rudy giuliani is himself a lawyer. his lawyers are themselves lawyers, and they ought to be very, very careful here. >> elliott williams. thanks for my jd today. appreciate it. >> you got t. >> you get an "a," brooke. the. >> thank you, thank you. super, super interesting and helpful as we see this unfold with this mega voting systems machine. >>> we have breaking news this afternoon on an investigation into whether anyone at the department of justice was plotting with president trump to thwart the will of the american people and overturn election. new details next. research shows people remember commercials with nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ these days you need more than an education. so that's what we give you. introducing career services for life. learn more at phoenix.edu >>> in a matter o

giuliani got up and went to the bathroom and one plaintiff giuliani's confidantes turned to the cia officer and said that giuliani could help him with the pardon. it was just going to cost $2 million. and the cia officer laughed at that. he thought that was laughable. he later recounted that story to someone at a party and that person actually thought it was so alarming that they reported it to the fbi. >> michael, what are we talking about in terms of the legalities here. your article doesn't accuse anyone here of doing anything illegal. of course if it gets to the scale of the executive branch accepting bribes, that's a different story. but is it illegal for any allies or associates to accept any kind of payment to lobby for clemency? >> that in and of itself is probably not illegal. it's probably not illegal. you know, the questions of legality are determined by the courts and by the justice department can make its own determination about what it thinks about something. but it is not illegal to take money to lobby for someone for a pardon. now some folks will say you need to register for

giuliani started speaking with reporters. about his plan to travel himself to ukraine to try to enlist the ukrainian government assistance to help his compliant, president trump. in his reelection effort. he said he was going to ukraine to try to get them to announce investigations into vice president biden because that would be helpful to his client. the resulting fire storm of kritism his trip was called off in may. he called off the trip, mr. giuliani made public statements criticizing the new government of ukraine. saying that the new president was surrounded by enemies of the united states. for ukraine, that was a big deal. ukraine is a country at war with russia and dependent on the reality and perception of having strong support from the united states government and when mr. giuliani as the president personal attorney started making public claims that the new ukrainian president was surrounded by enemies of the united states of america, that's why he wasn't going. the ukrainian government kind of freaked out. that crit

we know how often they tried to blame rudy giuliani and criticize rudy giuliani for the last several months when that's a veiled criticism of the president. it's easier to use rudy giuliani as that outlet. i'm not sure he's an attorney who would be the best person to represent the president but we should note the prominent figures you saw just a year ago when we were in that last impeachment trial for donald trump, they are not coming around. they're staying away from this. they're making sure people know they're not involved in this effort. so i do think it will be a struggle for the president to put together a legal team that senate republicans are going to find as a receptive ive audienc make those arguments. >> andy mccabe talked about what was the central ideology of the insurrection at the capitol. fueled by the inspirational leader donald trump. and that's the big lie. that he says he won the election. and "the new york times" overnight, maggie haberman, reporting that as recently as, it was tuesday on air force one flying to texas and back, trump was walking around the plane

he doesn't want to pay giuliani anymore. we're also hearing a new round of pardons could come as soon as today so brace yourselves. >> and developing overnight, a new intelligence bulletin warns the domestic extremists are likely more emboldened to carry out attacks after the insurrection at the u.s. capitol which they see as a success. investigators warn that online chatter is, quote, off the charts. the national guard preparing to find improvised explosive devices like pipe bombs and molotov cocktails ahead of next week's inauguration of joe biden. all of this as law enforcement, federal law enforcement official tells cnn that the evidence uncovered so far suggests that the siege at the capitol was planned. we have brand-new video this morning that captures more of how violent this attack was. this was not a simple protest gone wrong. the fbi says it has received tens of thousands of digital tips, including some that appear to show members of congress with individuals who later showed up at that insurrection. so we begin w

spotted at the white house this weekend, his personal lawyer rudy giuliani. sources say the president has recently grown irritated with guiliani, but he's one of the few allies the president has left. giuliani telling our jonathan karl he is part of the president's defense team. but the white house has not confirmed who will serve as the president's counsel, even though the trial could begin in days. giuliani, who led the president's failed charge to overturn the election, telling abc news he is open to having the president testify. he also addressed the crowd on january 6th. >> let's have trial by combat. >> reporter: the prosecution says they'll be ready whenever the article of impeachment is handed over to the senate. >> we're preparing as though we are going to go in the next hour. >> reporter: the senators who witnessed that deadly capitol hill riot will serve as jurors. >> this was the most serious presidential crime in the history of the united states of america, the most dangerous crime by a president ever committed against the united states. >> repor

rudy giuliani accuses dominion — sorts. rudy giuliani accuses dominion of— sorts. rudy giuliani accuses dominion of attempting - sorts. rudy giuliani accuses dominion of attempting to i dominion of attempting to censor the exercise of free speech. but dominion say they have had to spend half $1 million in security and fighting disinformation because of allegations against them. they now seem intent on replacing the court of public opinion with a court of law. mark labelle, bbc news. and new zealand, over the weekend, 20,000 mosques in hastings. the oxford dictionary says that 0xford dictionary says that moshing is to dance to rock music in a violent manner while jumping up and down and deliberately colliding with other dancers. not much of that over here then, nor in the united states stop in fact, we are not likely to see live events like that happening anytime soon. but the bad the flaming lips have come up with a typically ingenious way of playing live while staying safe. it brings a new meaning to the saying stay in your bubble. wayne coyne, the leasing of the

rudy giuliani accuses dominion of attempting to censor the exercise of free speech. but dominion say they have had to spend half a million on security and over $1 million fighting disinformation because of allegations against them. they now seem intent on replacing the court mark lobel, bbc news. president biden has overturned president biden has overturned president donald trump's ban on transgender people joining the us military. he announced the and in 2017 citing what he called disruption and medical costs. the 0bama administration found transgender people had very little impact on military healthcare spending. it is just over a year since china imposed the world's first look down on the world's first look down on the city of wuhan. by then, coronavirus had been spreading there for several weeks and the chinese government insisted everything was under control. a new bbc documentary has revealed the gap between what was happening on the ground, what chinese officials and scientists knew, and what the world was told. new year's eve, 2019. by now, it has been 30 day

people believed the statements that were made by giuliani. they were motivated to take action in the real world. >> reporter: dominion says the deception spurred deep mistrust of the voting system could cost the company a fortune and triggered threats against its employees. giuliani said the massive suit is quite obviously intended to frighten people of feint heart. it is another act of intimidation to wipe out and censor the exercise of free speech. >> dominion. nobody even knows who owns it. these machines are controlling our country. so it was a rigged election. it was really a sham and a shame. >> reporter: still trump and his supporters enjoyed a great deal of free speech when they were trashing dominion, again, without a shred of proof to back their false claims. >> the biggest fraud is the dominion machines. >> reporter: so dominion attorneys are looking hard at fox news, oam, news max, sean hannity, maria bartiromo, rush limbaugh and more as they contemplate their next legal moves. they're hoping to learn more in the process of the di

legal bills, you know, between giuliani not getting paid and trump having giuliani as a lawyer, i can't tell who got the raw end of that deal. >> that's -- let me read that. that's -- and it proves that trump's not even sure giuliani's a real lawyer these days. this is from the "washington post." trump privately expressed concern with some of giuliani's moves and did not appreciate a demand from giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election. neal, i didn't mean to jump in, but we have that great reporting. >> yeah, so, you know, i think, you know, trump got what he paid for here in giuliani. i mean, it is quite amazing that the only lawyer donald trump could get was a guy who's under active investigation by his old office, the southern district of new york. the one i think i'll say is take all these reports with a little bit of a grain of salt. i don't doubt that trump's going to stiff him financially but maybe giuliani's holding out hope for a different kind of payment. i mean, some lawyers prefer to be paid in cash. others, bitcoin. but i think gi

dominion sued sidney powell and now suing rudy giuliani. they're terming it this big lie that giuliani has been propagating. so this is what they said in their lawsuit this morning. they said just as giuliani and his allies intended the big lie went viral as people tweeted and re-tweeted and ranled that dominion had stolen their votes and while some little lies die with the next news cycle, the big lie was different. the harm to dominion's business and reputation is unprecedented and irreparable because of how fervently millions of people believe it. and one thing that dominion is pointing out is that rudy giuliani made the false claims on his podcast, on tv shows, but never actually in court filings because of course the repercussions for that would be severe. he could be sanctioned and even disbarred. so they are suing him for $1.3 billion. >> thanks, jessica. >>> we're going to get more on this. harry litman is joining me now former assistant attorney and it is good to see you. >> you too, kate. >> and first, it is either shocking or not

did he say anything specifically about the president or rudy giuliani or donald trump jr.? >> reporter: well, certainly anyone who was part of this or incited this, their comments. that is what the u.s. attorney said. including the president. because he was specifically asked. and he said he's going to be looking at everything, to see how that played a role in this conspiracy. and whether or not that incited. it's obvious that it did. but this is something they're going to have to try to prove. and they are going to use some of the words from the president. what we can wind up seeing here eventually, anderson, is that a criminal complaint, an indictment, the words from the president, the words from rudy giuliani and other people who took the stage here yesterday,

sources tell cnn he's considering a potential defense team that would likely include rudy giuliani and possibly alan dershowitz. new arrests as authorities hunt down riot suspects. federal charges were just filed against the man seen carrying speaker nancy pelosi's lectern as well as another man who wore a bearskin headdress during the riot. let's go to our senior congressional correspondent manu raju. manu, walk us through these really fast-track developments on the timetable for impeachment. >> reporter: yeah, it was moving very fast and expecting a vote could happen in just a matter of days. the one concern some democrats have is the precedent they would set by moving so quickly on impeachment. typically, an impeachment inquiry takes months, but this could take a matter of days. and democrats say the reason why they're moving so quickly is because the matter is urgent and they say the president is a concern to the american public's safety in the aftermath of what happened on wednesday and the president inciting violence that led to the deadly mob attack against the u.s. capitol that

giuliani said in an interview with abc news over the weekend that he's probably not going to be doing it because after all, he claims to be a witness. he gave one of the speeches before that riot over on capitol hill. also, talking about capitol hill and the senate, vice president-elect kamala harris will officially resign from the senate later this morning. back to you. jillian: a busy week ahead. i feel like we say that every week. david spuptd, thank you. todd: a republican supporter said the president should look ahead to 2024. >> if trump wants the republican nomination in 2024, it will be handed to him on a silver platter. i'll support him and i think the field will be mostly clear but for some people that have ambition that outsizes their political sense because with our base, with trump voters, i think the president is as strong as he's ever been. todd: other top republicans who

but let's talk about rudy giuliani. there's now reporting that the president and rudy giuliani might not be on the best of terms. that's pretty extraordinary. >> well, steph, there are fractures in that relationship. my colleague josh dossey reported last night in our story that rudy giuliani wanted to charge $20,000 a day for his league services, in november and december when he was traveling to different battleground states trying to overturn the election, trying to mount legal challenges, all of which, by the way, were thrown out in court, the claims debunked, the evidence not shown. but nonetheless he wanted a high fee for that and the president, according to our reporting, has now instructed aides not to pay rudy giuliani's legal bills and has demanded that all of rudy giuliani's travel expenses he submits for reimbursement be personally approved by the president. that is a testament to how angry this president is that rudy giuliani was not able to fulfill his promise of making donald trump the winner, of overturni

. >> giuliani pushed these conspiracy theories. we've been very clear from the very beginning, false, deranged, unhinged. he pushed them not just standing in his living room. went on to oann, went on to fox, fox business. to you plan to sue those media outlets? >> we're looking at all of those outlets, jake. we're looking at, obviously, rudy and sydney powell could not have done this alone. they obviously made the statement and they continued to push, but they did it with a very, very loud megaphone provided to them by many others. some you've mentioned and others that you haven't. we're going to take a look at each one of them and the level of irresponsibility and recklessness by putting these folks on the air to spread this disinformation to the american public, and damage dominion in the process. >> giuliani just said on his radio show that he has reports and analyses of dominion machines, and he can prove that they were, in fact, manipulated. he said he even got it on tape. just for the record, rudy giuliani has been lying abou

we know that rudy giuliani said that there should _ him. we know that rudy giuliani said that there should be _ him. we know that rudy giuliani said that there should be trial _ him. we know that rudy giuliani said that there should be trial by - that there should be trial by combat, whether stan now that was a reference to a game of thrones, is that right? reference to a game of thrones, is that riuht? ~ reference to a game of thrones, is that right?— that right? well, it took a while to net to his that right? well, it took a while to get to his defense _ that right? well, it took a while to get to his defense of— that right? well, it took a while to get to his defense of those - that right? well, it took a while to - get to his defense of those comments but yes on the way he referenced the hbo show game of thrones. he says a lot of criticism because he used the phrase trial by combat to say, you know, let's have a trial by combat to see who is right about these unproven claims of widespread fraud and he took a lot of heat for that bec

and the return of minion number one, rudy giuliani. these are the people in his ear. rudy giuliani. with one bogus conspiracy theory, after another. remember when senator susan collins tried to defend her decision to vote to acquit the president in his impeachment trial? i'll remind you. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president has learned? >> the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. i believe that he will be much more cautious, in the future. >> come on. really? he sure did learn his lesson, didn't he? and the lesson he learned is that he can do anything he wants. that he can trample all over our democracy, and get away with it because people are just -- i'm just deeply concerned. how do you feel now, susan collins? hmm? what lesson did he learn? that is exactly what he was impeached for. remember when fiona hill testified john bolton refused to get involved in the drug deal, that was their quote, drug deal the president's men were cooking up? >> you tell eisenberg, ambassador bolton told me, that i am not

that drove that rage of the protesters, as well as giuliani's words and trump's. so to have giuliani appear now as your lawyer is really just pouring gasoline on on a burning flame. he should be there as a witness to the insurrection. not as a lawyer. >> you wrote a piece for "the washington post" this weekend and the title is "the riot happened because the senate acquitted trump" and you ended with this. perhaps, speaking of the senators, republicans mostly, perhaps they have learned a lesson from last year, even if the president has not. do you think there is a plausible two-thirds vote to convict once the dems take control? >> well, as a trial lawyer, one of our adages is you never know what is going to happen until you go to trial. and i won't predict now if we can get the two-thirds that we need. we'd need to pick up the 17 from the republican party to convict. but, victor, we have never had a president who has done anything like this. i wouldn't have thought he could have done worse than what we impeached him for, the ukraine call and his misconduct. now he

rudy giuliani said, even steve bannon was shocked by rudy giuliani saying it and asked him to expand on it and he couldn't. >> well, what's amazing about it, ali is that at the end of it when you cut it off when bannon goes to, you're killing me. you're killing me because steve bannon knows he's going to get sued by us also and he is and so is donald trump who is rudy giuliani's client and rudy giuliani is acting on his behest, but look, it is very difficult to sue somebody for defamation or libel in the united states, but our lawyers are telling us that rudy is well across the line so we're thrilled about this. it's the weekend, obviously. our lawyers are working and as soon as we're able to we'll take action and it won't be a frivolous lawsuit and again, in a country with the first amendment we're all public figures and we're all involved in the fight, but what he said was ludicrous and was untrue, was defamatory and if we can sue them, we're going to sue them. i think we'll -- >> what do you make of this kind of nonsense? who is he relying on? the idea that people don't have acces

the company's best evidence, giuliani's own words. tom foreman has more. >> this dominion company is a radical left company, one of the people there is a big supporter of antifa. >> reporter: for dominion voting systems, the case against rudy giuliani comes from his own mouth. >> the company counting our vote with control over our vote is owned by two venezuelans who were allies of chavez. >> reporter: through falsehoods -- >> it is not made up. >> reporter: the lawsuit says former president donald trump's lawyer pushed blatant lies about the company. >> one of the experts that has examined the krookt dominion machines has absolutely what he believes is conclusive proof that in the last 10%, 15% of the vote counted the votes were deliberately changed. >> reporter: dominion's $1.3 billion lawsuit against giuliani follows a similar suit against sidney powell who promoted trump's false claims the vote was rigged. >> people believed this lie. people believed the statements that were made by giuliani. they were motivated to take action in

welcome back i'm still here the president trumps personal lawyer rudy giuliani trump has threatened to say to twitter rather than be regarded as a platform it is a publisher if it is if it is would like to do that except the democratic congress would never pass that who how much money do you think zuckerberg. twitter say how much money do you think it gives to the democrats hundreds of millions in it not funding of tax and other things they own the democratic part that's why they do it they don't do many censorship if favor of chop the censorship is against trump and to the electric guy they control joe but we were buying doesn't like it we will be subjected to this ship for the next 4 years because their allegiance the reason they despise trump is because trump basically tells them to go to hell. this is not to is not going to let them run this country they eat wasn't elected he has lost contributors because of this he says that contributors continence say why did you just go easier on the big tech companies and he's basically sort of out of his office and the reality is that big chec

>> look them in the eye and lied. >> rudy giuliani knows that. he also, i believe, he has some ethical standards as a member of the bar and knows what he said wasn't true. but our state senate didn't ask us to come in there to rebut what they said and it was left as the gospel truth and it wasn't. it was fabricated. >> in the call president trump slanders one of the election workers in the video. a woman who georgia officials say is not expected of tampering with anyone. >> ruby freeman. she is a vote scammer. a professional vote scammer. hstler. ruby freeman. that is the name shown all over the world. >> the president claim freeman put the ballots hidden in suitcases through the counter three times resulting in 54,000 bogus votes. >> why did they put the votes in three times? >> mr. president they did not. we did monitor that and proved c conclusively they were not scammed three times. >> ruby freeman is in hiding because of death threats. >> i saw one that said a young man's name. you are a traitor. may god have mercy on your soul and a gif of

thanks for being here. $1.3 billion lawsuit against giuliani. how did you reach that figure? >> well, in some ways, the damage that's been done to this company is immeasurable. the reputational harm that mr. giuliani and others have inflicted on the company and its employees, you can't measure because they'll never be able to get their reputation back given now what's out there on the internet and in the air waves and in the archives of cable news shows. but what we've done is we've attempted, using our current projections to look at what the lost profits and revenues of this company are going to be going forward, what the amount of money this company is going to have to spend going forward to remedy the harm to itself, and also to try to measure the reputational damage to the brand and to the company as a business going forward. we'll update those numbers going forward, but based on our current projections, this is our best estimate. >> as you point out, rudy giuliani was not alone. you're also suing, i think, sidney powell, but there are others. there were others in the med

rudy giuliani has all sorts of criminal liabilities. he's been under investigation for financial fraud, campaign finance fraumptd i think he has criminal exposure for ukraine, for his role in the capitol riot, and if president trump pardons rudy giuliani, he's also doing himself a favor because if rudy giuliani were ever to get charged crily he could decide to cooperate. that could hurt donald trump so a pardon of rudy giuliani really would help donald trump himself. >> i want to say what i said at the top how some of his associates are making money. some of trump allies have been making in the thousands of dollars from felons' lawyers to lobby trump for clemency. when you read the piece in the "new york times" today they pointed out that bill clinton issued 170 pardons and commutations, some of which went to people who paid these six-figure sumz, so trump's friends making money off of this, after all the outrage with -- with bill clinton, how is this even still allowed? >> you think. i think bill clinton is the best historical example.

rudy giuliani in the middle of a scheme by the president. a guy who very much knows what is happening, a very capable guy. that's what he said. remember when the president said he wanted a favor from ukraine? like i said, this is exactly the kind of thing he was impeached for. >> so what are we going to do here, folks? i only need 11,000 votes. fellas, i need 11,000 votes. give me a break. >> i mean, you have to listen to the whole thing. wow. the president knew all along what was at stake. he knew joe biden was his toughest competitor. so he tried to take him out then. aha. we told you that. that's what the reporting was, didn't believe it. he knew it, and guess what? he lost. maybe he did know something. and the president was right. biden was his toughest competitor. biden won. so trump's trying to take him out now. but there will be a new president, and this is what he says tonight. joe biden tweeting. in america, politicians can't assert take or seize power. it has to be given by the american people. we can't ever give that up. the will

people believed the statements that were made by giuliani. they were motivated to take action in the real world. >> reporter: dominion says it spurred deep mistrust could cost the company a fortune and triggered threats against the employees. giuliani said the massive suit is intended to frighten people and an act of intimidation by the left wing to wipe out and the exercise of free speech. >> dominion, these machines are controlling the country. it's a rigged election and a sham and a shame. >> reporter: still, trump and supporters enjoyed a great deal of speech trashing dominion without a shred of proof to back the claims. >> the biggest fraud is the dominion machines. >> reporter: they are looking hard at fox news, news max, sean hannity, lou dobbs, rush limbaugh, the epic times and more as the company contemplates the next legal moves. what's more, dominion is hoping to learn through legal discovery whether some of these attacks on the company were coordinated and at what levels. if so, that could open up other targets for lawsuits and ma

giuliani blamed the company for mr. trump's election loss, alleging without evidence, that its systems were easily manipulated. giuliani said the lawsuit will allow him to investigate the company's history, finances and practices. >>> well, one year ago today the world lost a sports legend. basketball great kobe bryant was killed along with his daughter gianna and seven others in a helicopter crash in california. chris martinez takes a look back at the shocking loss and the legacy bryant left behind. >> reporter: on an overcast california morning, one year ago, an unexpected tragedy. basketball superstar kobe bryant and his daughter gianna killed in a hospital crash along with seven others. college baseball coach john altobelli, his wife kerri and daughter alyssa among the lives lost. >> it was one of the most surreal days. it was a weird day. just the love and support i got that day from so many people. i'll remember that part of the day, too. it was actually special as it was tragic. >> reporter: within hours of the c

people thought rudy giuliani was going to be involved in that senate impeachment trial but rudy giuliani's been asking people what the plans are even know there is no comprehensive legal strategy. and one other person we should note the president has been lashing out at in addition to mitch mcconnell he's been fuming over is kevin mccarthy. typical republican ally of the president who is very close to him, knows his favorite candy, that kind of relationship. he said today that trump does bear responsibility. and i'm told that the president is furious about that and that kevin mccarthy floated this idea of potentially censuring the president. >> david, some republicans, maybe they would have voted for impeachment but were scared of trump or some sort of retribution or fearful for their lives from the insurrectionists. what do you think of the argument that if they can't do their duty they should resign? >> well, they did what they saw as their duty today, which was to try and do anything to maintain their power. that's why they voted against impeachment. because as you said, i think the big

rudy giuliani has not won a thing. he's really been quite embarrassing and ill-serving the president with his wild conspiracy theories that has the president in the position of being talked about having the 25th amendment used against him and being impeached for a second time in the house and that's pure rudy giuliani advice. why the president for a nanosecond thinks he's in a good position and should double down on that theory in representation, i don't know. >> an interesting point. i was told from sources close to the president he initially in december knew he loss but wanted to make it hard on biden then started listening to rudy giuliani and then started to really believe in this fantasy that the election was stolen from him which we know is completely false. all right, ben ginsberg. thank you. >> thanks, pamela. >>> and reliving the insurrection. when we come back i'll speak to the photographer who captured one of america's darkest hours. and be sure to join cnn's wolf blitzer to the trump insurrection, 24 hours

discussion about insider threat, lawmakers potentially aiding or encouraging donald trump junior, rudy giuliani and the president himself encouraging this march, this storm. if you were in charge, would you look at whether or not they could be charged with a federal crime of inciting a riot? >> i would be. i assume the fbi and u.s. attorney's office are doing just that, looking not just at the attack talked and killed law enforcement officers, who is involved in the assault, who was part of it, maybe not physically but directing, organizing and inciting it. you have to take it all seriously, not just what happens on the hill in. >> if you were the fbi director today, on the other parts you feel would be important? are there things you think we should be prepared for us the public to see in the coming days and months? >> do two things at the same time, which i assume they are doing, looking backward at the attack and locking up everybody who dissipated, understand funded it and conspired but also look forward, the threat is ongoing. what we know about the threat not just the inauguration brother

rudy giuliani, a former u.s. attorney, former new york city mayor, talking about trial by combat, judy? >> this is part of the outrageous message that president trump and his acolyt acolytes, his lapdog loyalists, have been spewing for weeks, as steve pointed out, and today, it finally inspired the kind of danger to our democracy that people have been afraid of for weeks. i think if you compare the message of joe biden to donald trump today, you will see that joe biden effectively became the president today. his message was pitch-perfect, and he spoke as a president watched the violence on tv. it was joe biden's responsibility to call this for what it was, seditious behavior bordering on insurrection. it was his role to call for calm, and he did. it was his role to remind americans that we are better than that and that we still need to unite. what did donald trump do? he came out, finally, goaded by his aides to say something to stop the violence. he appeared almost giddy about the violence that his lie had inspi

and there's potential punishment for rudy giuliani. those are some of the headlines on the morning newsstand. "the washington post" reports rudy giuliani faces possible expulsion from the new york state bar association. the lawyers group said it will consider expelling president trump's personal attorney. hours before trump supporters stormed the capitol last week, giuliani encouraged them to fight the results by, quote, combat. a bar association spokesman said giuliani's words were intended to encourage trump supporters to take matters in their own hand. >>> the san diego union trib bin reports that gorillas at the san diego zoo have tested positive for covid-19. governor gavin newsom said two tested positive and two are showing symptoms. the zoo said it's the first known case of the virus affecting a great ape. it's believed that the gorillas could d have been n exposed tot virus byby an asymptptomatic st member who tested positive. >> but as we see it evolving everywhere around the world right now, we know it's evolving, it's changi

what we're all curious about, will he pardon himself, his son, rudy giuliani? all people implicated, who could face serious legal prosecution for inciting the mob that invaded the capitol. your take? >> john, with respect to the distraction point, let's just all agree not to be distracted. if he issues a bunch of really offensive pardons. we need to talk about them, it's important, but the real thing that really matters here is what went down at the capitol and the consequences of that. with respect to these pardons themselves, the kind of pardons you just laid out, they will backfire in a couple of ways. first of all, there is going to be a senate impeachment trial in all likelihood very soon. if the president abuses his power through an abuse of the pardon power, that very much could color the way that the senators look at the president and it could influence some of the verdicts. second of all, it will motivate state prosecutors who are not covered by a pardon to dig in and investigate. and third of all, back when i worked at the justice department, we used

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even if we have a moment in which we can say clearly the president and people like rudy giuliani hold moral culpability, moral responsibility for this, there is a separate question about whether or not they will meet that legal standard, that said, comments like those from rudy giuliani, saying, you know -- calling for trial by combat, literal calls for violence, that is incredibly strong evidence on the public record and it's not at all surprising that the u.s. attorney has said that they are looking at any and all actors who might have been involved in this, including the president himself. >> lower standard i would imagine for someone like giuliani might be disbarment, but i suppose let's see what happens before that. i want to ask you now about the president's desire to pardon himself. this has been out there for some time, but it's cnn's reporting that one reason he finally conceded the election yesterday though he did not mention president-elect biden's name was worry about his legal jeopardy, including from his actions on wednesday. now, the justice department office of legal c

i don't know how that legal strategy will fly, but giuliani also said that he would not rule out the president himself testifying in his senate trial. >> well, that would be something. our new poll shows that 68% of the country opposes the pardon, but the president still considering that? >> i'm told he's very much still considering it. he's been advised by all of the lawyers who are still here working at the white house not to do it, that it probably wouldn't stand up to constitutional scrutiny, and it could complicate efforts after he leaves the white house leaving the president vulnerable to civil lawsuits, but giuliani for his part, told me that he thinks the president would be fully justified in pardoning himself, and then he said about that concern about civil lawsuits, george, his legal life -- the president's legal life is going to be complicated no matter what. i would much rather have my civil life complicated, than my criminal life. that is what rudy giuliani said about a self-pardon. >> the trump white house has never been a conventional white house. i take it's more stra

giuliani whose confidence turned to him and suggested giuliani could help but he's going to want $2 million." from the "new york times." do those things need to be investigated whether or not, in fairness to this or any president, whether or not the president knew about such an illicit scheme in advance, if that reporting is anywhere near true it looks like a new legal problem for giuliani. >> yeah. since trump is stiffing him for his legal bills i guess rudy's figured out another way to get his legal fees. but it's certainly not a legal way to do it. and you know, again, you have to see if that report is accurate and so on. but if it is, it's a real problem. you can't -- you know, this is a majestic power of the president. it's a noble thing that madison and others put into the constitution about mercy. and it's emblematic of the trump presidency. he takes this noble thing and he perverts it in a way for him and his friends to get some bucks, stroke an ego or two and the like. you know, it's just -- it's so horrible and wrong. and yes, it will be the basis of a criminal investigation. >> a

take a look at rudy giuliani. they have to be transparent with the american people about that to earn their trust. i think that judge garland and the u.s. attorneys are going to have to redouble their efforts to lead into the transparency piece. i know there are people that will tell the truth. but i will not get -- you will not get to trust without giving transparency to the american people. gerald ford did an asteroid everything. he went by himself to the house of representatives, the president of the united states and sat alone at a witness table and explained to the american people why. i don't know how they will approach these prosecutions, how they will approach the question of donald trump but whatever they decide to do, they have to share the y with the american people to generate that trust. host: it is a really interesting challenge. it is a very daunting one. i want to thank you for the time you have given us. i want to ask you one last question. what is next for jim comey? mr. comey: not this. i love y

you can't even get giuliani? we are still on pardon watch. multiple news organizations now reporting that tomorrow and wednesday morning we should expect a gigantic tide of dozens of pardons from trump, possibly more than 100. "new york times" reporting there's a brisk market on people selling access to the president so people can get one of those pardons. that's a nice way to go out. the president does decide he's going to write a whole new chapter of constitutional contests by trying to issue a pardon to himself, a lot of legal observers are warning that may raise the chances that trump could face federal criminal charges after he leaves office. the only way to determine the constitutionality of a self-pardon by a president would be to actually charge that president with a federal crime and thereby test it. if that were laying around untested and nobody knew if that self-pardon from trump was effective or just an assertion or it wasn't a constitutional thing, that's like in a play leaving around a proverbial loaded gun. you wouldn't do that

rudy giuliani spotted at the white house. an interview in abc says rudy is thinking about the senate trial and how to defend trump. and then in the middle of the night you get the trump campaign coming out with a curious statement. i think we can put it on screen. he tweeted out this saying trump has not made a determination which lawyer or law firm will represent him. and then notice how he goes on here and tries to turn the claims about the riot into claims about the impeachment. he says it's a disgraceful attack on our constitution and democracy known as the impeachment hoax. sorry, but words still have meaning. the impeachment is real. it is not a hoax. and by the way, why does trump still have a campaign apparatus? he lost the campaign more than two months ago. it is notable pushing back on rudy giuliani saying, hey, not so fast. trump's not sure who is going to represent him at the trial. rudy said if he proves the voter fraud lies are true or, quote, true enough, then that would let trump off the hook because you can't

giuliani knows that. he also, i believe, you know, he has some ethical standards as a member of the bar. he knows that what he said was not true. but our state senate did not ask us to come in there so that we could rebut what they said. and it was actually left as the gospel truth, and it wasn't. it was fabricated. >> pelley: in the call, president trump slanders one of the election workers in the video, a woman named ruby freeman, who georgia officials say is not suspected of tampering with anything. >> trump: 18,000 voters having to do with ruby freeman. she's a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler, ruby freeman. that was the tape that's been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad. >> pelley: the president claimed freeman put the so-called" ballots hidden in suitcases" through the counter three times resulting in 54,000 bogus votes. >> trump: and brad, why did they put the votes in three times? they put them in three times. >> raffensperger: mr. president, they did not

when he asked trump's lawyer rudy giuliani for help getting a pardon, an associate said it would cost him $2 million. kiriakou didn't pay and was not on trump's pardon list. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. joe biden is being inaugurated today as the 46th president of the united states. he is taking the oath of office at noon today, putting an end to the tumultuous single term of donald trump, and taking on the handling of a devastating pandemic. on tuesday evening, biden and incoming historic vice president kamala harris led a national mourning for coronavirus victims at the lincoln memorial. 400 lights illuminated the reflecting pool, representing the over 400,000 people who died from covid-19 in the u.s. biden and harris both spoke at the memorial. mr. biden: to heal, we must remember. it is hard sometimes to remember , but that is how we heal. it is important to do that as a nation. that is why we are here today. harris: for many months we have grieved by ourselves. tonight, we grieve and begin heali

take a look at rudy giuliani. whatever they decide to do, i'm not telling them what to do but they have to be transparent to the american people about that earn their trust. i think judge garland and the u.s. attorneys are going to have to redouble their efforts to lean into the transparency peace. i know there are people who going to tell the truth. but you're not going to get to trust with out also giving transparency to the american people. gerald ford did an extraordinary thing after he decided not to pursue criminal prosecution of richard nixon after watergate but he went by himself to the house of representatives the president of the united states and sat alone at a witness table and explained to the american people why. and i don't know how they will approach these prosecutions, how they approach the question of donald trump for the whatever they decide to do, they have to show the y with the american people to generate that trust. >> it is a really interesting challenge for it is a very daunting one. i wan