join us tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. for first look. my colleague, jonathan, will talk with post columnist dana millbank and kathleen parker about the latest political headlines. again, thanks to chris krebs. i'm david ignatius. thanks for watching "washington post" live. housersday on span, the is back at 10 a.m. for general speeches, followed by legislative business at noon. decriminalizing marijuana at the extinguishel and convictions for lower level offenses. on c-span two, judicial and executive nominations. on c-span3, the senate homeland security committee meets at 10 a.m. to review the fbi russian investigation and other actions at the justice department with investigative journalists. and a former fbi officials. aspen afternoon, the institute hosts a cyber summit with members of congress and the acting director of the cybersecurity inter-security

again, thanks to chris krebs. i'm david ignatius. thanks for watching "washington post" >> monday night on the communicators, chief policy officer for parlor, amy peacock. >> it is the best approach when you're talking about hate speech, so-called misinformation, anything else to address those problems with more speech. not with any types of content restrictions. >> watch the communicators monday night at can qu8 eastern on c-span 2. 8:00 eastern on c-span 2. >> i'm pleased to be leading our next session of full summit agenda and bios of her speakers are available at aspen institute.org. i would like to thank them for helping organize these conversations and let us talk with a great and diverse set of speake t

cybersecurity official, chris krebs. leaving that agency that one tasked with protecting our country from cyber threats disrupted at a critical time and it seems that senator romney's concerns were justified. news of a widespread hack of government agencies by one of russian's top intelligence agencies reveals that donald trump's baseless election fight has culminated in a threat to our national security. from "the washington post," quote, the department of homeland security, the state department, and the national institutes of health on monday joined the list of known victims aven of a spying operation, by russia whose damage remains uncertain but it presumed to be extensive. experts say the fact that the department charged with safeguarding the country from physical and cyber attacks was victimized under scores the campaign's significance and called into question the adequacy of federal cybersecurity efforts. one told politico, this is probably one of the most consequential cyber attacks in u.s. history. that is the vi

joe digenova asked for chris krebs, a patriot who ran cisa to be shot. a 20 something tech has death threats and a noose put out saying he should be hung for treason because he was transferring a report on batches from ems to a county computer so he could read it. it has to stop. mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. someone's going to get hurt. someone's going to get shot. someone's going to get killed. >> incredibly powerful words, and it is true, mr. president. you have not condemned any of it. you have encouraged it t. kaitlan collins is out front live outside the white house. a major rebuke from trump from the man he hand picked to be attorney general, who's one of his closest allies in his entire administration, still standing by him on the spying on his administration thing, but turning on him on this most crucial thing. >> reporter: that's right, and you are completely correct to point out just how notable this is compared to what barr was telling wolf blitzer before the election when he was giving, you know, air t

joe degenova today asked to chris krebs, a patriot who ran to be shot. a 20-something tech has death threats saying he should be hung for treason because he was transferring a report on batches from an ems to a county computer so he could read it. it has to stop! mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. this has to stop. we need you to step up and if you're going to take a position of leadership, show some. my boss, secretary of state raffensperger, his address is out there. they have people doing caravans in front of their house. they've had people come on to their property. trisha, his wife of 40 years, is getting sexualized threats through her cell phone. it has to stop. this is elections. this is the backbone of democracy. and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. it's too much. yes, fight for every legal vote. go through your due process. we encourage you, use your first amendment, that's fine. death threats, physical threats, inti

neither does chris krebs. just because you took a high-profile job doesn't mean you have to get death threats and your family has to get death threats. so what do you say to joe degenova? >> dude, you know what the heck you're doing. knock it off. i don't have any easier way to say that. he said he was joking. is this in any kind of an environment where a joke like that can go over? no, it's not. >> and then there's michael flynn, the former national security adviser who president trump just pardoned, who is calling for martial law to be invoked, so that they can hold a new election. your thoughts? >> we have a constitution. every person who works in the government and has been elected to government swears an oath to that constitution. this was the most secure election in the history of the united states in 2020. because of all the efforts of hundreds of thousands of men and women across this country. to then say, no, no, we're going to throw the whole thing out and start over under martial law, i will say thi

the man in charge of that system when the pack launched was chris krebs, the media sensation after president trump fired him for declaring that election computer systems were secure. even as he made that proclamation, cyber spies prowling through government and private sector computer systems. >> this is a massive intelligence failure on our part in surveillance that looks at the target in the network and that is your last opportunity to detect the threat. we failed to do that and now we are paying the price. >> the breach in the spotlight in the 2018 helsinki summit, russian president vladimir put in floating an idea president trump tweeted about an earlier year year -- in a year earlier. the cybersecurity unit they election hacking and many other negative things will be guarded and safe. >> bret: one of the big questions about the heck how deeply embedded is it and do the hackers have enough control over some systems that they could use them to do so this information in this trust in order to advance their malign interest, bret. >> bret: john roberts live on the north lawn, thank you. let'

in a moment, we're going to have a live interview with chris krebs, the trump-appointed and now fired head of the election cybersecurity effort first let's get to nbc white house correspondent, kristen welker with the latest on where things stand. >> reporter: good morning to you. president-elect joe biden is forging ahead, set to officially announce more nominees today including yellen for treasury secretary, who would become the first woman in the role if confirmed. it comes amid president trump's unsuccessful attempts to overturn the election results. this morning president-elect joe biden is moving forward with his transition, poised to introduce key members of his economic team later today. all as the president is again trying to cast doubt on the election results but monday, two key states that president trump has contested certified or determined their election results arizona and wisconsin. in wisconsin, biden's lead expanded by 87 votes after the president's campaign spent $3 million on a partial recount there. the "washington post" reporting this morning that president trump

what is next for matt travis and chris krebs? will they remain involved in some fashion in cisa? when you go back during the biden administration? what will also happen to the agency under biden? >> i was a political appointee, so i'm a private citizen now. i'm assessing what is next for me and taking a bit of a break. i think for cisa and the biden administration, i hope they continue to put on a growth trajectory. i want to say that congress has been very supportive of cisa. i think it needs to be a three billion dollar agency at the minimum. right now the budget is 1.7. you look at our expanding mission set. i hope biden continues to help cisa grow to reach full operational capability. >> do you think it's possible for a government agency to combat disinformation that comes from elected officials within the united states, or is it politically sensitive best left to civil society and social media platforms? if yes, how do we have government respond to foreign implication of domestically originated disinformation without stepping into the muck? that is what happened. there was a

. >> asked for chris krebs, to be shot. a 20-something tech has death threats and a noose saying he should be hung for treason. you have not condemned the action or the language. >> nothing. complicit. that is exactly right. there are a bunch of others deciding they don't want to get burned after throwing a torch into the democracy and just walks away. a republican tweeting there was no fraud in the state's election. the problems existing in other states simply do not apply here and i said all along i am going to follow the law. and that is what he did. the georgia governor, refusing to do president trump's bidding. >> we have yet to see any systemic fraud or organized efforts over fraud. >> the voters have spoken. nobody has come up with any evidence of fraud or abuse. >> the attorney general saying there is no widespread fraud that would have affected the results. judges in case after case after case laughing the accusations right out of court. judges, laughing them out of court. even while barr is saying there is no elec