matt gaetz says he has never paid for sex, right? but it doesn't get you out of legal jeopardy if your buddy pays for sex and then you pay your buddy the same a. i'm not saying that's what happened here, there seems to be a case if your reporting is true it did. but from a legal exposure standpoint, if someone pays for sex and you pay them, you're not off the hook, correct? >> that's right. that's part of a conspiracy. now, what we have here, and it is worth going through the detail. we got hold of venmo payments. as anybody who uses venmo knows, when you pay anyone anything, you have to explain what that thing is for. we have to ask, why would a sitting congressman be making two payments, one of which says to hit up, it says "hit up" and it mentions are girls name, a name that hours later receives money from that same person who got that money. and so that's what we got here. we got venmo transactions that definitively tie him to them. we have more coming because we don't just have these financial transactions. >> well, what do you

is there exposure for matt gaetz. here is greenberg's attorney after court today. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> there are people who see that as an ominous sign for gaetz. we're not yet reporting anything that confirms some kind of cooperation here. now, if greenberg does cooperate, if he does have evidence of interest to the feds, he could, like anyone else, get a more lenient sentence. he's looking at 12 years in business. all this comes as a new report is breaking first from cbs news and nbc news confirmed that the feds are probing a trip to the bahamas in late 2018 or early 2019. it is relevant to the probe because it involves, quote, women paid to travel for sex, which could violate federal law and whether gaetz or greenberg who was in court today used the internet to search for women they could pay for sex. in addition, the reporting says, quote, gaetz was on that trip with a marijuana entrepreneur. again, gaetz denying all of th

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and trump loyalist, matt gaetz himself. he spoke publicly for the first time since the reports surfaced of an ongoing justice department investigation into sex trafficking, involving a minor and allegations of payments for sex and possible public corruption involving a state senate campaign. gaetz took to the stage at a save america summit hosted by women for america first at the trump doral hotel. >> i am built for the battle and i am not going anywhere. distortions of my personal life and wild, and i mean wild conspiracy theories. i won't be intimidated by a lying media and d.o.j. officials and the crooks he is working with. when you see the leaks, lies, falsehoods, anonymous sources and insiders forecasting my demise. know this, they are not really coming for me. they are coming for you. >> earlier today the house ethics committee announced their own investigation into gaetz for sexual misconduct and his office responded with this statement. once again the office will reiterate, these allegations are blatantly false and

matt gaetz was saying on fox president trump should pardon everyone. he was just saying, you know, he should pardon himself. donald trump should pardon himself he was saying. by the way, he was saying it on november 24th, which is odd. it is the type of thing that you say when you know that the trump presidency is all over, and at the same time fox was covering the ongoing trump re-election campaign which was supposed to change the outcome of the electoral college and all sorts of other things. >> he was the loudest person of them all, trumpeting that trump was going to have a second term and definitely be re-elected and the purported election results were rigged. it was weird at the time that he was like and i need a pardon right now. if you think your man is going to get a second term, no rush if you haven't done anything wrong. so, there was something wrong and self-defeating about the timing of it then and now maybe we know. we know. >> matt gaetz in a statement promised us yesterday that there would be more leaks coming. and he is right i am sure

to matt gaetz with fair election claims. they are begging the trump presidency for a pardon for himself. >> let's start with the obvious observation, lawrence. you don't ask for a presidential pardon unless you've committed crimes, unless you need a presidential pardon. but it's nice to actually have some supreme court precedent to look to to put this into context. more than 100 years ago, 1915, there was a case called the united states against george burdick, and president woodrow wilson issued george burdick a pardon. george said, i don't want one because i don't believe i committed a crime. the supreme court said, a pardon carries with it an imputation of guilt, and if you accept a pardon, that is virtually a confession of guilt. so if we extend the supreme court rationale to matt gaetz, what does it mean when you request a pardon, when you speak out a pardon? it obviously, if you apply the same rationale, has an amputation of guilt and could be viewed as a confession of guilt. >> the "times" is reporting that matt gaetz

before you go, i want to talk about matt gaetz. republican sp are for matt gaetz has been practically non-existent. republican adam kinzinger calling for him to resign. read the tea leaves here. how long can he hang on? >> i mean, i think the republicans -- we had a president that, what was it, 26 or 27 women had valid allegations of sexual harassment or sexual abuse against the president and he got nominate and he almost won a second term? i think the only way it keeps going -- the only way it stops and matt gaetz ultimately resigns or is removed from the house is if the criminal prosecution of matt gaetz proceeds. he is not going to resign because of how the republican party has supported people that are basically neanderthals throughout this whole thing. it's going to take a criminal prosecution in order to get matt gaetz to be removed from the house, in my view. >> math yeah dowd, thank you, sir. always a pleasure. >> thanks, don. >>> the feds now investigating whether women were paid to travel to the bahamas for sex with congr

greenberg is a close associate of matt gaetz, his wingman in fact. indeed the investigation into gaetz for potential sex trafficking was launched out of the investigation into greenberg, who among other charges has been indicted on a count of sex trafficking an underage girl. investigators are also looking into whether gaetz and greenberg used the internet to search for women they could pay for sex. greenberg has until may 15th to enter a plea, but it raises the prospect that he could cooperate as a witness against gaetz. here's greenberg's lawyer outside the courthouse today. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> does matt gaetz -- that is such a broad -- >> when it comes to what happened today in court? >> i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> listen to old mattie boy. there are no friends in politics. meanwhile gaetz who has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, released a statement today entitled, breaking, the women of u.s. congressman matt gaetz's office speak out in defense of representative gaetz. quote, on e

matt gaetz has never been on any such websites whatsoever. matt gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life. for the latest on the gaetz story, i want to bring in jose pal area ree, political investigations reporter at the daily beast who has amazing reporting on the text messages that pointed the feds towards matt gaetz. jose, thanks for coming on the show. what are these texts you got that connect the feds to joel greenberg to matt gaetz? >> well, these text messages are pretty astounding. there are two sets of text messages that we were able to get ahold of, and what they say essentially is that a politician that most of the country otherwise would never have heard of joel gaetz, tax collector in florida, that this local politician had a relationship with matt gaetz and by all accounts was bringing him into the office late at night on a weekend to look at i.d.s that now -- i.d.s that were being fabricated, and in another instance was actually calling in a favor trying to get matt gaetz a

matt gaetz? >> maybe it's not so bad for matt gaetz. maybe these guys were out to get him. maybe that's as big a part of this as anything else. >> we weren't out to get matt gaetz. we were out to rescue bob levinson. >> there was no attempt to extort, no threat, no demand. >> no threats, no demands. the opposite. when i left, the last thing i told don gaetz is you'll never hear from me again. i'm not a threat to you or your son. i'm not going to talk to the press, i'm not going to say a bad word about him. i thank him for his time. the next day, he sent me a text. offering to have his son contact the president. i texted back, no thank you. and a week later, he was calling up to meet with david mcgee. >> have the federal authorities told you don't leave town, asked you to surrender your passport, told you to stay in contact with them on any kind of regular basis? >> no. >> do you anticipate any problems coming your way because of your dealings with the gaetz family? >> i do not. >> other than having to come on a show like this. bob kent, i understand and i appreciate you tak

matt gaetz, you know, he took calls from donald trump. he would call in nightclubs, on his car, sleeping. the relationship went from there. gaetz is someone that rode maga world for all that it was worth. >> stephanie for those in washington not thinking about matt gaetz or thinking about the infrastructure bill, the president is working to win over lawmakers on this. democrats and republicans supported infrastructure in the past. we recognize the investment will require concessions on both sides. we are supportive of a rise in the corporate tax rate. what do you make of that warm hug from amazon? >> i think there is some level of rock on with your bad self. one way they are look to pay for the plan is by raising corporate taxes. we are hearing push backs from multinational companies and the business roundtable. that pushed janet yellen to push the idea of a global minimum tax rate saying stop the race to the bottom where companies are looking for headquarters in lower taxed countries and in this race to the bottom for cheaper labor. jane

matt gaetz has never paid for sex. matt gaetz refutes all of the disgusting allegations completely. matt gaetz has never, ever been on any such websites whatsoever. matt gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life. >> he has never explained the payments only saying he never paid for sex. another interesting allegation that came up in our reporting and also in cnn's reporting was the use of drugs in these encounters. so what we know is that women have told the fbi that gaetz and his -- and greenberg, they took drugs with them before having sex and that was very common in a lot of these encounters. again, i think that the prosecutors will look at that evidence, if they are able to corroborate it, and they will say to themselves, what is this? is this a federal crime? what does this contribute to in terms of our ability or not to charge. >> again, this comes from one of ex-president trump's strongest defenders. talk about a swamp. thank you very much for all your reporting. >>> now on to the political fallout from this gaetz scandal.

matt gaetz here is a subject of a criminal investigation with very serious allegations. these are completely not compable and matt gaetz is sitting on the oversight committee of the justice department that's investigating him. >> so, you've laid it out pretty clearly. do you think your republican colleagues understand the two differences there, between these two cases? >> oh, absolutely. they understand. they're just being completely hypocritical but not removing matt gaetz from the house judiciary committee >> let's switch gears here and talk about a sensitive topic, that being the rise in asian-american attacks in this country. you're well aware of the horrific attack in new york city. a 65-year-old asian woman being knocked to the ground, beaten, kicked as her attacker was making anti-asian statements. staff members, though, the position from which we are seeing this incident, staff members inside that building did nothing. in fact, one actually closed the door as she was struggling to get up afterwards. how do you account for this? how do you account for people just

to destroy matt gaetz, with a lot of help from matt gaetz. >> i think back to nancy pelosi and the way she just threw anthony weiner out of the house of representatives. no investigation, no hearing. took about ten days. there were a couple of things that happened on twitter with anthony weiner, the photographs, and she brought him in and said, anthony, go home. because this party, this house of representatives, this nancy pelosi, i am not going to suffer another story with my name in an article with anthony weiner again. you are gone. the republican party and kevin mccarthy don't seem to have the same fear of association. >> or they fear -- or -- or they fear their association with matt gaetz. it has also been reported -- first of all, the republicans always have a lower standard of behavior for their members of congress than the democrats never do. that's -- that is a very old story. but i do wonder, it has been reported that gaetz was showing photos of perhaps underaged women on the house floor to his colleagues. and if they throw matt gaetz out he could -- he has the potential to d

and he knows a lot about matt gaetz. according to sources we talked to, the two were involved in a number of instances where fwreenberg helped arranged for women to travel to have sex with congressman gaetz. so the idea that greenberg, according to his lawyer, is working on making a plea agreement with the government and perhaps, perhaps -- we don't know for sure but perhaps might be able to tell the government more about what he knows, that raises a lot of questions. here is greenberg's lawyer addressing that. >> i think that mr. greenberg accepts a plea or plea agreement that it will show a sense of remorse, which he does have, a sense of acceptance of responsibility. number two, i think he's uniquely situated. i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> and i think that's an understatement, wolf, with that development as you heard. look, i think it's very common when you make a plea agreement that the government expect you to provide some cooperation in exchange for agreeing -- for supporting perhaps

people like matt gaetz. people like maybe even roger stone who is on our screen right now, but joel greenberg has had an involvement with matt gaetz that has been corroborated through flights records, through things like venmo transactions. i mean, these are objective things and evidence that prosecutors can look at for purposes of being able to bring a case. and you know what's kind of outrageous, too, is the fact that matt gaetz remains on the house judiciary committee while all of this is going on, but unfortunately for somebody like matt gaetz, in the event he is indicted, his jury will not be women for america first who he spoke to yesterday in florida. >> just want to be clear here, nbc has not yet confirmed those venmo payments that katie just spoke of. so i want to be sure there's no miscommunication on that. let's talk about the legal strategy, it seems, that gaetz has taken. michael cohen of all people criticizing on my colleague's show last night the legal strategy that gaetz has taken. let's take

and that is the theme of matt gaetz' response. tell the voters i am going to be fine but they are going to destroy you. you can see after how badly it went that he would have keep writing the op-ed. i don't think this is the last time we will hear from him. >> i remind people, you are trained as a lawyer. this is just weird whether it is defiance or the death of shame. there is an investigation and something there or there isn't. >> he believes so anyway. if i were a defense attorney and he were my client i would advise him to say nothing. anything he says can and will be held against him. what you see here is a through line which i think begins in the locker room talk. the infamous statement by donald trump was dismissed as locker room talk. you stand by, deny and then you can just push your way through and try to withstand the political fall out. that is what you are seeing matt gaetz doing even though donald trump himself is not defending him here. it really -- i mean there was a time not very long ago that it would have ended

matt gaetz is a jerk. he has done nothing since he has been in washington except make a name for himself as a big mouth and a rabble-rouser. he calls himself a firebrand. you had him on your book tv a few weeks ago trying to push his book and he sounded so sweet and nice and was totally different from anything he appears when he is at work. i have watched him in these hearings and he makes an ass out of himself. host: we go to amy calling from orange park, florida on the democratic line. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead, amy. caller: good morning. yes, i really agree with the previous callers who are questioning why are the republicans circling the wagons around matt gaetz? they are really only hurting themselves and it seems like -- like he said, he is in the maga sphere and taking the donald trump approach by dealing with the scandal with upholding rallies. if the republicans want to circle the wagons around him like they did around donald trump, they are going to suffer the consequence

like matt gaetz paid for sex, matt gaetz. said stephen colbert! and reporters for "the new york times" have seen receipts to these women from cash app, and apple pay. how dumb is matt gaetz? (as gaetz) "dude, dude, don't leave a paper trail. use the cash app, that way it all goes up in the cloud! that way, when it rains evidence disappears! pretty sure that's how it works." gaetz didn't keep his pervy behavior secret. allegedly, he showed his republican colleagues photos and videos of nude women he said he had slept with while on the house floor. remember: this is where he works. you know those mandatory sexual harassment trainings your office holds where the examples they give are all so outrageous, you're like "who is this possibly for?" it's for matt gaetz. gaetz also reportedly boasted of his "access to women." who says "access" to women? they're humans, not the united airlines premiere club. gaetz's reputation for creep goes all the way back to his days in the florida legislature, where he allegedly created a "game where

"not much, just hung out," said matt gaetz before anyone could talkn matt gaetz used the cash transfer app venmo to send an accus "tuition and school," which is a pretty weak attempt to cover your tracks. that's like leaving your wallet at a crime scene but wiping your finger prints off it the house ethics committee announced friday it will launch an investigation into republican congressman matt gaetz over allegations that he, quote, "may have engaged in sexual misconduct, and/or elicit drug use, shared inappropriate images or videos on the house floor, misused state identification records, converted campaign funds to personal use and/or accepted a bribe, improper gratuity or impermissible gift." or as republicans call it, "running for re-election." new york city mayoral candidate andrew yang marked national pet day yesterday by tweeting that his family had to give away their dog after one of his sons became allergic. whoa, i can't wait to see what he posts for mother's day. [ light laughter ] he's the new scollins. he's ruining days. [ light laughter ] two weeks off, i felt like days

gaetz, but i will. >> tonight the latest on the allegations against gop congressman matt gaetz and the justice department sex trafficking investigation. >>> then -- an emotional day in court as witnesses recount what happened to george floyd after derek chauvin pinned him down. >> george was motionless, limp, and chauvin seemed very -- he was in a resting state meaning like he just rested his knee on his neck >>> then as covid cases surge in wisconsin, republicans shot down the governor's mask mandate while in pennsylvania infrastructure week finally arrives. >> it's big, yes it's bold, yes and we can get it done >> when "all in" starts now. good evening from washington, d.c. i'm medhi hassan in for chris hayes. if you've been following the news today you've probably heard a lot about the justice department investigation into republican congressman matt gaetz into potential sex trafficking tied to an alleged sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl, which gaetz denies there have been a lot of crazy developments in this story since we first reported on it last night, and we're going

. >>> then fallout for congressman matt gaetz. doj investigators are investigating whether he had a sexual relationship with 17-year-old girl, he denies wrongdoing adding that folks won't be surprised bizarre claims are made about me after i decided to take on most powerful institutions in the beltway, establishment, the fbi, the biden justice department, cheney political dynasty and the justice department under trump. he's not resigning. president biden is upping the pressure for his infrastructure package, some in his party pushing back. senator joe manchin said would not support corporate tax rate going up to, should be 25%. it's being hit from all sides. proposal has been panned by republicans for significantly raising corporate tax rates and denounced by some liberals as insufficient for the scale of the problem posed by climate change. earlier today biden was asked about his infrastructure plan. >> i'm going to push as hard as i can to change the circumstances so we can compete with the rest of the world. compete with the re

trump as well, and matt gaetz. >> no. and, first of all, ali, sage advice when it comes to public versus private venmo accounts. this is not a surprising take from congressman kinzinger who has been one of the few republicans to sort of break with president trump and former president trump and his disciples of which congressman gaetz is certainly one of the more ardent ones where he's really patented himself as an heir to the trump throne. kinzinger has founded a group to try to unseat these republicans and replace them with more moderate members, ones willing to occasionally work across the aisle with democrats. but so far his voice is fairly lonely. gaetz, of course, as you noted is going to be in florida this week at president trump's former club and also this weekend there's a gathering of top republicans at, where else, palm beach, florida, just up the road from mar-a-lago, the former president's estate, and there is expected to be an event there, which underscores what a shadow he still casts over the republican par

"matt gaetz, loyal for years to trump is said to have sought a blanket pardon. and that is not the kind of pardon that you need for your blanket. what this means is that he was asking for a pardon for himself for things for which he has not yet charged. this is the latest development in a bizarre and a stomach-churning story that we have been covering for about a week. matt gaetz is a republican congressman from florida as the headline alludes to and one of the most stanch and flamboyant defenders of former president donald trump. it was first reported last week in the "new york times" by york times" that matt gaetz is currently under federal criminal investigation for allegations of alleged sex trafficking of an underage girl. now, this is an investigation that started during the trump administration when bill barr was running the justice department. bill barr, as attorney general, was himself reportedly personally briefed on the matt gaetz investigation on multiple occasions. the federal investigation into congressman gaetz is reportedly examining, among other

there is breaking news about trump act lite matt gaetz. now under investigation for possible sex trafficking. tonight "the new york times" reveals gaetz was looking to get a blanket pardon from president trump. quote, in the final weeks of president trump's term, he asked the white house for blanket preemptive pardons for himself and unidentified congressional allies for any crimes they may have committed. justice department investigators had begun questioning mr. gaetz's associates about his conduct, including whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old that violated sex trafficking laws. mr. gaetz did not tell white house aides he was under investigation for potential sex trafficking violations when he made the request. aides told mr. trump of the request, though, it's unclear whether mr. gaetz discussed the matter directly with the president. the "times" add the white house quickly rejected gates and a spokesman said gaetz did not question a pardon yet in the final weeks of trump presidency, this florida congressman did make

from congressman matt gaetz's deepening problems. and president biden's executive actions on guns being followed by, yet another, mass shooting. matthew dodd is here. let's discuss with him. he is the former chief strategist for president george w. bush. matthew, thank you. good to see you. and, man, boy, we got a lot to talk about. so, you are in texas, where there has been another, horrific, mass shooting. just hours after president joe biden called gun violence an epidemic and an embarrassment. texas governor there, greg abbott, tweeting just-hours after biden's announcement today, calling it a liberal-power grab to take away our guns. he went straight for the knee-jerk, political reaction, didn't he? >> yeah. and -- and what makes it even crazier, don, is on the same day that happens, a tragedy, and again, more gun tragedy in texas. the house republicans and the committee passed voting restrictions, today. so, while, on one hand, we're sort of advocating ease of -- ease of access to guns. on the other hand, we're creating restric

that new witness could be matt gaetz's friend, joel greenberg. he currently faces 12 years in prison for charges of sex trafficking of a minor as well as stalking and bribery and defrauding the pandemic related paycheck protection program. during a procedural hearing today in the case against him blasted only six minutes, lawyers for greenberg and the federal government said they expect the case to resolve with a plea. here is what joel greenberg's attorney said outside the courthouse today in florida. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> it comes from what happens today in court. >> does he have anything to worry about? >> well, from your mind? >> based on what your client does. >> i kept if i kept on talking and talking, i would avoid these questions and not to say -- i am sure matt gaetz is not feeling comfortable today. >> yes, it was a strange camera angle. joel greenberg did not say whether his clients provided information about matt gaetz to prosecutors. greenberg is unique any positioned to do that. the new york times repor

watch. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> does matt gaetz -- that is such a -- >> when it comes to what happened today in court. >> does he have anything to worry about? you're asking me to get into the mind of matt gaetz, right? >> well, from your mind? >> from my mind. >> based on what your client knows. >> based on what my client nose. >> and the fact that -- >> see, if i kept on talking and talking, i could avoid these questions. i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. >> did you catch that? that was fritz scheller, the lawyer for former tax collector from seminole county, florida, a man named joel greenberg. mr. greenberg was arrested last year on a slew of criminal charges ranging from stalking to bribery to sex trafficking of a minor, and it was out of that sex trafficking investigation into a florida tax collector that the matt gaetz investigation we know about today was born. it was first reported by "the new york times" last week that congressman gaetz is currently under federal criminal invest

. >>> as matt gaetz clings to seat, how did the bar get set so low? >> get out and vote for roy moore. >>> plus mitch mcconnell's revision of new anticorporate stance. >> my advice is stay out of politics. >> i'm not talking about political contributions. >>> interview on the push to vaccinate the world and big announcement about vaccinations at home. >> no more confusing rules and restrictions. >> "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. major league baseball all-star game has found a new home and republicans are very angry. mlb moving game from atlanta to denver in response to georgia republicans passing and signing into law new restrictive voter access law. republicans promptly responded with the extended performative whining that's become a central hallmark of modern conservative politics. >> do you believe major league baseball will live to regret this decision? >> yeah, i think they will. almost comical, people here and all over the country have figured this out, they're outraged and sick and tired of cancel co

i mean, it would be impossible to even draw a political cartoon about matt gaetz, because matt gaetz already looks like a political cartoon. "i don't know. i guess i'll make his head look smaller? i mean, look at that thing based on that noggin, you'd expect his mouth to move like a "south park" character >> oh, hamburgers. [ light laughter ] >> seth: by the way, he'd be a good substitute if mr. met ever calls in sick. gaetz repeatedly claimed there was fraud even after admitting he didn't have any proof and that the trump campaign couldn't produce any proof. >> i think the justice department has a lot of egg on their face for having not discovered a lot of this fraud as it was occurring. david, as you know, this is very hard to find, prove and obtain relief on after the fact because so many of the ballots get co-mingled >> seth: so, according to gaetz, the fact that you can't prove there was fraud proves there was fraud. that's the same argument with your college roommate made to prove aliens built the pyramids. "if aliens are advanced to build pyramids, then they'd be advanced enou

watch. >> does matt gaetz have anything to worry about? >> does matt gaetz -- that is such a -- >> when it comes to what happened today in court. >> does he have anything to

matt gaetz seems to me to be on a smaller and smaller island. donald trump isn't there to save him and it seems like he did have a lot of haters inside trump world who were rolling their eyes before and are now snickering at him and he went up against liz cheney who's still in republican leadership and he's sailing out to sea. where does he stand, as far as you know, politically? >> he's told his friends that he's in the minority of the minority. he didn't come to congress as the former congressman and his colleague can tell you to make friends and matt gaetz quickly decided that he wasn't going to have a lot of influence doing policy and legislating, he was going to be trump's number one guy on fox news. well, now that trump is gone, and now that republicans are in the minority of the house, and now that he's gone after folks like liz cheney and torched a lot of people, again, you feel like he's in the minority of the minority. he was looking at an exit plan to get out. now all of these legal problems and allegations that he's facing probably m

it was not an investigation into matt gaetz. they simply followed the trail, peeled back the onion and over time these allegations surfaced. again, they have not been proven but as more and more information comes out, they may get close tore a situation where they will have enough to raise probably cause and have an indictment. i imagine as more of that comes out, we might have even more allegations, more nefariousness that will come to light. again, they're just doing the work right now, really peeling back all of the layers here, and it seems like there is a lot here to uncover. >> michelle, i have one more question for you. are you ready? >> okay. i'm ready. >> here we go. this is the newest thing where i ask about the next thing that's going to happen. what should we expect from congressman gaetz when he breaks his silence at this women for america event at the trump hotel tonight? >> i'm sure you're going to hear the word deep state, cancel culture or at least i would bet money that you would hear deep state, cancel culture

matt gaetz came in because devin nunes has fallen off. when he falls off, it will be marjorie taylor greene. somebody is always lined up to be the next fox news, newsmax star of the republican party. >> do you think this will have an impact on him? will he lose his job? >> i think he's eventually going to resign. i don't think he'll be able to run again, because somebody will probably primary him by next year. but in a year and a half, he'll have a job, he'll be on youtube, he'll have a podcast. because there is no shame anymore, he'll claim the deep state framed him, and i'm waiting for the matt gaetz show to begin sometime in the spring of 2023. >> ugh. >> jason, bill, great to see you on a friday night. i don't know if bill will be able to go to bed tonight. but anyway, thanks to both of you. >>> coming up, we'll talk to one of my msnbc colleagues about a particularly tense time in the asian-american community, when "the 11th hour" continues. he 11. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what

>> discuss matt gaetz -- that is such a -- does he have anything to worry about? you are asking me to get into the mind of that case? >> reporter: from your mind? >> from my mind? >> based on what your client has. >> based on what my client has? i thought if i kept on talking, i could avoid this question. i have to say i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable. >> yes, it was a strange camera angle for a very strange sounding lawyer. joel greenberg's lawyer did not say whether his client provided information about matt gaetz to federal prosecutors. he said joel greenberg is uniquely positioned, that was his phrase, to do that the "new york times" says they have known him since 2017 when he began serving in congress could provide prosecutors with a witness who has a deep knowledge of mr. gaetz' dealing and how they paid women and bought and used drugs like ecstasy. congressman gaetz has denied that he violated any laws. joining us now is andrew weissman, former general counsel and member of the mueller investigation. he is now an msnbc analyst. andrew, yo

there are no people willing to defend matt gaetz. and so, you know, i'm glad you covered the federal investigation angle of this, but there's an ethics investigation that is going to look at all kinds of things. having a damning ethics report, he doesn't have to engage in illegal activity. they're looking at sexual misconduct, possible drug use, campaign finance violations. normally it's pretty hard to get an ethics committee investigation to stick because the house ethics committee doesn't have subpoena power. but in this case, what you may have are a lot of people who witnessed bad behavior by matt gaetz who are willing to talk. i mean, we've seen the news reports as reported by cnn that he was flashing nude pictures in the house floor of women. if members of congress are willing to talk to the media about that, i think they need to talk to the house ethics committee because i'm sure sure there are other staffers who saw that as well that did indeed take place. so this can go a lot of different directions, but matt gaetz doesn't ha

there's new a lawsuit against matt gaetz, the person matt gaetz worships in word and in deed, donald trump. two police officers have sued donald trump for sparking the january 6th attack in which the officer says he was slammed into a stone column while rioters hurled the n-word at him. one officer said he suffered injuries that required ongoing care. he lost count of how many times he was called the n-word. how much trouble might donald trump be in on that? he is now the target directly of a lawsuit about that insurrection. >> this reads like a straight-faced lawsuit. i found it very emotional, frankly, that the officers who are suing for both physical damage, injuries, and emotional damage, they said not only were they haunted because they were being physically attacked by the crowd, but they said they were haunted because they saw their fellow officers, literally arm's reach away, being attacked by the crowd and there was nothing they could do to protect them. when donald trump making public statements about, well, they were just hugging and kissing, when in fact they were hanging

it's not a family brand from matt gaetz's point. >> reporter: matt gaetz grew up in this house, used to film the movie "the truman show." >> in the mid '90s, one day some producer just shows up in a golf cart and tells my mother they want to make a movie in this house starring jim carrey. >> reporter: his mother is partially paralyzed after suffering complications while pregnant with his sister and opted not to terminate the pregnancy. the congressman said that's contributed to his anti-abortion stance. last year, the congressman announced he has a secret known biological 19-year-old son that he's been parents for years. >> i just couldn't be happier and prouder of the young man he's become. >> reporter: and, again, the fbi is investigating a potential extortion crime, but that is not specifically related to the other investigation and two sources tell cnn there is a separate federal probe looking into whether gaetz had a relationship with a minor, whether his involvement with other minors broke sex trafficking laws, prostitution laws. and gaetz's lawyer declined comment for this sto

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have a no denial denial from congressman matt gaetz. today congressman gaetz issued the old what washington used to call the nondenial defile saying our office does not have a statement at this time. we do request everyone to update their stories with the full statement from president donald trump. we will now update our story with that full statement from donald trump. congressman matt gate has never asked me for a pardon. it mst also be remembered that he had totally denied the accusations against him. but "the new york times" never said that matt gaetz asked donald trump directly for a pardon and matt gaetz still has not denied what "the new york times" reported about asking the white house for a pre-emptive pardon for himself and other members of congress. tonight nbc news confirmed a report earlier tonight from cbs news. cbs news reported federal investigators are looking into what a bahamas trip matt gaetz allegedly took in 2018 or early 2019 as whether he vie lated sex trafficking laws. gaetz was on that trip with a marijuana ent

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and donald trump takes matt gaetz's call. when matt gaetz wanted to have a pardon for roger stone, he talked to the president directly about it. matt gaetz is not going to former white house staff and trump staff to get an appointment with donald trump. if he wants an appointment with donald trump, he'll call him up. i find it doubtful that gaetz asked the white house staff to be pardoned and i found it doubtful he went to the mar-a-lago staff that said, hey, you people who hate me, can you help me see the president? i think gaetz realizes he's a bit toxic right now. >> briefly, mark, it sounds like shade or not, it sounds like you are questioning the premise of some of those reports that put their stock, including new york times on staff-level conversations because you are saying in your reporting that's not the nature of the relationship between these two individuals. >> i'm doubting the honesty of the sources of the people that hate matt gaetz. as we have seen over the years a lot of people who surround the president lie.

sex trafficking investigation into matt gaetz. he says the allegations are invented and he suggests that they're tied to an extortion scheme which is now being investigated but it's important to note that these are two separate investigations they're not necessarily even connected. even if gaetz wants you to think that they are. last night the congressman went on fox news to give his side of the story. an interview he didn't likely see because you were watching "all in" at the time gaetz no doubt expected friendly treatment from that network. that's what fox news gives to almost all republicans he might have gotten it had he not attempted to throw the host of the show he was on and the host's wife under the bus. >> i'm not the only person on screen right now who has been falsely accused of a terrible sex act. you were accused of something that you did not do and so you know what this feels like. i can say that actually you and i went to dinner about two years ago, your wife was there and i brought a friend of mine you'll remember

matt gaetz has never paid for sex. matt gaetz refutes all of the disgusting allegations completely. matt gaetz has never, ever been on any such websites whatever. allegedly there are websites where you can pay women to go on dates with you. matt gaetz cherishes the relationships in his past and looks forward to marrying the love of his life. that's -- i believe he's engaged. one of the things i've heard in congress is, well, you know what, if this gets bad, it might go to the ethics committee. no, if this goes barksdd, he's looking at what? >> the ethics committee is the least of his worries. child sex trafficking, trafficking a person under the age of 18 across a state line for sexual purposes has a ten-year mandatory minimum. i.d. theft, which is another allegation. that he was involved with this guy greenburg and using people's driver's licenses and personal identifying information. that's a two-year mandatory minimum. deadly serious penalties. another important point here. matt gaetz will not have the ability to claim this was a politically motivated witch hunt because important