brodd. they really made their points very clear. and sara had mentioned about gifts to the prosecution. testimony about things like, he was resting comfortably on the street. which the jurors saw the video. they know he wasn't resting comfortably. saying the police don't have to fight fair. and going back to the doctor. he also gave a great gift to the prosecution when he said things like, well, it could have been homicide for exposing him to carbon monoxide. that's creating a whole new thing. and then, i have to say that calling dr. tobin was fabulous. dr. fowler opened up the door to doing that. dr. tobin, the prosecution witness, was a phenomenal witness. he had the jury feeling their throat, feeling the back of their neck. and doing the internalization of what george floyd was going through. he really related with them. and so being able to close the case on rebuttal with a great witness which they wouldn't have been able to do, if he hadn't lied. and now, in closing argument, i predict that you will hear, if he was wrong about

. >> reporter: this past week brodd testified as a defense expert. he said that he believes derek chauvin followed his police training when he knelt on george floyd for more than nine minutes. the defense used him to paint a crowd of witnesses as a threat. >> i could see that officer chauvin's focus started to move from mr. floyd to the crowd. to one point i think officer chauvin felt threatened enough he withdrew his pepper spray canister and gave commands to the crowd to stay back. >> reporter: prosecutors showed a video of the crowd around the scene. in downtown santa rosa, police say it appears the same vandals targeted a large hand statue in front of the santa rosa plaza mall overnight. the suspects left a sign and had a picture of a pig. it has since been cleaned up. plus say suspects seen leaving the area matched the descriptions of the people who vandalized the west santa rosa house earlier in the night. this former officer has not lived in this house for a number of years. now, als wee the cef said that mr. brodd's comments do not reflect th

brodd was unlikable. i don't know why the defense put him on other than they maybe couldn't find anyone else to testify for derek chauvin. he failed at the laquan mcdonald trial so i mean i don't know if his track record was so good. what was really critical about this expert is that he was trying desperately to show in a very clinical way that use of force has to be done, you know, compliant with police procedures, et cetera. the problem is the defense must assume that the jury is not paying attention because we heard from the actual guy, lieutenant mercil who said that technique that derek chauvin used is not taught by the minnesota pd so we already have the person who is actually in charge of everything including the chief of police saying we don't condone this. we don't authorize this and the other critical mistake made by the defense was through this guy, barry brodd. he said, you know what, you have to look at what the reasonable officer was doing, meaning we need to put the jury in the shoes of thi

i all you have to know... -- all you half to know about barry brodd is| half to know about barry brodd is managing any person. his opinion is you can use nondeadly force to physically manage a person. —— all you have to know. it is all within the model of the mpd decision—making model. ifound the most the model of the mpd decision—making model. i found the most interesting person to be relevant to the use of force lieutenantjohnny mercil considering that he is derek chauvin's actual use of force trainer. so the best glimpse that we are going to get into the training of a minneapolis police officer comes from the trainer who conducts the training. he has conducted hundreds of trainings over the years. he corrected the state at certain times in terms of how strike charts don't apply to restraint techniques. he said the knee on the neckis techniques. he said the knee on the neck is not an unauthorised move and he said that it can be utilised in certain circumstances. he described using a knee on the neck and back and stated that it could be there for an extended period of time def

. >> reporter: the defense calling former officer barry brodd as a use of force expert. >> i felt that officer chauvin's interactions with mr. floyd were following his training, following current practices in policing and were objectively reasonable. >> reporter: in fact, brodd testifying that chauvin didn't actually use force at all when he pinned floyd down. >> why is it not a use of force? >> because that's a control technique. without -- it doesn't hurt. >> reporter: but the prosecutor pushing back, showing this picture. chauvin with his knee on floyd'. >> orienting yourself on top of a person on the pavement with both legs is unlikely to produce pain? >> it could. >> what do you mean, it could? >> i'm saying it could produce pain. >> if this act that we're looking at here in exhibit 17 could produce pain, would you agree that what we're seeing here is a use of force? >> shown in this picture, that could be a use of force. >> reporter: the jury today also hearing for the first time from an officer who responded to the scene. peter chang of the minneapolis park police, who showed up

brodd left the force in 2004. the police chief said brodd's values do not reflect that of the department. >>> the state reports having a two-week supply of vaccines. on average the state administers 379,000 doses every single day. the world past 3 million deaths due to the coronavirus. >>> as more people are getting their second pfizer and moderna shots, medical experts are seeing that women and younger people are having having effects. a ucf expert spoke about what's happening. >> reporter: for 24 hours, these were the side effects she went through after her second shot. >> i had a high fever and felt like sandpaper on my bones. >> reporter: dr. rutherford said these side effects are normal because the immune response to the second shot is even stronger. >> a spike protein that purchased na cells the mrna cells are tricking. >> reporter: reports of side effects were higher among women. why is it that women and young adults are having more reactions. >> women should have stronger immune responses because they have

a level. >> reporter: but during cross- examination, the prosecution wasted no time in questioning brodd's judgment. >> what part of this is not compliant? >> so i see his arm position in the picture that's posted. >> right... >> reporter: that a complaint person would have both their hands in the small of their back and be resting comfortably, versus like he's still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably? >> reporter: the defense contended heart disease and illicit drugs killed george floyd, not use of force by chauvin. >> open your mouth, spit out what you got, spit out what you got! >> reporter: defense played this police body cam video of a 2019 arrest of george floyd, saying how he could be affected by opioid. scott creighton, a former narcotics investigator with the minneapolis police department was the arresting officer. >> the passenger was unresponsive and non-compliant. >> reporter: still, floyd ultimately complied with police. >> i apologize, man. >> reporter: the majority of jurors were paying very close attention to testimony today and were seen taking lots of notes

rested and the defense immediately began building its case, calling on use offer force expert barry brodd. >> i felt that derek chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness. >> reporter: defense attorney eric nelson addressed head on derek chauvin's decision to keep george floyd handcuffed and prone, kneeling on his neck for more than nine minutes. >> in your opinion, was this a use of deadly force. >> it was not. police officers don't have to fight fair. they're allowed to overcome your resistance by going up a level. >> reporter: but during cross- examination, the prosecution wasted no time in questioning brodd's judgment. questioning bro >> what part of this is not compliant? >> so i see his arm position in the picture that's posted. >> right. >> reporter: that a complaint person would have both their hands in the small of their back and be resting comfortably, versus like he's still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably? >> reporter: the defense contended heart disease and illicit drugs killed george floyd, not use of force by chauvin. >> open your mouth

brodd. >> mr. nelson? >> thank you very much. good afternoon, mr. brodd. >> good afternoon. >> are you currently employed? >> i am. >> and where are you so employed? >> self-employed as i own a consulting company bvb and associates. >> what areas do you consult in? >> police practices and use of force. >> all right. now, did you have a career as a police officer prior to starting your company? >> i did. >> can you, for the jury, please describe generally your education that you received in order to become a police officer? >> so i have a bachelor's degree in law enforcement from george mason university, which is in fairfax, virginia. i have a california community college teaching credential from san francisco state university. and i'm a graduate of the labor management relations program at university of california at davis. >> and did you serve as a licensed police officer in various capacities? >> i did. >> when did you start your law enforcement career? >> so when i graduated college i was a seasonal police officer in ocean city, maryland. then i

barry brodd no longer lives in santa rosa. the city police chief said his testimony quote does not reflect the values and belief of the department. >>> let's talk about covid-19. california will hit a milestone with vaccinations. just under 10 million are fully vaccinated against covid-19. the state reports having two weeks supply of doses on hand despite the pause with the johnson & johnson vaccine. on average, the state is administering 375,000 doses a single day. there is one sadder note in these headlines. the world passed 3 million deaths due to the coronavirus. >>> as more people are rsecond experts are realizing women and younger people are having were side effects. abc7 news luz pena as part of the team. toan expe ppwhyou sho >> reporter: for 24 hours, these were the side effects she went through after her second pfizer shot. >> i had a high fever and my bones felt like sandpaper, they were sanding my bones. >> reporter: a specialist says these side effects after the second shots are normal because the immune response

i brodd delivering for the defence here. , , ,.,, brodd delivering for the defence here. , ., , here. i suppose in a way, he is the advocate of _ here. i suppose in a way, he is the advocate of derek _ here. i suppose in a way, he is the advocate of derek chauvin, - advocate of derek chauvin, describing the actions that a police officer may take. are we any closer to whether derek chauvin might testify as well in his own words? we don't testify as well in his own words? : don't know, that's the short answer. the longer answer is there's a possibility, a slim possibility, but still a chance that derek chauvin himself might take the stand. it might be tomorrow or thursday. the attorneys usually want to keep that open because they want to see if he can make a case with the jury about who he is, especially for derek chauvin, because this case had such a public outcry across the world. he's become a picture of a bad cop. the disadvantage is a he would get cross—examined, and he could get brutalfor him. —— that cross—examined, and he could get brutal for him. —— that could cross

brodd at all. but throughout my career, i have seen individuals that will try to do whatever it takes to justify the actions of a police officer that are simply not justifiable. and so that's part of a problem we have in policing and people like that just add to it. there's a problem we have that deals with training, hiring, use of force and deals with all those kinds of things that have to be addressed. national standards have to be set. and i believe the president has to lead that effort, much like president obama did with the 21st century task force. >> you get a big picture here that this trial is a major legal test of the extent of justified use of force by police with still an uncertain outcome. laura coates, charles ramsey, thanks to both of you. >>> the cdc will hold an emergency meeting today to discuss whether the johnson & johnson vaccine is safe to continue to use. what they did yesterday was a temporary pause. dr. fauci weighed in this morning. that's next. >>> new reporting overnight.

. >> reporter: the other side slammed brodd's testimony. >> what part of this is not compliant? >> i see his arm position in the picture that's posted that a compliant person would have both of their hands in the small of their back and be resting comfortably versus he's still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably. >> or lying comfortably. >> resting comfortably on the pavement. >> yes. >> at this time he's attempting to breathe as his shoulder is shoved into the pave management. >> signs of what a perfectly compliant person would be. >> so attempting to breathe while restrained is being slightly non-compliant? >> no. >> reporter: the defense starting tuesday's session showing body camera footage from when floyd was arrested in 2019 with testimony from an officer who arrested him as well as a paramedic who treated him that day. >> i asked him why. he said because he was addicted. >> reporter: prosecutors pushing back against one of the defense's central arguments saying floyd's drug use play nod impact in his death in 2020. >> mr. floyd didn't drop dead while you int

barry brodd no longer lives in santa rosa. the city police chief said his testimony does not reflect the values and beliefs of the department. >>> now to the pandemic. california will hit a milestone with vaccinations. just under 10 million people are now fully vaccinated in california. the state reports having weeks supply of doses on hand despite the pause with the johnson & johnson vaccine. on average the state is administering 379,000 doses every single day. there's one sad note on the headlines. the world past due to the coronavirus. >>> is more are getting their second pfizer and moderna shots, medical experts are realizing women and younger people are having more side effects. luz pena spoke to a ucsf expert who expands what's happening and why you shouldn't worry. >> reporter: for 24 hours, these were the side effects she went through after her second pfizer shot. >> a high fever and my bones felt like sandpaper, they were sanding my bones. >> reporter: the infectious disease specialist dr. rutherford said the side eff

brodd. i've never met him. but i've met people who have a similar mind-set. i don't know exactly what's on his mind-set, but i have talked to people who go out of their way to justify what a police officer does. this is not justifiable, period. i think probably if the defense had it to do other again, they may have thought about a different expert witness to come in and testify because he didn't appear to be well prepared in terms of being able to present testimony. i thought the prosecution really pretty much ripped it to shreds on cross-examination, but, again, i think those things like resting comfortably on the pavement, the man died. i mean what does that do to your credibility as a witness in the eyes of a jury? i mean i just don't get it. i really don't understand the strategy. >> so, bakari, what does the jury see there? they had so many witnesses testify in the opposite from the prosecution and then you have this one guy saying day is night and night is day. what's the impact on the jury? >> i agree with chief ramsey here. this expert witness wasn't

it was previously owned by a retired santa rosa police officer, barry brodd, who no longer lives there. he testified in minneapolis as an expert witness. >>> coming up, as i mentioned the "today" show will have much more on the trial. craig melvin will be live from minneapolis, starting at 7:00 a.m., right after "today in the bay," and later this morning, nbc news will bring you the closing arguments live in a special report. >>> still ahead on "today in the bay," the reason a lost hiker in california's troubles seem to be far from over after his miracle rescue. also the questions he's now facing. >>> plus a consumer alert for a popular treadmill. it could pose some serious risk. what you need to know to keep your kids safe and how peloton is responding about this issue this morning. you're watching "today in the bay." >>> good monday morning. it is 4:4237 a live look in dublin, we started out with cool temperature, a clear sky and more sunshine in the forecast today. it's going to be another nice one and you won't have to blast the ac. we're talking about our natural air conditioning

his evidence was contradicted by defence expert barry brodd. i felt that derek chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness, following minneapolis police department policy, in current standards of law enforcement in his interactions with mr floyd. you have to try to see it through the eyes of the officers on the scene. you know, what factors are they dealing with? what circumstances, what was the suspect doing? what were onlookers doing? were there environmental hazards? and then, try to put yourself in the officers' shoes to see if the decisions they made were objectively reasonable or not. with tensions high over the final stages of the trial, there was upset and disbelief when a black teenager was killed here at the brooklyn centre in minneapolis — just under ten miles from the courthouse. once again, the use of force was condemned and a familiar question was asked — would the police have acted the way they did if he had been white? city officials acknowledged the killing of daunte wright couldn't have happened at a wo

they call barry brodd to the stand, a use of force expert and retired police officer. >> i felt that derek chauvin was justified, was acting with objective reasonableness, following minneapolis police department policy and current standards of law enforcement in his interactions with mr. floyd. >> this was not what we heard from the chief of police in minneapolis and those multiple supervising officers, who all said that what chauvin did was uncalled for and was not consistent with their training. >> brodd reviewed all of the evidence. he reached the conclusion that the knee on george floyd was not technically a use of force. >> i don't consider a prone control as a use of force. >> we reviewed chauvin's actions that day with police training expert duane dieter. dieter operates a center that trains law enforcement from all over the country on how and when to use force in close quarters. >> mr. floyd's now in the prone position, and they decided to put him in the prone position. >> in this case, chauvin is applying a technique that is approved by the minneapolis police department. >>

i felt that derek chauvin was justified and was acting with objective reasonableness. >> reporter: brodd said he doesn't consider prone control, the technique used by chauvin, to be a use of force >> it doesn't hurt >> reporter: during cross-examination, the prosecution pounced. >> compliant person would have the hands on the small of their back, resting comfortably. versus like he's still moving around >> did you say resting comfortably? >> laying comfortably. >> attempting to breathe while restrained is being slightly noncompliantd to t >> no. >> reporter: the defense called a retired officer to the stand who arrested floyd in 2019 as seen on this body camera video >> the passenger was unresponsive and non-compliant to my commands. >> reporter: a paramedic later testified about that incident, where floyd said he took multiple opioid pills. >> i asked why, and he said he was addicted. >> reporter: the defense shifted to the night floyd died. shawanda little who was in the suv with floyd said he was alert inside the convenience store but fell asleep in the vehicle before officers arrived

they called one expert witness, barry brodd. he said what chauvin did was acceptable because holding someone down in a prone position is not, quote, use of force. the jury is to take it for whatever it's worth. they're free to believe it or disbelieve it. when the defense is done t prosecution will get a chance to come back and present brief rebuttal testimony. at that point the case will be handed over to the jury. the jury will deliberate in secret. we will not know what they were doing. all we will see is occasional notes that come out to the jury. we'll try to decipher those notes to you. at some point they will come back and deliver its verdict. >> will the jury believe that or believe what the former police chief said, which was this was not acceptable and also violated values as well as actual policy. thank you so much, elie. we have some new cnn reporting that president trump is keeping a very close eye on these proceedings. he's concerned the outcome could spark new racial tensions in a country that's already on edge. c

prosecution rested, and the defense immediately started to build its case calling use of force expert brodd. >> in your opinion, this was a use of deadly snores. >> it was not. police officers don't have to fight fair. they're allowed to overcome your resistance by going up a level. >> reporter: under cross-examination, the prosecution wasted no time questioning brodd's judgment. >> what part of this is not compliant? >> so i see his arm position in the picture that's posted. >> right. >> that a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back and just be resting comfortably versus like he's still moving around. >> did you say resting comfortably? >> reporter: by wednesday, the defense brought inryla'sfohief dr. david fowler, who said floyd's heart suddenly stopped due to hypertension and heart disease. fowler also pushed a new theory. >> there is exposure to a vehicle exhaust, so potentially carbon monoxide poisoning. >> reporter: the prosecution swung back. >> do you agree with me that there was no finding of carbon monoxide poisoning from dr. baker's autopsy review

first time jurors hearing from someone defending derek chauvin's actions, use of force expert barry brodd testifying for the defense saying derek chauvin was justified and pinning floyd by the neck was not use of force. >> why is it not a use of force? >> because that's a control technique. without it -- it doesn't hurt. >> reporter: but on cross-examination the prosecution pushing getting brodd to backtrack. >> if this act that we're looking at here in exhibit 17 could produce pain, would you agree that what we're seeing here is a use of force? >> shown in this picture, that could be a use of force. >> reporter: the prosecutor picking apart his testimony and the notion that floyd was not complying. >> what part of this is not compliant? >> so i see his arm position in the picture that's posted. >> right. >> that, you know, a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back and just be resting comfortably versus like he's still moving around. >> so attempting to breathe while restrained is being slightly noncompliant? >> no. >> reporter: the defense calling six witn

the day concluded with more questions for use of force expert barry brodd. >>> thank you, your honor. let's see if we can skip through some of the video. you would acknowledge you testified about the bystanders who were gathered by. and i think you defined a crowd and the law enforcement as more than two people. >> for the common purpose. >> we've heard three is a crowd, but two people or more, i guess that would be three so that would constitute a crowd but not all are threatening. >> not all crowds, no. >> let's talk about the specific bystanders here. you would agree that at the time of the restraint period began, there were no bystanders, true? >> i think there was one gentle man that was there the whole time. >> are you talking about charles mcmillan. let's take a look at exhibit 49 and officer thao's body worn camera. >> if we could publish that, please. >> i can't breathe. i can't breathe. i can't breathe. >> at that time you see a camera panned out into the street and there was the one gentleman that you referred to. do you appear to hear him say anything, threatening? >> no.

chauvin's defense called its first witnesses, including barry brodd, a former police officer and so-called use-of-force expert who argued chauvin was acting "with objective reasonableness" when he kneeled on george oyd's neck for over nine minutes, leading to his death. new bodycam footage was also shown to the jury of floyd sitting, handcuffed, and giving his name and birth date to minneapolis police officer peter chang, among the first officers to arrive at the scene before chauvin. talks are set to resume in vienna today between the u.s., iran, and other parties to the landmark 2015 nuclear deal, just days after an attack on the natanz nuclear facility in iran. iran blamed the attack on israel, which is staunchly opposed to relaunching the international accord. iran said tuesday it will ramp up its uranium enrichment efforts following the attack. the biden administration is moving ahead with more than $23 billion in weapons sales to the united arab emirates after reviewing a deal made under president trump. the deal includes the sale of lockheed martin f-35 jets and armed drones.cr anti

it was previously owned by a retired santa rosa police officer, barry brodd, who no longer lives there. he testified in minneapolis as an expert witness. >>> coming up on the "today" show, they'll of course have much more on the trial. craig melvin will be live from minneapolis, starting at 7:00 a.m., right after "today in the bay," and later this morning, nbc news will bring you the closing arguments live in a special report. >>> 5:39 this morning. and we're taking a live look out at san jose, downtown looking nice and beautiful this morning, as we get started with this work week. meteorologist kari hall has a look at those temperatures. what can we expect today, kari? hopefully something similar to this weekend. >> hey. yes, it's going to be very nice, just like this weekend but a little bit cooler. we could see from the live shot from san jose sun rising earlier, days are getting longer. let's get you ready for the morning commute in the east bay, with a look at our forecast in martinez. we're starting out with low 50s here. we're going to see a lot of sunshine for today, and look a

and we had one, brodd that gave unreasonable testimony that when someone is prone, can you restrain them however you want. i think the jury will reject that. and then there's medical causation. this is more complicated. this is scientific. there was an imbalance. there was more evidence, substantially more evidence for the prosecution than the defense and areva correctly stated the legal standard. the jury has to find there was some substantial cause. they have to work through science here. these are lay people. that's what juries are. they are normal human beings like all of us. i think they're probably going to be spending a lot of time on that causation issue. >> okay. elie, areva, thank you for standing by. obviously we'll bring the viewers as soon as we get any indication of what's going on in that deliberation room. thank you both. >>> let's take a closer look at what is going on now in minneapolis. leslie redmond, former president of the city's naacp and a founder of group called don't complain, activate. great to have you here. thanks so much. give us a sense of what's happening

. >> the prosecution questioned brodd's judgment on cross-examination. >> which part of this is noncompliant. >> i see his arm position in the picture that was posted that a compliant person would have both their hands in the small of their back and resting comfortably versus he is still moving around. >> think he came off terribly. >> joe tamborin, who is not affiliated with the case saying his testimony lacked empathy. >> the police don't have to fight fair, actually, they do. a jury want to see people on the stand who realize the gravity of the situation regardless if they find that the use of force was reasonable or unreasonable. >> trying to show that floyd was susceptible to stress ask drugs the defense brought out bodycam video of a 2019 traffic stop in which floyd was arrested. the now-retired police officer and a retired paramedic seen on this video testified floyd's blood pressure was high and he admitted to taking opioids that day. >> while we were in the car for the first, like, eight minutes we were talking. >> the defense also called shawanda hill to testify. she was in the suv

vandalized the former home of one of derek chauvin's defense witnesses, former santa rose officer barry brodd recently testified as a use of force expert in chauvin's murder trial. police say early saturday morning someone threw a pig's head at broad's former home and splattered blood on his house. brought hasn't lived at that home in years and no longer even lives in california after targeting the home. police say a large statue in front of the santa rosa plaza mall was also vandalized with animal blood. a developing story in the east bay. police are investigating a fatal shooting in antioch. it happened around 6 o'clock last night on shannondale drive. police say the scene was chaotic when they arrived. so farethey have not released any information on the victim. a motive in the case or details on a suspect. we are staying in contact with any out police and we will bring you updates on air and online once we receive them. >> and we have another big story that we're following this sunday morning as today marks 115 years since the massive 19. '06, earthquake that devastated san francisco kron