michaels: yeah. rubenstein: and how do you coach them, and "maybe you could do a better job and be ready"? michaels: you can get almost anyone through it. rubenstein: what does it take to be a leader? michaels: if you are in power, i think everybody sort of knows yore in power, so don't ever have to explain you're in power. woman: would you fix your tie, please? rubenstein: well, people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed, but ok. just leave it this way? all right. i don't consider myself a journalist, and nobody else would consider myself a journalist. i began to take on the life of being an interviewer, even though i have a day job of running a private equity firm. how do you define leadership? what is it that makes somebody tick? did you think at the beginning that you were going to change television history and the history of comedy when you were starting that show in 1975? michaels: i don't think i thought of it in those terms, but i thought that if we actually got on the air and did the s

michael: correct, it is a partnership. that is the way in which dhs works with state and local partners on a whole host of security issues to protect our infrastructure against attacks like terrorists or foreign nations. elliot: i mentioned the dominion voting systems lawsuit, and i'm sure you saw this video that was going around about someone walking through and how votes could actually be changed. i'm wondering if you have any thoughts on that, or the lawsuits in general, where you think they are going to end up. michael: well, i haven't seen the video, but i'm not aware of any evidence that these machines somehow altered votes or were rigged in some way. frankly, i understand why these committees are suing. what they are basically saying is put your money where your mouth is. if you can prove something, fine. if you can't, you are going to pay us, because you damaged us. there needs to be accountability, and there are people who unbelievably responsible made up accusations that undermine faith in government, and also no

michael. it's obvious the supreme court will toss out the 30 million votes illegally mailed in by george soros. so what should president trump do with the second term? >> president trump should keep doing what he has been doing the same time which is making america great again. you know these lives get so emotional. they can never come up with an cogent argument its emotions, emotions cry, cry. the present is going to keep making them cry because that's what he does he makes america great again. any links to liberal tears. smacked dave anything to add to that? >> i was on ironically completely sold by that pre-there's some good points of that. no it makes liberals quiet quite like donald trump very good job michael. i'm excited respect the judges impressed so far, guy has your first question. there's no other way to see the biden blowout than as a mandate for nancy pelosi. what should america's most beloved legislature do with the power of the people? >> guy benson. smacked the mandate is the

ellen's son michael was using them. he had followed in mike's shoes and had become a mechanic as well. and on those rare occasions when ellen would come by the shop where mike had once worked, his old colleague dave siler would ask -- >> have you heard from mike and she would say no. there seemed to be no concern for mike and she would just like no, i haven't seen mike. >> it is often said the happiness and saddest of occasions bring mike's family together. and when mike's family gathered to mourn the death of mike's father, any hope they had left for mike's return evaporated. >> that definitely was probably the final straw where we were all on board that my brother would have definitely have shown up for his own father's funeral. >> but ellen and her children did show up. they no longer kept in touch with mike's side of the family, but they'd seen the death announcement in the newspaper and came to pay their respects. >> we weren't expecting them. so it was a little strange, kind of caught us off guard but once again w

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>> no, said barbara, it was all ex-husband michael wolfe's doing. his guilt, she said, make sense of his strange behavior during their time in arizona, particularly the weekend david disappeared. a weekend when, barbara says, that her ex-husband was not with her at home. >> he would always go on business trips, and every time i asked, he would tell me, don't worry about it, you know, i've got business to take care of. >> but she knew nothing at all about the murder, she insisted, until the penny dropped during a conversation years later with her father. >> i'm like, i wonder, you know, what he's doing or i wonder if he's coming back, you know, i wonder where he's at or what happened. and he would just be like, you don't have to worry, you know, he's not around to bother you. >> what was that like to deal with? >> very, very rough. you know, it's like, it's my dad. i couldn't accept it. and what satisfaction did it get, you know? i mean did it satisfy him because it sure didn't satisfy me. >> still, in december of 2007, it was detective velasquez who

michael: thank you. lisa: tom, we have one hour, 50 minutes until the initial jobless claims report from the u.s. one thing we don't stress enough is the ongoing bifurcation in the labor market. fed said yesterday the lowest can tile of u.s. earners, the unemployment is more than 20%. that compares with less than 5% for the top, talking this cap widening. you wonder about the longer-term structural consequences. tom: a quintile is a fifth, it is a hunk of the public. so glad you brought it up. the week has been nuts. i didn't realize it was thursday. you bring up claims. another statistic, whatever, i don't have it in front of me but normal is 220,000 and we are miles from it. lisa: it is 700,000. tom: excuse me. [laughter] would you like to go to fewer digits? lisa: i am trying to work for my vacation. tom: lisa is killing it. take it 787,000 436. you are worse than jonathan. [laughter] lisa: is that a compliment? [laughter] i will take it. tom: we have been football free this week. lisa: i know. we hav

michael: yes and no. in general we have seen a lot of people go -- we have seen consumer spending moved from services to goods producing. factories have been able to keep people more separated where you can't do that at the dry cleaner or the restaurant. there has been that dichotomy. the one caution i would give you is that this is the re-benchmarking of -- rebenchmarking month so the numbers are not comparable to what they were in december. for the most part, they will not be different in terms of jobs created but in terms of overall population and how many people are looking for jobs, there is probably a difference. lisa: thank you so much for all of that. in anrst loss in jobs entire month since april. job losses,ave of the second wave of the coronavirus, and the second wave of pain hopefully jerking congress into more action. that is the opinion of jeffrey .osenberg, joining us right now your thoughts on this report? >> i think you are right. see higher yields on what is a very disappointing report a

michael pence of the state of indiana has received 232 votes. the announcement of the state of the vote by the president of the senate shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons elected president and vice president of the united states. each for the term beginning on the 20th day of january, 2021. they shall be entered together with the list of the votes on the journals of the senate and the house of representatives. the chair now recognizes for the purpose of closing prayer the 62nd chaplain of the united states senate, chaplain barry black. >> let us pray. lord of our lives and sovereign weour beloved nation, deplore the desecration of the ,nited states capitol building ,he shedding of innocent blood loss-of-life, and the quagmire of dysfunction that threatened our democracy. tragedies have reminded us that words matter, and that the power of life and death is in the tongue. we have been warned that eternal beilance continues to freedom's price. lord, you have helped us remember that we need to see in humanityr a common that refle

peter does not have the right oh all right thanks michael peter did unrest keep fodor's from going to the polls. yes in quite a number of places there was there was it wasn't secure it wasn't safe there was unrest so there has been. at least 14 out of i think it was 80 different regions there was no possibility for people to go and vote so yes yes and yes michael the opposition had tried to delay this election will they accept the result i mean what happens next. well i think the opposition is initially complaining that maybe perhaps there were some that are frauds however that hasn't been investigated does not mean it pressed together then it's not so much of a big deal. for this particular election i mean if you actually compare what happened the center of republic c. minus for example where some 700 point stations could not operate and some for thousands of other places there were destruct in a mist bomb scare and mortar shells in could our region from arcady that if you compare that to happen essentially a republic you could actually say that central african republic did my expect

first george bush winning over michael dukakis. that was an election where bush got 53.6% of the vote, higher than any president has gotten in any popular vote percentage since 1988. bush carried in metro boston, metro new york, metro philadelphia, metro cleveland, metro detroit, metro los angeles. that was because affluent areas, the suburbs to put it in demographic shorthand, were voting for him by large margins. that affluent support has changed. bill clinton started making gains for democrats in the 1990's, even as democrats were losing in the south and in particular in the rural south. those changes that happened over time. trump's appeal to non-college-educated voters and his repulsion to many college-educated voters has amplified or increased those trends, but they have been part of the political landscape now for a considerable amount of time. the regions have been going on for 50 years. now you have states like arizona and georgia suddenly starting to look more like northern areas because those affluent voters who had been

michael r. pence of the state of indiana received nine votes for vice president. >> are there any objections to counting the certificate of the vote of the state of south haslina that the teller verified appears to be regular and authentic? , this certificate from south dakota, the parliamentarians advised is the only certificate of vote from that state that purports to be returned from the state and that is annexed through the certificate of authority from the state purporting to appoint an edge electors. >> mr. president, there sniffed offorget -- the certificate the state seemed to be authentic and it appears therefrom that donald j. trump of the state of florida received three votes for president and michael r. pence of the state of indiana received three votes for vice president. >> are there any objections to counting the certificate of the vote of the state of south dakota that the tellers verified appears to be regular and -- in form and authentic? this certificate from tennessee, the pa

i bring back michael in the conversation with the senator. michael, it is a new era. the rule of law and precedent matter, and the senator makes the argument that is widely supported, that you can bar for life. the question to you, michael, should the senate do that based on the available evidence? >> has to go forward, and i think all available evidence will lead to a cop conviction. and it should at the end of the day. look, this is about accountability. donald trump's entire presidency has been about what he thought he could get away with. the fact that he had a complicit and compliant republican leadership that was afraid for whatever political reasons they were afraid of him, they did nothing. and so all of this narrative has built to this consequential moment. we watched with our own eyes and heard with our own ears the president instigate what happened on january 6th. and fellow republicans in the senate do the same. so tell me where accountability begins and ends here, and why should you not be held accountable for those actions? and i don't care if you're not

we will hear from michael barone . michael: hello, everybody. it is both a pleasure and a privilege to be here this morning with probably the greatest living student of american political parties and most interesting analyst of american politics. some of you, i'm sure, know of michael barone because of his pioneering work as cofounder of the almanac of american politics, a book that has been close to a bible for american politics as there has been for decades now. he is also one of the most interesting students of the republican party in particular. and given the dramatic events of the last couple of months, it's the republican party we will be talking about today. so, let me just ask to kick things off -- what is the state of the republican party today as president biden settles into the white house? the state of the republican party today is in the eyes of some observers almost terminal. sure to be driven apart by chisms, repudiated by the voters. i think the republican party is about as good a shape as a party that has lost the presidency, lo

michael: reports are it will cost around $2 trillion. is that the ballpark figure you think is necessary? mary: i will let congress and the president-elect debate the actual amounts. my focus is how long is the bridge and when are we investing in. supporting businesses and thinking about infrastructure investment that we should come back to a better future. michael: it brings us around to where we started -- what is the toll for the bridge? investors think all this additional money is going to create inflation. what is your view? mary: and little inflation would be a welcome thing. we came through a 10-year expansion where we couldn't get inflation up to target. we will get inflation back up to 2%. i'm not at all worried that there is a run-up in inflation around the corner that we need to preemptively stave off. if you grew up in the 1970's and 1980's, we remember that. getting inflation back to 2% on average, eliminating what is pervasive in the economy right now. michael: we are seeing strong personal income because of transfer paymen

michael beard was the first to go to trial. in court he recanted his confession and changed his account of the murder. but prosecutor weeden whetmore said evidence put beard at the crime scene. >> his dna was found where she had fled after being struck in the head with the murder weapon. >> reporter: it took jurors only seven hours to convict him. >> jury finds michael beard guilty of what the prosecution is calling a murder for hire scheme. >> if beard's case had been a slam dunk for investigators, tom clayton's would be anything but. the prosecutor knew he couldn't use beard to testify against tom. >> even if he came forward and said i want to testify now, he had lied so many times. he had lied at his own trial. >> beard had changed his story so much at his own trial that he wouldn't have been a credible witness. >> tom and his lawyer pounced on that, telling reporters that beard acted on his own. >> this is purely mr. beard's doing. what we do know is that mr. clayton had nothing to do with the death of his wife. >> and tom'

michael bishop. michael is a consultant in the office of the chairman of the national endowment of the humanities. prior to that he served as the national director of the churchill library center at george washington university in d.c., and he also served as executive director of the international churchill society. some of you, many of you know that the museum has had a longstanding relationship with the local branch of the churchill society. the churchill society of new orleans, and with him being half american, we feel we can keep covering winston as much as we want, but we certainly enjoyed watching michael and his affiliates do great works around the country. michael was in charge of putting their 34th and 35th churchill conference together and we're not quite caught up to that with our international conferences, but being involved in the conferences, i know how much of a beast that is. who here has seen the finest hour? sorry, the darkest hour. finest hour is a book. darkest hour. you can thank

just a few of the reactions coming in there and my colleague michael kruger has also been following the responses on social media what are you seeing micah 1st of all we could really tweets on and on for hours and also the hollywood celebrity celebrities react with shock and anger also some of those who had sympathies for donald trump in the past they all raise their voice now and as far as i witnessed what's going on on social media right now is that they all. have to do with one question so how could that happen and and we all how could they come and get in so easily and i wish i would have said we all have off course and we all have those pictures in minds of the summer with a like a live met at met his movement and so the rep a 50 cent he tweeted this maybe we can have a look for the record this was the u.s. capitol during the protests and we have also khalidi be the red perp the irony is pretty funny when people just wild animals and the some of my. justice and now. and the model chloe kadesh and post the p. to me of white privilege how disturbing sick to my stomach but there are a

michael beschloss stays with us. i'll turn to other experts from "the new york times" michelle goldberg and rnc chairman and michael steele who endorlsed joe biden. twitter suspending donald trump permanently. this is a development that has major media and political ramifications, particularly with a politician who has rode tweets into the white house quite literally. michael steele, your reaction? >> thank you, hello. we've been talking in this space about this for awhile now, okay, better late than never. a lot of damage done. understood. be prepared for the noise of the anti tech stuff and how big tech is undermining the president and the other side of the coin we need to be vigilant about. there are other sites down that are being created informing like parlor and others where this will continue to go on and fester. so it is important that we be prepared and recognize not just what's in front of us in terms of twitter, facebook, instagram and the other big name institutions. what's on the side and behind us. that

michael mckee? michael: we have a lot of different numbers coming out. retail sales is the headline and the one coming out most slowly. manufacturing 3.5, down from 4.9. no surprise. final demand is up .3% on the month, year-over-year at .8%. no inflation into the system. retail sales down by .7%. the forecast was for flat, so it is much worse than forecast. plus, revisions to the prior month for november down 1.7%. originally estimated to be down 1.1%. the retail control group, which is what everybody looks at, is down 1.9%. the forecast was 4.1% gain. here is the bad news. let's see your reaction to this. november revised down from -1.1% to -1.37%. i don't know what people were doing, but not a lot of christmas shopping it appears. lisa: this is a big wow. they looked at the downside surprise and said, did people delay purchases or not buy at all? this suggests people curbed purchases which suggests a greater deceleration in the economy than previously expected. tom: michael, you are the expert. i want to go to the control group. you will explain what

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michael: yes i do. we agree with the sentiment the economy had few imbalances when it headed into the pandemic, the pandemic being a discrete shock on one particular set of the labor markets. i think the economy has generally followed most people's upside case, the base case scenario in terms of how quickly vaccines have, and how quickly monetary and fiscal policy has been. if we are on the path to population unity, we would expect scarring in labor markets to be limited. we think you can get a lot of employment growth over the next few years which can be soaked up by a rise in parsippany tatian -- in participation, therefore not as much near-term inflationary pressure. lisa: going forward, a lot of people point to the shift in the labor market that were accelerated during the pandemic. sonali basak put out a piece in the magazine we have talking about the biggest risk big wall street bankers are concerned about. one of them is the increasing irrelevance of lower skilled workers and the idea that will b

michael mckee will be on tv and go the fish .1%. -- go 3.1%. francine: -- michael: there will be a battle over the benchmark. i think they will remain calm, particularly if they feel it is commodity-driven inflation which they are inclined to view as transitive. i think that is simplistic. jerome powell iterated do not want to make another mistake of hiking early. they are very much focused on the labor market, they're not even focused on the headline number like unemployment. there focused on minority employment. they want to be part of a social engineering project to make this country better for the majority of people. it is a laudable aim. it is an aim which is more likely to be inflationary. francine: what part of the market right now is running hot? michael: i think the degree of issuance and the enthusiasm which we see -- which is mostly technology. that is worrying. i would not worry about the moves in commodities. you may have the pullback you saw in mood -- in mid-2004. the cap globally is breaking out. the emerging market complex, for

michael, is institutional knowledge. e.michael: yes, the best book tt everybody that hung biden, is that the senate will hold his experience that's not an actual person. and mitt romney used to be in the united states senate. and that is to still and involved with the institutions around the country. he was able to walk with that kind of a walk. without being man's a pansy because going to be necessary to be bold these moments. certainly when it comes to us what to do with police in america and the killing of innocent black people. and of the people of color. we've got to make it work. he's gonna let people know where he is coming from. assume that happened with biden under this last campaign in a way that it didn't see a lot of it before. maybe there is somebody is listening to other voices because he is an experienced and been around for a long time. things have been changing in the country. the new you look now about all kinds of things sorted be necessary. with areas are not cummings of us find out. the respect that

steele, oh, no, we have two michael steels tonight, in the same two-hour broadcast. please welcome back to the broadcast, michael steel, who is former press secretary for former house speaker john boehner and a guy who knows the hill very well. also with us, another returning guest, glen kirshner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc

i'm michael holmes. ahead here on "cnn newsroom," donald trump lawyering up as calls for another impeachment grow even louder. and if impeachment doesn't work out, vice president pence has reportedly not ruled out using the 25th amendment. also, authorities make some arrests following wednesday's capitol breach. the latest on the search for more suspects. ♪ >> it is just a matter of days donald trump could be impeached for the second time as the magnitude of the deadly riot he incited comes into sharper focus. a political reckoning now looming. an article of impeachment could come as soon as monday, unless the president resigns, of course. even some republicans say he went too far. >> i have to say, i do think the president's behavior this week does disqualify him from serving. but we've got ten days left, 11 days left. he is not going to be serving after that time. one of the things i'm concerned about, frankly, is whether the house would completely politic sigh something. i do think the president com

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michael harrison rap on wank f.m. in washington and other stations across the usa what's on the show this weekend michael well certainly we have the senate impeachment trial certainly we have a lot of talk about the 1st amendment people are all over there really upset over the fact that some of these platforms these social media platforms are taking people down and there's a big discussion this weekend on our show about the difference between the letter of the law for the 1st amendment and the spirit of free speech per the 1st amendment 2 very different things talk media freaks will enjoy this program indeed . thank you for explaining that difference which is largely misunderstood michael harrison talker's dot com thank you for stepping into the big picture as corporate media cuts have savaged news coverage and consumers gather news from opinion shows and social media larry king hoped as we do that more of us will question more i hope. intense coverage of events comes back i hope we get news other than politics on the

michael: 1.25 percent has been our level. i know friday, lisa and i had a great conversation about foreign rates. you look at what is priced in. is really important. the 5-year note is only at 0.5%, but it is priced to be 1.8% in just five years. so basically, if you are short duration, you are effectively betting they are going to go above that forward rate, and we don't think the 5-year note is going to be 1.8% or the 10 year note is going to be at 2.25% in 10 years. with think the fed is going to be between 0% and 1% for the rest of our lives, so a 10-year note just above 1% is attractive. lisa: we did have a fantastic conversation friday. you say bonds getting cheaper, stocks getting more expensive. can you get that bond rally without a stock selloff? possibly. i could see maybe at some point in the next weeks or months, if rates keep pushing higher and it causes investors to pull back, it causes valuations on the stock market to pull back, it causes people maybe to think twice about refinancing their mortgage, you could

we will do that with michael mckee. michael: we have the numbers out now. there are a lot of numbers. we will start with jobless claims, they have been most important to the markets. 900,000, still elevated, but lower than the forecast for 935,000. and this is probably the first week that's not completely distorted by holidays, so it is a relatively clean read. and it shows that we are still seeing a lot of layoffs. we had the caveat of how many people may be fraudulently claiming commendable claiming, but 900,000 is still a lot. it adds urgency to the joe biden effort to try to keep the economy going at this point. the other big number of the day, housing starts at 1,000,606 9000 at an annual rate, much better than the forecast of 1.5 6 million. and so it does suggest that the housing industry remains on fire, 5.8% gain. building permits at 1.70 9 million. that is an increase of 4.5%. it suggests strength in the housing market. mortgage rates are low. the interest rate sensitive sectors of the economy are responding. the other number out this hour, the phi

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michael michael any new thoughts today have you changed. your mind about some things one we're hearing invoking 25th amendment and and impeachment and then i've been reading other other people who are saying both. >>are having their you're okay. we're having some audio issues we're back with you. that's >>thanks for having me i think that it would have been nice for betsy and 4. elaine chao on the way out the door to have signed the land that are invoking the 25th courage right now is a little bit too little too late real courage would have been to stand up to the president and said you're unfit to hold office any longer and invoke the 25th this will make it harder in some ways to do may be easier to continue the acting secretary us. i think impeachment is still very much on the table. but i think that you know what we're what we're facing here as you put it what kind of sanctions what kind of punishment are going to come to the people who were not just the ones who were in that capital and desecrating it's it's it's hallowed halls but the

area michael donated at least 500 snack packs filled with chocolates and candy canes >> michael, fantastic. god bless. >> reporter: michael delivers the snack packs with the help of his family and buys supplies from kind donations to his go fund me page the teen's goal for 2021 >> is like waking up in the morning and every single day i affecting someone else's life. >> reporter: making life sweeter for all. >> that's going to do it for us. if your child has a question, e-mail it to us @nightly news. new episodes are posted every thursday on nbcnews.co and peacock. thanks for watching everyone, remember take care of yourself and each other >>> good morning. it is saturday, january 23rd. we are taking a live look outside at downtown san jose. this is market and santa clara. some cloudy skies there. a chilly morning indeed. we thank you for starting your saturday morning with us. i'm kira klapper. vianey arana joins us with a look at your microclimate forecast. we had wet weather behind us. it sounds like wet weather ahead. today will be the day to get out. >> that's the perfect way to put it

and michael got it made in 1974. that was something that was a hell of a movie you know just a terrific and they even watch it today i have a lot more hair i was thinner and the hated anyone more than the nurse i had the big nurse was like a real beotch bobby no son on facebook you directed and starred in the classic dark comedy film the war of the roses you have any special memories or reflections from your work on that movie well it's how i found that movie ok michael leeson who wrote it. a good friend won out of the book born alledge the book. michael and i worked on taxi he was a writer on taxi and a very good writer and we were walking were working in his office develop he was developing some other idea prison movie that he wanted to do about prison reform and and we were beating ourselves you know pitching the ideas and sitting in the every day we going to work and i would bring rice cakes and dates and. raisins and whatever to and i said one day let's get out of here you know let's go down the block pico boule

moore michael we're also hearing a lot of entertainers calling for social media reforms what can you tell us about that just quickly sasha baron cohen for example as in the role of bharat and he was also very critical about social media and he posted this facebook and twitter getting trump a little time out is not enough to investigate an act of domestic terrorism against america facebook and twitter have banned other extremists permanently they must bend trump permanently now but to be honest i don't know if this is the solution solution big because they are already so many other alternative platforms right like like parlor where all the yes the far right have gone michael kruger thanks very much. and i'm joined by my next guest now american political filmmaker and former white house videographer to president obama around choudary around thanks for coming on arts and culture you have built a career on the emotional and political impact of images so what was going through your mind when you saw these pictures of men and women storming the u.s. capitol yeah really striking images and