historian's that amongst the ideas represented here is islam. beneath this great meeting congressman keith ellison who i came across at the start of my journey in minneapolis. so he tell me about when you took your oath of office because it was a copy of the koran and not just any copy but that was on this qur'an that we have right here before us and you know in fact this on which is a 2 volume set has the initials t.j. inscribed right here thomas jefferson and so you know we said this was your reaction when you found of the one of the founding fathers had his own copy of the koran i was gobsmacked. as we. head it was international. i didn't have much appreciation for why it would be a big deal that a muslim of the elect of the united states congress i thought the issue was going to be color. and i thought wow we've really made some great strides in terms of racial justice when people don't care that i'm black anymore they're just they're just exudes or dark about religion but do you think keith that for all the grassroots activism in the muslim

offenders he converted to islam in prison his name is. rafi peterson. we used to go in the cook county jail division 11 which is in the like maximum security and then . we sing so many brothers we did there for like 6 years and then we seen so many brothers coming home and going right back right we realize that we needed so attention to food and most being must have been very hard for a lot of you've known as if you come back and you've got to make money you've got to make ends meet not only that remember a lot of brothers that converted to islam and institutions. they were other than their institutions so we know that you have to have an environment here for the brothers to get a foothold when they get out and so we want to national housing service to look my . gosh and how is this. can we get one right and he said i know a good one you can have what we have and a lot of. you know we can we do a little bad way when you 1st saw this it was goofy everywhere and here this is again the gang how it was boarded up you know and neighbors and stuff with afraid

of the nation to adopt mainstream islam and he changed the nation's name to the world community of islam in the west there were some very startling ideas. oh yeah it was like hans tell us about some of the it was a myth to destroy we had a myth of the origins of the white race as grafted there were the black men you know as man and the black and black people were gods and the whites were devils as an exactly exactly but what made you break with the nation of islam that it didn't it didn't take nothing but a child's brain for me to do that out about 11 or 12 when i was there was wrong then you became a sunni muslim well i don't make a big deal of mass sunni and shia you know when i lay my mainstream most and you became a mainstream muslim yes and the really the importance of it how it would affect not only muslims but christians to. was not realize ballasts in 1905 in what way was it important turning that means a lack of nationalists movement as extreme as ours believing what we believe in the race if you could make a 180 degree turn and join the muslims of the world good christians and

of radical islam. i'm saying this because the intention of the islamists the intention of these ideologues is to turn part of our population against the republic. and we cannot let that happen. but. as i'm in speaking of resonating with citizens and voters would you say that the vote on the new law on islamism which is scheduled for october 2021 is this very much about french elections and are we seeing essentially the french government motivated as much by political opportunism as by principle. i think they the way the word has mobilized within the right wing since years is really trying to add it to the 3 pillars like they. did and to get like you see to as part of from. has been there already and i think michael is trying not to lose the. right to being part of the society and put a lot of emphasis on without taking the time again. to define what it is that what has been what what what it was historically and what it came to represent today being that unique french form of secularism. dean to what e

islam. i'm saying this because the intention of the islamists the intention of these ideologues is to turn part of our population against the republic. and we cannot let that happen. but. speaking of resonating with citizens and voters would you say that the vote on the new law on islam is and which is scheduled for october 2021 is this very much about french elections and are we seeing essentially the french government motivated as much by political opportunism as by principle. i think they are the way the words mobilized within the right wing since years is really trying to add it to the 3 pillars like. and to get to as part of from. has been there already and i think michael is trying not to lose the. right to being part of the society and put a lot of emphasis on without taking the time again. to define what it is what has been what what what it was historically and what it came to represent today being that unique french form of secularism. to what extent can mccraw be sure of continuin

is it the islamic state or boko haram? >> i think it's no do you want that islam is the larger threat now. since tweevepblet, the largest attacks on military, the most successful attack on the military, especially nigh jeera but also in chad have been carried out by iswap, partly because they've rethought tactics and also they have learned, thanks to the islamic state, they've adopted, evolved. they are organized, their organization has evolved. they have a permanents group of soldiers rather than the militant type of system that shekau used to work off of. >> do you see the islamic state as a greater threat or is boko haram just as threatening? >> no, i agree with your other guest. isleaming is a bigger threat. the you would find boko haram attacks mostly in northeast nigeria, particularly in borno. and they have more of a guerilla attack. hit and run. but if you look at how the other group is able to attack the nigerian public and there's a tribal area. [indiscernible] have been very zphelf their troop attacks of nigeria

islam. i'm saying this because the intention of the islamists the intention of these ideologues is to turn part of our population against the republic. and we cannot let that happen. but. even in speaking of resonating with citizens and voters would you say that the vote on the new law on islam is and which is scheduled for october 2021 is this very much about french elections and are we seeing essentially the french government motivated as much by political opportunism as by principle. i think they the way the words mobilized within the right wing since years is really trying to add it to the 3 pillars like. he did and to get to as part of from. has been there already and i think is trying not to lose the. right to being part of the society and put a lot of emphasis on without taking the time again. to define what it is that what has been what what what he was historically and what it came to represent today being that unique french form of secularism. dean to what extent can be sure of con

ism as you say the so-called islamic separatism categorically not islam itself so why should law abiding moderate muslims be worried about that surely be a welcome the rooting out of extremist elements in their communities. first who are you are the government will see who is a moderate muslim and not or not so the government says there are docketing islamists so far they have dissolved an interest level 4 b. organization dissolve the humanitarian organization the whole ask for the right to vote a place you did and get involved in the how n.g.o.s are managed and how charities a are elected they are the board members and on top of it what many would look or speaks of of you know dealing with you know islam and you know and i guess is the wisdom he is using this sea of see if the national council of the muslim faith which was set up in 2003 in a vote of race you did but you could have this similar to those issues that is being composed of several for there are issues of who are the heads of either of the moroccan embassy or the algerian embassy and on top of it never had any free and fair

and not, in addition to being an nation of islam muslim? >> it was growing. i would say it started probably with these when malcolm wants to go certain certain way and if d muhamed back particularly starting with the claim meeting in 1961 and it grows from there. in the beginning because malcolm is very enthusiastic personality and strong and people are threatened by him, his strength, his favor with elijah mohammed, their family members feel threatened in the field is going to try to take over the nation and get into, and interrupt their inheritance of the nation. there were these threads going on. elijah mohammed couldn't always protect them from that, but he also wasn't going in this direction of fighting for the freedom of black people and you can't do that by totally isolating yourself. if you want to fight and fried so you can do that by totally isolating so these ideas are separate and he's growing and elijah mohammed is holding you back. he is outgrowing that. >> so again does he go to mecca before after the split? >> he went after

islam. i'm saying this because the intention of the islamists the intention of these ideologues is to turn part of our population against the republic. and we cannot let that happen. but. speaking of resonating with citizens and voters would you say that the vote on the new law on islam is and which is scheduled for october 2021 is this very much about french elections and are we seeing essentially the french government motivated as much by political opportunism as by principle. i think they are the way the words mobilized within the right wing since years is really trying to add it to the 3 pillars like this. and to get to as part of from ons has been there already and i think michael is trying not to lose the. right to being part of the society and put a lot of emphasis on without taking the time again. to define what it is that what has been what what what he was historically and what it came to represent today being that unique french form of secularism. dean to what extent can micron be

islam. i'm saying this because the intention of the islamists the intention of these ideologues is to turn part of our population against the republic. and we cannot let that happen. but. speaking of resonating with citizens and voters would you say that the vote on the new law on islam is and which is scheduled for october 2021 is this very much about french elections and are we seeing essentially the french government motivated as much by political opportunism as by principle. i think they are the way the words mobilized within the right wing since years is really trying to add it to the 3 pillars like this. and to get to as part of from ons has been there already and i think michael is trying not to lose the. right to being part of the society and put a lot of emphasis on without taking the time again. to define what it is what has been what what what it was historically and what it came to represent today being that unique french form of secularism. dean to what extent can micron be sure

is it the islamic state or is it boko haram? i think there's no doubt that is what is the largest larger threat now if you see, you know, since 2017 that the largest, the largest attack some on military the most successful attack on, on the military, especially in nigeria. but also in chad has been you know, carried out by its swap, partly because it's weapons as it reached thoughts dicks, and that also they have learnt thanks to the stomach state. they have adapted. they have evolved, they are much more astute. they are organized. 'd you know, they are, their organization has evolved the other permanent troop of soldiers. 'd rather than the militia kind of system that chicago know used to work on so that they are clearly about the most impact on the ground of the equator. you see that? do you see the islamic state as a greater threat or is boko haram just as threatening? no. our group, it was the largest. it is for present trade because it's true. it is brother intent of do graphic. you know, you would find, look around what ar

islam is not a muslim he's just a radical islam and he wants to control radical islam prison micro fuel t.v. in order to explain to this population what freedom of speech is what freedom of satire is that you can make off everyone every religion it's not the world religion in particular but every religion and this is part of the freedom of speech of france president refused to be drawn on comments in an interview though he did highlight that france is under attack for protecting free speach. i'm never a good person and this is the difference between us i believe in respect my point is that becoming more violent and saw the with a leader given the violent example i think of these abuse of a broad between political leaders is a room where president michael attempting to take the higher ground in that long wide ranging interview broadcast over the internet on friday he talked about what was happening in turkey he didn't address it directly but what he did say is that he was clear that there was a fundamental difference between france and turkey says suggesting that turkey was a north or a

islamic organizations accused of inciting hatred have been raided and closed mccrone is pushing for him arms to register and agree to a charter of republican values but his government denies it's deliberately targeting the muslim community is real that. there are 2600 islamic places of worship in france when you consider a 76 out of the 2600 were far from the so-called widespread radicalization but there are some very concentrated places of worship there are clearly anti republican way in mom's are followed by intelligence services where the discourse runs counter to our values such as equality between men and women and where this hatred of jews catholics in france as well as dubious sources of financing. present emmanuel macross response to the crisis has created tensions with the muslim community in early october he said in a speech that islam is in crisis around the world. he then laid out plans to tackle what he called radicalism 2 weeks later a french teacher was beheaded after he showed cartoons of the prophet mohammed during a lesson on freedom of speech mccrone defended the

is going to be targeted against radical islam but you cannot target. this disturbing directly because it won't be constitutional so it's a law in general which targets call islam but it doesn't target radical buddhism for for example so what this law say it's in france you have the right to instruct your children yourself. school is not obligatory is not mandatory but instruction is mandatory at this point you just need to declare to the to the ministry of education that you want to keep your child children at home and instruct them but now with this law you don't have to motivate and give a valid reason in order to keep your children to instruct them at home and another thing we have we had around 200000 forced marriage here in france so what they want to do is to stop this forced marriage so the representative of the french states if they feel that. is marrying and the woman is pressure to marry someone because of their religion he or she can report that to the prosecutor and tell that prosecutor that this marriage is not valid because it is it is fo

radical islam islam is an ideology directed to dividing people and spreading hatred and violence in society faced with this the republic intends to defend itself. local authorities now will have more power to deal with religious spend news where they say there is hate speech coming from them whether there is a call to violence this bill will also fight against clandestine schools and it will make homeschooling much much more difficult the idea of ensuring that all children have access to their right a right to education we know that doctors issue virginity certificates will now face prison and fines possibly as well and we know that the religious associations will now have to declare foreign funding now muslims have long criticized this law it's been debated for the last few months saying that they are unfairly targeted by it and in fact this war has already provoked huge reaction in some muslim majority countries who've also been unhappy about the fact that president mackarness defended the fact that blasphemy is not illegal here in france no islamic scholars have described president macar

addition to the nation of islam? >> it was growing. i would say that it probably started with these when he wanted to start a certain way and they kept calling him back but certainly starting with the planned meeting and then it goes from there. in the beginning because he was very enthusiastic and strong and people were threatened by him and family members feel threatened and they felt he was going to try to take over the nation and get into their inheritance so there were these threats going on. he couldn't always protect him from that. but you can't do that by totally isolating yourself so these ideas are separate and he's growing and elijah mohammed is holding him back. >> did he go before or after the split? >> after. >> but he had also traveled for business prior to this but on his own he had slid and at that point he was working on developing what he had decided he would split and not hold back to what they want to do, he has come up with the idea and is also working with the support of the civil rights leader

islam is not a muslim he's just anti radical islam and he wants to control radical islam because in france as of today we have the coming to to preach in france they are sent by morocco algeria turkey and saudi arabia some of them don't even speak french so what prison mccrone wants to do is to get. trained. in france and to teach muslim. let's say the islamic view of france. now we know that turkey as been very vocal it wants to be part of the e.u. it's been a long process a lot of discussions do you think that one's words will actually harm turkey's chances here. erdogan the world's going to harm his chances but we can say it's been for decades turkey is trying to enter the e.u. doing almost everything that the e.u. asked them and they keep the european union keeps asking them more and more and more and more time and one of one of the differences between turkey and france is because france doesn't want turkey to get into e.u. that has been since jacques chirac france or mitterrand and sarkozy and all along and not only mccall saw they keep discussing with turkey about then getting in the

was islamic fundamentalism, islamic militancy, what's called political islam, the desire to use islam to infuse politics or create an islamic government. what did the arab spring tell us about the future of that movement, the potential of that movement to succeed or to derail governments? >> in tunisia, political islamists compromised. that made them much more moderate. they turned into something like christian democrats in europe. in that country political islam turned out to be completely compatible with the emergence of constitutional democracy. in egypt the muslim brotherhood government would not compromise. they thought they could govern the way they want. that's not how it works in a constitutional democracy, you have to compromise and they were displaced by the army. worst of all in syria after the civil war created a tremendous security vacuum we saw the rise of the islamic state which is islam in its most extreme and horrifying form and that turned into a murderous and horrifying kind of death cult which had to be defeated ultimately by force. >> when you look at egypt what c

in one french village where numerous young people have actually joined the islamics islamic state the mayor says that the government partly at least bears responsibility for doing too little to integrate them is this ultimately also about social exclusion and is a serial killer to clamp down simply easier than perhaps putting into place the kind of social reforms that would really make a difference. well security measures are always better to communicate but of course to really do them effectively is maybe just as hard as promoting integration but i you know i think every case is slightly different and i fully agree there is a problem with the bomb you at the same time we also see that not all the attackers have come from this kind of particular setting that we have cases like in the village where it's other forms of social network to drive people to attacks there is no one size fits all explanation what i would be in general more concerned about in france is that france has been late with preventive strategies in comparison to strong repressive strategies they recognize it. is a topi

then came the attack on vienna and macaroons initiative to crack down on islam is started to gain wide momentum as their case to the attack was clearly an islamist terrorist attack it was an attack out of hatred hatred of our basic values. we know what vienna and austria have been through the pain the fear the victims and i don't think that this attack is an innocent that it reveals the will of our enemy to attack what europe is a land of culture of freedoms and values military deployment has been more than doubled in france other countries have heightened measures to so how real is the threat the threat is absolutely enormous in terms of fighting political islam because 80 percent of the most are controlled by radical islamists what i call the ideological threat but secondly the jihadist threat that is only part of radical islam and to jihad is a terrorist attack it is also a big danger because many people are released immigration is not controlled another issue then raised its head polls showed younger muslims are more conservative than previous generations and they put the laws of t

led against islamic state in syria and iraq details on that story and more after this part. of the. show seem wrong why don't we just don't all. get to shape our disdain. and in detroit equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back turkey's president has condemned an alleged racist incident that interrupted a champions league match between paris and german and istanbul b'soxee here and the french capital scandal involved a match official but present i don't want has pointed his finger elsewhere artie's alexy picks up the story well it's not too often that events at a football pitch turned political but that is the case when the turkish president lashed out at the french authorities for an incident on the bridge involving a romanian official let's listen to what aragon had to say this approach is forgivable or determined times will continue france has become a country where racist rhetoric actions are intensified now of course there has been some sort of a war of words between president aragon and his french counterpart a

ideology of islam islam but many in the global muslim community felt that they were being targeted it was to be french means to defend the right to make people less of a difference among these ridiculous is a caricature which voltaire claimed was the source of the rest to be french means always to be on the side of the freedom fighters. needs mental health treatment what else can be said to a head of state who does not understand freedom of belief and who behaves in this way to millions of people living in this country who are members of a different faith that frenzy kicked all for here with the now infamous satirical magazine charlie abdul used to have its offices instead of mocking 5 years since the massacre here france was also about to bury new victims as the trial of those suspected of aiding the terrorists who killed in cold blood tape began sharlee abdo published what it described as a tribute to the dead it was like a red rag to a bull. france was back on maximum alert then came the attack on vienna and met corns initiative to crack down on islam is started to gain. weight mom

in addition to being a nation of islam. tamara: it was crying problem. but simply starting with the clan in 1961. in the beginning because malcolm was strong and people are threatened by him. his strength, and the family members of elijah and they feel threatened. and he thought would take over the nation. and get into and interrupt their inheritance of the nation. so there were these threats going on. his mom cannot always protect him from that. but he also was going into a direction fighting for the theme of black people. you cannot do that by totally isolating himself rate. so these ideas are separate. and he is growing. in the mom is really holding him back and outgrowing that. sue and so again, did he go to this before or after the splits. tamara: he went after the split . he traveled for business and setting up other prior to this. and he also traveled to the middle east. but on his own, he had split. and at that point, the travel during that last year of his life, he was working on developing, because when he decided

here in britain found out that british support was ending up with islam ists in syria what i'm getting at is where is the support for islam is coming from in your region you know i don't know you and i ever met you but i can tell you judging from your question you have. a huge misperception of what will be happens in the middle east and i'm there truth to what extent it could be of value have been interviewed we continue to to listen to your claims which i found totally disconnected from reality even here all day of the names and they events you have mentioned probably had happened i'm not sure of this give believe iran a bluffing about retaliation for the assassination of customs and their money i don't see a value for continue to continue these in the we owe you know your right to frame the situation or the perception of the viewers of the situation. ponyo drudge meant and to ask me just to give more kind of modification to it i do not accept your framing so i don't think that there is any value to continue this. but all i was asking about was how big is the iranian threat to israel