no one at newsmax is a record for that. but somebody said this in your promoting that and i think it is grossly unfair we have no history, we have said consistently and i have said publicly that if joe consistently and i have said publicly that ifjoe biden wins the electoral college, he is president and newsmax will respect it as the united states and is inaugurated as president elect. it is very unfair and unusualfor elect. it is very unfair and unusual for the bbc to call people out on something as silly as this. in just one more point for the regular contributor under airwaves. he is also, an occasional guest. he is an occasional guest and a plaintiff in this case. and he has appeared on other media. plaintiff in this case. and he has appeared on other medial understand your point that he speaks for himself and you just put him on air occasionally, but let us address something else was stuck. second amendment supplies, one of the second amendment has the right to carry arms, that clearly means guns and ammunition, and on

but it's certainly not the editorial view of newsmax. does it worry you that she appears on twitter... lin wood's been on f... lin wood... wait a minute. stephen, lin wood's been on fox news. why don't you call them and ask them why they had him on? my point, if i may... he's been on all the major networks. call them and ask them why he's been on their network. my point is, as you said... your point is you're trying to find some silly, stupid thing and you don't want to talk about the facts. and it has no relation to the very sincere and good journalism my people have been putting out at newsmax. i'm simply trying to get to the mind—set of members of your staff right now. and i put it to you one more time that you... what you're trying to do, stephen, is find... you're trying to find a little stupid thing and blow it up and make it emblematic of my network. i mean, you started off by saying that we're out—trumping trump, which is not true. we criticise the president on the network. we're right—wing. i wouldn't describe newsmax as..

that's a sign of newsmax's strength. overall, by the way, fox has four times as many viewers as newsmax, still number one in the right-wing media universe. charlotte, you have experienced this on the road. you wrote some great pieces before election day about disinformation on the campaign trail do. you have a sense after interviewing kamala harris this week, after covering the biden campaign that team biden knows what it's up against? do they know what this alternative universe is like? >> i do think that they know what they are up against. what biden said in our interview is that essentially he thinks, as he said, the words of a president matter. so i think they are really betting on the idea that once trump is out of office, once he no longer has the bully pulpit of the presidency where he can blast these peer spears with the authority of the presidential seal, that's going to take a lot of the air out of the balloon of some of these conspiracy theories and that they may go back to the fringes. that's their hope. afte

it's not just newsmax. newsmax is perhaps the most prominent but it's oan and it's the number of the conservative blogs as well and sort of right-leaning sites that he was always a little bitten tlhi -- bit enthralled to. aids would hand them to the president and he would parrot them back and now when he is so angry about the election results, angry at fox news for not being what he thought should be total and pure state tv, he is switching over to these different media outlets and is urging his supporters to do so. you can even see in his tweets and what we're hearing him say privately, he is becoming more radicalized. he's hearing more spir sconspir theories and parroting them back. his supporters are becoming more radicalized, people who don't accept the election result and don't accept biden as the president is incredibly dangerous. >> i want to give you a quick last word in this conversation, ben rhodes. this is one of the things that president obama seemed to be warning about in his book "truth decay.

>> newsmax now, because we don't trust fox news. >> officially newsmax says bide season the president-elect and will be referred to that way. but host greg kelly is telling viewers to stay tuned. >> it is not over. >> and other pro-trump personalities are turning against anyone who gives biden legitimacy. >> today, i want to congratulate president-elect joe biden. >> fox's mark leaven lashed out to mitch mcconnell saying, thanks for nothing, mitch, and calling for new blood in the senate. and rush limbaugh framed trump's supreme court loss as some sort of elitist plot. >> this is strictly about getting rid of donald trump. there isn't an entity in the -- in the american deep state, washington establishment, whatever, that doesn't want to get rid of donald trump. including enough justices on the supreme court. >> demand that is not going away. even if the geraldo riveras of the world say it should. >> it is over. i want the president, the 45th president to understand it is over. the electoral college has voted. >> okay. brian stelter with that report. thanks for watching "cnn newsroom. "i'm

i don't know much about newsmax but it sounds like the name of one of those fake news shows that's really just late night infomercial for hair plugs "welcome back to newsmax, our next guest is the medical genius behind the latest breakthrough in hair science known as paint but, hey, he personally feels they are wrong to call joe biden the president-elect just like i feel that the 2007 academy awards were wrong to give best actor to forest whittaker for "last king of scotland" instead of me for my role in "american dreams" with hugh grant who said to my face, about my performance, and this is real, "i don't remember it." we had scenes together the trump caballa is so committed to subverting democracy and painting biden's win as illegitimate that some states even held fake electoral college votes and pretended alternate slates of electors will be sent to congress to put trump over the top once they, you know, finally win a court case >> as we speak, today, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we're going to send those results up to congress this will e

. >> and, scott mcgrew, fox news and newsmax are in full reversal on this one. >> they are. good morning to you. fox news has been running the same segment on its shows where it interviews an expert about the elections who disproves many of the allegations that have been made over the course of the past few weeks by other fox news guests about smartmatic and dominion voting systems. fox news is not the only one. newsmax, a news channel the president often quotes, has posted a statement to its website that does much the same titled facts about dominion, smartmatic you should know. some quick samples. no evidence has been offered that dominion or smartmatic used reprogrammed software that manipulated votes. never one, neither dominion nor smartmatic has any relationships with george sor so s. smartmatic is a u.s. company and not owned by the venezuelan government, hugo chavez or any foreign official or entity. all of these allegations were made by the president's so-called elite strike force, legal experts, and then repeated by many pundits on fox news and newsmax. sydney powe

this three-minute script on every newsmax show. this seems to have worked. i guess the question is, what does it mean for smartmatic, whether you can put this back in the bag? >> i mean, they're trying to do damage control here. and a lot of this stuff, the law isn't particularly settled. there's not clear law on what happens if an on-air guest goes on to defame somebody and you invat them back and you invite them back again and again. that's what these allegations are. that's something for the courts. there is a rule or a -- that you can express false and defamatory opinions as long as you lay out the facts upon which those opinions are based and people can draw their own conclusions and disagree with the facts. i think they're trying to hastily jam a bunch of facts out there so they can say we gave everybody all the facts. we just had different opinions. >> i've never seen -- i have to say, i've never seen anything quite like what is being done right now. >> oh, yes. >> great column, as always, mr. ben smith. thank you so much fo

. >> scott mcgrew, fox news and newsmax are in full reverse on this one. >>> fox news has been running the same segment on its shows where it interviews experts about the elections who disprove many of the allegations made over the course of the past few weeks by other guests on fox news about voting systems. and fox news is not the only one to go into full reverse here. newsmax, a news channel the president often quotes, posted statements to its website doing much the same titled facts about dominion smartmatic you should know. no evidence has been offered that dominion or smartatic used reprogrammed software. neither has any relationship with george soros. it is a u.s. company not owned by the venezuelan government, hugo chavez or any official foreign. the so-called elite strike force of legal experts and then repeated by many pundits on fox news and newsmax. sydney powell, rudy giuliani and jenna ellis never offered any proof of allegations. >>> bill barr, meanwhile, rebuffing the president's call to appoint a special counsel to investigate joe biden's son hunter. here is the attorn

producers at newsmax write the scrip scripts. these fraudulent claims about mass voter fraud. 30 minutes ago rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, was on fox making up that crazy conspiracy claim that someone in washington sent out instructions to democratic-run cities to rig the election. these lies are happening every hour of the day in far-right media. they are going essentially unchallenged by many of the president's favorite talk shows. the president's media diet is poisoned. and so in that way i suppose he is a victim. so that's the outgoing president's diet. now what about the u.s. president-elect? what is his media diet? my next guests have some answers. starting with thomas friedmann, the foreign affairs columnist for "the new york times" who had an hour long phone call with biden earlier this week. julie pace, the washington bureau chief for "the associated press." and in his debut appearance as a cnn comentater, contributor, ev the author of joe biden, the life, the run and what matters now. so, evan, welcome aboard a

if fox is not radical enough for the viewers, they go to newsmax, one american news. if those channels aren't enough, well just go on to facebook. you log on, there are live-streaming networks full of the most inane election conspiracy theories you can imagine. but they are right there. they are all over the place online, on radio, and on tv. now, are all the radicals on the right? of course not. do some liberals have radical ideas? of course. radical thought is nothing new in america. but radicalization is specific because it is a process. a process with a dangerous edge. a process that takes hold when people feel alienated, when they lack social trust, when they are vulnerable to the rage and resentment of talk show hosts who promote fear and anger and offer crazy solutions, talking about martial law. flynn made it to the oval office on friday. we will get to that in a few minutes. we ask how did isis members become radicalized? how did the shooters in el paso or orlando or las vegas become radicalized? well, the answer very often is the internet. the digital land o

and newsmax, excuse me, who are willing to maybe lean a little farther into that the election was stolen from donald trump what's interesting about ruddy is that unlike sort of presenting himself as fair and balanced the way that fox news would, it seems that he is very much saying, look, we are doing this because there's a market for it >> yes he's very open about that. what's interesting about chris ruddy and people like that is, you know, i had him on the show, i actually played him a clip of his own news, quote unquote news you know what they say, seth, "show don't tell." we played a clip of diamond and silk, who are this mad duo who were fired from fox because they were too extreme for fox and now, they are on newsmax doing segments about the "scam-demic" and i played that to him and i said, "how can you defend that? and he basically said, you know, "we all believe in freedom of speech it's opinion we're not saying it's accurate." and i was like, "you're not saying your own shows are accurate?" it was an intriguing admission it was saying the quiet part loud a very cynical kind of,

we saw a really unusual walk newsmax, a smaller conservativee ork. they both backed away from reporting they were doing which nswasuating that votes may have been changed because of voting machines. what we sawertwo companies threatened those companies with -- with legal efforts. we saw fox news and newsmax saying there is no evidence that there has been fraud there. even though he has lost court ca after court case, saying that is the reason why he lost the election. in some ways, we are watching these media outlets back cway from theims. creasingly worried about the fact that the president wants to go through even more means to erturn this election, think about putting in a special counsel and other means. opthere are man worried about those actions. dithose companies walking things back, doing things that could be very scary, tells us where we are where the president has 29 days back in office. judy: yamiche alcindor reporting again on the outgoing president and the incoming one. thank you. ♪ judy: the major bills passed by ss were focused first

those people are turning on newsmax and oan now. and it is an astoundingly beautiful thing to watch. it is a magical moment because no one believes any of this is true inside these organizations. they know it's a lot of b.s. but now they've been caught and now the threat of legal action is pending upon them they have moved with dispatch to get out of this problem. >> and sam, speaking of people turning on people there's a graphic that's making the rounds on social media tonight. i'll try to simplify this to the n-th degree. this was sent to mostly republicans on the hill. this is one of trump's favorite graphics. it's designed to show that but for trump interceding in the kentucky senate race mitch mcconnell might not have been so lucky. so they're trolling the majority leader in the senate. they -- last time i checked, they need a guy like that. they need friends in the republican party. what is going on here? >> well, first off i'm having trouble squaring rick's gulog line with the festive background he has there. the two things d

we saw unusual walkbacks from fox news and newsmax, a smaller conservative network. they brtked away from reping they were doing insinuating that voting machines -- somehow the votes may have been changed because to have the machines. what we saw wer two companies then threaten those networks with legal action saying youre essentially lying about our companies. we then saw fox news and newsmax say, in fact, that there is no evidence that voting machines fraud there.anged or any sort of it's really important because president trump has continued to make the cas, even though there is no evidence, even though he lost in court case after court case, he continues to make the case that these voting machines were messed with and that's thes reason he t the 2020 election. in some ways we're seeg the media outlets back away from the president's claims. it's also notable because allies of the president telling me as well oth reporters that they are increasiny worried the president wants tothgo ugh more means to take back the election, thinking about putting in a special counse

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these issues and more i'm joined by my guest and a caucus in greenville she is a newsmax insider as well as contributor to the washington examiner and in toronto we have arthur who wrote he is editor at large and being libertarian dot com all right crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to henning in greenville in my introduction i asked the question what does it mean to be a conservative today in your mind what does it mean to be a conservative and let's keep in mind the train presidency and the recent general election go ahead well in my mind it means you can. of what has always meant is that we are working to conserve the classical liberal values our country was founded upon but i think there's a role fracture within conservatism these days i think trump has increased that fracture i think it was a system before he actually came into office but it has become deeper and more visible and i think that there are a lot of conservatives who want to move that movement into direction that he was mostly focusing on which has

or newsmax or away in or something how bad you we would maybe hear something maybe not as blatant as that but certainly a journalistic bias and there are other people who say this is the brand the idea of you tuning in to c.n.n. you want to hear a liberal anti trump stuff i'm sorry but that's a fact so being true to the bank brand to the shareholders they have to produce but here's the thing which is amazing when you look at people who go out of their way to see we are in the news we are unbiased fair and balanced is this in essence a form of trademark law is this perjury to say enjoy any kind of liability for misleading the consumer if i tell you something is 100 calories but it's 200 you've got to believe i may get a lawsuit well if i'm lying about the content why shouldn't it apply otherwise watch this being addressed in the courts coming up our brains are going to tend to an ad thanks to keep me company and have a great day. welcome to the united states of america we call this. this country is whole the largest prison population in the world you have more people in prisons. more

newsmax. i stopped watching fox news. you have people driving these mail trucks, they drive it to a place in it disappears and you have people coming up that have been threatened. they are losing their livelihoods that were there. you see in georgia, everybody leave -- there is a toilet that is plugged, everybody leaves, and then they bring out more ballots. biden,n the spike, biden, biden. ray charles can see it. host: thanks for calling. marc morial, "the new york times" talks about record turnout, hinting at the future vote in the u.s. guest: the turnout was powerful. the gentleman who called, he's upset because his candidate lost. when your candidate loses, do not disparage those who voted for the other guy. do not disparage the will of the american people. i don't like the electoral college one bit. i think it's antiquated. yet for years ago, when donald trump -- 4 years ago when donald trump won the electoral college victory, people assented, clinton conceded, and the peaceful transfer of power from obama to trump t

fox or newsmax or something how bad you we would maybe hear something maybe not as blatant as that but certainly a journalistic bias and there are other people who say this is the brand the idea of you tuning in to c.n.n. you want to hear a liberal anti trump stuff i'm sorry but that's a fact so being true to the bad brand to the shareholders they have to produce but here's the thing which is amazing when you look at people who go out of their way to see we are the news we are unbiased fair and balanced is this in essence a form of trademark law is this perjury do they enjoy any kind of liability for misleading the couldn't so more if i tell you something is 100 calories but it's 200 you better believe i may get a lawsuit well if i'm lying about the content why shouldn't it apply otherwise watch this being addressed in the courts coming up. 2 brothers have sustained horrific injuries after israeli soldiers apparently detonated an explosive device at their home one of the men who stayed in hospital shared his story. that the so the army came at around 6 am while me and my family were as

host: do think that applies to the growth we have seen reported of organizations like newsmax and one america news? guest: yes, to one extent i would say there are these outbursts of new places people are turning to because they have become disillusioned and don't like the opinions they're getting from the news they are watching. iffy -- if people feel like they're only going to get opinions from news, they're going to shop around for the opinions they would like. there is a market among the same people watching these news organizations left and right. there is a market for old cnn gete they could turn to factual information that goes where the facts lead without having to wonder if that is because this reporter or this new cigna station -- this news organization wants me to say something. host: let's hear from wisconsin, republican line. are on.you inler: i got a degree journalism in 1985 and back then it was a given that you were neutral and nonbiased. somehow, i'm not sure what pointed, at some journalists got to believe that their mission in life and their sacred job is to be a ci

flynn first floated the idea last week on the conservative media outlet newsmax. >> he could take military capabilities and he could place them in those states and basically re-run an election in each of those states. >> reporter: the meeting reportedly devolving into a screaming match, with powell calling trump aides quitters. she did not respond to abc news requests for comment. white house counsel pat cipollone, chief of staff mark meadows, and rudy giuliani, who was on the phone, convincing the president against both the special counsel idea and declaring martial law. using the military to influence an election being met with swift backlash. >> look, this is appalling. there's no other way to describe it. it's unbelievable. >> reporter: today, president trump pushing back on the idea of martial law. writing on twitter, martial law equals fake news. >> faith, thank you. >>> moving on to the massive cyber attack on government agencies. mike pompeo saying russia is clearly behind it. hours later, the president downplaying the attack. casting suspicion on china instead, even as members of

i mean bill she is a newsmax insider as well as contributor to the washington examiner and in toronto we have arthur who wrote he is editor at large and being libertarian dot com all right cross not going to take that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let's go to hunting in greenville in my introduction to ask the question what does it mean to be a conservative today in your mind what does it mean to be a conservative and let's keep in mind the true presidency and the reason general election go ahead well in my mind it means to be a conservative what it's always meant is that we are working to conserve the classical liberal values our country was founded a fine but i think there's a role fracture within conservatism these days i think trump has increased that fracture i think it was a system before he actually came into office but it has become deeper and more visible and i think that there are a lot of conservatives who want to move that movement into the action that he was mostly focusing on which has a lot more nationalism involved and isn't alway

krebs is asking for monetary damages and for the interview to be removed from the newsmax archives. global news 24 hours a day, on-air, and on bloomberg quicktake, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in over 120 countries. i'm mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. vonnie: it is 1:00 p.m. in new york, 6:00 p.m. in london, and 2:00 a.m. in hong kong. i'm vonnie quinn. welcome to bloomberg markets. here are the top stories we are following on the bloomberg and from around the world. good news on the vaccine front. the fda says pfizer's covid-19 vaccine is safe and effective after one dose. astrazeneca's vaccine developed by the university of oxford shows 70% effectiveness in stopping the illness. it is better at stopping it then slowing its transmission. a light at the end of the tunnel. farmers are almost three times as austenitic than in the summer -- optimistic than in the summer but we will talk about challenges still facing the industry with john boyd, president of the national black farmers association. one of wall street's more accurate forecasters, ed hyman joins us

newsmax will be not be as powerful as fox news. fox news, here is the thing we have been dealing with. other cable networks had competition. fox news is the only far right conservative network. now they have competition. the playing field in some way is leveling. trump will be marginalized by march and fox news will get back to something but it will be a shell of its former self but still very powerful. >> trump is easier to deal with. >> trump feeds off of us. if he is not president anymore -- >> he won't feed off of me. on inauguration day it will be like the local boycott bake sale. raised $65. trump held a rally in wherever. thank you and good night. >> when you said he is not going to feed off of you, i have never seen you share your food with anyone. >> you don't have to when you ain't hungry. >> i'm hungry. >> stop leeching off of me. hey. wait a minute. did he go away? >> i'm always here. >> president trump. this is what my mom would say all of the time. don't act a fool. don't embarrass us. president trump is acting like a

along with republican attorney joe and news outlet newsmax of defaming him and calling for violence against him. they suggested that he be shot for seeing that the 2020 presidential election was the most secure and history. he says he was only joking. >>> marin county rejects a stay-at-home order. >>> a politician targeted by a suspected spy. the revelations involving a bay area congressman. >>> record warmth today, waves have dropped. what will it be like down the road? i will have that with a chance of rain. >>> a suspected chinese spy got so close to a number of politicians including california congressman eric that the f bi stepped in to disrupt the situation. a chinese national named christine targeted up and coming local politicians including those who had the potential to become national figures. as you will recall, eric was making a bid for president. christine placed one intern in his office and interacted with him at several events over several years. she also had romantic relationships with two mayors in the midwest to gain proximity to political power. officials do not rank she

last week on newsmax, former national security adviser michael flynn who also participated in the meeting floated the idea of seizing voting machines and deploying the military to rerun the election in swing states. "the washington post," "the new york times" and the associated press reported that trump asked about the idea during a meeting and a source says that the proposal was shot down by mark meadows and cipollone. the president denied it calling it fake news and the army said, quote, there is no role for the u.s. military in determining the outcome of an election. according to "the times" trump attorney rudy giuliani participated in the friday meeting by phone and that he also pushed back on the special counsel idea, but that's perhaps because giuliani focused on his own effort to overturn the election by seizing the voting machines. axios is following up on the reporting by "the new york times," that trump attorney rudy giuliani called the second in command at the department of homeland security to attempt to access the machines for the trump campaign to inspect. the conversation b

. >> other allies want to keep fighting including michael flynn who told newsmax mr. trump should consider declaring martial law and a new election, although flynn was careful to add he had nos calling for that to happen. >> within the swing states, if he wanted to, i could take military capabilities and place them in those states and rerun an election in each of those states. these people out there talking about martial law like it's something we've never done. martial law has been instituted 64 times. >> the president is playing games with the pandemic, just as vice president mike pence was receiving his vaccine -- >> i didn't feel a thing. well done and we appreciate your service to the country. >> the president was retweeting conservatives who question the effectiveness of wearing masks. contrast that with nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell who both got the vaccine themselves. the white house isn't saying much about when mr. trump will be vaccinated. earlier this year he said he was willing to do his part. >> will you get it? will you take it? >> will i take it? >>

there is fox, on american news, newsmax, i can get those three on my tv here. what are the left-wing channels? , there is a republican host in the morning, and there midday, ande they've got one in the evening. i am not sure i would call that a progressive network. the one progressive network i note is free speech television and i am on it. it is not on a lot of cable systems. i think your analysis of the media is off. host: does the radio show run live on tv at the same time? like the is simulcast, one out of new york that started years ago. host: great to have you with this and hope you come back. thom hartman joining us this morning. thank you so much. that will do it for us on this sunday morning but we are back as always tomorrow morning. we start at seven :00 a.m. eastern and hope you will join us then. have a great sunday. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2020] ♪ ♪ >> c-span's "washington journal."

then there are others, including friends networks like newsmax and one america news that think there is a real profit opportunity here by stoking the idea that trump was the real winner, and that there is hope for him in the future. unfortunately, that's what a lot of this comes down to, prompting, grift. that's why trump has sent out hundreds of letters asking for people to donate money to what he calls his campaign. right? >> brian stelter, thank you so much. if i don't get a chance, happy new year to you. >> you too. thanks. >>> now, when the coronavirus was first detected in the united states, the seattle area was the epicenter of the outbreak. cnn's sara sidner returned to the nursing home that first confronted the virus to speak with staffers who had just received covid-19 vaccines. >> that feels good. >> reporter: these were some of the very first people in the united states to go to war with a new virus without weapons to fight it. ten months into the pandemic, they are finally getting the most powerful weapon available, a vaccine. >> what is this day like for you? >> but i f

. >> look at companies like a newsmax that just are mimicking the wild accusations, unfounded accusations made by donald trump about this election without regard to any support or evidence of these claims. and lots of people are soaking that in. all of us are going have to figure out how do we get back to the point where the truth means something, and that you can't just make stuff up and suddenly half the country believes it. >> but that's what we had been dealing with, a president who makes stuff up. >> yes. >> half the country believes it. there have been so many lies coming from the trump white house. even if biden, even if the biden white house, which is more truthful, i can't imagine any white house as being untruthful as this one, are people going believe it, april? >> you know, we are now at the era of fact checking. and for this president to have to -- for twitter to say we dispute this claim, that says something. when you think of united states president, you believe that the president has your best interest at heart. you believe he is telling you the truth because so much weigh

fox and oam and newsmax are also playing a role. so what happens is this environment that was created by facebook where each person is isolated in their own truman show with their own set of facts, where opinions are considered to be facts, that whole world has jumped from the onliner environment to every day life. it's going to be very hard to put this genie back in the bottle. it's going to require for the country some sort of truth and conciliation so we recognize as a country we do have shared values and a shared set of facts. we had one piece of great news this week, which was the anti-trust case filed against facebook both by the federal trade commission and 48 states, which really is a brilliant document and i think is an example of what can happen when we put our better angels together on a problem like this. >> brandy, you warned us about this months and months ago, even before there was talk about a vaccine. there were already rumors spreading about coronavirus. i'm still thinking back to february and march where the presi

i wonder, have you considered talking to top forums such as lam, newsmax, parler, tngs like that and audiences that may be not hearing in these forums but need to hea the message. >> the answer is yes. i'm wling to talk to anyone in any platform that we can effectively get the message across, particully in the arena of importance of people getting vaccinated because we don't want that to be t missing link in our success in not having people get vainated. you know, sign me up. >> how do you balance between being a cheerleader for these public hlth practices in providing the evidence in the science behd them and also being this ser minded scientist? there e too manyeople who still are not abidingy these basic public health measures, ten and 11 months into this. we've had so many cversations and at which point do you change the message a bit around masks or physical distancing? people who do it have heard the message and are doing it and people who are not doing it have alsoeard the message and not doing it. what d you do in yourosition? >> as you well know that famous sayi that albert

newsmax, a fringier outlet less grounded in the truth than fox has been covering its tracks issuiing clarifications of its previous coverage. >> there are several facts that our viewers and readers should be aware of. news max found no evidence that dominion or smartatic owns the other or has any business association with each other. we have no evidence that dominion uses smartatic software. or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election. >> these clarifications and fact checks are completely the opposite of what those news out lets have been saying. the "new york times" media columnist ben smith says this is a direct result of legal threats made by two voting machine companies, smartatic, one of those companies demanded retractions and delivered legal notices to fox, news max and one american news network this month for statements made on air by hosts and guests. in its demand letter, smartatic stipulated that fox must make corrections on multiple occasions in prime time to match the attention and audience targeted with the original defamatory publications. fox

newsmax, the far right wing media news station, their viewership has gone up 20elimes since thction so that paranoia is pretty deep and widespread right now. >> woodruff: mark, wsas a organization, the "newshour" is trying to understand. this i know other news organizations are as well. we want to understand, you know, e or gin of this and how deep it goes and how long-lasting. how much does it matter that we now?to tackle this right i guess what i'm trying to understand, is this a flight of fancy that we're just living through a ief period an we're going to wake up in a few weeks or months and going to be pas it, or is this with us for a long time? >> well, no, i mea i think david put his finger on it, asr he does regu. th also has a commercial aspect to it. i mean, there is a profit upping viewership if you're spinning paranoid theories tur listeners and explaining that the other ide -- that you never argue it the mer what it comes down to is the other side is evil. that is the first thing i learned came to washington that you don't question the motives of somebody onh the er side, t

fox news and the even farther to the right newsmax forced to backtrack on the president's election fraud conspiracy. those conspiracy theories against voting technology company smartmatic under threat of legal action. the networks aired an interview with an expert debunking one election fraud lie after another. >> have you seen any evidence that smartmatic software was used to flip votes anywhere in the u.s. in this election? >> i have not seen any evidence that smartmatic software was used to delete, change, alter anything related to vote tabulation. >> i mean there's a lot more of that. they had to do that. but, man, look, when you lose geraldo, it's ovah. sorry. trump buddy geraldo rivera tweeting, sadly, he lost a bitterly contested election. ish happens. he wrote the whole thing out, but you understand what i'm saying. however, since he has behaved like an entitled frat boy -- and that's on top of geraldo saying this, all right? listen. >> donald trump lost the election. joe biden won the damn election. now let's just move on from there and stop this ridiculous nonsense that makes e

there was a split between newsmax and the other one yesterday that newsmax seemed to recognize that, yes, joe biden was going to be the next president. >> you're right. they did. although i caveat that, joe, by pointing out they did have the word president-elect in quotes on newsmax for most of the day. so it doesn't appear that they're quite taking it as seriously as most other people, including those on capitol hill. and i think that really this is a moneymaker for a lot of the media companies. it's an audience generator. it's a money maker for the trump campaign because they send out email solicitations at the rate of what seems like one an hour and they have legal bills and debt that they have to pay off. this is something that you have seen across the conservative movement as a whole where there's money to be made by getting people excited about unwinnable causes and that's frankly what this entire process has been about. it's about setting the bar, saying we can win this court case. we can push these state legislators to do something that they're not going to do and then when t

have you considered talking to platforms like oh a and, newsmax,arlor, things like that, audiences may be not hearing you these types of forms but need to hear the message? >> the answer is yes. i'm willing to talk to anyone in any platform that we can effectivy get the message across parcularly in the arena of the importance of people getting vaccinated because we don't want that to be the missing link in our success, not having people get vaccinated. sign me up. >> how do you balance between being a cheerleader for these public hlth practices, providing the edence, the science behind them and being a sober minded scientist? there is too many people still not abiding by the basic a public health measures, to 11 months into this. we've had so many conversations, at what point do you change the message around masks of physical distancing people who are not doing it heard the message and are not doing it. what do you do in ur position? >> there's that famous saying albert einstein said the definition of insanity is doin the same thing over and over ain expecting a different result. i don